How much do of the stories in the Bible do you can be true? I personally do not trust in the Bible's accuracy of stories. The Bible contradicts itself so much, that I could never trust it has that much truth. There are parts of the Bible I agree with, but there is much I don't trust to have any, or little, truth simply because of the many contradictions in it.

Although I wouldn't consider myself religious by any stretch - I think many of the stories in the bible hold a lot of truth & teaching about how to view life. Just like a lot of myth and ledgend contains archetypes that hold a key message within them - the bible seems to be in the same mold.

If you read any book long enough you'll eventually find some truth somewhere. I have NOTHING against anybody that uses the bible to fill there spirit. If this is what a person needs to do to be happy and believe that death is not the end then so be it. I am strong enough in my own believes that I don't need a book to tell me what is going to happen.
One thing that alot of people don't relize is that the bible was writen by humans for humans there is no(NO) proof that the bible is the word of God. Another question I've always had is if the bible is true then why did God wait so long to have it written? There have been people running around for alloonngg time why did God wait until just a few thousand years ago to start spreading his word? I believe the bible is a good book with alot of kool stories, but I have not found where any of it is the true word of God. Once again I'm not bashing anybodys religion I'm just writing my point of view.

The Bible also says the earth was created in six (or seven)days. On the last day, man was created right? With radiometric dating, science proves this to be wrong, because dinosaurs were here millions of years before man even existed. This was what first gave me doubts the Bible had truth to it. I believe the Bible may have some truth, but I still question it.

I'm glad you have the intelligence and independence to question it, Cat. I've known many Christians who believe that the Bible is perfect and every word in it is perfect. The central fallacy to that is what many forget: the Bible is a translation. Translations are never perfect. Besides which, like you said, sometimes science simply supercedes the Bible. Evolution has been scientifically proven, yet many people are Creationists. *sigh* Not every person can be reasoned with. :(

Originally posted by BorgHunter
. Evolution has been scientifically proven, Last i heard or read, evolution was a scientific theory. When was evolution proven?

When non-biologists talk about biological evolution they often confuse two different aspects of the definition. On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms or whether modern species are continuing to change over time. On the other hand there are questions about the mechanism of the observed changes... how did evolution occur? Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution. Stephen J. Gould has put this as well as anyone else:

In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."

Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

Basically, evolution is to biologists as gravity is to physicists.

I must admit , CatsEye, you make a good point, but there's one thing you're wrong about: NOTHING written in the Bible contradicts anything else written in the Bible. The New Testament may add to some of the scripture in the Old Testament, but it NEVER contradicts it.

As for the question of how the Earth was created in seven days: Like BorgHunter says, the Bible is a translation. The word "day" could very well mean a million years.

I'm no Bible scholar, but I do recall seeing contradictions in the Bible in places. And a quick Google search brought me this: http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html 33 Bible contradictions. WOW!

I would tend to agree with Drew. The meaning of "truth", in the case of the Bible, is not the same than in an history book. Of course I do not believe in most of the Bible's stories, like the creation and so on, but that does not mean that there is no deeper truth in its teachings and archetypes, like in the Illiad or the Mahabarata.
It is just not a "guide" to be taken literally, rather a book to help personal reflexion.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
NOTHING written in the Bible contradicts anything else written in the Bible.

Heh. The Bible is just one big bunch of contradictions. If this is your source of info, you will never be correct about anything.

I haven't looked at the Bible in a long time, ever since I realized it was a crock while I was in high school. However, one shining example comes to mind. First, there's God's commandment "Thou Shallt Not Kill." Then, God himself orders the massacre of Jericho and ALL of its inhabitants (yes, this includes women and babies).

However, I don't deny the Bible can lead you to contentment. Afterall, it keeps you from having to question anything or worrying about things like death or other "worldly" issues.

it keeps you from having to question anything
Ignorance is bliss, eh, Leper?

"Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to atheist." That was a very interesting piece of work. However, I wouldn't consider it to be a reliable source. Mr. Dan Barker had manipulated quite a few of those verses in order to give the impression he wanted.
Obviously, like Leper, Mr. Barker has some sort of personal grudge against Christians.

