It seems that every thread on this forum will eventually have a post about Hitler or the Nazis.

There is no doubt, this man fascinates us all, and casts a long shadow.

Yet, who WAS he? how much is known about him, what drove him? And, most importantly, what was he like as a human being?
I have read that he loved children and animals, esp dogs, enjoyed American Westerns, and that his intimate personal circle found him a thoughtful and generous employer.

I guess what I'm getting at is--it's a mistake to call him a monster. This implies that he was somehow not human. Perhaps by knowing more about what he was like as a man, it will enable us to fully understand better the terrible history of the Third Reich, and perhaps prevent a repeat of such history.

Originally posted by rendova
Yet, who WAS he? how much is known about him, what drove him? And, most importantly, what was he like as a human being?
I have read that he loved children and animals, esp dogs, enjoyed American Westerns, and that his intimate personal circle found him a thoughtful and generous employer.

Interesting question - it's definitely not something you hear or read about.

Originally posted by rendova
I guess what I'm getting at is--it's a mistake to call him a monster. This implies that he was somehow not human. Perhaps by knowing more about what he was like as a man, it will enable us to fully understand better the terrible history of the Third Reich, and perhaps prevent a repeat of such history.

Certainly any attempt to portray him as something other than human creates the dangerous impression that such a person couldn't exist again.

He was a painter and a vegetarian.

He was put into power because those behind him thought they could control him.

In his speeches he appealed to men and women equally (apparently this is rare).

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
He was a painter and a vegetarian.

He was put into power because those behind him thought they could control him.

In his speeches he appealed to men and women equally (apparently this is rare).

I'm a little confused, guerilla.
Who do you mean by those who put him in power?

Hitler wasn't really placed into power. He forced himself to be given power. Paul von Hindenburg needed the support of the National Socialists and thought he could control Hitler. He did, too, until his death.

Hitler had a great ability to know what the people wanted to hear, a sort of social or emotional compass. The German term for this ability is Fingerspitzgefuhl. It literally means finger tip feeling. He could walk into a room, or a stadium and instantly know what the people wanted to hear.

Hitler was a masterful orator ... he could deliver probably better than anyone alive at the time.

Huge plus (for him)

If you spend enough time in front of the television watching this channel (http://thehistorychannel.com/), eventually you'll see just about everything available on ole' Adolph.

You're right, es347fan. I spend a lot of time watching the History Channel and sometimes I think they should change their name to the Hitler Channel.

Originally posted by Frogger
You're right, es347fan. I spend a lot of time watching the History Channel and sometimes I think they should change their name to the Hitler Channel.

I think the station must be run by the last of the WW2 vets...because that is all they ever play, WW2.

I think they do that because of their core audience. Not too many young people watch the History Channel. They are too busy with The O.C.. They do some pretty good stuff on ancient history. Their weakest area seems to be American History.

I watch channels like, History Channel, Time/Life, National Geographic, Animal Channel, and the like, but then, I'm an old fart.

On regular channels I prefer CSI, CSI New York, Ghost Whisperer, Cold Case, George Lopez and Rodney. I used to watch Lost but it is up against Criminal Minds this year and I love Mandy Patinkin ever since I saw him in Dead Like Me.

Originally posted by rendova
Yet, who WAS he?

In short, an enigmatic figure.

A painter, nonsmoker (back then was unusual), WW1 vet who was politically active, vegetarian, and a questionable sexuality. From his childhood plays and readings he was able to gain anti-semitic sentiment...which also functioned as a scapegoat for him to come to power. His tenure in prison writing Mein Kampf helped him standardize his thoughts. Good military tactician, criminally insane, excellent orator, occult member, heavy drug abuser, and conniving politican.

There was an aura about this man, he drew people to him. His promises and competence compelled the masses, efficiency and war gave great visions of a future society where they could reign supreme. We can be thankful for the US's involvement in the war, Stalin's crusade against him, and his heavy, heavy drug abuse...all leading to lapses in judgment that led to his downfall.

His reich was one of the most terrifyingly amazing feats in the history of civilization and conquest. It can be argued that Tung and Stalin were far worse and effectual leaders, and rightly so...they caused more death, destruction, and rape of human rights. But Hitler differed from them in that he was for the most part ruthlessly competent. One can take the view that he could have quite probably taken the world before his (natural) death had things not taken a turn for the worse (from his perspective, for us--for the better).

When one sees a swastika, hears his name, hears the word aryan, or views a speech of his....they shudder and are taken aback. Very few human beings are magnetic and effectual as Hitler, a villain for the ages.

