A mayor in Georgia is catching flack for flying a Mexican flag at half staff at city hall in observance of six immigrant workers slain in robberies. The criticism is that the American flag should not fly together with the Mexican flag.

I do not understand what the objection is.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_re_us/georgia_killings_flag


I am a Mexican-American citizen and regularly display both flags. I realize that I am not a political figure, but really what is the problem with showing respect to citizens that are part of that community?

Originally posted by Divalatina
A mayor in Georgia is catching flack for flying a Mexican flag at half staff at city hall in observance of six immigrant workers slain in robberies. The criticism is that the American flag should not fly together with the Mexican flag.

I do not understand what the objection is.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_re_us/georgia_killings_flag


I am a Mexican-American citizen and regularly display both flags. I realize that I am not a political figure, but really what is the problem with showing respect to citizens that are part of that community?

Hello Diva,
Personally I have no problem with the flying of the Mexican flag to show respect towards those killed..however, this may be causing some contention because the flags (both US and Mexican) are not displayed properly.
Here's a link to US flag etiquette and how to properly display our flag when it is flown with other flags.

http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html

From your site:

When flown with flags of states, communities, or societies on separate flag poles which are of the same height and in a straight line, the flag of the United States is always placed in the position of honor - to its own right.
..The other flags may be smaller but none may be larger.
..No other flag ever should be placed above it.
..The flag of the United States is always the first flag raised and the last to be lowered.

When flown with the national banner of other countries, each flag must be displayed from a separate pole of the same height. Each flag should be the same size. They should be raised and lowered simultaneously. The flag of one nation may not be displayed above that of another nation.


I do not see where the article indicated that they were not flown properly.

Generally, it's a symbol of hatred (or a lesser form of) or dominance of another when a flag of one country is flown below one of another country on the same pole.

I understand that point about HOW the flags are supposed to be flow in accordance with "flag etiquette". What I do not see is any place in the article that says that were not flown in compliance.

I saw nothing in the article indicating how the flag or flags were flown. It was my assumption that perhaps our flag was flown improperly and it was this that was causing the dissension.

However, this was a City Hall building , thus representing government on the local, state, and US level, so perhaps this was why it caused dissension. It has always been my understanding that nothing but the US flag should be flown in front of a US government institution.

What about the Confederate flag? Is there a problem with the Confederate flag being flown alongside the US flag? I had an idea, of course it was never mentioned, that the Confederate flag had to come down in order to put this flag up. Just speculation.

My thoughts on this are pretty simple. If you're to fly another nation's flag on American soil, fine, go ahead, but DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, fly it here without having paid the proper respect to the nation you’re in. If you want to display a Mexican flag, then do it underneath the American flag. The flag shouldn't be any larger, and neither one of them should ever be neglected. I have a problem when I see certain cars sporting a Mexican flag here without an American one. I think it's disrespectful, and I think it's incredibly tacky. I mean, after all, what country are we in? In short, I wouldn't go to Mexico and fly an American flag because I'd have too much respect for Mexico and the people that live there. Why they do it here, I'll never understand, but it REALLY pisses me off. I think it would behoove all of us to have a little respect, don’t you?

Originally posted by Divalatina
What about the Confederate flag? Is there a problem with the Confederate flag being flown alongside the US flag?
Absolutely. They lost. Outside of memorial ceremonies, I don't think it should be flown, period.
Originally posted by Divalatina
I had an idea, of course it was never mentioned, that the Confederate flag had to come down in order to put this flag up. Just speculation.
No, you're totally right.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I think it would behoove all of us to have a little respect, don’t you?


Abso freaking lutely!

File this thread in the DUH folder ...

Go to mexico and tell them to fly the stars and stripes alongside their flag with even or superior honor.

You'll immediatelly find out the meaning of the word gringo ... like muy pronto ... ahora mismo.

The Mexican flag was flown at half staff and there is nothing saying that it was larger than the American flag.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
File this thread in the DUH folder ...

Go to mexico and tell them to fly the stars and stripes alongside their flag with even or superior honor.

You'll immediatelly find out the meaning of the word gringo ... like muy pronto ... ahora mismo. Excellent point. Just like the rest of the world, Mexico/Mexicans expect total acceptance of their culture but would never do the same were the roles reversed.

