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LionelHutz
10-11-2005, 06:27 PM
According to ABC News, many conservative Christians are pointing to the movie March of the Penguins as a good example of monogamy (huh?) and intelligent design. So I have a quote from Roger Ebert's review:

After a long summer of feasting, their bodies stately and plump, the emperor penguins of Antarctica begin to feel, toward autumn, a need to march inland to the breeding grounds "where each and every one of them was born." They are all of a mind about this, and walk in single file, thousands of them, in a column miles long.

. . .

This is not a casual commitment. After the female delivers one large egg, the male gathers it into a fold of his abdomen, plants his feet to protect the egg from the ice below, and then stands there for two months with no food or water, in howling gales, at temperatures far below zero, in total darkness, huddled together with the other fathers for warmth. The females meanwhile, march all the way back to the sea, now even more distant, to forage for food, which they will bring when the spring comes, if they know it must.

That's intelligent design? Wouldn't it have been more intelligent to give them some hands so that they could dig holes in the snow near the ocean to avoid the exposure and all of that marching?

Evakian
10-11-2005, 06:36 PM
According to ABC News, many conservative Christians are pointing to the movie March of the Penguins as a good example of monogamy (huh?) and intelligent design.

I am as bewildered as you.

They are all of a mind about this, and walk in single file, thousands of them, in a column miles long.

Oh my my, the penguins have been taking cues from christian fascists.

and then stands there for two months with no food or water, in howling gales, at temperatures far below zero, in total darkness, huddled together with the other fathers for warmth.

They must've gotten kicked out of the house(with the kids, since the ladies are experiencing some PMS), and are gathered at their single buddy's house to watch some football. ;)

Blibblob
10-11-2005, 06:38 PM
Monogamy?
Penguins take a new mate every mating season(which is about every 4 years I believe). Not only that, but penguins sometimes try and steal another's young!

DanF
10-11-2005, 09:51 PM
If, a penguin could think. He might consider it unintelligent design, as he freezes his ass off.

mad dog
10-12-2005, 08:03 AM
take a good hard look at the most unintelligent design humans We are suppose to be able to learn and use what we learn but look at what we do to our own house{earth}. The old saying comes to mind why would you sh** where you eat!!!!!!!!!!!

Moral Satire
10-28-2005, 12:15 PM
To me, this seems less like a good example of monogamy and more like the makings of a feminist movement.

'Look at penguins, the male stays and takes care of the kids, by sacrificing the need to have a life they raise a kid so the women can be the breadwinners.'

One more reason I'm glad not to be a penguin.

Blob
10-28-2005, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Moral Satire
One more reason I'm glad not to be a penguin.
"One more"? Sounds like you have dwelt on the pros and cons of being a penguin! ;)

Moral Satire
10-28-2005, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Blob
"One more"? Sounds like you have dwelt on the pros and cons of being a penguin! ;)

Who hasn't? Everybody goes through that stage in there life, don't they? They're worried about how they may be a penguin, or if they are at least curious about it... then they have to worry about how their parents will react and everything else... terrible phase to go through...
But everybody goes through a sort of species identity issue when they are younger right?

Blob
10-28-2005, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Moral Satire
Who hasn't? Everybody goes through that stage in there life, don't they? They're worried about how they may be a penguin, or if they are at least curious about it... then they have to worry about how their parents will react and everything else... terrible phase to go through...
But everybody goes through a sort of species identity issue when they are younger right?
I'm not sure they do, Moral Satire. You are perhaps unique in that. But that's good, we like original thinkers here on the Religion & Philosophy forum! ;)

Napsterbater
10-29-2005, 07:57 PM
Well, everyone but Blibblob and Vile. ;)

Dio Seijuro
11-10-2005, 12:28 PM
I think one interesting about intelligent design is that, even if one accepts it completely, in no way does it point to or provide evidence as to what the designer's characteristics are, only that something made other things.

That freaking Something can be anything. Any diety in any thiesm. Any non-thiestic entity. The Universal Consciousness. Whatever. Compared to for example evolution theory, intelligent design doesn't really...help us learn much more beyond its core claim. It doesn't make sense to say: intelligent design, therefore Jesus Christ. That's as valid as saying: intelligent design, therefore Mal Homles II, builder of the 34th Universe.

Blob
11-10-2005, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Dio Seijuro
That freaking Something can be anything. Any diety in any thiesm. Any non-thiestic entity. A lot of theist are actually proud of that fact. "You SEE! ID is science not religion..."

500lbguerilla
11-10-2005, 02:13 PM
The Universal Consciousness Or a universal unconsciousness IE: the laws of physics.

What if "god" was merely a being who created pure matter from any and every thought it had. Suppose the Universe was but a fleeting notion that it/god has never revisted. I bet ID'ers would flip their lid at such a notion.

LionelHutz
11-10-2005, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Dio Seijuro
I think one interesting about intelligent design is that, even if one accepts it completely, in no way does it point to or provide evidence as to what the designer's characteristics are, only that something made other things.

While that's quite true, the only people passionately pushing ID are conservative Christians. I'm sorry, but they clearly have an ulterior motive.