View Full Version : How would you change your country?
00Elf
09-27-2005, 05:04 PM
1. Declare 100% unilateral free trade (except for inspections for illegal imports).
2. Legalize all drugs.
3. Withdraw the US Military from all foriegn bases, except for Iraq and Afghanistan, withdraw from there as soon as possible, and significantly reduce the size of the US Military.
4. Privatize all federally controlled coorporations (Tennesse Valley Authority, Postal Service, AMTRAK, ConRail, ect.) and give the stock to employees.
5. End all federal intervention in state business (Education, Transportation, Law Enforcement, ect)
6. Create a 20% flat tax applied only to individual citizens, all other taxes (Coorprate, Capital Gains, Dividend, Gasoline, AMT, Income, ect.) are abolished.
7. End all government intervention in our culture.
8. End all regulation of industry and commerce, except where national security is threatened (Fertillizer Bombs, ect.)
9. End the Sherman Act and all other anti-trust laws.
10. End all subsidies and price supports on any business of any kind.
astrapol2
09-28-2005, 04:27 AM
11- End everything
12- End of the world.
Spartak
09-28-2005, 07:18 AM
Put the middle-classes in forced labour camps.
saycricket
09-28-2005, 08:54 AM
13. Close the borders and cease any further government grants to immigrants, etc. that want to begin a small business, i.e. motels, 7-eleven, etc. You want small business? Let our American citizens have the funding.
14. Kick out the GOP Legislature (well, most of it). :D
15. Tax on a sliding scale based on net income and net worth. In other words, the richer you are, the more taxes you pay. (Seems pretty simple to me).
16. Inheritance taxes for those inheriting $100,000 or more in cash and kind.
17. Sliding scale tax cuts for household incomes with school-aged children, children in college, and senior citizens on fixed budgets.
18. Limit insurance and malpractice payouts. Salary cap for surgeons and doctors. Perhaps this may help to bring down the cost of health care and meds.... ? This is a stretch, I know.
19. Take care of the USA FIRST. This translates to: Food, Clothing, Shelter, Employment, Health Care, Education for everyone. Worry about other problems in other Countries SECOND.
JMO. :D
mad dog
09-28-2005, 09:41 AM
Stop big brother from having so much power
get rid of atleast half the fast food joints
take all the BS{preservatives} out of our food products
work on a real medical plan
get rid of half the crocked politicians{can't get rid of them all, otherwise we'ld have nothing left}
give the police force some real work instead of harassing the common Joe
Come up with a real "justice system", you know what I'm talking about, one that is fair, not just out to help those with $$$$
have one language, if you can't speak it{atleast somewhat} then go to a country that speaks yours.
learn to take care of our own{country} before we screw up another
get rid of the stupid save yourself laws. Example seat belt.
give the country back to the people....... not the corporations and politicains
flat tax with no tax break or money back.
Travh20
09-28-2005, 10:26 AM
Here is what I would do:
seal the borders. anyone wanting to come into the US must have a job lined up or enough money to start a buisness. As for all those jobs "american wont do" we can use prisoners or Americans will just have to swallow thier damn pride and do some work. Get educated or go pick stawberries, no more handouts.
abolish the rule saying that anyone born here is automatically a citizen. Even native born people would have to take a citizenship test. All non citizens would be deported. all native born who can not or refuse to pass the test will recieve no benefits afforded to citizens.
Put either a time cap or monetary cap on welfare and unemployement benefits. everyone runs into hard times sometimes, but no one has a hard time for thier whole life unless they are benefitting from that hard time in the form of government handouts.
Ditch social security. make a date in the future where anyone born after that date would go to a new style of social security where they invest their money into the country, not into the government. all people paying into SS before that date will recieve what is due to them for the rest of thier lives.
Bring back the pledge of alegiance
drop all months dedicated to a certain group. diversity would be shelved. we are all americans first. seperating ourselves into diferent groups to bring ourselves together is the stupidest thing ever. There would be no law forbidding groups to celebrate their culture, but government involvement would stop
Death penalty would be carried out within a month of conviction. Child rapists and molestors would recieve death.
massive investment in alternative fuels would begin, so would drilling in our country for oil. anyone who complained about invading iraq for oil and complains about driling oil in our own country and still drives a car would be deported
there are millions more, but cant think of them right now
Deepest Red
09-28-2005, 10:57 AM
I would do this internationally, since I'm concerned with more than "my" country.