I'd hate to be the dumb american who waives the American flag down in Mexico. He/she would either end up pulverized or kidnapped. Most likely the latter, IMO.

Obviously, you have never been to Mexico as the American flag is flown in many conspicuous places.

Obviously, you have never been to Mexico as the American flag is flown in many conspicuous places.

Unless you traveled to every place in mexico and kept records of this, it is irrelevant. Firsthand experiences do not blow off facts and expert speculation.
I can go to Canada and if i were to drive down a road in Toronto, and saw 19 Chinese-Canadians out of the 23 people i saw...that is not an accurate measurement of the race of the country of Canada.

Just like the rest of the world, Mexico/Mexicans expect total acceptance of their culture but would never do the same were the roles reversed.

I LOVE it. They pour in illegally and then demand we learn their language. How do you say: when in Rome, do as the Romans, in spanish? :D

If i were to go work and live in Mexico City, would the people their bow to my wishes and speak my native tongue? No, they will let me do the job of learning theirs, it makes far more sense.

Originally posted by Evakian

Unless you traveled to every place in mexico and kept records of this, it is irrelevant. Firsthand experiences do not blow off facts and expert speculation.



Please tell me what the EXPERT speculation is here regarding the fact that Mexico does fly the American flag in many prominent areas?

Originally posted by Evakian

I LOVE it. They pour in illegally and then demand we learn their language. How do you say: when in Rome, do as the Romans, in spanish? :D



Sticking to the topic makes debating so much easier. This was a discussion about raising a flag in remembrance of 6 slain workers. Not higher, not larger than our own flag.

Please tell me what the EXPERT speculation is here regarding the fact that Mexico does fly the American flag in many prominent areas?

Discounting the embassy, hotels, factories, and other institutions that are tied to America?

Telling me that the average mexican citizen parades about with American flags on his shop, house, and car make me cringe in disbelief. :D

Originally posted by Divalatina
What about the Confederate flag? Is there a problem with the Confederate flag being flown alongside the US flag? I had an idea, of course it was never mentioned, that the Confederate flag had to come down in order to put this flag up. Just speculation.
I don't know if the Confederate flag "came down" in order to put up a Mexican flag, but if it did, I see no problem with this. There is nothing wrong with honoring the brave dead of that state, and Georgia most assuredly took a beating in the American Civil War.

Sticking to the topic makes debating so much easier.

Then you will be saddened to discover that many debates, especially here at Allforums, do not stay on track, reach resolution, or sometimes even discuss it. ;)

Originally posted by Evakian


Discounting the embassy, hotels, factories, and other institutions that are tied to America?

Telling me that the average mexican citizen parades about with American flags on his shop, house, and car make me cringe in disbelief. :D


If we can remember the original post, we were talking about a public building.

As a matter of fact, I have a both flags displayed at my condo in Cancun. I am American and I am Mexican and respect both of my nationalities.

Evakian, I understand that threads tend to evolve into something that is different than the original post, but when you are debating something with another poster and all of the sudden oranges get thrown into a discussion about apples, it does make me question ones knowledge of the apples.

;)

Originally posted by Divalatina
Evakian, I understand that threads tend to evolve into something that is different than the original post, but when you are debating something with another poster and all of the sudden oranges get thrown into a discussion about apples, it does make me question ones knowledge of the apples.

;)

Thread Title: Apples-The World's Best Fruit

Poster A: Apples are the best tasting fruit and so healthy

Poster B: I hate apples, oranges are way better!

Poster A: LIES!

Poster C: .......i like peaches....

:D

You're one wacky dude, Evak.

Originally posted by Divalatina
Obviously, you have never been to Mexico as the American flag is flown in many conspicuous places.

Obviously I have been to Mexico considering I live with minutes of driving there when in California and an hour or so when I'm in Arizona (I have part-time residency in each state)

They may fly our union jack for some special occassion under special planning but as an ad-hoc event -- doubt it very much. The Mexican people would never tolerate that. Keep in mind, in general, Mexicans hate americans. They love our jobs and money and health care but that's as far as it goes.

They have no reason to fly our flag.

