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Synthetic
10-27-2005, 03:08 PM
A coach at a Texas college said that his team was failing because it didn't have any blacks on it.

He said blacks on average have better runing skills and are better athletes(statistically). Well allot of people got in an uproar clalling him a racist.

I say he isn't, he didn't negate or put down anyone. He definetly isn't any sort of a bigot although his IQ could use a few points.
I say what he said was inappropriate and unprofesional. Anyone knows it's not TV friendly to make such remarks in the 21st century.

Echo2
10-27-2005, 03:20 PM
In this day and age telling the truth about minorities can get you in big trouble. Best to just keep quiet.

rendova
10-27-2005, 03:35 PM
Racists can be of any color, race, creed or religious pursuasion.

I've seen a few shows by black "comedians" on HBO (didn't watch long, tho, as I snapped the tv off) whose entire monologue consists of racist remarks made about whitey. It's old, in poor taste, and about as funny as a screen door on a submarine. The audience howls in laughter. (?)

If it were a white guy up there making rude remarks he'd be booed off the stage.

500lbguerilla
10-27-2005, 03:56 PM
Who'd of guessed. Decades of 'breeding' slaves to be large and muscular result in exactly such...

HaVoK
10-27-2005, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Who'd of guessed. Decades of 'breeding' slaves to be large and muscular result in exactly such... A little more than a decade ago Jimmy "the Greek", a football prognosticator, got himself fired for making the same observation as you just did. Seems some blacks dont even want the truth said about the past, unless they are the ones saying it.

Imagineer
10-28-2005, 01:12 AM
To judge someone by racial stereotypes is always wrong. It is wrong even when the stereotype is positive. The reason it is wrong is that you are assuming something about an individual, without any real information. Here is an example of how a positive stereotype can negatively affect an individual. It is a stereotype that asians are really smart. An Asian student, therefore, who is having trouble with a course may be percieved as lazy, and not offered the extra tutoring that he (or she) needs to master the subject.
Interesting example offered in the first post. I wonder what people make of the fact that the Houston Astros had no African-Americans on their roster in the World Series this year.

In Odder Words
10-28-2005, 05:27 AM
Racism still exists.



The reason freedom of speech ain't equal is 'cuz PEOPLE ain't yet equal. It breeds suspicion too often about WHAT wuz said instead of WHY it wuz said...



People ain't close no more, so suspicion is rampant...




But ya already KNEW that ya Capitalist lackey dawg, didn't ya?



;)




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mad dog
10-28-2005, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by rendova
I've seen a few shows by black "comedians" on HBO (didn't watch long, tho, as I snapped the tv off) whose entire monologue consists of racist remarks made about whitey. It's old, in poor taste, and about as funny as a screen door on a submarine. The audience howls in laughter. (?)

If it were a white guy up there making rude remarks he'd be booed off the stage.

I've seen a few shows like this, it gets old reeeeal fast!!! I was watching a lesbian comedian the other night and she started in on the homosexual garbage, just like you said about as funny as a screen door on a sub.

Synthetic, lets change what happened. Example teacher on a debate team, "We can't win all our kids are blacks we need some whites." How fast do you think that sh** would hit the fan???

Napsterbater
10-30-2005, 08:01 PM
There is a difference there. One was a statement backed up by some pretty solid statistics and anecdotal evidence, the other was backed up by nothing but hate.

I blame the stupid state of Texas. Ain't nothing but steers and queers ever come from there.

(DISCLAIMER: The above was a joke, meant to illustrate the difference. Don't hate me.)

Researcher
10-31-2005, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Who'd of guessed. Decades of 'breeding' slaves to be large and muscular result in exactly such...

Its the point that individuals want to forget, on both sides, that other human beings in this country were treated like animals. The proof of this is in the selected breeding programs and the work conditions found on plantations.

It is a shameful pat that individuals want to forget because some folk do not want to think that there folkw were connected whith such a shameful act. While other individuals want to forget that there people were treated as less than human.

If one looks at the situation of the breeding programs, one will also have to look at the mental conditioning that the slaves were subjected to as well.

Could open up a whole can or worms tha tfolk do not want to look at or try fix.

