You guys have got to read this. This HAS to be the Largest Bear ever recorded in World History :eek:

http://mountainsurvival.com/news_articles/bearattack.html

IF this is true then it would be the size of the ancient bears. This guy must not have been a very skillfull hunter most hunters know you don't shot a bear in the head, unless you want to piss it off.

To go along with this, on the news this morning they said they may let folks hunt grizzly in the mid west agian. I quess it is time for humans to play God. We almost kill off these creatures, protect them, then when WE feel there are more then needed, lets shoot.

Originally posted by mad dog
To go along with this, on the news this morning they said they may let folks hunt grizzly in the mid west agian. I quess it is time for humans to play God. We almost kill off these creatures, protect them, then when WE feel there are more then needed, lets shoot.

Sounds good to me.

There are more deer in the U.S. than when the Pilgrims landed and I'm going to try to shoot one when the deer season opens this Saturday.

If God didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

Good luck. Just remember to shoot that deer instead of hitting it with your car.

Originally posted by Frogger
Sounds good to me.

so it sounds good that humans know which creatures should live and which shouldn't. If it is a matter of what creature is the most destructive then maybe we should have open season on humans ;)

There are more deer in the U.S. than when the Pilgrims landed

I have heard this line of BS before, I would like to see the actual count from back then. This is false info given to try and keep the wacko's{peta etc} off hunters backs. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

and I'm going to try to shoot one when the deer season opens this Saturday.

I love venison, season has been open up here for awhile but haven't seen hardly any.

If God didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

I see nothing wrong with killing an animal for food, as long as it isn't humans playing God or for a trophy to hang on the wall. I am a hunter{includes fishing} have been for 30+ years but it does make me sick the way these shows are trying to make people go. God gave us the animals to use not abuse

Originally posted by Imagineer
Good luck. Just remember to shoot that deer instead of hitting it with your car.
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Saw on t.v., statistics that said 4000 cars per day hit deer in U.S.

AHHHHHHHH...must breathe...different beliefs....different beliefs...

I don't believe in shooting animals of any kind. I don't believe in guns of any kind. I don't like violence.
But it is there. And I have to deal with it.

I am a wacko(member of PETA) and a crazy person(VP of my school's Animal Rights Club). And I don't like hunting...go to the PETA website. Its informative.

But anyway, I just don't see how killing another creature is fun? Explain.

Originally posted by MotherKali
I don't believe in shooting animals of any kind. I don't believe in guns of any kind. I don't like violence.
But it is there. And I have to deal with it.

Killing an animal is called survival not violence. Humans are meat eaters whether you eat meat or not that is your choice. Killing veggys is horrible for those little living critters. 1st you plant them in an area give them no freedom even control how they breed then you cut them off at the legs and eat them raw or cook them while there alive ;)

guns are not violent people are. I have owned guns for all of my life and never have used them in a violent way. I kill what I eat in the fastest way possible and give thanks for that food.

I am a wacko(member of PETA) and a crazy person(VP of my school's Animal Rights Club). And I don't like hunting...go to the PETA website. Its informative.

I have gone to PETA websites and they are full of sh** they don't have a clue. Infact I had seen a discussion about how all animal shelters should just open their doors and let all the animals run free. breed even more unhealthy dogs cats etc... that no one wants. With that said I do believe in animal rights everything needs a balance and animals should not be abused.

But anyway, I just don't see how killing another creature is fun? Explain.

I will try, I don't enjoy the kill I enjoy the hunt but the kill itself is sad. I do enjoy a full belly of real meat that is not full of chemicals. Nature is the circle of life cow eats grass, hunter eats cow, maggets critters etc eat hunter. then it all starts again. It is also a fact that meat has helped in our brain growth.

There are extremes on both sides belonging to either of them is worse then the cause itself. Kind of like the guy that doesn't believe in war so he throws a rock at those that do. Animal rights is honorable, PETA is a joke and a wacko extreme that gets nothing done except force good hunters to become bad. You can help stop the {b]abuse[/b] of animals with out becomming one aka "PETA"

Originally posted by MotherKali
I don't believe in shooting animals of any kind. I don't believe in guns of any kind. I don't like violence.

Given the choice, most people would probably prefer to not have violence...you're not alone.
You just seem to take it to an extreme, there is nothing wrong with feasting on animals, the world is ours and animals are a resource. Now, we still must protect our enviroment and be safe, and try to live in as much peace and inaction against nature as possible, but there is nothing necessarily wrong with using animals for our food or supply source.

Also touch on human behavior, we are still primative creatures that have to give in to some natural instincts, just like the rest of the animal kingdom...we do get violent. Our ability to make tools, build things, make conscience decisions not guided by inherent traits, just makes things worse when we develop guns.
Someone can own a gun for years and never use it, they only own it to protect their family...whether a burglar, bear, IRS agent, or otherwise. Guns aren't bad, they can be, but they can also be good, it all depends on the human using them.

I am a wacko(member of PETA) and a crazy person(VP of my school's Animal Rights Club). And I don't like hunting...go to the PETA website. Its informative.

http://liberalscum.com/images/welovepeta040404.jpg

But anyway, I just don't see how killing another creature is fun? Explain.

Some people find joy in the hunt, maybe a few actually enjoy killing the animal. But it serves as a hobby, I don't exactly enjoy playing baseball, still it serves as much entertainment for sports fans to play and watch.

Now, hunting in modern times is a bit pointless...here in America there are many delis, grocers, and butchers that carry that meat for you, there is no reason to go out shooting animals. But for the thrill of the hunt, and maybe a craving for something untouched and natural...it can be justified in a way.
Unless the hunter actually uses the animal, food or supplies or otherwise, i see little point in harming the creature and do indeed label it as wrong to kill without purpose.