Originally posted by Frogger
I watch channels like, History Channel, Time/Life, National Geographic, Animal Channel, and the like

Aye, that be interesting progammin' ;)

hilter was a homosexual environmentalist animal rights crazed cigarette nazi ( hated smoking) sound like a modern day democrat to me.

Originally posted by Travh20
hilter was a homosexual environmentalist animal rights crazed cigarette nazi ( hated smoking) sound like a modern day democrat to me.
Even if this was a joke (I hope) it was a bad one at best.

Originally posted by Overdose
Even if this was a joke (I hope) it was a bad one at best.

No worse a joke than comparing President Bush to Hitler.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Hitler was a masterful orator ... he could deliver probably better than anyone alive at the time.

Huge plus (for him)

Hitler could harangue a cowed audience for hours at a time, but this hardly makes him a great orator. Winston Churchill galvanized the British people and swayed American public opinion with his brilliant heart-felt speeches. No contest there.

Several years ago the Russians released the findings of the autopsy performed on Hitlers' remains (previously a state secret for some reason maybe Redstar could explain). They found that Hitler had only one dropped testicle, the other still recessed in his abdomen. Explains alot, don't you think?

Originally posted by Overdose
Even if this was a joke (I hope) it was a bad one at best.

is not a joke OD, he really was all of those things. check it out.

Sedan

Having a non-descended testicle means nothing. It doesn't affect sexuality, the ability to father children or anything else.

Frogger

Physiologically speaking, you are correct. Psychologically, it can (not does or should, but can) cause a deep sense of inferiority that can manifest itself in many ways. I hope you agree that Hitler exhibited many symptoms of a classic inferiority complex (paranoia, self-delusion, megalomania, etc.). He is one of the great tragic figures of human history, impossible (for me, at least) to fathom. I think his personality is a little more understandable in this light.

Gentlemen,
Cease and desist immediately, i implore you. Please do not let this discussion persist about Adolf Hitler's testicular complications, as it is making me cringe just gazing over these words ever so briefly. Which i also must note is perhaps the strangest discourse I have ever experienced, taken on with a straight face, in my history of exploring internet forums. Failure to comply with my wishes will result in legal action. I have given you people fair warning...

-Evak

Evakian,

Hitler was a product of a lost war, an ignominious peace treaty, overly harsh reparation terms, childhood rejection and failure, coupled with a drive to succeed, high intelligence, and an amazing social barometer, all of which was found during the failing days of the Weimar Republic. His half empty scrotum had nothing to do with who he was.

Originally posted by Frogger
Evakian,

Hitler was a product of a lost war, an ignominious peace treaty, overly harsh reparation terms, childhood rejection and failure, coupled with a drive to succeed, high intelligence, and an amazing social barometer, all of which was found during the failing days of the Weimar Republic. His half empty scrotum had nothing to do with who he was.

To preface, I merely made that statement to express my discomfort with the subject matter. The "ick" factor as some call it. And also, my attourney shall be contacting you soon Frogger. :p

I may not be a psychologist, but based on my understanding of human behavior, there is a great deal that could be placed on this topic, although it is mere speculation and we would never be able to actually discover.
Everything in our lives, no matter how seemingly insignificant, shapes who we are, what we do, and who we become. What we do for a living, where we live, how we react to other's criticisms, what we eat, and many other things that could go on for a great deal of time listing.
All the references you've made do indeed play a major role in creating the aura of Hitler that we tremble at now, but downplaying the importance on this issue is a bit of a poor decision, as it may as well have been a catalyst in his life's movements.
Society's emphasis on masculinity could've gotten to the man, influenced his mindset, and caused an array of emotion that was put into other facets for which he could act out. His supposed "inferiority" in this physical respect may have created anger, sadness, frustration, even madness and bedlam that manifested in his actions and decisions.
In my earlier post I made a point to list things about him, non-smoker, painter, vegetarian, drug abuser, had a questionable sexuality, was an occult member, an excellent orator, and other things. These all serve as some form of indicators of who he was and why. There is no spontaneity in the universe, everything happens with reason and nothing happens without having supporting factors to assist in their creation.

A historian could spend time to research and discover these things we've talked about to learn about psychology, history, and the human spirit as a whole...don't be so quick to claim there was no bearing on who he was by this issue.

