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TheComputerGuy
02-07-2002, 09:38 AM
The second amendment says:
"A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

I personally feel that any law-biding citizen, should be able to own a firearm.
In the state of NC, you must have a hand gun permit given from your sheriff of your county for which you reside.
all states you must go through a National Instant Check System (NICS). Where they scan your record by the FBI. They do no know what gun you are buying but know they you are buying one.

This can cause a lot of problems for people at Gun-Shows because they have a 72 hour waiting period they can either deny or approve you. Ever since Bush got in they have been approving people faster, and the system seems to be up more often that it is down.

Some say that get the guns out of people's hands, and boom solved problem. WRONG. you will never get a firearm from a criminal never. All you do is leave the general public defenseless from attacks.

Police can not do anything but react. they can not be your personal body guards, as they react to a murder, they do not protect you 24/7 understand?

Now full-Auto firearms are an awesome, piece of manchinery. I have seen many of them. There is a 200 dollar license fee to get one of these grand masterpieces. And an extensive check is done, along with your sheriff must sign saying its alright for you to own in in your county. The sheriff may deny this, and most will. Which I feel is wrong. If you can pass the check, and pay the money, as a Full-Auto handgun starts usually at $2,000 and Rifle at $7,000 you will show responsibility for it other wise why go get a legal one?

Now also one big advocate is Brady, sponsored the Brady Bill, passed in 1995. This same guy was shot when Reagan was, and lost all movement from his neck down as a result of it.
I like the NICS check as it clears the seller of the firearms.

The school shootings were a result of people breaking the law. Columbine the female bought the gun and lied on the Yellow form she filled out. She is responsible for killing those 13 kids as well as the two assaliants that did.

So many people feel that firearms are wrong, yet they are a tool like any other, use it when needed, otherwise put it where it belongs.

Sorry I was bored in class, and havent got any work done, so I better get to moving :)
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INTERNAUT
03-01-2002, 05:40 PM
I think thai it should be even harder to get weapons couse they can cause a lot of accidents! So would you really feal safer if there were more guns (even in good hands)?! I know I wouldn`t! :gangster:
But I have to say that those H&K are really sexy little things!:)

JWB
03-03-2002, 09:56 AM
[quote:196d20f4e9]I think thai it should be even harder to get weapons couse they can cause a lot of accidents[/quote:196d20f4e9]


Let's get real though, people who are going to use them the wrong way will always be able to get them, by stealing conning etc.. But honest people who could have them for self defence wont. Criminals will then feel like they have no chance of being shot while robbing a house, for instance, which means if they're not worried about getting hurt they'll be more likely to do it more often.

ConfusedYouth
03-03-2002, 10:08 PM
As you probably all know by now that I'm against violence or killing of others. But I still think we should have guns why because they are used for hunting I'm not an avid fan of hunting but it's how I get the food on my table every night. You said the world would be safer without guns but in this case why don't we just outlaw cars we would all be alot safer and maybe we should just stop eatting it also would be alot safer! So yes we would be safer but people will continue to find other ways of getting them and other ways of violence so the outlaw of guns would just controdict it's self because it would not cut down the rate of violence that goes on in todays world it will sadly always be there. And as far as accidents go people of today should have enough common sence to think before allowing your child to know you have a gun, where to store it, how to load it, and even today they put them in there childs room it is idiots like this that make us have gun control laws! Also allow me to clear one thing up I'm not going to agree with JWB on everything he said (whats new :) ) because I don't think that guns should be used for self defence thats often times how accidents start. I only condone the use of guns for hunting or in like the Olympics target use.

TheComputerGuy
03-03-2002, 10:23 PM
Well I tend to disagree walot wit your statment (Whats unusual about that) I feel we should have them for self defense against Wild Animals, (human or beast)

If you feel firearms should be banned, go to Australia, or Canada see what its like.

ConfusedYouth
03-04-2002, 07:16 AM
And because of them being banned in those countries they also have a lower crime rate. So maybe it would be smarter to move there atleast I would be alot safer according to that statistics and if you think we should all walk around armed why don't you go to some thrid world country only because you asked us to go live in Canada and Austrila (sp)

TheComputerGuy
03-04-2002, 08:27 AM
I am laughing my head off right now....

Their crime rate is higher and has gone through the roof, go check out United Kingdom as well. Police now may enter your house and tear it down, if they do not find the gun that you are said to own. They do not have to pay for what they break either, legislative people are still talking about what is a home intrustion.

Criminals have nothing to fearif you have nothing to defend your self...

I would go to a 3rd world country, as I know what to expect there....

Neg
03-04-2002, 11:52 AM
[quote:58256b11e8]Criminals have nothing to fearif you have nothing to defend your self... [/quote:58256b11e8]
They have to fear the police, don't they??

ConfusedYouth
03-04-2002, 04:19 PM
TheComputerGeek if your so sure of your self I would like to see statistics and also the source or sources you have retreved your information from. Also it is called a search warrent the have them in the United States also and in the United States they have right to tear your home/car or anything else apart if they are looking for an item and not pay a single red penny for it. It would not be a bad idea either to have insurence.

TheComputerGuy
03-04-2002, 04:27 PM
Police can not do anything but react, sometimes they react good others they react too late. If the cops are looking for one specific item they must clarify, other wise you do not have to let them search your car/house,

ConfusedYouth, I will pull the facts for ya soon enough

Neg
03-04-2002, 04:37 PM
http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/ausguns.htm

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Given this context, any claims based on statistics (even accurate ones) which posit a cause-and-effect relationship between the gun buyback program and increased crime rates because "criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed" are automatically suspect, since the average Australian citizen didn't own firearms even before the buyback.
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ConfusedYouth
03-04-2002, 04:51 PM
The 4th amendment states:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated and no Warrents shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particaulary describig the place to be searched and the personsns of things to be seized.

The only probable cause an officer of higher authority may not search or seize anything is when they do not have a warrent issued by a judge. They may search or seize anything they like under your permission that is the only time other wise with a warrent an officer may search and seize anything he has been given permission to. Again laws change from country to country but according to the constitution with a specific warrent they can search or seize anything. Hrm for some reason I think I have said this all before.

TheComputerGuy
03-04-2002, 04:56 PM
North Carolina State Law says that they can not search your car with just problable cause, unless you allow them too, they must have written on the warrant what they are searching for specifically otherwise anything they find that is not on the warrant can be thrown out.

ConfusedYouth
03-04-2002, 05:36 PM
Computerguy for some reason I feel I said that all. I stated clearly they must need a warrent to could only search and seize what is on the warrent must I repeat myself again?

TheComputerGuy
03-04-2002, 07:26 PM
If that floats your boat, please repeat all day.

I mis read your post, at first, and now I see it clearly!

ConfusedYouth
03-04-2002, 07:36 PM
hahaha ComputerGuy it's alright I mis-read stuff all the time. It sucks and can make you look stupid anyway I'm going to stop rambling!