Vile, Astra and others, I've used the name Iceman in the past and couldn't remember the guys real name. Well I found it, it is Richard Kuklinski. You can do a search on this guy it will bring up all kinds of stuff. He was a real bad dude, he claims he killed over 200 people, the officials can prove more then 50.

I was thinking about this because of the other post about the mom throwing her kids into the bay. When I say that someone should be put down these are the types of folks I'm speaking about. What can these killers do to help our society grow and improve{maybe help with population control :D {bad joke}}? Without getting into the whole DP debate again, what are your feelings about these types of people? To me these killers have no place, they can not help society become better{more peacefull}. They are scary and promote nothing but harm to others. I feel they do have something wrong mentally{I could be wrong} that we can not fix and may never be able to. The only way to help them would be to give them a lobotomy and that may not do anything. Also in the past people like the Iceman were rulers they instilled fear, so much fear that folks would kiss their feet and hope to be saved. Are these killers outdated rulers? Are they something genetically created by nature outdated by modern man. Remember the saying only the strong will survive, well if everyone is afraid of you then who has the better chance of surviving? Do these people really have a mental problem or is this the way they are suppose to be?

I say when someone exhibits a total disregard for innocent human life give them a lethal injection.

I compare it to a dog that gets rabies. He is put down to protect others. The dog has no control over the disease. He contracted the disease not by choice, yet he is incurable. Shit happens.
I can feel sorry for the dog, as I would a person put down.

It was implied to "cure" the person and allow them to suffer mentally later for something that would not have been their fault due to a mental condition. Would this be the right thing?

Since it has never been proven to me that there is a cure, this option does not come into play.

Some will say to let god punish the killer. I say that since god seems to cover the area after death, send him\her on the next load.

I am in full agreement with this, Dan.

I see it more as treating people by their own values.

I've always said "the world would be perfect if everyone was treated according to their values"

This is no different

I disagree.

No matter how heinous the crime, the death penalty should not be the final word.

I don't feel this way because of what it does to the criminal but because of what it does to society.

If someone were to kill or rape a member of my family I would do all in my power to kill them. I would do it in the white hot rage of the moment. I can understand killing under a circumstance like that.

When the state kills by execution, it is not in a white hot rage but in cold calculation. In my opinion this dehumanizes the state and we as citizens of the state.

Thanks for the info mad dog, but it will not change my mind about the DP.

People like the baby-tosser in SF are suffering from severe mental illness. My father was a paranoid schizophrenic. It's only a matter of fate that he didn't do something felonious while in one of his darker periods. These people are not responsible for what they do, any more than a small child is. They have a tenuous grasp on reality. The idea of killing such people is anathema to me.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
I say when someone exhibits a total disregard for innocent human life give them a lethal injection.

I agree, also do it in a timely fashion none of this sitting on deathrow for 10-20-30yrs.

I compare it to a dog that gets rabies. He is put down to protect others. The dog has no control over the disease. He contracted the disease not by choice, yet he is incurable. Shit happens.
I can feel sorry for the dog, as I would a person put down.

I also feel for the killer, but justice does need to happen. Maybe if there was 100% cure then things could be different, but until that day comes the only 100% justice is death.

It was implied to "cure" the person and allow them to suffer mentally later for something that would not have been their fault due to a mental condition. Would this be the right thing?

This is also what I was wondering should the killer be made into a walking zombe? If so then is it any better then death?

Since it has never been proven to me that there is a cure, this option does not come into play.

I'm sure if there was a perfect cure society would know about it.

Some will say to let god punish the killer. I say that since god seems to cover the area after death, send him\her on the next load.

Or maybe God would serve equal justice and have the killer come back and end up being a victim?

Originally posted by Frogger
I disagree.

No matter how heinous the crime, the death penalty should not be the final word.

We have had this debate many times on here what is your reason for not having the DP?

I don't feel this way because of what it does to the criminal but because of what it does to society.

What does it do to society except make it safer. A killer that is put to death will not kill again this is a fact.

If someone were to kill or rape a member of my family I would do all in my power to kill them. I would do it in the white hot rage of the moment. I can understand killing under a circumstance like that.

I think allmost everyone would understand that.

When the state kills by execution, it is not in a white hot rage but in cold calculation. In my opinion this dehumanizes the state and we as citizens of the state.

There is a big difference between rage, revenge, and carrying out justice. The DP is a form of justice that 100% solves the problem. Also if someone is a killer they will not change, they get their high from killing. So by killing the killer you are still stopping the crime/s. Just because Joe killer is not killing today does not mean he won't kill tomorrow.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Thanks for the info mad dog, but it will not change my mind about the DP.

I don't want you to change your mind because of me or others opinion. I feel it is a stronger person that can stick to their guns and stand up for what they believe. Even if they are wrong, :D just kidding

People like the baby-tosser in SF are suffering from severe mental illness. My father was a paranoid schizophrenic. It's only a matter of fate that he didn't do something felonious while in one of his darker periods. These people are not responsible for what they do, any more than a small child is. They have a tenuous grasp on reality. The idea of killing such people is anathema to me.

Like I said I really wasn't trying to start the whole DP debate again, I quess it will come up in a thread like this. I was just wondering what folks ideas are about these types of people{serial killers etc...} Was there a Gene built into the human of years ago that gave them this type of thought? Alot of the rulers from yesteryear tortured and killed as a form of entertainment, this in turn also showed they had the brass nutz that it took to have power. Are killers some sort of forgotten type of human? There are all types of people in this world and we are made up of what our ancesters were. Did nature purposely make some humans killers? If so then this would help explain why some people kill today. They have not evloved with the main flow and are sort of a lost soul without a purpose?

I say they should dowse him in gasoline and throw a match his direction. End of problem.

BTW, Dan, I fully concur. I know for absolute certain (that is without hesitation) that if someone hurt a family member of mine, I could easily blowtorch them until their remains were crispy.