Obviously I have been to Mexico considering I live with minutes of driving there when in California and an hour or so when I'm in Arizona (I have part-time residency in each state)

Do you like it in Arizona?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
My thoughts on this are pretty simple. If you're to fly another nation's flag on American soil, fine, go ahead, but DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, fly it here without having paid the proper respect to the nation you’re in. If you want to display a Mexican flag, then do it underneath the American flag. The flag shouldn't be any larger, and neither one of them should ever be neglected. I have a problem when I see certain cars sporting a Mexican flag here without an American one. I think it's disrespectful, and I think it's incredibly tacky. I mean, after all, what country are we in? In short, I wouldn't go to Mexico and fly an American flag because I'd have too much respect for Mexico and the people that live there. Why they do it here, I'll never understand, but it REALLY pisses me off. I think it would behoove all of us to have a little respect, don’t you?
I agree. :)

Originally posted by Divalatina
Obviously, you have never been to Mexico as the American flag is flown in many conspicuous places. I hope you do not consider yourself a master of the obvious. I have been to Mexico enough to form my own opinions about what I observe.

Maybe you, as a latina, cannot see the same things I do as a "gringo" in Mexico. Whatever the case may be, tolerance is not Mexico's strongest characteristic.

Originally posted by Overdose
I agree. :)
Well, wonders never cease, ay? ;)

Originally posted by HaVoK

Maybe you, as a latina, cannot see the same things I do as a "gringo" in Mexico. Whatever the case may be, tolerance is not Mexico's strongest characteristic.


I was born in this country and hold every bit as much allegiance to this country as I do Mexico. My parents were both legal immigrants to this country who worked very hard so that their children could be raised and receive a good education in this country.


In fact I do fly both and American and Mexican flag in both countries.

I will end with a note, that YES if the flag was displayed above (which it wasn't) or was larger (we don't know) than the American flag, then it was wrong.

We are in America, and OF COURSE the American flag has priority of respect.


There has been no proof that they people of the county (in Georgia ) had any problems with the flag except for the fact that it was a Mexican flag. There is no proof that they manner the flag was flown or the size was against flag etiquette.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Keep in mind, in general, Mexicans hate americans. They love our jobs and money and health care but that's as far as it goes.

They have no reason to fly our flag.


This is such a gross generalization. I am sorry that your experiences lead you to believe that Americans are hated by Mexicans.

Originally posted by Divalatina
This is such a gross generalization. I am sorry that your experiences lead you to believe that Americans are hated by Mexicans.
To be completely honest, Diva, I would have given some weight to that statement, and Dop and I disagree ALL THE TIME. I believe that, for the most part, they DO hate us, and aside from liking our money, they wouldn't piss on our heads if they were on fire.

I respect the opinions of all who post (so long as they are not making personal attacks) whether or not I agree with their statements.

If you believe that, then I am certain that something in your life has caused you to believe that. Fair enough.

My experiences with my people have led me to believe that YES some do hate Americans, but then again, my family would probably not be typical. I have many educated and hard working family members, some of which have immigrated to this country (my parents), and most of which who have not. Most of my friends of Mexican origin are educated or skilled in some way and do not feel overly reliant on the United States. That being said, my experience is that Mexican tend to wish that their government were more akin to that of the United States, consider the United States to be much more progressive and the people with many more freedoms. My family has hosted many American students and have a deep fondness for America. NO, most of my family would not want to live here, as they have their culture and their way of living, but that does not mean that hate this country or the citizens.

We don't throw around the word gringo or any other words used to dehumanize races.

Originally posted by Evakian
Obviously I have been to Mexico considering I live with minutes of driving there when in California and an hour or so when I'm in Arizona (I have part-time residency in each state)

Do you like it in Arizona?

I'd be glad to answer that if it's a serious question -- is it?

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
I'd be glad to answer that if it's a serious question -- is it?

Yes, i want to know what its like in Arizona. :) Aside from "hot"

Diva -- please don't take me wrong on this issue. I'm not a racist nor do I have anything against mexicans, legal or illegal or the country of mexico. I'm simply telling you how it is in real life.

I base my opinions on having 30 years in the southwest, working and living with hispanics.

In one case, I trained a team of hispanics for a major aerospace company in Phoenix. They were here on special work permits and sponsored by the company. I was assigned to the program because spanish is my 2nd language and I have a good understanding of the mexican culture and philosophies. I spent over 6 years on that program alone.

One thing I can guarantee -- a gringo must earn the respect of a hispanic and that is not an easy task.