Regardless, the Bible has NO contradictions.

Originally posted by Mopoloton

Obviously, like Leper, Mr. Barker has some sort of personal grudge against Christians.


Only when they try to impose their religion on me through government facilities or funding....of course, that's just about all the time, isn't it?

Of course, I don't say Christianity is always bad. I think it is an excellent way to keep irrational people moral. e.g. You tell a child that stealing is harmful to society and you get no response, but you might tell him that stealing will make him burn for eternity in the hereafter and....voila!



Borg-

Pretty much:)

Originally posted by Mopoloton
Regardless, the Bible has NO contradictions.
Did you even bother to read the article at the link I posted? 33, all spelled out, and the Bible verses given. You try and tell me that all 33 are false. Look in a Bible, read those verses. Surely you can't argue with this, at least:
* Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
* Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

vs.

* Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor."
* I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
* I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."
* Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
* Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

Actually, BorgHunter, I CAN argue with that:
Those first two verses apply to us, not to God. The Bible states that no man has the right to kill another man, but it doesn't say anything about God killing man. In the book of Exodus, Samuel and so on, God directly ordered the killings, therefore, GOD is the one responsible for the killing of men, women, and children in those latter verses... Not the men He used as the instruments.

This sounds absolutely hideous today, but you have to understand, in the days of the Exodus, the world was a lot different; people in those days were fierce, and sometimes downright barbaric. Violence was the only language they understood.

I read that article you posted from top to bottom. All I saw were 33 Bible Verses that had been altered by a man who hates Christianity and is trying to turn the world against it.

Originally posted by Leper
[B]Only when they try to impose their religion on me through government facilities or funding....of course, that's just about all the time, isn't it?

Unfortunately, that's true; there are certain groups of Christians who try to force people to join their religion. I've never agreed with this. I don't think religion should be forced on anybody.
Trying to force Christianity on someone only creates negative feelings towards it.

I only read the first post in this thread, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned...

Regarding contradictions in the Bible: many of these so-called "contradictions" are not really what they seem. On first look, yes, you can find many. But upon closer examination you realize they aren't really contradictions at all because the descrepancy is explained, it's taken out of context, etc etc.

Give me some examples of these contradictions and I will demonstrate.

Nice to see you back here, Dave. I did indeed post this one earlier: http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html

Don't get bogged down in "true and false". Both side have been debating for thousands of years about wether the Bible is "true".

The sky is not blue. From outer space the atmosphere appears clear not blue. From Earth it looks blue in the daytime.

Down is up. There are people on the Earth right now who are "upside down".

Any statement that we consider obvoisly "true" can be reinterpreted and argued against. The real value of the Bible is the religious Truth it contains.

If you have faith, you will go to Heaven (translation: if you believe in Love you live in paradise)

Borg,

That's a lot of verses. Here's one I picked simply to demonstrate what I'm talking about. It says the commandment "Thou shalt not steal" is a contradiction to the verse saying "You shall pillage the Egyptians." The 10 commandments are rules for US, not God. Likewise, if God COMMANDS us to do something, regardless of what the commandments say, it is not a sin. It IS a contradiction, but not in the manner that you Bible haters like to think. Any others in particular that you want to have explained?

So God invented the 10 Commandments just so he could break them?

No, he created them as general rules for the people to follow. However, God has the authority to override them at certain times that he deems neccessary.

Same thing goes for when people say "If we're not supposed to kill, then why does Leviticus say "blah blah blah"

Ah, I see. The 10 Commandments are kind of like the Prime Directive. And God is Janeway. Gotcha.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about.

I figured you wouldn't. I threw that in just for the hell of it. (It's a reference to Star Trek). Basically, what I'm trying to get across is that God invented these 10 Commandments to get people to be better to each other, but then sets a horrible example by telling other people to break those rules. Your god is a hypocrite.

No, he'd be a hypocrite if he said that he wouldn't do that but to my knowledge that never happened.

But hey, you have already decided that you hate the Bible so what's really the use?