My youngest son and his wife are both high power attornies and they will be arriving for Thanksgiving dinner in a few hours. I am going to show them your threat to sue and will ask them to immediately enter a countersuit. I am going to own you before the week is out, Evakian.:lolhit:

A historian could spend time to research and discover these things we've talked about to learn about psychology, history, and the human spirit as a whole...don't be so quick to claim there was no bearing on who he was by this issue.

Don't be so sure of that, Evakian. Historians have a difficult time fairly researching Hitler because of the dearth of anything complimentary written about him. Every book I have come across is totally negative in its evaluation of Hitler. There is a saying, "History is written by the victors." The victors have written the history of Hitler. It will be at least another fifty years before a fair assessment of Hitler will be made.

Originally posted by Frogger
My youngest son and his wife are both high power attornies and they will be arriving for Thanksgiving dinner in a few hours. I am going to show them your threat to sue and will ask them to immediately enter a countersuit. I am going to own you before the week is out, Evakian.

This means war...

http://www.orlyowl.com/omfgwtfbbq.jpg

Don't be so sure of that, Evakian. Historians have a difficult time fairly researching Hitler because of the dearth of anything complimentary written about him. Every book I have come across is totally negative in its evaluation of Hitler. There is a saying, "History is written by the victors." The victors have written the history of Hitler. It will be at least another fifty years before a fair assessment of Hitler will be made.

Regardless of bias towards Hitler, things could still be gathered about him for psychoanalytical usage. Just sharing a viewpoint.

Now, as for your offspring...can we not be civil and settle this without lawyers, perhaps a duel? 50 paces? ;)

This means war...

My lawyer will kick your lawyer's butt. He will be waiting for your lawyer on the field of honor with a fully loaded writ. Prepare to meet thy doom.



Any study of Hitler is almost certain to be colored by the prevailing view of the man. I still maintain that no valid study of any aspect of Hitler's life can be done for another fifty years.

"Lawyer" & "field of honor" in the same sentence? Gimme a break.

lol

Originally posted by sedan
Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Hitler was a masterful orator ... he could deliver probably better than anyone alive at the time.

Huge plus (for him)

Hitler could harangue a cowed audience for hours at a time, but this hardly makes him a great orator.

2 things ... how do you know the audience was cowed?

and even if that was the case, what does audience-motive have to do with a person's oratory skills?

They weren't cowed. They were enthusiastic. That's the power a person with fingerspitzgefulhl has. He knows what an audiance wants to hear and gives them that in his speeches. Hitler was a master of media.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
how do you know the audience was cowed?Fair question. During the 1920's Hitler spoke to many small groups and was always accompanied by Brownshirts who were known for their brutal streetfighting methods. No one dared say boo if they valued their skulls intact.

During the '30's (the torchlight rallies and such) you can argue that his audiences were genuinely enthusiastic, although the pageantry and spectacle were great attractions. The show was worth seeing, but does anyone really enjoy a two hour speech? And would you have left such an event before Herr Hitler had finished speaking? I think not.

During the war Hitler mainly addressed the Reichstag and was broadcast on radio. While Germany was winning I would agree his audiences were not cowed. As the war turned sour and the Reign of Terror ensued they were most definitely cowed.
Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
and even if that was the case, what does audience-motive have to do with a person's oratory skills?
None at all. But the popular perception of Hitler's oratorical 'genius' stems from the imagery of adoring crowds shouting 'Sieg Heil!' in unison while the Fuhrer beams down upon them. This is how Hitler gained the reputation of being 'the greatest orator of his time'. This is not the same as actually being the greatest.

Originally posted by Frogger
Evakian,

Hitler was a product of a lost war, an ignominious peace treaty, overly harsh reparation terms, childhood rejection and failure, coupled with a drive to succeed, high intelligence, and an amazing social barometer, all of which was found during the failing days of the Weimar Republic. His half empty scrotum had nothing to do with who he was.

The theory that Hitler was the product of the "peace treaty" and "overly harsh reparation terms" is a pretty weak attempt to explain Hitler. It ignores the history of anti-semetism, anticommunism and right wing paramilitary culture that existed in the Weimer Republic that shaped his politics. It also ignores the most crucial aspect that shaped his success - support from German and American industrialists.

Originally posted by Travh20
hilter was a homosexual environmentalist animal rights crazed cigarette nazi ( hated smoking) sound like a modern day democrat to me.

He can also be claimed by the so-called "pro-life" movement, cultural conservatives, opponents of feminism, union busters, militarists, patriots, anti-communists, anti-immigration activists, religious types generally...