Today, because of my years of comittment to the hispanic mentoring cause in both AZ and CA, I am considered one of the good guys within the hispanic communities where I often hang out. That's a nice feeling but like I said -- I had to earn it.

Pop- no worries. I totally understand your feelings. Like I said earlier, I am certain that your experiences have led you to feel the way that you do. I am happy that I was raised in an environment that respected both of my cultural identities. I must be honest, the racism I have experienced was here in the south.

I do not take anything that is said personally. We all have hangups and ideas about races. Some of the funniest comedians for me are the latinos making fun of our culture and guess what? 90% of it is true. If we cannot laugh at ourselves then life sure would be boring. I see nothing wrong with identifying our differences and tackling problems that we face because of these differences.

OK Eva -- I'll assume you don't live in AZ and are just curious about the area or maybe thinking of moving there. You don't show your area in your avatar.

Like already mentioned ... I have 30 years under my belt living in both AZ (mostly Phoenix) and CA (mostly LA).

I've seen phoenix grow 4-fold in polulation and go from a small city to the 5th largest city in the country. Over the years I heard how Phoenix was going to be the next LA and could never see it -- it just didn't seem possible. Today I look around and see it everywhere ... the size, the freeways, the mix of people ... all of it. I feel I know the area pretty well.

We'll start with hot. You already know that. And it is indeed hotter than hell during the summer with over 100 continuous days of temps in excess of 100 degrees running up to 120 degrees or even hotter. That limits a persons lifestyle ... fer instance, you don't go climbing a mountain on one of the 115 days even if you have 10 gallons of water (not that people don't do it). There's a reason we lose dozens of mexicans every summer when they try to cross the sonora desert.

So You'll spend a lot of time in the pool and going from your air-conditioned home to your air-conditioned car to your air-conditioned office. Of course you can also drive an hour or 2 and be out of the heat for the most part ... if you can bear the traffic.

Then during spring and fall you'll find yourself doing your favorite activities. Those times of year are simply beautiful ... 70-80 degrees and sunny. Tough to beat and that statement is coming from a person who's been around. Simply the best weather in the country for 6 months of the year. That's how AZ hooks you and hook you she will.

Most of my time these days is spent in CA for business reasons. I still own a couple of homes in phoenix and have relatives there so I keep a part-time residency and make frequent trips back and forth. Sometimes I'm away only a few weeks or months and when I get back the difference strikes me. The Phoenix area is growing so fast (200,000+ per year) that it seems to have a new look every time you turn around. It's truly a moving target and hard to pin down other than it's on the way to being another LA.

Consequently, the mix of people is changing. What used to be mexicans and cowboys (real cowboys) is now mexicans (40%), cowboys, rednecks and even a few liberals, although not many. FWIW: life is much easier if you speak spanish.

AZ is still a gun state -- with more carry permits per capita than any other state. They don't play games in AZ -- it's real easy to get killed.

Education -- as good as can be expected from a state growing so rapidly. Building schools to keep up is an ongoing project in all parts of the state. They do the best they can while trying to keep taxes low.

Higher education -- above average in any of the 3 state universities, ASU, U of A, NAU. Once inexpensive but now starting to catch up with most other states. Supply and demand.

Quality of life -- above average. Lots of sports, great concert venues and lots of them, good theatre at Gammage (ASU -- I'm a season ticket holder there), Dodge theatre, Sun Dome and others. Also pretty good symphony.

Outdoor activities are everywhere, especially in the cooler months. Hiking, horse back riding, 4-wheeling, shooting at beer cans in the desert (one of my favs -- LOL) horse racing at turf paradise and night time dog racing at phoenix grayhound park. And of course, golf rules -- Phoenix has more golf courses than any city in the world with that number growing daily. The number of courses is in the hundreds. If you like golf, you'll love AZ.

Jobs -- the days of Phoenix/Tucson being high-tech centers are over. Those industries have moved on for whatever reasons. If you're a techie ... move to Los Angeles ... go with me on that one.

Phoenix has always been a hotbed of private education with some of the best private schools in the world in all fields. Most of them have waiting lists to get in.

Now, the latest move is toward genomic and biotech research. If you're in that field you'll do well.