Give everyone a banjo.
Make Talk Like a Pirate Day and Steak & Blowjob Day the only official holidays.
Make alcohol free to everyone Mon - Fri (work is the curse of the drinking class).
Turn churches into Free Love Camps. Leave the pews, haha.
Statement Ends.
rendova
09-28-2005, 11:05 AM
1. The death penalty for ALL criminals, even jaywalkers.
2. Let's stop worrying about stockpiling nuclear weapons. I say, USE 'em!
3. We spend WAY too much on education. If the kids can't read or write, that's their problem. Besides, Abe Lincoln never went to real school and that sure never held HIM back.
4. What's all this nonsense about the environment? If people want to see wildlife, they can look at pictures in National Geographic. The more Wal-Mart parking lots, the better.
5. We could solve that budget crisis in a jiffy if the idiots at the Treasury would just print up more money--with my picture on it. Worked in pre-war Germany, didn't it?
6. Legalize all drugs at once. This would free up our overcrowded prisons , so there's room for the REAL crooks, like jaywalkers and those who oppose me.
I look forward to your vote in 2008.
Travh20
09-28-2005, 11:10 AM
why would you need prisons if you executed all criminals? jsut think, we could turn the empty prisons into low rent housing :D
rendova
09-28-2005, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Travh20
why would you need prisons if you executed all criminals? jsut think, we could turn the empty prisons into low rent housing :D
You can be my running mate.:)
saycricket
09-28-2005, 12:05 PM
Trav - great post above.
I agree with just about everything except the death penalty convictions being carried out within one month. While I agree that many death row inmates get more than their fair share of time before conviction (20 years +/-) I think we should allow sufficient time for appeals to work. 1 month is cutting it close. The hurry up approach will squelch those that may be truly innocent.
Deepest Red
09-28-2005, 12:22 PM
Here's a few proposals from the Communist League:
1. Abolition of the two-chamber federal legislature. In its place, we call for an expanded, single-chamber Congress, with half of the body elected on the basis of one Representative for every 100,000 people and the other half elected on the basis of proportional representation.
2. Abolition of the presidency, with its imperial war powers and unchecked executive authority. All executive Cabinet officers, including the chief executive of the United States, should be elected by and from the Congress.
3 Abolition of the appointed judiciary. Direct election of all federal judges and justices, up to and including the Supreme Court of the United States. Panels of judges and justices to replace one-person decision-making. Extension of the jury system to all federal levels.
4. Elimination of all special privileges and immunities for elected officials. No salary of an elected official should exceed the average wage of a skilled worker. The right to recall an elected official at any time must be universal.
5. Public control of all elections through the creation of a non-partisan National Electoral Council, which shall be responsible for creating an electoral system that includes all parties in the process. Creation of “blind” electoral districts and the abolition of gerrymandering.
6. Universal suffrage (the right to vote) for all persons beginning at the age of 14.
7. Abolition of all laws that give corporations the same rights as citizens. Abolition of all laws that restrict the right of working people to participate directly, either individually or collectively, in the political process.
8. An end to the “state’s rights” federal system and for final union of the country. Standardization of all laws and regulations that affect citizens. Federalization of all civil liberties and civil rights legislation and enforcement.
00Elf
09-28-2005, 05:09 PM
8. An end to the “state’s rights” federal system and for final union of the country. Standardization of all laws and regulations that affect citizens. Federalization of all civil liberties and civil rights legislation and enforcement.
And remember folks:
"Big Brother is Watching You!"
Freethinker
09-28-2005, 06:12 PM
NUMBER ONE -- An immediate cut of 50% in the military budget followed by additional cuts, with the aim of rapidly reducing the military budget to less than 10% of its current level, with the "peace dividend" directed to essential social services and to the cost of cleaning up contaminated military sites.
2. An immediate withdrawal of all US military and paramilitary forces stationed outside the borders of the United States.
3. Call on Israel to end the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, as a precondition to peace. Immediate cutoff of all U.S. military aid to Israel.
4. The abolition of the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and all other institutions of covert warfare.
5. Impliment an international treaty outlawing all weapons of mass destruction, including the use of depleted uranium in conventional weapons.
6. An immediate end to US arms sales throughout the world.
7. The US to end its domination of the United Nations, and to pay off its debts to that organization.
8. An end to veto power in the UN and and end to permanent membership in the Security Council.
9. The creation of a Superfund for Workers that would pay workers a living wage and health insurance as well as necessary educational and/or retraining costs if that worker loses a job due to environmental transition or downsizing.