I don't hate the Bible. In fact, I think that if people follow the Bible as best they can and not try to force their religion on other people, they are much nicer and better people.

But the problem is that many Christians have gotten it up in their heads that their religion is right and everyone else is a sinner. And it is somehow their duty to impede on other people's rights because their god said that, say, homosexuality is a sin. Thus, if there's anyone I hate, it's the Fundamentalist Christians.

But the problem is that many Christians have gotten it up in their heads that their religion is right and everyone else is a sinner. And it is somehow their duty to impede on other people's rights because their god said that, say, homosexuality is a sin. Thus, if there's anyone I hate, it's the Fundamentalist Christians.

Well, if you are a Christian, it would be wise to believe your religion is the one true religion. Why? Because that's what the Bible says! I'm not saying you should believe it, but anyone who claims to be a Christian should. And exactly what rights do we "impede" by saying homosexuality is a sin? We don't go into people's bedrooms and stop them from having "homosexual relations." What gives? Your whole problem is that you do not understand Christianity or Christians. You THINK you are some expert and go around explaining why the Bible is a flawed book, but really you just don't understand. It takes more than knowing heresay from the anti-Christian left. If you truly understood and then just said "I don't believe" then I would respect that. But when you go around saying "the Bible is hypocritical," "Christians think homosexuality is a sin. How dare they!" I just have to sit back and chuckle.

Funny how I never hear you complain about Fundamentalist Muslims.

Oh please, Dave, you sound pitiful. I'm talking about the outlawing of homosexual marriages. And the de-secularizing of the government. I'm not complaining about people who think that their religion is right, I'm complaining about the people who try to pass laws because on the basis that the law is something that the Bible says not to do.

As for the Fundamentalists Muslims, why would I say something about them in a discussion of Christianity?

Originally posted by DaveTooner


The 10 commandments are rules for US, not God. Likewise, if God COMMANDS us to do something, regardless of what the commandments say, it is not a sin.
This is exactly what I said! Doesn't anyone ever pay attention around here?

I'm talking about the outlawing of homosexual marriages.

That is whole different subject, and it is NOT a morality issue, like you pinko leftists would like to make it out to be. But we'll save that for another time.

Pinko? Isn't that a little archaic?

Not to Dave. He made the word "pinko" stylish. By "stylish" I mean "worn out", of course.

All right, here's another link to Bible contradictions if anyone wants to take a crack at disproving them: http://home.freeuk.net/jesusmyth/page5.htm

The "truth" therein is the same truth as a beatiful song has. We don't take pop singers to task for bad grammar or misstatements. "We Will Rock You" rocks wether or not it is "accurate"

I'm questioning its accuracy because so many take it completely literally. They don't realize it's meant to be taken figuratively.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
They don't realize it's meant to be taken figuratively.
How do you know? You're an "Evolutionist."

What is that supposed to mean?

I agree with Borg here, the Bible needn't be taken completely literally.

I'll tell you what it means: "Evolutionists" know nothing about Christianity. Borg probably hasn't picked up a bible in years, so how does he know it's supposed to be taken figuratively? I'm not putting down Evolutionists, I'm just saying you should stick to what you know.

Mopoloton, I agree. I wouldn't say it's neccessarily "evolutionists," but people like Borg who are dead set against Christianity do not know as much as they think.

I was born into a VERY religious catholic family. I think I know a bit about christianity. And I beleive my grandmother has the best theory of them all. God began it, and then evolution took its toll. And up to the "missing link" evolution went, and then "god" messed around again. Hehe, create the universe in 7 days. Unless those days were billions of years long.

Maybe those days WERE billions of years long. A day means 24 hours to us, but it could've had an entirely different meaning when the universe was created.
I'm only saying this for the sake of argument. In actuality, God could've created the universe in 7 seconds if he'd wanted to.

Which brings up an interesting point. If God is all-powerful, as the Bible claims, then why did it take six days (not seven, blib) to create the universe, plus a whole day of resting? Is God really not all-powerful? This, in my mind, is a contradiction in the Bible.