Warehousing is also very big in Phoenix which is the largest in that field next to LA (in the west). Also, it stands to reason that construction workers are always needed because of the influx of new residents who all have to live somewhere. I heard just the other day that Phoenix has to produce 230 living unit (homes and apartments) every day of the year just to keep up with the growth from out of state. That's what ya call big time demand.

Your original question was "how do I like AZ" -- Overall today I prefer CA to AZ (wasn't always that way) but glad I have an option of living in both. There comes a time when I just have to get out of CA for a while and AZ is the perfect place to get away.

I miss the old days in AZ but realize they're not coming back. That's what bugs me the most. I often think of Red in the movie Shawshank Redemption, after Andy breaks out and he is on the work force thinking outloud and he says ... "I guess I just miss my friend" -- that's my relationship with AZ these days.

Hope I answered your question.

Wow, Dop...for as much as we disagree, that was really nice of you to reply in such a thorough manner. Hell, even I'll thank you for the info, and my brother went to school at ASU, so I already knew a little about the state. I was there in '87 during that awful heat wave. Out of curiosity, do you remember that one? That was, bar none, the worst weather I've ever experienced - 120 plus degrees for almost 4 weeks straight. To be honest, at 10 years old, it soured me on the whole state.

Prae -- I don't recall that exact heat wave ... just too many to pin down just one ... but the big one was on 6/26/90. It was 122 that day, 120 the day before and after and hadn't dropped below 118 for a full week.

Here's the best part ... if you add the numbers from the date 9/26/90 (9 + 26 + 90) guess what you get?

122 the temperature ... is that frigging wierd or what?

BTW: ASU -- good school. My dauthger went there (with Tillman and jake the snake Plummer FWIW). Huge campus.

Very nice post Dop. You have a way with words when you want. :)

Originally posted by HaVoK
Very nice post Dop. You have a way with words when you want. :)
He absolutely does.

Very thorough response Dop, much obliged. :)

Great post Dop...except the math. :)

9 + 26 + 90=125, not 122...but since you were going for the date 6/26/90...that would add up...again, nice post. :)

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Great post Dop...except the math. :)

9 + 26 + 90=125, not 122...
Oh my God, and I didn't even look at the second set of numbers....that's hilarious, Vile! :D

I guess September is awfully late for 120-degree weather in Phoenix. Oh well, it's an honest mistake.

The record for September in Phoenix is 118 degrees ...

OK I give Vile and Prae the point on the cheap shot.

OK I give Vile and Prae the point on the cheap shot.

Hooray for cheap shots! :D

kidding...

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
OK I give Vile and Prae the point on the cheap shot.

Geez...sensitive today...maybe it's the heat. :D

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
OK I give Vile and Prae the point on the cheap shot.
"Cheap shot"??? Geeezzzzzz, I said it was an honest mistake for cryin' out loud. Relax. :D

I think people are missing the reason the Mexican flag was flown at half staff.

It was flown in memory of six immigrant workers who had recently been killed. You do not fly the flag for ordinary citizens who have died and certainly not for individual foreign nationals who have died. The flag was flown at half staff as a political statement and should not have been.

I fully concur, Frogger.

While I was reading through the thread a second time I noticed this by Divalatina:


I was born in this country and hold every bit as much allegiance to this country as I do Mexico. My parents were both legal immigrants to this country who worked very hard so that their children could be raised and receive a good education in this country.

If you are an American citizen, Divalatina you should owe more allegiance to the United States than Mexico. If not, you should owe more to Mexico.

I was born in the United States of parents, both of whom emmigrated from Germany, my mother as a child and my father as an adult. While I have ties to Germany, having visited often and having half my family still living there, there is no question but that my allegiance is fully to the United States. There is no equality of allegiance. I am an American as were my parents as soon as they took their oaths of citizenship. During the Second World War my father worked to defeat Germany and insure victory for the United States. There was no dual loyalty.

In my opinion one of the major problems with the United States is the feeling of dual loyalty so many of her citizens have.

Originally posted by Frogger
In my opinion one of the major problems with the United States is the feeling of dual loyalty so many of her citizens have.
I can't say that I disagree with you there either.

Originally posted by Frogger

If you are an American citizen, Divalatina you should owe more allegiance to the United States than Mexico. If not, you should owe more to Mexico.


In my opinion one of the major problems with the United States is the feeling of dual loyalty so many of her citizens have.


