President Bush Pushing Abortion Ban
Administration Wants Supreme Court Review of What It Calls 'Partial-Birth' Abortion

WASHINGTON (Sept. 26) - The Bush administration is asking the Supreme Court to reinstate a national ban on a type of late-term abortion, a case that could thrust the president's first court picks into an early tie-breaking role on a divisive and emotional issue.

The appeal follows a two-year, cross-country legal fight over the law and highlights the power that Bush's nominees will have. Just a few months ago, there would have been five votes to strike down the law, which bars what critics call partial birth abortion

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Wow they didn't even wait for Rehnquist's body to cool did they?

Now its my understanding that 3rd term abortions are regulated by the government via a court order in which they must prove quality of life or threat to the mothers life to obtain. Am I wrong on this? Is it the choice of the states?

That being said I fully agree that 3rd term abortions should be regulated. If you are pregnant you would know by the 2nd term at the very latest. So theres no room for the "I didn't know" excuse. If you can't make up your mind by that point the sympathy meter is running on empty. There are no excuses to nto know or take action before the 3rd trimester. In the 2nd half of the 2nd term is when the brain starts functioning. This is what I would consider the beginnings of life. When memory and sensations start being recorded.

Of course the Pro-choicers will scream about how this is just one step towards outlawing abortion. And of course they will be right because the religious extremists won't stop at this.

and around and around and around we go....

Wow they didn't even wait for Rehnquist's body to cool did they?

The world's governments have no time to sleep.

That being said I fully agree that 3rd term abortions should be regulated. If you are pregnant you would know by the 2nd term at the very latest. So theres no room for the "I didn't know" excuse. If you can't make up your mind by that point the sympathy meter is running on empty. There are no excuses to nto know or take action before the 3rd trimester.

Yep.

In the 2nd half of the 2nd term is when the brain starts functioning. This is what I would consider the beginnings of life. When memory and sensations start being recorded.

So just because the brain has yet to develop its "not alive"?
It is vital to respect life, abortion should not revlove around the mother--but instead the growing offspring, as they are the ones who's futures are at stake.

Of course the Pro-choicers will scream about how this is just one step towards outlawing abortion.

And the pro-choice crowd will scream about how this is just one step towards losing "the choice". :rolleyes:

And of course they will be right because the religious extremists won't stop at this.

So people cannot stand up for what they believe in? Just because they are not suceeding its required that they give up?
Alright, never say anything in protest of our invasion and occupation of Iraq. ;)

When the Democrats have enough good ideas to win an election, they can stack the Supreme Court any way they want.

And this crap that Sandra Day O'Connor should be replaced by a moderate? Where is that written? Does anyone remember who Clarence Thomas replaced?

Originally posted by Brooks
When the Democrats have enough good ideas to win an election, they can stack the Supreme Court any way they want.

And if they were to nominate anyone an inch to the left of Hitler, the Republicans will howl in protest and oppose the nomination. ;)

SCOTUS hasn't changed a bit.

Remove 2 neocons and replace them with 2 neocons.

Same old sh*t -- different day.

Originally posted by Brooks
When the Democrats have enough good ideas to win an election, they can stack the Supreme Court any way they want.

And this crap that Sandra Day O'Connor should be replaced by a moderate? Where is that written? Does anyone remember who Clarence Thomas replaced?

Yea, the only other person of color to ever hold the office of judge on the high court, Thurgood Marshall.

The late term abortion ban would easily pass the Roe v. Wade test if they would stop being idiots and put in sufficient provisions to protect the health of the mother. Even I would support a ban that had enough protections. The Supreme Court ought to keep rejecting the ban until it assures that women aren't put in danger.

Originally posted by Idioteque
The late term abortion ban would easily pass the Roe v. Wade test if they would stop being idiots and put in sufficient provisions to protect the health of the mother. Even I would support a ban that had enough protections. The Supreme Court ought to keep rejecting the ban until it assures that women aren't put in danger.



It is difficult, if not impossible to see how performing a partial birth abortion can be for the woman's health. During a partial birth abortion the baby (yes, at this point it is a baby and not a fetus) is partially delivered and a sharp instrument is inserted into the woman's vagina in order to puncture the baby's skull so its brains can be suctioned out. If, rather than inserting a sharp instrument inside the woman, with the inherent dangers that presents, the baby is simply allowed to continue its trip down the birth canal there would be less danger to the mother.

The 'for the health of the mother' argument loses much of its validity when that health is expanded to include not only physical health but emotional health, a concept that allows abortion, including partial birth abortion for any reason what-so-ever. All the woman need say is, "It would upset me to deliver this child."

There is NEVER a valid instance in which partial birth abortion is the better choice.

Originally posted by Frogger
There is NEVER a valid instance in which partial birth abortion is the better choice.

You need to do some reading on the circumstances under which this procedure is used. It is most commonly used when the fetus is severely hydrocephalic. Some of these fetuses have heads that measure up to 20" in diameter. Try sliding that down your birth canal.

Originally posted by Freethinker
And if they were to nominate anyone an inch to the left of Hitler, the Republicans will howl in protest and oppose the nomination. ;)

Yeah, like they did with Ginsberg, who was allowed to dodge questions and was voted in 96-4

Originally posted by Researcher
Yea, the only other person of color to ever hold the office of judge on the high court, Thurgood Marshall.

That's right. A conservative replaced a liberal. None of this recent "keep the balance" crap.