Adolph HItler was a man who built his platform on not paying reparations to those Germany damaged in WWI, he then added that Germanies faults were the fault of the Jewish bankers. People of a failing super power bought into it. He would have gone down in history as a great leader right up to the point he started executing people based on their religious and sexual beliefs.

Hitler was not a monster but the machine he built was. Only a madman asks his best field general to kill himself because of a loss in battle.

I am not jewish but I was born in Germany the son of an American Officer. I was fascinated by Hitler in my early years, not a good fascination. I wanted to no more about the man who brought countries together with such resolve, everyone wanted him dead.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
He would have gone down in history as a great leader right up to the point he started executing people based on their religious and sexual beliefs.The problem I have with this statement is that the methods Hitler used to achieve power (scapegoating, appeals to nationalistic pride, the Night of Long Knives, etc) led him inexorably to his later actions. It isn't as though he could have stopped, in 1936 or '37, and said "OK, from now on I'm going to lay off the Jews, Gypsies, communists and homosexuals." Like Stalin, he was holding the wolf by its ears and could not let go.

I do wonder, though, how things might have gone if he had been assassinated, for instance, in the summer of 1940. The Soviet Union may not have been invaded by different leadership. Or if it had, the war in the East may have been fought more intelligently, with a very different result. In a case like that, our view of Hitler today would indeed be very different.

I didnt say I would have said he was great, but the people of Germany who backed him did. He rebuilt a country destroyed by their own hands.

Originally posted by Deepest Red
The theory that Hitler was the product of the "peace treaty" and "overly harsh reparation terms" is a pretty weak attempt to explain Hitler. It ignores the history of anti-semetism, anticommunism and right wing paramilitary culture that existed in the Weimer Republic that shaped his politics. It also ignores the most crucial aspect that shaped his success - support from German and American industrialists.


dont forget the german peoples disgust with the rampant sexuality, homosexuality and over all imorrality that hitler played agaisnt the republic

Ever thought about the fact that Hitler had relatives and what they went thru because of association?

He had a nephew that was a lower soldier and was captured by the Russians. He spent 18 months in interigation and died.

The second nephew came to America and spoke against Hitler during the war. He went into hiding after the war and lived in fear from that moment on. Was a bigamist, had two families at the same time.

Russia rounded up any of his relatives that they could find after the war and they never returned home.

Hitler has 3 great nephews now living in America under changed names. They are protected from exposure. They have no children.
Are 50 years or older. Seems the line will die out in the American branch of the family.

He has some extended family living in Austria.

All these people had little to do with his war machine, yet paid heavily for bearing the name of the most famous dictator in our times.

Dan

Seems you just watched the same program I did on the History Channel.

Originally posted by Frogger
Dan

Seems you just watched the same program I did on the History Channel.
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Yes, I had never thought much about the influence on his relatives. Most informative.

Originally posted by Travh20
is not a joke OD, he really was all of those things. check it out.
LOL. :D

When a human dies, 'n we find out, we JUDGE 'EM...



We, ourselves, 'n the media...




Were they "GOOD?" "We'll MISS 'em!"



Were they "BAD?" "We're better off..."



www.no-defense-of-hitler,though.edu



www.he-wuz-as-bass-ass-ya-could-imagine.edu

Frogger

Physiologically speaking, you are correct. Psychologically, it can (not does or should, but can) cause a deep sense of inferiority that can manifest itself in many ways. I hope you agree that Hitler exhibited many symptoms of a classic inferiority complex (paranoia, self-delusion, megalomania, etc.). He is one of the great tragic figures of human history, impossible (for me, at least) to fathom. I think his personality is a little more understandable in this light.An inferiority complex is often unconscious, and is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate, resulting either in spectacular achievement or extreme antisocial behaviour.

Was Hitler's anti-Semitism due to Dr. Bloch, the Jewish physician who performed a mastectomy on Hitler's mother after she had breast cancer? If so, it was unconscious, since Hitler allowed Dr. Bloch to escape the holocaust. Was Hitler compensating for having only one testicle as Bromberg implies.

Hitler was an adolescent when his mother died from a long painful breast cancer. She was treated by a Jewish doctor, much of the treatment for this condition, at the time was painful. Hitler went through a period that started at the time of the death of his mother (1908), when he believed he had a 'special mission' This event can be seen as an early source of Hitler's fanatical hatred of the Jews:

It seems plausible that Adolf would have associated himself with his mother's suffering at the hands of a Jew. Throughout his life he had identified with his mother in many ways: her eyes, he had noticed, were the same as his; the loss of the left breast was a kind of complement to his missing left testicle; he identified her with the German Motherland it was his mission to save...

