View Full Version : Moral poverty cost blacks in New Orleans
The Praetorian
09-28-2005, 04:19 PM
A really interesting read, especially when you consider the source...
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46440
thetruth05
09-28-2005, 05:08 PM
I dislike president Bush as much as I dislike religious clerics, but when it comes to Katrina, Bush doesn't deserve ALL the blame. Though he did cut funding to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers needed to repair the levees on Lake Pontchartrain so he could pay for his war. The Hurricane Protection project was left incomplete. Still, is it his fault that Nagin failed to evacuate the state, I didn't find any conspiracy theories on Bush stopping the evacuation. So the blame for deaths should go more to state officials, Mr. Peterson made some good points on the issue of why, read the article.
I think minorities in general (don't call me a racist because I'm also a minority) have been mooching off the government for too long. I know people who have BMW's and wear $150 pair of Jordans, but pay their groceries using the EBT card (basically food stamps in the form of a card). It's unbelievable. I pay my taxes so some lazy procrastinator can feed his ego, WTF. People need to get off their asses and stop blaming “whitey” for everything, people in school say how the “white man” is holding them back from their chance at a successful life. Okay, so instead of *ucking around, work twice as hard. People have started to call Katrina a racist issue, hold on, isn’t Nagin black, oh my yes he is.
Kanye West is an idiot who is exploiting his own people to benefit his sales. “President Bush doesn’t care about black people,” it’s a publicity stunt, not that he really needs it, but nonetheless it’s a publicity stunt. I bet a thousand more people bought his album because of his “boldness.” I heard this one song he made where he said something about not letting these “light skin nigg*s” come back in style. It’s mind-boggling what people will say without backing it up with facts; don’t give me a song about the evil government (Mosh- Eminem) with all your opinions, back it up with facts. All these other dumb ass mainstream rappers (except for underground hip-hop Ex. Immortal Technique, Rass Kass, Ill Bill, etc.) are aggravating me with their stupid comments about how the government doesn’t like black people. STFU.
Look at me sounding off about all this, but seriously, it’s getting reeeeaaaaallll annoying.
Vilepagan
09-28-2005, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by thetruth05
I think minorities in general (don't call me a racist because I'm also a minority) have been mooching off the government for too long.
I'm not saying I disagree with you truth, but you seem to be saying that you can't be a racist because you're a minority.
thetruth05
09-28-2005, 08:54 PM
Oh, sorry about that, I meant I'm not a racist against minorities. I rarely read over what I write, it's an easy target. Sorry about that. I didn't want anyone calling me a racist for my thoughts on freeloading minorities. Anyone can be a racist, racism is discrimination against any race, not a specific one.
Also, I’m not a class-ist.
The Praetorian
09-29-2005, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by thetruth05
I didn't want anyone calling me a racist for my thoughts on freeloading minorities.
Too bad, it's going to happen anyway, Truth. You can't stop it with asshole posters like Cockworm on the prowl.
I believe that in America anyone can choose to live pretty well anywhere they can financially afford.
Many chose to live in New Orleans.
For years, I have heard that New Orleans was in a "bowl" surrounded by water. That one day a storm would come and flood it. I do not believe this information was withheld from New Orleans residents. Five dollars a week could have been saved in a moving fund and eventually a person could have afforded to move.
New Orleans had a catastrophy. People have given donations to remove these people, which was a good thing, I believe.
Now it is up to these people to start over again. They can go to New Orleans and take another chance, or start somewhere else, their choice.
If people return to New Orleans they should be prepared to help work out ways to rebuild. Not depend on tax payers in other parts of the country that choose not to live in a "bowl" to finance it.
The same with California. California has been warned of a big earthquake for many years that will be devestating. It will come. Choose to live there and you take your chances. Move now if you wish to save your self and family from having to face this problem.
Do not stay and have a catastrophy happen, then yell that you were not saved because of whatever reason.
No matter if you are black, white, hispanic, asian, or whatever you should be getting out of California. It has been judged unsafe by "experts" as New Orleans was. Stay and you take your chances.
My own decisions have led to this point in my life. The same with most everyone else.
I have been down and I have been up in this life. It has been up to me to help myself, no one else. I have expected, nor received any special assistance. I am my own person. I was born in a poor family which never received any special or government benefits.
I have lived over half-a-century and have never received any government benefits. I made and make it on my own. Why can some people not stand and take the responsibility for their own lives and quite crying that they receive less than others.
I am thankful that I live in one of the greatest countries in the world. Not perfect. Yet, one of the greatest countries in the world. I work and I save for the things I need.
I live in my world with-in a world that I am responsible for.
Deepest Red
09-29-2005, 12:24 PM
Many chose to live in New Orleans.
They chose to require jobs to survive . . . and unskilled jobs were available in New Orleans, more so than most places due to tourism and casinos. So the poorest of the working class 'chose' to move there.
For years, I have heard that New Orleans was in a "bowl" surrounded by water. That one day a storm would come and flood it. I do not believe this information was withheld from New Orleans residents. Five dollars a week could have been saved in a moving fund and eventually a person could have afforded to move.
Yes, in fact the federal government invested in a study about what the effects would be if a hurricane hit NO directly. They estimated tens of thousands would die. yet they actually cut funding to the levees!
