Red Cross officials say that this is the largest responses to a single natural disaster in the 125 year history of the Red Cross.

As of 7:00 am Eastern time on Tuesday, September 6, the Red Cross is sheltering more than 142,000 evacuees at more than 485 Red Cross shelters in 18 states.

More than 270 emergency response vehicles are in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, with additional ERVs en route.

More than 15,640 Red Cross staff and volunteers are assisting.

More than 3.3 million hot meals and 3.9 million snacks have been served, with more than 618,000 and 466,000, respectively, in the last 24 hours.

It's an amazing organization, and gets extra kudos for spending a large percentage of donated funds not on a bureaucracy, but on helping people.

[Offensive, pointless nonsense deleted. --Admin]

Originally posted by Travh20
[Offensive, pointless nonsense deleted. --Admin]
Priceless.

so much for first ammendment rights. If anyone wants to know what the over the top offensive pointless remark was PM me and I will tell you. I can assure you, it isa about the weakest thing to ever get deleted by the fascist fuck admins

You don't have first "ammendment" rights on a private forum...but please PM me and tell me what you said. I love laughing at stupid people.

You don't have first "ammendment" rights on a private forum...but please PM me and tell me what you said. I love laughing at stupid people.

Then it must be a kneeslap fest every morning when you look in the mirror. :D

Originally posted by Overdose
You don't have first "ammendment" rights on a private forum..

Exactly.

Geez Trav, can't even say something nice about the Red Cross?

Originally posted by Overdose
You don't have first "ammendment" rights on a private forum...but please PM me and tell me what you said. I love laughing at stupid people.
He said something to the effect of he thought it surprising that Echo would like something that had the word "cross" in it. I found that crass and insenitive in the extreme.

Oh, and Trav: The First Amendment no more means you can say whatever the hell you want here than the Second Amendment means every retailer must sell guns. Allforums is not required to provide a platform for your speech.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
He said something to the effect of he thought it surprising that Echo would like something that had the word "cross" in it. I found that crass and insenitive in the extreme.

Why Borg, you must have been upset...you let a spelling error escape your notice...:D

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Why Borg, you must have been upset...you let a spelling error escape your notice...:D
ACK! ::dies::

Ye bastard...I was gonna use that pic....
:D

I understand. The liberal admins looking out for the feelings of the liberal members. what a joke. The next time echo says something crass and offensive about Christians, which wont be long, I expect it to be deleted immediately. the precedent has been set, crass and offensive posts shall be deleted from here on out.

Originally posted by Travh20
I understand. The liberal admins looking out for the feelings of the liberal members. what a joke. The next time echo says something crass and offensive about Christians, which wont be long, I expect it to be deleted immediately. the precedent has been set, crass and offensive posts shall be deleted from here on out.
I don't think it was so much that yours was "offensive" as it was just plain stupid. Yes, Echo may attack Christians, but she usually has more substance to what she's saying then something as stupid as what you did. I mean, yours was more of a joke, about something very serious...and something that didn't need to be joked about. Echo, however, I don't think has pointed out something this stupid...I mean, WTF, Trav? Just because the red cross has the word "cross" in it does not mean shit, and I know you know it does not mean shit, and you were just trying to be funny, but I don't think it was funny nor has it done anything but make the thread about stupid stuff that isn't even related to the first post...

Sure OD, here at all forums we never get off topic and posts, and when we do the admins dlete it. And Echos "substance" regarding christians is they are "sheep with no conscience" ya, thats real substance :rolleyes:

The problem I have is, the admin in this case crossed the line. What if a christian admin (heaven forbid) went around deleting all posts he found offensive and crass? I am sure there would be an uproar from the overdoses of the board. If the admins go around deleting ALL the offensive, crass remarks, fine, its consistant, but to see thousands of them and single out this one line for deletion is wrong. It was not offensive, nor did it cross any lines. We have one guy, borg in this case, deciding for all of us what is offensive and crass. Its just wrong, and I can not believe that all of a sudden you hard core defenders of free speech no matter what suddenly care so much about shielding us from evil posts.

on a side note, I remember when the dixie chicks said something about Bush one time and private citizens decided to boycott them. A terrified cry from the left about taking away their free speech soon followed. Now, I say osmething about my free speech being taken away and I aam told to STFU. got to love the left wing doulbe standard. They dont care about free speech, all they care about is their fucking agenda, get bush. At any and all costs, get bush.

Originally posted by Travh20
I understand. The liberal admins looking out for the feelings of the liberal members. what a joke. The next time echo says something crass and offensive about Christians, which wont be long, I expect it to be deleted immediately. the precedent has been set, crass and offensive posts shall be deleted from here on out.
Alright. Alright. ::deep breath:: First off, you know damned well I'm not a liberal. I'm a card-carrying Libertarian, thank you very much. And furthermore, you should know that I'm not buddies with Echo. To be honest, I think she's the left-wing version of you. But all that doesn't matter, because I think your post crossed the line, and so I deleted it. You may not think it did, but I did, and to be blunt, I'm an admin and you're not. You were making fun of Echo for something relating to the worst natural disaster in United States history, Trav, and your remark was absolutely out of place. Yours was the first non-spam post I've edited in roughly three months, so it's not like I'm a censorship-happy admin or something. I got rid of one tasteless post of yours, among thousands that exist here. I think I've been more than patient with you. You're insulting, selfish, bad-tempered, exaggerate specifically in order to disparage others, and it's an embarrassment that you're the top-posting member of this board.

You think I went over the line? Fine. I'll return manlyhose's ass to the forum. Hell, I'll put it right on the main page. That's the pictoral equivalent of what you wrote, you know. Obscene. Something no one wants to see. Doesn't add anything to the forum. In short, we lost nothing.