Few persons have been analyzed as thoroughly as Adolf Hitler. He present a clear case: To quote Norbert Bromberg, Adolf Hitler was "a narcissistic personality with paranoid features, functioning on a borderline personality level".

Many factors attributed to this development: His missing, left testicle, his disturbed childhood and youth and his traumatic experiences which happened at key phases in the evolution of his personality.

Dr. Norbert Bromberg, a retired psychoanalyst who was a clinical professor of psychiatry at Albert Einstein College of Medicine died at age 81 on April 8, 1988

Hitler had an inferiority complex and was trying to make up for the absent testicle by convincing the German people that they were the master race. Really what they were was one gigantic, metaphorical testicle. Do you realize how big you have to make something in order for it to fill the void of a missing testicle? Pretty damn big, I'd say - like master race big.

Hitler did a lot of good for the German people. With an extra testicle he may not have developed an inferiority complex that pushed him over the edge.

In Rosenbaum's survey are those biographers and historians who believe there is a physical or medical explanation for Hitler -- that an undescended testicle left him psychologically warped

Hitler was a man possessed by happenings in his life, maybe a chemical imbalance or a state of constant psychosis; he thought he was doing right when he was doing wrong.

It is well-known that one of the reasons for Hitler's strange relations to women derived from the lack of one testicle which made him distrust his manhood

Hitler had some sexual perversions so abhorrent to his women that it drove them to destroy themselves. In fact, of seven women who were intimately connected with Hitler, six committed suicide or seriously attempted to do so. Eva Braun made two attempts before her final effort succeeded.

It is claimed Hitler had only one testicle and never had satisfactory sex and he enjoyed having women defecate and urinate on him and claims he had an incestuous relationship with his niece Geli Raubal who later committed suicide. attempts to explain Hitler’s sex life will “inevitably remain speculative”.

Hitler's abnormal sexual development is an important factor in his behavior. "It is well known that Hitler's sex life was bizarre. As a young man, he repressed direct sexuality and projected his erotic energy in grandiose fantasies.

It’s interesting to consider that those who violate are responding to a part of themselves they find unacceptable. Adolph Hitler had one testicle that never descended. If had he believed in self who loved himself the way he was, he might have lived a very very different life.

In the [Holy Bible Of Jesus Christ] it says God judges those with only one testicle differently(It's true) ''Only god can judge Hitler''

[Deuteronomy 23:1]
if your testicles are crushed or your male member missing, you must never enter a sanctuary of the Lord

[Leviticus 21:20-23]
states that no man who has lost a testicle is allowed to approach the alter or make a food sacrifice to God.

What I would like you to do right now is to consider this statement: "Hitler is part of God's Almighty Plan

[Psalm 139:16]
God saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book

God never does anything accidentally, and he never makes mistakes. He has a reason for everything he creates. Every plant and every animal was planned by God, and every person was designed with a purpose in mind.

And don't forget Adolph Hitler. He was evil incarnate, and Hitler is well known for the atrocious things he did. Hitler's horrific actions such as the Holocaust and his conduct of a brutal war that he plunged the world.

World War II was obviously a major disaster WWII sent 60 million people to their graves -- perhaps the most horrific event the world has ever seen. It is safe to say that nearly every human being on planet Earth prayed to God that this war would end.

God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the Holocaust died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning.

In addition, this means that Hitler is blameless. Hitler was not "evil," because Hitler had no free will at all. Hitler was simply an actor forced to play his role in God's plan. God planned for millions of people to die in the Holocaust -- he planned their deaths in exact detail Hitler had to kill those people. Hitler was God's puppet in making that those millions of deaths happen right on schedule.

If what the Holy Bible says is true then Hitler cant go to hell because God will take full credit for his plan.

Well, you are not the only ones watching this channel, and everything about WW2, I spend a lot of time in front of the tube, and even though (as Frogger said) I am an old fart too, but since my younger years I seen and read a lot about WW2 and Hitler (Grandma passed it on to me, this curiosity and hunger for history), in spite of all these years, I am still clueless as to how could all these people (Nazis), have such disregard for other human beings, and at the same time be loving people with children and others.
I believe Germany could have won the whole war, and perhaps today all of us would be posting in German instead of English in this forum. If he would only have waited, and listened to his military staff, when they said "we'll be ready in 5 years from now", meaning to start the war in 1944. They would have been with such an arsenal of weapons, just imagine all the German jet fighters against the, by then, obsolete airplanes of the 1920's or 1930's that the other nations had. The invasion of Russia simply killed his hopes, and Russia recovered in spite of Stalin.

