This is just a bit of info for anyone who cares. The last time around we had some deep discussions. Some of them serious and some not. My only appeal to you is to be certain that what you believe is in fact the truth and not just your own ideas and oppinions or what's popular at the time. The issues of religion, heaven & hell, Armageddon the last days are more important then most people think. If God, the Devil, Jesus and religion in general are nothing but myths, then in the end, being dead is simply dead. On the other hand; what if it is not a myth?

If you have serious question concerning these issues, you may find the answers in the FAQ section of the site listed below. Presently, it's a short list of Q&A but, you can ask your own questions. Site: The End Time News (dot) org.

Originally posted by rsm12
On the other hand; what if it is not a myth?
I think i dislike that argument the most. We are meant to believe because the "what if's" are stacked in favour of christians??

Yeh ok

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Originally posted by rsm12
what if it is not a myth?
What if it is? What if god rewards atheists for being brave enough to not believe and punishes Christians for their endless grovelling and praying?

I'll send you a postcard from heaven if it's any consolation.

Two words.




Pascal's Wager.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Frogger
[B]Two words.
Pascal's Wager.Quote.
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I am not sure how much weight a faith of convience would carry if the heaven thingy is true.

Originally posted by Frogger
Two words.

Pascal's Wager.
Ah, Pascal's Wager. Horribly, horribly flawed argument.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell I am not sure how much weight a faith of convience would carry if the heaven thingy is true. [/B]
heheh.

Originally posted by Blob
What if it is? What if god rewards atheists for being brave enough to not believe and punishes Christians for their endless grovelling and praying?

I'll send you a postcard from heaven if it's any consolation. Would this make you happy if it were so?

Originally posted by HaVoK
Would this make you happy if it were so?

Id laugh my ass off if it were true.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Would this make you happy if it were so? I'd appreciate the irony.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rsm12
My only appeal to you is to be certain that what you believe is in fact the truth and not just your own ideas and oppinions or what's popular at the time. quote.
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Well, that pretty well leaves all human beings out of the discussion. ;)

My only appeal to you is to be certain that what you believe is in fact the truth and not just your own ideas and oppinions or what's popular at the time.

Nah, I'd rather get laid (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13703).

I'm lucky. My own ideas and opnions just happen to in fact be truth. If you would like to learn from my uniquely superior wisdom, rsm12, please humbly post a question and I'll provide the objectively correct answer.

What is Pascal"s Wager?






(Lord, I REALLY should hve paid more attention in school, instead of doodling, writing notes, day dreaming, or sleeping........):o

Pascal's Wager
If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing (assuming that death is the absolute end), whereas if you correctly believe in God, you gain everything (eternal bliss). But if you correctly disbelieve in God, you gain nothing (death ends all), whereas if you erroneously disbelieve in God, you lose everything (eternal damnation).

Originally posted by Frogger
Pascal's Wager
If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing (assuming that death is the absolute end) You miss out on sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. You also fail to value life, for only that which is rare is vaulable.

Also, if I become a muslim have I passed Pascal's wager?

Originally posted by Frogger
Pascal's Wager
If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing (assuming that death is the absolute end), whereas if you correctly believe in God, you gain everything (eternal bliss). But if you correctly disbelieve in God, you gain nothing (death ends all), whereas if you erroneously disbelieve in God, you lose everything (eternal damnation).

I am not sure what the difference is between correctly disbeleiving in God, or incorrectly disbelieving in God.

Did Pascal mean those who were blasphemous, or those who merely had doubts? (a natural human reaction.)

Originally posted by rendova
I am not sure what the difference is between correctly disbeleiving in God, or incorrectly disbelieving in God. Correctly disbelieving in god means "there is no god and you don't believe in god"; incorrectly disbelieving means "there is a god and you don't believe in god".

Originally posted by Frogger
Pascal's Wager
If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing (assuming that death is the absolute end), whereas if you correctly believe in God, you gain everything (eternal bliss). But if you correctly disbelieve in God, you gain nothing (death ends all), whereas if you erroneously disbelieve in God, you lose everything (eternal damnation).

In most religions, although being westerners we lean towards speaking of our culture's christianity so i shall do so, going to these incorporeal and spiritual realms (i.e. Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory), the belief or disbelief in god does not solely make the dictation of where you are to go. That is one of many flaws in this argument...in Christianity your destination relies on good works, good thoughts, and being a good, god fearing individual who achieves the success of chastising themselves, perpetuating faith, and maintaining the cycles of the social system. To serve as an example, in Christianity...believing in god or accepting god does not keep you out of heaven or hell if you give your life to save 70 or kill 70. There is more to the argument at stake than that.

You miss out on sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll.

Unless you're a clergymen I really doubt those things are completely vacant from your experience. ;)

Also, if I become a muslim have I passed Pascal's wager?

You don't know about Ayman Al-Pascaliri?

He developed the- al-Pascaliri Wajr. :D

Wikipedia gives detailed explanation of what Pascal's Wager is and various reasonable criticisms of it. Pascal's Wager (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager)

It's a completely logical statement (under its own assumptions, it does not produce contradictions). The problem is that the assumptions under which it operates...simply were not very objective. Near-sighted and narrow-minded, almost painfully so, I think.