Borg it is this type of argument that just makes me laugh at you Bible haters. You put SUCH little thought into it.

First of all, like YOU said you can't take it all literally. I read somewhere that the word for "day" in Hebrew text meant "time period." It's my opinion that God put the world into motion and then the evolution of the earth and it's life forms took place. As for the last day, the word "rest" does not neccessarily mean "recouperating from exhaustion." Could it not be that what that simply meant was that he was finished? You are so bent on proving the Bible wrong that you don't put any thought into this crap.

Well...looks like I just made myself a hypocrite. I retract my previous statement.

It took six days because God WANTED it to take six days. On the seventh day, he CHOSE to rest.

The Bible doesn't prove or disprove anything.

You want proof God exists? The proof is "written" in every atom.

Originally posted by Ed Blank
The Bible doesn't prove or disprove anything.

You want proof God exists? The proof is "written" in every atom.
Oh shut up. That is no proof at all and you know it.

Borg I'm with you, for starters if he is the all mighty being, why does he need a rest. If the 7 days were actually 700,000,000 days then that means he would have rested for a 100,000,000 years. So if this is the case that means God is taking a 100,000,000 years off after every 600,000,000 years If the earth is 6 billion years old then God is going on vacation shortly for 100,000,000 years. So this means that whoever or what ever is roamming the earth during his vacation is sh** out of luck if they need help. Maybe that is when evolution takes over, God isn't around so the planet just takes things into its own hands. Well now we finally know what happened to the dinasours, God was on vacation :D

What does the atom have to do with God?

I'm just saying that the Universe is an unlikely place.

How does the matter arrange itself in such fantastic and perfectly exact ways (exact for the pursposes of life forms that is) ?

If the universe were a huge blender then the matter would be the same as the matter in a blender: goo. gunk.

There has to be some intelligence directing the dirt or else it would not know how to live (we and everything on Earth is made of dirt and water).

Why does matter gravitate toward itself? How do atoms spin forever? Why is the moon exactly the same size as the Sun from our perspective? Why is the Earth exaclty far enough away from the Sun?.............. etc.

Borg, it isn't proof, but it is damn convincing if you ask me.

Ed, think of this: the Universe is the way it is because, if, say, the Earth were not capable of life, then we would not be alive. Having a planet capable of life is a prerequisite of life. It is simple logic. Granted, this neither proves nor disproves a god...

There is quite a bit of proof on how atoms formed to create thinking beings. The only proof missing, is doing it ourselves. But we don't have billions of years to spare.

You have to think, this is a very stupid topic. This topic is just as bad as debating the moral standings in abortion or capital punishment. This, unlike politics, is not the kind of topic that will make people move to your side. It will always fall at a dead end, even after there is evidence of god, or no god.

Originally posted by Blibblob
.You have to think, this is a very stupid topic. This topic is just as bad as debating the moral standings in abortion or capital punishment.

If this is a stupid topic to you, why did you give input?

What the problem is with the human race is that we think we are the smartest, we think we are the only ones in the universe. Who is to say there is not another Galaxy out there with even more inteligence, that as been around 1,000,000,000 times longer then we have or our earth has? We compare our world with creation, but what about other worlds maybe they have nothing in common with our world or its makeup. Now you guys that believe in the bible did God greate these worlds also/ If he did greate these worlds then why didn't he make all the worlds equal? Who knows what we might learn 1 bilion years from now, if we are still around. I am not atheist I just don't think the bible is true it was written by people, not the one true greater. If God is so great then I'm sure he would have known how to write the bible himself. After all if he can greate a world how long would it take him to write a book.

Now you guys that believe in the bible did God greate these worlds also/ If he did greate these worlds then why didn't he make all the worlds equal?

I don't know, I don't care, and I don't see why it would matter. (but yes, if there are other places with life, he did make them)

If God is so great then I'm sure he would have known how to write the bible himself. After all if he can greate a world how long would it take him to write a book.