But this thread is about Hitler, the common man... and, as I said, I am still clueless, though there was something messianic about him deep in his mind, in the twisted sense of the meaning anyway.

Hitler could have owned all of Europe, pretty much without interference from anyone had he not decided to attack England & Russia. He bit off more than he could chew way to soon.

Seems to me that Germany had England fairly well beaten but for some inexplicable reason let their advantage slip thru their hands at Dunkirk.
Why did Hitler give the order to Guderian to not advance?...I don't believe he ever really desired war with England at all.

Ultimately, Germany couldn't finish off England because they could never achieve the air superiority necessary to pull off a seaborne invasion.

What I would like you to do right now is to consider this statement: "Hitler is part of God's Almighty Plan

[Psalm 139:16]
God saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book

God never does anything accidentally, and he never makes mistakes. He has a reason for everything he creates. Every plant and every animal was planned by God, and every person was designed with a purpose in mind.

And don't forget Adolph Hitler. He was evil incarnate, and Hitler is well known for the atrocious things he did. Hitler's horrific actions such as the Holocaust and his conduct of a brutal war that he plunged the world.

God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the Holocaust died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning.

In addition, this means that Hitler is blameless. Hitler was not "evil," because Hitler had no free will at all. Hitler was simply an actor forced to play his role in God's plan. God planned for millions of people to die in the Holocaust -- he planned their deaths in exact detail Hitler had to kill those people. Hitler was God's puppet in making that those millions of deaths happen right on schedule.

If what the Holy Bible says is true then Hitler can't go to hell because God will take full credit for his plan.

If it was God's plan, since you bring about the Christian book (The Bible), you forget "FREE WILL", still he had a choice ...

He can also be claimed by the so-called "pro-life" movement, cultural conservatives, opponents of feminism, union busters, militarists, patriots, anti-communists, anti-immigration activists, religious types generally... Don't forget the zionists. All the current anti-muslim BS wouldn't be possible without OBL...

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm

“We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“.It was Jacob Klatzkin, the second of two political Zionist ideologists in Germany at the time, where the Jews of Germany were enjoying full political and civil rights.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/index.cfm

Hitler could have owned all of Europe, pretty much without interference from anyone had he not decided to attack England & Russia.Hitler would have been quite happy to not fight England. In fact, he was surprised by the British Declaration of War made by Neville Chamberlain on 3 September 1939.

The assessment and judgement of Adolf Hitler will change as time passes. Immediately after the war he was evil incarnate with absolutely no redeeming qualities. Now that the war is more than fifty years in the past he is viewed as a highly flawed individual who while responsible for evil deeds at least did some things that were not evil.

The ancient Romans considered Alaric totally evil. The medieval Europeans felt the same about Ghenghis Khan. With time their places in history have changed. The same will be true of Hitler. While he committed too many evil acts to ever be totally rehabilitated his place in history will change with time.

That could very well be....like many men of history, he suffered from an ego complex and grew to believe he was godlike and attempted to take on their attributes.
Yet nothing so inspires the gods' wrath--- a human attempting to become like one of them.

Too bad he didn't read more Greek mythology---he actually grew to believe his own press.

A deeply flawed individual but a mistake to call him a monster. He was human like me or you...perhaps if things had gone differently for him in his childhood we never would have heard of this man---but then again, it may have been someone else. Conditions in Germany at that time were ripe for some such as he.

http://hitlercats.motime.com/

Maybe Hitlers came back as a cat?

What an insult to the feline world.

If it was God's plan, since you bring about the Christian book (The Bible), you forget "FREE WILL", still he had a choice ...I dont think there was free will for Hitler, His life was predicted over 300 years ago by a famous prophet

Nostradamus (December 14, 1503 – July 2, 1566), was one of the world's most famous authors of prophecies.

Throughout Nostradamus' quatrains he speaks of three powerful and tyrannical leaders that he calls anti-Christs. Napaulon Roy, Hister and Mabus.

The second anti-Christ (Hister) Nostradamus wrote about was "a man stained with murder...the great enemy of the human race...one who was worse than any who had gone before...bloody and inhuman."

Out of the deepest part of the west of Europe,
From poor people a young child shall be born,
Who with his tongue shall seduce many people,
His fame shall increase in the Eastern Kingdom.