We are omnivores for a reason, we need to eat animals to get a balanced diet. In modern society developments have been made, such as tofu, to change the diet. That is all well and good, but we shouldn't all have to convert just yet though.

And what of plants, they are alive, they are still creatures of nature. You may say they can't feel pain, so it is different. You may
say they don't think, so it is different. You're still harming a living creature, animals don't think, animals can feel pain--but if we must kill them we should do it in the most "humane" way. If you argue against killing animals, why not against the killing of plants? Shouldn't we all just eat rocks and leave organic organisms alone?

Let's get one thing straight, animals have no rights. People do. Now, i wish that no harm would come to these animals unnecessarily, but that doesn't mean they deserve the same treatment as humans. We are the top of the animal kingdom, we are humans, and we are above the animals. To survive in this enviroment we need them, and so should support their growth and development, and be careful not to obstruct habitats, breeding grounds, etc...because we have the ability to build and live elsewhere...for the animals, that is different--so we need protect them as best we can in order to protect ourselves as well. Animals have no rights, if Farmer John kills his cow Bessie because she stopped giving milk and he needs meat to sell...there is nothing wrong with him having to kill the poor creature. I'd prefer quick, as-painless-as-possible treatment to make the animal pass, but it is not a violation "of their rights".

Love the pic, Evak. :D

I suppose I understand a bit more...its like playing paintball...its the thrill and the rush. It also has to do with primordial urges. And if i lived in the back country(50 miles south of where i live now) I would probably hunt if that was my way of getting food.
guns are not violent people are.
And guns were made by humans, but i understand your point.

I personally still don't totally understand, but I'm just weird like that. And I enjoy being an extremist.
(Y'all know my views on animal's rights and eating meat- i won't go into that):)

I don't exactly enjoy knowing that people have to destroy animals lives for entertainment and can't do something else as a means to calm their urges...but some do, that stands and I must accept that.
Prae is pretty articulate and is somewhat of an avid hunter...i believe he can offer an in-depth explanation of this sport.

I think PETA is kind of, well, extreme (understatement of the year, ladies and gentlemen), and it really bothers me that they seem to put the lives of animals above those of human beings. Like Lister said in an episode of Red Dwarf: "I have a few qualities that elevate me above poultry!"

That said: Holy CRAP, that's a farkin' huge bear! O_O

I don't see them as above me, but rather as equals.

Although humans have down things in the past that make me sometimes believe most animals are above us.

Her is a thought on why hunting is an obligation of the human race. The populations of animals such as deer used to be controlled by other predators, wolves and mountain lions mostly. We humans have decided that we don't want those other predators around us. They prey on livestock as well as deer, and mountain lions occasionally attack people as well. If I had children, I would certainly not want a family of mountain lions living in the neighborhood.
As a result of our elimination of most of the predators, the only effective predator left to control deer populations are human hunters. There are many consequences to not doing so. One, as has been pointed out, are the large number of deer/car accidents. These are almost always fatal to the deer, but also injure and kill many people. Another problem is that excessive deer populations actually damage the ecology of forests. I have seen woods where every green thing below the level deer can reach has been eaten. No young trees are growing beneath the older trees. When the older trees die, the forest will be gone. In less severe cases, only certain species of young trees are eaten, and over time this alters the make-up of the the tree populations and reduces bio-diversity.
In addition, by removing the predators, we can hurt the health of the deer herd. Natural selection does not function without predators.
Only we are left as signifigant predators. We have remade the world in the manner we wish, but I think we have a responsibility to manage it wisely. I think we need to have hunting, to maintain as well as we can the balance neccessary to the health of the entire ecosystem. For example, if we fail to hunt deer, and as a result the forest is changed to grasslands, what will happen to the forest birds? Do they have rights as well?

Originally posted by Evakian

Now, hunting in modern times is a bit pointless...here in America there are many delis, grocers, and butchers that carry that meat for you, there is no reason to go out shooting animals.

Evakian;

good post I just wanted to touch on this part. I don't trust stores for my food{meat} way to many chemicals. I'm not saying I never buy store meat but I buy as little as possible and never beef. I eat deer alot and know that I am getting exactly what I need not some chemical. Someday I hope to be able to fix my land so that I'll almost be totally self-sufficient. I have allready built ponds that are stocked with "fresh" fish and I am slowly starting some fruit trees. I hunt because I don't like how corp's feel the need to screw with my food.

Originally posted by mad dog
Evakian;

good post I just wanted to touch on this part. I don't trust stores for my food{meat} way to many chemicals. I'm not saying I never buy store meat but I buy as little as possible and never beef. I eat deer alot and know that I am getting exactly what I need not some chemical. Someday I hope to be able to fix my land so that I'll almost be totally self-sufficient. I have allready built ponds that are stocked with "fresh" fish and I am slowly starting some fruit trees. I hunt because I don't like how corp's feel the need to screw with my food.

Thank you for the compliment and i hope that you do well in your efforts to supply your own food.
Such a notion did cross my mind as to why some people hunt, surely it is not the overall consensus of the hunting community...but there are those out there. I salute you in your efforts to live a more natural life with said diet, there are many chemicals in foods today...and while i don't feel the most comfortable eating them i can be assured that many food problems were also avoided, and i am getting certain nutrients i wouldn't otherwise.
There are pros and cons to every situation, but it probably tilts in favor of organically grown foods always. Good luck.