Well it is obvious that you are ignorant about the Bible. Why don't you people that have a problem with the Bible just SHUT UP and keep your opinions to yourselves. Why? Because it's obvious that you really don't know as much as you think you do. You think it's so simple when it really is NOT. Sorry mad dog, you're cool and all, but it really gets on my nerves when people present these arguments like this with the attitude of "it's so obvious that the Bible is false because..." and then the "because" is totally erroneous and based on pure ignorance. I don't hold it against you. If I wasn't a Christian I probably wouldn't bother reading the Bible either, but I also wouldn't act like I know what I'm talking about.

Matter only degenerates on it's own. The fact that it ever built up to anything into anything means something outside itself directed it.

Wether or not you agree with the Bible: Why would the Universe explode forth from the void in the first place?

I cannot discuss that with you, Ed, without boring the hell out of you with a long lecture on physics. Sorry, that's just how it is and I can't simplify it.

Borg...can you do it in 100 words or less? Use the Reader's Digest Condensed Dctnry. & thsrs.

see: URO SPK (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1607)

Originally posted by DaveTooner

Well it is obvious that you are ignorant about the Bible. Why don't you people that have a problem with the Bible just SHUT UP and keep your opinions to yourselves. Why? Because it's obvious that you really don't know as much as you think you do. You think it's so simple when it really is NOT. Sorry mad dog, you're cool and all, but it really gets on my nerves when people present these arguments like this with the attitude of "it's so obvious that the Bible is false because..." and then the "because" is totally erroneous and based on pure ignorance. I don't hold it against you. If I wasn't a Christian I probably wouldn't bother reading the Bible either, but I also wouldn't act like I know what I'm talking about.
Dave I'm sorry I p***ed in your bowl of soup, that was not my intention at all. Like I have said in other post I'm not judging or putting anybodys thoughts or relgion down. I was raised in a stricked catholic home, so yes I have read the bible. I just question its credibility, I'm not going to say if it is right or wrong. I was just putting some thought out their. If you noticed I didn't act like I knew what I was talking about I said WHAT IF....I never once said the Bible is false either, I just asked some questions that I don't think anybody can really answer unless they are as old as the universe itself.

Once again I'm sorry to have upset you. :)

Long discussions on physics (I understand the physics, by the way) do not get at the heart of the question:

Why? (not "How?")

Well how bout I answer them?

1. No one can know for sure why God didn't "write" the Bible himself. It doesn't really matter. As Christians we believe the writers were inspired by God so in a way it was written by him.

2. As for the other worlds, I have no doubt that there is other life in the Universe, and I have no doubt that God made that life. Is it different from us? Probably. Why? I don't know and quite frankly don't care.

Obviously no one can prove that the Bible is credible. I don't care. My faith isn't based on archeological and historical records.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Well how bout I answer them?

1. No one can know for sure why God didn't "write" the Bible himself. It doesn't really matter. As Christians we believe the writers were inspired by God so in a way it was written by him.

2. As for the other worlds, I have no doubt that there is other life in the Universe, and I have no doubt that God made that life. Is it different from us? Probably. Why? I don't know and quite frankly don't care.

Obviously no one can prove that the Bible is credible. I don't care. My faith isn't based on archeological and historical records.
Fair enough, like I said I do believe there is a superior being out there. I do believe that death is not the end, I just have many unanswered questions about the Bible.:)

I'll tell you what it means: "Evolutionists" know nothing about Christianity. Borg probably hasn't picked up a bible in years, so how does he know it's supposed to be taken figuratively? I'm not putting down Evolutionists, I'm just saying you should stick to what you know. Just because someone is not a christian does not necessarily mean they are an evloutionist. And there are a lot more than 33 contradicitons in the bible. The typical apologist response is "Your taking it out of context" What rubbish!

Just because someone is not a christian does not necessarily mean they are an evloutionist. And there are a lot more than 33 contradicitons in the bible. The typical apologist response is "Your taking it out of context" What rubbish!