People will reply with the old self-reliance cliche dogma that don't take into account actual existing conditions. The fact is, the governement has a lot more resources than the average citizen. If the government can't/won't look out for the helpless and defenceless members of our society, then why do we not create a better one?
I was born in a poor family which never received any special or government benefits.
Your assumption is that because conditions were more favorable when you joined the workforce, they must be now. This isn't so, unfortunately.
We have a large surplus population who don't have any use to the capitalist class . . .and so the capitalists don't care if they die. It's cheaper than jailling the lot of them.
I am thankful that I live in one of the greatest countries in the world. Not perfect. Yet, one of the greatest countries in the world. I work and I save for the things I need.
You don't realize that you're simply lucky - and that a lot of other people can't afford to save anything (such as myself).
And it's far behind 'one of the greatest' in the world at this point. American living standards are going down, and to keep up with Europe, the USA-UK is turning to controlling global resources such as oil and natural gas (Iraq and Afghanastan).
500lbguerilla
09-29-2005, 12:28 PM
Racist prick whites cost the human race...
That article seemed pretty typical to the WND rubbish.
I'm not argueing that there aren't so lazy bastards mooching off of the rest of society.
Blaming the victim is despicable and cowardly.
People who don't have enough mony to own a car or buy a bus ticket share no blame for getting stuck in NO. The asshole who wrote that article acts like every American should own a car.
Secondly the article is very racist. Lumping everyone togather in a catagory based on skin color. I'm not saying theres not black people who don't do the same. They are still racist, just like this prick.
No matter if you are black, white, hispanic, asian, or whatever you should be getting out of California I really hate the rich people in California who still to this day are buying homes on eroding beach cliffs then demand compensation to keep their houses there or to move.
Deepest Red
09-29-2005, 12:39 PM
Moral poverty cost blacks in New Orleans
Say a hurricane is about to destroy the city you live in. Two questions:
What would you do?
What would you do if you were black?
Next up: how moral poverty condemned millions of Jews, gypsies, trade unionists and communists in the Nazi holocaust.
This racist prick should go down to N.O. and preach this filth.
Originally posted by Deepest Red
They chose to require jobs to survive . . . and unskilled jobs were available in New Orleans, more so than most places due to tourism and casinos. So the poorest of the working class 'chose' to move there.QUOTE
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I would agree, if New Orleans was the home of all unskilled workers in the United States.
Yes, in fact the federal government invested in a study about what the effects would be if a hurricane hit NO directly. They estimated tens of thousands would die. yet they actually cut funding to the levees!QUOTE
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Why was it the responsibility of the government( Nationwide U.S. taxpayers) to fund the levies in New Orleans? As far as I am concerned it can be handed back to the wildlife.
People will reply with the old self-reliance cliche dogma that don't take into account actual existing conditions. The fact is, the governement has a lot more resources than the average citizen. If the government can't/won't look out for the helpless and defenceless members of our society, then why do we not create a better one?dQUOTE
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Helpless, to me, is a person that is paralized from the neck down,
or so physically/mentally impaired as to require assistance.
A child that is too young to care for itself. Anyone else can get a job. It may not be a job a person wants but it will suffice until opportunity is earned. I have started on a minimum wage job and ended up in top management after hard work and an interest in the companys prosperity.
Your assumption is that because conditions were more favorable when you joined the workforce, they must be now. This isn't so, unfortunately.QUOTE
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I assume nothing. I merely did not place restrictions on the type of work I would do to make a living. There were people that would not work in those days too.
We have a large surplus population who don't have any use to the capitalist class . . .and so the capitalists don't care if they die. It's cheaper than jailling the lot of them.QUOTE
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I disagree. No company can live without workers. It is up to the individual to make themselves a valuable asset.
You don't realize that you're simply lucky - and that a lot of other people can't afford to save anything (such as myself).QUOTE
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I do not believe in luck! I worked during highschool, then worked a forty hour week-at night, while attending full time school during the day after highschool. Believe me, I did not feel very lucky at the time. Saving is a determination of what you will sacrifice in order to save. If I were in dire straight I would not have this computer or internet for instance. When working for my education I stayed home when others went out. I drank water when others had sodas. I ate balony when others had steak. I paid for my own housing, food, car, clothing, books, everything I had to have, in order to attain training. I sacrificed so that later I could have a better life. Today, it seems to me, that folks want to start at the top. Not make the sacrifices that will help get them there in the long-run. Instant gradification is rampant.
And it's far behind 'one of the greatest' in the world at this point. American living standards are going down, and to keep up with Europe, the USA-UK is turning to controlling global resources such as oil and natural gas (Iraq and Afghanastan).
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The measures you speak of, are the actions of elected officials.
If Americans want change, change the politicians!
The Praetorian
09-29-2005, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Deepest Red
This racist prick should go down to N.O. and preach this filth.
ROTFLMAO!
You do know he's black, right?
Deepest Red
09-29-2005, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
ROTFLMAO!
You do know he's black, right?
Yes. Since when is racism confined to one race? What an absurd concept.
The Praetorian
09-29-2005, 03:48 PM
I agree entirely, but that's not what I meant.
What I'm saying is, why would a black person be overtly racist when it comes to speaking out against his own people? Isn't it possible that Rev. Jesse Peterson believes in what he's saying??? I don't think he's trying to be racist - I think he's trying to be honest. In short, I think he raises a fairly cogent argument.