Adolf Hitler, born in Austria of poor parents, with his knowledge and powers of speech, was successful in seducing many people , even in the Eastern Empire of Japan . In some quatrains Nostradamus refers to Hister as the child or sometimes captain of Germany.

He shall come to tyrannize the land.
He shall raise up a hatred that had long been dormant.
The child of Germany observes no law.
Cries, and tears, fire, blood, and battle.

A captain of Germany shall come to yield himself by false hope,
So that his revolt shall cause great bloodshed.

All of these images certainly describe Adolf Hitler. After seducing his people, Hitler ignored all treaties and began a massive invasion of Europe .

Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers
The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister

Finally, Nostradamus sums up Hitler's life and even predicts the fact that his death in Berlin in 1945 would never be satisfactorily confirmed:

Near the Rhine from the Austrian mountains
Will be born a great man of the people, come too late.
A man who will defend Poland and Hungary
And whose fate will never be certain

Whoa!! That sure sounds like Hitler! and shocking cause all these predictions were made over 300 years ago before Adolph Hitler was born and it makes me wonder was there free will for Hitler cause his life unfolded almost exactly like some famous prophet said it would. Hitler was an anti-christ/Evil. Could Nostradamus have foresaw ''Gods Almighty Plan''

1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 HOLY BIBLE
You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men

First, it is important to state that Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ. Rather, they believe that he was a false Messiah, or a liar. This is what the Bible states about those who do not accept Jesus:

Can God hold a grudge forever?

Psalm 139:16 HOLY BIBLE
God saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
~~ Adolf Hitler ~~

Yes, Hitler was a Christian. He believed in God
http://www.examinethetruth.com/hitler.htm

Hitler always did what he thought was right. He was moral and believed in God. In fact he believed in God and in Jesus Christ. but he used Christianity to justify the evil he did against Jews and other people.

The Bible makes it very clear, that if you don’t love Jesus, your God is the devil. Therefore, the Jews worship the Devil and are evil. This of course, does not apply to Muslims, because Muslims believe in and love Jesus Christ.

I don’t believe the Jews are "evil" and worship the devil, I personally think that is crazy, but this is what the Bible clearly teaches.

Where was God when the 6 million Jews were being murdered. God is almighty and powerful Why didn't he stop Hitler

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Near the Rhine from the Austrian mountains
Will be born a great man of the people, come too late.
A man who will defend Poland and Hungary
And whose fate will never be certain

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Nostradamus' quatrains can be read and interpreted many many ways.

A man that will defend Poland?
That's an odd take on what really happened.

[i]Several years ago the Russians released the findings of the autopsy performed on Hitlers' remains (previously a state secret for some reason maybe Redstar could explain). They found that Hitler had only one dropped testicle, the other still recessed in his abdomen. Explains alot, don't you think?A missing left testicle is the main ingredient for making a Hitler

I did a thorough search on the internet about Hitler, heres what i got to say

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1822637&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH inferiority complex caused by loss of testicle

Inferiority complexes are not frequent, 81.2% of the men do not suffer from inferiority complexes and the remaining 18% suffer from an inferiority complex associated with the loss of the testicle or inadequate ejaculation of semen.

If Hitler had only one testicle then there would be an 18% chance he developed an Inferiority Complex

An inferiority complex, in the fields of psychology and psychoanalysis, is a feeling that one is inferior to others in some way. It is often unconscious, and is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate, resulting either in spectacular achievement or extreme antisocial behaviour.

Hitler went to the extremes to compensate

Hitler did a lot of good for the German people. With an extra testicle he may not have developed an inferiority complex that pushed him over the edge.

Hitler had an inferiority complex and was trying to make up for the absent testicle by convincing the German people that they were the master race. Really what they were was one gigantic, metaphorical testicle. Do you realize how big you have to make something in order for it to fill the void of a missing testicle? Pretty damn big, I'd say - like master race big.

http://www.wwii-collectibles.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/grp202.jpg
The Nazi motto,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer
(one people, one empire, one leader).
reflected the standard threefold power circles of the occult.

I think in hitler eyes what the Nazi motto really meant was:bombout:
"One Man, One Testicle, One Mission" to compensate at all cost:woohoo: (Holocaust) Yea thats sick and twisted

Deuteronomy 23:1 HOLY BIBLE
if your testicles are crushed or your male member missing, you must never enter a sanctuary of the Lord

Leviticus 21:20-23 HOLY BIBLE
states that no man who has lost a testicle is allowed to approach the alter or make a food sacrifice to God.