Necromancer has a supernatural ability to bring long-dead forum discussion threads back to life. After having been flogged to death the thread may have been deceased for many years, and bringing it back may have scant relevance to the current topic, yet Necromancer will unexpectedly exhume the thread’s rotting corpse, and strike horror in the forum as its grotesque form lurches into the discussion. The monster, instantly recognized by all who knew it in life, seems at first to breathe and have a pulse, but, alas, it is beyond Necromancer’s skill to fully restore the thread’s original vitality. The hideous apparition may frighten away some of the weaker Warriors or Warriors badly wounded in former battles, but the thread is only a shadow of its former self and very quickly expires.

Unlike Archivist, Necromancer compulsively saves every forum message in carefully preserved archives for future use in battle, while Necromancer collects departed threads merely for the thrill of resurrecting them. Some say he performs this unnatural act out of malice, others say he can’t help himself, but no one really knows.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/necromancer.htm

OMG I'm looking at that site right now Borg... I recognize so many people. :D Weenie, Yuk-Yuk, Toxic Granny, etc....

Long discussions on physics (I understand the physics, by the way) do not get at the heart of the question:

Why? (not "How?")

The First Book of Bokonon explaines it quite well...

The First Book of Bokonon

In the beginning, God created earth, and he looked upon it in His cosmic loneliness.
And God said, "Let Us make living creatures out of mud, so the mud can see what We have done." And God created every living creature that now moveth, and one was man. Mud as man alone could speak. God leaned close as mud as man sat up, looked around, and spoke. Man blinked. "What is the purpose of all this?" he asked politely.

"Everything must have a purpose?" asked God.

"Certainly," said man.

"Then I leave it to you to think of one for all this," said God. And He went away.

Bokonon says of his first book: "Of course it's trash"

OMG I'm looking at that site right now Borg... I recognize so many people. :D Weenie, Yuk-Yuk, Toxic Granny, etc....
Update:
Loony is Foolsworth.
Tireless Rebutter is dharma.
Toxic Granny is SMW. (And I mean that in the best possible way)
There are quite a few Ideologues, Centurions, and Pinkos. And I think almost everyone here is a bit of a Nitpick at times, I know I am.
Yuk-Yuk is TheDude.
There are a few pairs of Duelists here...

Hah, that was hilarious.

Update:
Loony is Foolsworth.
Tireless Rebutter is dharma.
Toxic Granny is SMW. (And I mean that in the best possible way)
There are quite a few Ideologues, Centurions, and Pinkos. And I think almost everyone here is a bit of a Nitpick at times, I know I am.
Yuk-Yuk is TheDude.
There are a few pairs of Duelists here...

Hah, that was hilarious.


lol

Thats so funny, hey Borg is Big Dog. Evak is Grammarian. Nap is Evil Clown.
I think I'm Profoundud Maximus, or Diplomat, or maybe Decon lol,
what do you think?

I think youre Koffee Clatch, Dark.

lol

Thats so funny, hey Borg is Big Dog. Evak is Grammarian. Nap is Evil Clown.
I think I'm Profoundud Maximus, or Diplomat, or maybe Decon lol,
what do you think?

I think youre Koffee Clatch, Dark.
I think you're right that you're Deacon. Borg isn't Big Dog, I think he fits Grammarian better although without the weak fighting skills. Nap is definitely Evil Clown, except that most people like him. I don't think I need to tell you who Crybaby is... ;)

I don't think I'm Koffee Clatch. I think I'm a little bit of Grammarian and a little bit of Diplomat.

I think you're right that you're Deacon. Borg isn't Big Dog, I think he fits Grammarian better although without the weak fighting skills. Nap is definitely Evil Clown, except that most people like him. I don't think I need to tell you who Crybaby is... ;)

I don't think I'm Koffee Clatch. I think I'm a little bit of Grammarian and a little bit of Diplomat.


Yeah, I think youre way closer then I am.

I'm the Big Dog, bitches!

Damn, I wish I had been around for DaveTooner. That would have been fun.

Damn, I wish I had been around for DaveTooner. That would have been fun.


Never knew him either, mad dog was cool. Wish I wasnt such an ass to him when I first got here.

I'll tell you what it means: "Evolutionists" know nothing about Christianity. I am a Christian. I accept evolution. I adore the Bible. I know it is a work of man.