10. No clear cutting in commercial forestry, a ban on commercial cutting in old-growth forests, and an
environmentally sound timber policy that takes into account the historical ecology of the region.
11. Endangered species protection that focuses on habitat-centered protection for plants and animals.
12. Sign the Kyoto Protocol.
13. Large-scale environmental restoration efforts. Intensive investment in promotion of recycling of glass, metals, plastic, paper, and chemicals, and creating markets for recycled materials.
14. Mass development of solar technology and other renewable, non-polluting energy sources.
15. Major funding for development of alternative energy sources including solar, geothermal, wind, hydropower, and biomass.
16. Institute immediate legal action, to the fullest extent possible, against any U.S. corporation that violates U.S. environmental law in the operation of its facilities. Long term jail sentences for those convicted of releasing pollutants into the atmosphere.
17. Immediately rescind the law granting personhood status to US corporations. Levy severe penalties, in the form of huge tarriffs on the returning goods, on corporations who move their manufacturing operations out of the country.
00Elf
09-28-2005, 06:15 PM
Long term jail sentences for those convicted of releasing pollutants into the atmosphere.
You do know that whenever we exhale or flatulate we send pollutants into the atmostphere.
That's going to be a can of worms.
Evakian
09-28-2005, 06:27 PM
How would i change my country?
Expend all its resources on building my floating palace :D
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
Freethinker
09-28-2005, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by 00Elf
You do know that whenever we exhale or flatulate we send pollutants into the atmostphere.
Even though I can only assume you're being facetious, i'll answer anyway.
I was refering to chemical pollutants/biohazard pollutants/carcinogenic pollutants. Things of that nature.
Freethinker
09-28-2005, 11:17 PM
now that the formatting has returned to normal, i'll repost what i said where it can be read more easily.......
How would you change your country?
NUMBER ONE -- An immediate cut of 50% in the military budget followed by additional cuts, with the aim of rapidly reducing the military budget to less than 10% of its current level, with the "peace dividend" directed to essential social services and to the cost of cleaning up contaminated military sites.
2. An immediate withdrawal of all US military and paramilitary forces stationed outside the borders of the United States.
3. Call on Israel to end the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, as a precondition to peace. Immediate cutoff of all U.S. military aid to Israel.
4. The abolition of the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and all other institutions of covert warfare.
5. Impliment an international treaty outlawing all weapons of mass destruction, including the use of depleted uranium in conventional weapons.
6. An immediate end to US arms sales throughout the world.
7. The US to end its domination of the United Nations, and to pay off its debts to that organization.
8. An end to veto power in the UN and and end to permanent membership in the Security Council.
9. The creation of a Superfund for Workers that would pay workers a living wage and health insurance as well as necessary educational and/or retraining costs if that worker loses a job due to environmental transition or downsizing.
10. No clear cutting in commercial forestry, a ban on commercial cutting in old-growth forests, and an environmentally sound timber policy that takes into account the historical ecology of the region.
11. Endangered species protection that focuses on habitat-centered protection for plants and animals.
12. Sign the Kyoto Protocol.
13. Large-scale environmental restoration efforts. Intensive investment in promotion of recycling of glass, metals, plastic, paper, and chemicals, and creating markets for recycled materials.
14. Mass development of solar technology and other renewable, non-polluting energy sources.
15. Major funding for development of alternative energy sources including solar, geothermal, wind, hydropower, and biomass.
16. Institute immediate legal action, to the fullest extent possible, against any U.S. corporation that violates U.S. environmental law in the operation of its facilities. Long term jail sentences for those convicted of releasing pollutants into the atmosphere.
17. Immediately rescind the law granting personhood status to US corporations. Levy severe penalties, in the form of huge tarriffs on the returning goods, on corporations who move their manufacturing operations out of the country.
00Elf
09-29-2005, 12:27 PM
I was refering to chemical pollutants/biohazard pollutants/carcinogenic pollutants. Things of that nature.
But is there some sort of objective standard that you can measure what pollutants will be controlled?
If you have a good bureacrat the system may run along fine, but as soon as the wrong person gets in the wrong place and assigns prision sentences for carbon dioxide and methane emissions then we really are collectively screwed. How do you measure a pollutants "dirtyness"?