Dudes not going to heaven:lolhit:

Hitler turned Germany into a powerful war machine and started World War II in 1939.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monorchism
It has been claimed that both Hitler and Napoleon were afflicted by such a lack of symmetry, and suggested that this may have played a role in their particular psychological makeup.

In the fields of psychology and psychoanalysis, Napoleon complex (or Napoleon syndrome) is a colloquial term used to describe a type of inferiority complex suffered by people who are short.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex


It just shows some people with inferiority complexes go to extremes to compensate.

Several years ago the Russians released the findings of the autopsy performed on Hitlers' remains (previously a state secret for some reason maybe Redstar could explain). They found that Hitler had only one dropped testicle, the other still recessed in his abdomen. Explains alot, don't you think?There have been books written about the German Dictator's lack of a left testicle

Explaining Hitler : The Search for the Origins of His Evil
The author provides compelling testimony refuting the oft-repeated claim that Hitler had one undescended testicle.

The Psychopathic God : Adolph Hitler by Robert G.L. Waite.
Waite believed Hitler's left testicle either failed to descend at puberty or was missing at birth. He regarded the deficiency as one of the formative experiences of Hitler's life, and said it contributed to all manner of psychosexual complications. He stopped short, however, of saying it caused World War II.

The vast majority of Nostradamus' predictions were made up in the last two decades.

Nostradamus

What a load of old cobblers.

People actually put faith in that rubbish.

Isnt it fair to say,whoever he was,he's the best thing to happen to the United States in the 20th Century. Before WW2 the US was coming out of the shock of the Depression,and still adopted an isolationist stance. By September 1939,all the old European Empires were getting ready for carving up Europe,once again.To make a long story short,after Poland fell,and the invasion of France,the British dragged the US into the conflict,it probally would have joined eventually anyway,but after America and USSR defeated Germany the US never looked back,the war sort of kick started the economy,and the US has become the power it is today,infact the only loser in WW2 seems to have been the British...

Bacala: "Ya know, Quasimodo predicted all this."

Tony: "Who did what?"

Bacala: "All these problems, the Middle East, the end of the world."

Tony: "Nostradamus... Quasimodo's the hunchback of Notre Dame."

Bacala: "Oh, right. Notre Damus."

Tony: "Nostradamus... and Notre Dame. It's two different things completely."

What a load of old cobblers.
Load of cobblers? How intriguing! *writes down new expression*

Could be that Hitler just did not have the inhibition barrier that most of us have. We all have likes and dislikes. Hitler just carried his a bit further.
Most of us have certain dislikes that if we could push a button they would all go away. Then we get over it.
Hitler just built the button and pushed it.

Isnt it fair to say,whoever he was,he's the best thing to happen to the United States in the 20th Century. Before WW2 the US was coming out of the shock of the Depression,and still adopted an isolationist stance. By September 1939,all the old European Empires were getting ready for carving up Europe,once again.To make a long story short,after Poland fell,and the invasion of France,the British dragged the US into the conflict,it probally would have joined eventually anyway,but after America and USSR defeated Germany the US never looked back,the war sort of kick started the economy,and the US has become the power it is today,infact the only loser in WW2 seems to have been the British...

England and France lost their respective colonies as a result of WW2. America and Canada were the only participants that survived the war with their industrial base intact. America also emerged from the war as the only country with the atom bomb. That instantly made America the worlds only superpower. Russia became a superpower a few years later when they also acquired the bomb.

Thank you Imagineer,like I said Adolf was the best thing to happen to America in the 20th centuary.

Thank you Imagineer,like I said Adolf was the best thing to happen to America in the 20th centuary.http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy#Sourced

After visiting Berchtesgaden and Kehlsteinhaus, you can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.
John F. Kennedy

:lolhit::rant::woohoo:

Lets just not get carried away here tho.Hitler committed crimes against humanity on an industrial scale and changed the cultural identity of Eastern Europe forever.

well after a few years of us british fighting those nazi's u americans decided to help near the end after that perl harbour bombing and the germans were increadibly close to manking the nuke because i forget now eaither americans who im guessing or british infiltrated a pplant were they were making heavy water i tihnk it was called other wise the germans would have nuked us or you first.

You say the Americans 'helped near the end',I would suggest,The US,and USSR defeated Germany,with help from the British.

we were at war with germany way before u came in

Yes you were and not all that effectively.

Adolf took his attention away from invading GB and moved it towards Russia,that was the fatal decision of WW2,opening 2 fronts.