Lungdop Philing
10-31-2005, 01:18 PM
Speaking of racism ... how about Brit Hume telling Juan Williams that someone should hose him down ...

Whoa boy -- that's racism at it's best

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/30.html#a5618

Evil Homer
10-31-2005, 05:22 PM
Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

His comment WAS in fact racist in that he was asserting blacks to be superior to whites, at least in the field of athletics.

On the notes of stereotypes, keep in mind, while often wrong, they all started off with a truth.

Finally, dop, i dont see how that was a racist comment. With, "Somebody needs to hose you down on this issue here..." I take that to mean the same as "cut you down to size," "give you a wake up call" etc. Perhaps im missing something though.

mad dog
11-01-2005, 08:26 AM
Napster I don't see the difference, there are strong athletic whites just the same as there are blacks. There are also smart blacks just the same as smart whites. It seems that it is okay for someone to say get him on the team because he's black so he must be good at sports. If this were reversed it would be racist against blacks. Maybe the coach should have said "We are failing because I'm a dumb arse and I don't have a physically fit team."

mad dog
11-01-2005, 08:31 AM
Researcher;

Do you think it is people wanting to forget, or is it the fact that people are getting sick of dwelling on the past? Lets face it there are those that keep using the past as an excuse not to make a better future. I don't think the past will be forgot, but it should not be used as a crutch.

HaVoK
11-01-2005, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by In Odder Words
Racism still exists.



The reason freedom of speech ain't equal is 'cuz PEOPLE ain't yet equal. It breeds suspicion too often about WHAT wuz said instead of WHY it wuz said...



People ain't close no more, so suspicion is rampant...




But ya already KNEW that ya Capitalist lackey dawg, didn't ya?



;)




www.michael-jackson-won-in-court-'cuz-it-became-difficult-ta-black-male-him.edu



www.there, now-excuse-my-occasionall-bad-spellz.edu Yep, racism still exists. No denying that. However, its not just "whitey" that harbors racist views. Until we embrace the fact that everyone is racist, we will never even begin to find ways to battle it.

Napsterbater
11-02-2005, 07:18 AM
Napster I don't see the difference, there are strong athletic whites just the same as there are blacks. There are also smart blacks just the same as smart whites.

They exist. So what? Statistically speaking, there are more strong, athletic blacks than there are whites, as an evolutionary response to a warlike existance in the African savannah. Black culture respects athletic ability more than white culture, which values economic ability primarily. The mere act of pointing it out doesn't make me a racist. It is the hate behind the words, the emotional backdrop, that makes a person a racist, something that is absent from the coach's words. This is a case of people jumping on his dick for no reason.

I doubt that there were a whole lot of black people, if any, among his accusers. It's just the PC police stepping into people's business.

If the situation were reversed, the facts wouldn't bear out what the coach would be saying, because they speak the exact opposite. Black people pride themselves on their athletic ability, and much of the battle for civil rights was fought through sports. Remember Muhammed Ali?

What if he said the exact same thing, only his team was full of black people, provoking a bunch of "Hell, yeahs!" amongst his team? Just a little banter to lighten up practice. Nothing to see here, move on.

saycricket
11-02-2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by mad dog
Do you think it is people wanting to forget, or is it the fact that people are getting sick of dwelling on the past? Lets face it there are those that keep using the past as an excuse not to make a better future. I don't think the past will be forgot, but it should not be used as a crutch.

*applause* I completely agree.

Frogger
11-02-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Speaking of racism ... how about Brit Hume telling Juan Williams that someone should hose him down ...

Whoa boy -- that's racism at it's best

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/30.html#a5618

Er, LP, exactly what was the racist statement? Are you suggesting that the word hose is perhaps racist? Maybe the term, 'hose you down', has some hidden meaning beside, you are getting a bit too hot and bothered and need to be cooled off.

Some people look for racism where it doesn't exist.

If you want to see examples of real racism, look at the thread dealing with black politicians and the Lt. Governor of Maryland.

500lbguerilla
11-02-2005, 05:32 PM
http://katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4016414

I thought this was interesting. Seemingly racist at first but it not and for good reason.