The Praetorian
09-29-2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker
12. Sign the Kyoto Protocol.
I disagree with almost everything you said with the exception of developing solar technology and other renewable, non-polluting energy sources, along with funding the development of alternative energy sources including solar, geothermal, wind, hydropower, and biomass. That aside, let's talk about the Kyoto Protocol, and potentially, how it could damage our economy. First of all, for there to be a dichotomy between Annex I countries and others is ridiculous. Take for example, China, any "green" person's worst enemy, and realize that in 2003, they produced 0.74 metric tons carbon equivalent of CO2 per capita, which was a 40% rise from 1990. Many speculate that figure will more than double in 10 years. China is the world's second-largest emitter of greenhouse gases; yet, they're entirely exempted from the requirements of the Kyoto Protocol. This is a challenge that requires complete and total effort; ours, and the rest of the world's. America's unwillingness to embrace a flawed treaty should not be read by anyone as an abdication of responsibility, period. Your plan cripples industry. Essentially the Kyoto Protocol is a scheme to retard the growth of the world's industrial democracies and transfer wealth to the third world as a global socialism initiative. Not a good plan.
Freethinker
09-29-2005, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
I disagree with almost everything you said with the exception of developing solar technology and other renewable, non-polluting energy sources, along with funding the development of alternative energy sources including solar, geothermal, wind, hydropower, and biomass.
I would imagine that the only difference between your level of agreement with my proposals and that of virtually every rightwinger in the nation is that the mass of rightwingers would disagree with the promotion of alternative energy sources also.
And, this being an overwhelmingly conservative nation, it's a foregone conclusion that NONE of the suggestions will be implimented.
Finally, put it all together, and what do you get?!?!?!.........the fact that this country is going down the tubes at an ever increasing pace and, imo, will (since the abject ignorance of the populace dictates that no forward thinking measures will be enacted to avert it) suffer a cataclysmic economic/societal collapse within the next thirty years.
Originally posted by The Praetorian
That aside, let's talk about the Kyoto Protocol, and potentially, how it could damage our economy.
I've got news for you pal.
When you destroy (as humanity is currently in the process of, which Kyoto attempts to address) the lifeship you are floating on, whatever "economy" you have will be totally meaningless. Saving the planet is what matters. But i digress.
Originally posted by The Praetorian
Take for example, China, any "green" person's worst enemy, .........
Let's pause here for a moment and look at that statement.
The **worst enemy** of any green person would be the country producing the MOST CO2 emmissions.
And that country, my friend, is NOT China........i think we both know full well what country is the planet's biggest producer of CO2 emissions.
So, your little "China is the green person's worst enemy" is as incorrect as it is dishonest.
Originally posted by The Praetorian
and realize that in 2003, they (China) produced 0.74 metric tons carbon equivalent of CO2 per capita
Ooooh. Facts and figures. I LOVE it.
NOW we can get down to brass tacks.
Here are the China CO2 emissions, plotted by year:
http://globalis.gvu.unu.edu/indicator_detail.cfm?IndicatorID=48&Country=CN
Here are the China CO2 emissions, nation-by-nation comparison. As you can see, China is ranked #2 in the world in CO2 emissions and their TOTAL emissions are about 60% of the US level:
http://globalis.gvu.unu.edu/indicator.cfm?IndicatorID=48&country=CN#rowCN
China and India and the US plan to build 850 more coal-fired electricity plants between now and 2012 (of the 850, about 100 are in the US).
That will add an extra 2.7 billion tons of carbon dioxide emissions. In contrast, Kyoto countries by that year are scheduled to have cut their CO2 emissions by some 483 million tons.
China in fact has one of the lowest CO2 emissions per capita in the world.
The per capita emmission of CO2 in the US is 10 times higher than that in China.
Secondly, China has already made some efforts to reduce it's CO2 emmsions as for example between 1997 and 2001 when "by switching from coal to cleaner energy sources, initiating energy efficiency programs, and restructuring its economy,China has reduced its carbon dioxide emissions 17 percent".
Thirdly, China has signed Kyoto and is expected to no longer be exempted from the CO2 emission targets in few years from now.
On the other side what do we have here in the US? The US is by far the biggest per capita CO2 emitor in the world. It's CO2 emissions have continually gone up since 1990. And it hasn't ratified Kyoto and is not expected to set itself CO2 emission targets in the near future. Now considering all this, it is hypocritical in the extreme to try to excuse US non implementation of Kyoto based on the fact that China is being (temporarily) exempted from emission targets under the Kyoto protocol.