While I do tend to agree with this statement in general, I do believe that there are some exceptions. It is difficult for example, in my family two of my siblings were born here, and two of them were born in Mexico. My parents were not born here, but are now citizens of this country. I have most of my family in Mexico, but my life is here, at least for now.

I would say that my allegiance is to the United States first, but I would also be willing to bet so is that of my siblings who were born in Mexico. I do not think the country to where you were born necessarily dictates where your allegiance should be. What about people born in a country where their parents are vacationing?

Your allegiance should be to the country of which you are a citizen. If you can not bear allegiance to that country you should change your citizenship.

If your siblings are Mexican citizens they owe their primary allegiance to Mexico. If they are American citizens they owe their primary allegiance to the United States.

When members of my family emmigrated to the United States and became citizens they shifted their allegiance from the land of their birth to the land of their choice.

Your allegiance should be to the country of which you are a citizen. If you can not bear allegiance to that country you should change your citizenship.

I'll agree on that

If your siblings are Mexican citizens they owe their primary allegiance to Mexico. If they are American citizens they owe their primary allegiance to the United States.

You forgot to mention dual citizenship, in which case the country of primary residence and place of work should be.

When members of my family emmigrated to the United States and became citizens they shifted their allegiance from the land of their birth to the land of their choice.

During mass exodus from Europe to America, there was much racial divisiveness but there was a general acceptance of what being an American means. Where does it come from that you hold allegiances and loyalties to Mexico yet come here? If you come for a job and to live a better life in America, this land is the more important factor in your life.

Originally posted by Evakian
You forgot to mention dual citizenship, in which case the country of primary residence and place of work should be.




We are all dual citizens of both Mexico and the United States. We all (except my younger brother) plan to live our our days in Mexico. Does that mean we shoudl automatically change our allegiance as soon as we move out of this country??

Ridiculous. Allegiance is not like changing your shoes, it should not be changed daily or on a whim.

Allegiance is not like changing your shoes, it should not be changed daily or on a whim.

Are you repeatedly moving between both countries for work and family on a daily or even weekly basis?
I was making reference to long term engagements within the particular country.

We all (except my younger brother) plan to live our our days in Mexico.

Do they all live here at this point in time? And if so, is it for business and educational reasons?

Ridiculous.

No, not so. There is much friction in having "allegiances to two countries".

as Frogger mentioned: In my opinion one of the major problems with the United States is the feeling of dual loyalty so many of her citizens have.

Divalatina,

If you and your family plan to live your days in Mexico it is difficult for me to understand how you consider yourselves American and not Mexican. I may be wrong, and if I am, I apologize in advance, but it seems to me you and your family are simply using the United States as a convenient place to reside while you work, earn money and get educations, a place with higher wages, a better health care system, better schools, but a place to discard once you have gotten what you want.

It doesn't seem to be a matter of your changing your allegiance once you leave this country. Your primary allegiance seems to already be to Mexico.

AFAIK -- a mexican does not give up the mexican citizenship to become a citizen of the united states. They add to it, so they have full citizenship in both countires -- Mexico and the United States. It's called dual citizenship.

Therefore, by our own US laws, they can have just as much allegance to mexico as to the united states.

Allegiance is something you feel in your heart. If you plan on staying in the United States until you make your lucre and then going to Mexico I say your primary allegiance is to Mexico. Allegiance can not ever be equal to two countries. You always have to love the one more than the other.

The dual citizens all have allegiance to the US ... the US health care system, the US Social Security system, the US politically correctness laws .... their allegiance is endless.

As a test, tell the illegals (and legals) that starting tomorrow, there are no more benefits for them in the United States ... then watch how fast they head back sur de la frontera.

Originally posted by Frogger
Allegiance is something you feel in your heart. If you plan on staying in the United States until you make your lucre and then going to Mexico I say your primary allegiance is to Mexico. Allegiance can not ever be equal to two countries. You always have to love the one more than the other.

My plan to move back to Mexico is to take care of an ailing family member, and to help with a family business. It has nothing to do with a preference of a country. I am not using this country for anything and have received part of my education in another country. I pay taxes and give charitable organizations here. I have no conflict with loyalty. I cannot imagine changing my residence suddenly make me feel disloyal to the United States. Quite the contrary. Anyone who has lived outside of this great country probably realizes what a great country we do have here.