I didnt know it was a libertarians job to be a nanny. next time, let each person decide for themselves what to think of it.

And I want to know what part of my statement: "I am suprised echo would give kudos to any organization with the word cross in it " harms either the red cross or the hurricaine victims in any way.

trav, if you honestly don't get it then you are not bright enough to understand the answer. However if you are just pretending you don't understand then you already know the answer.

Wow - this whole argument seems really stupid to me. And Borg, as far as out of line comments are concerned, don't you feel that saying, "it's an embarrassment that you're the top-posting member of this board" is just a bit harsh? I don't know what he said, exactly, but saying something to the effect that he was surprised that Echo was involved in an organization that had the word "cross" in it, neither disparages the people in involved in this tragedy, nor does it take away anything from the Red Cross. Just how was his attack inappropriate? I'm curious.

Originally posted by Echo2
trav, if you honestly don't get it then you are not bright enough to understand the answer. However if you are just pretending you don't understand then you already know the answer.
Quit playing off other people's responses, Echo, for your attack patterns are becoming painfully obvious.

I didn't see the post, but my guess is that if he had posted something like that on a string that wasn't about a national disaster or how we are all dealing with, it wouldn't have been so innapropriate. However in the content of the string's subject, at a time of national disaster, when people are despratly tring to help the displaced and dieing it was very innapropriate.

Timing and content are everything.

OK, call me stupid, just explain to me how saying "I am suprised echo would give kudos to any organization with the word "cross" in it" disrespects either the red cross or the hurricaine victims? I think we have a case of ultra sensitivity here is you find that is offensive to either group.

and echo saying timing and content are everything is a fucking joke since she took a quote of mine, lopped off the end and used it as her signature to make me look bad. I swear the gall of these libs is just through the roof.

1-800-W-H-I-N-E

I have to say I agree with you, Trav. I can't, for the life of me, see how making a statement attacking another poster harms the Red Cross or the victims affected by Katrina.

Originally posted by Echo2
1-800-W-H-I-N-E

zzzzzzzz

Originally posted by Echo2
trav, if you honestly don't get it then you are not bright enough to understand the answer.
Oh for Christ's sake, knock it off before I start deleting your posts as well.

Originally posted by Travh20
OK, call me stupid, just explain to me how saying "I am suprised echo would give kudos to any organization with the word "cross" in it" disrespects either the red cross or the hurricaine victims? I think we have a case of ultra sensitivity here is you find that is offensive to either group.
How about this: you may disagree with everything that comes out of Echo's mouth. But you know what? She works for the Red Cross. You don't have to respect her for anything else, but I expect a certain decorum regarding her occupation, and pointless babble relating to some perceived irony is disrespectful, and with Hurricane Katrina relief efforts ongoing at the time, extremely bad timing. I probably wouldn't have batted an eye had you posted that a month ago. It'd be like Vile telling you, Trav, immediately after 9/11, "Gee, who would have thought that you'd be sad at the loss of something that vaguely resembles a phallus?" Not amusing, not tasteful.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
It'd be like Vile telling you, Trav, immediately after 9/11, "Gee, who would have thought that you'd be sad at the loss of something that vaguely resembles a phallus?" Not amusing, not tasteful.

Great...I get dragged into the discussion along with a giant phallus...

You don't have to censor him. You see we got his cute little function called ignore. Travh used to on it. The he seemed to get a little better so I removed. No more, it's permenant this time.

He does nothing but post one line bull shit whinig like a little bi-otch.

Sheesh, its not that big a deal over a little remark like that. If that has to be removed to keep such "crass" comments out of Echo's ears, make Echo change her sig so Trav doesn't get the same treatment.
Trav is complaining much more than needed, Borg didn't really need to do it, and this argument about as needless as it gets.

So is this an internet free speech forum or a discussion on the red cross? care to step back inside to the subject?

I'd have to say that the Red Cross is about the only organization to come out of this catastrophe looking good. They're a fine organization, and a model for what we can do right.

::doffs chapeau::

Originally posted by BorgHunter
How about this: you may disagree with everything that comes out of Echo's mouth. But you know what? She works for the Red Cross. You don't have to respect her for anything else, but I expect a certain decorum regarding her occupation, and pointless babble relating to some perceived irony is disrespectful, and with Hurricane Katrina relief efforts ongoing at the time, extremely bad timing. I probably wouldn't have batted an eye had you posted that a month ago. It'd be like Vile telling you, Trav, immediately after 9/11, "Gee, who would have thought that you'd be sad at the loss of something that vaguely resembles a phallus?" Not amusing, not tasteful. How about this: You may believe everything that Echo writes here on this forum. We only have her written words to go by here and I believe over half the stuff she writes is a lie anyway. So to call for "respect" for some anonymous poster on the internet is idiotic in itself.

As far as bad timing goes, I didnt see you or any other admin delete any posts from people during 9/11 when they were saying America deserved what it got. How inappropriate was that?


*Edit: I dont know how long you have been admin, so maybe you were not an admin during the year or more worth of rebuilding that was ongoing in N.Y. If you were not an admin then, I retract the bottom comments that pertain to you.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Edit: I dont know how long you have been admin, so maybe you were not an admin during the year or more worth of rebuilding that was ongoing in N.Y. If you were not an admin then, I retract the bottom comments that pertain to you.
I became a mod in February of 2003.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
I'd have to say that the Red Cross is about the only organization to come out of this catastrophe looking good. They're a fine organization, and a model for what we can do right.

::doffs chapeau::

The coast guard did an excellent job. They were rescuing people off roofs within hours. They have done more rescues in 1 week than they have done in the past 50 years.

The NOPD - did a fine job, considering they had themselves lost everything & had zero support for about 5 days.

Some of the police did...
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Suburban police blocked evacuees, witnesses say
New York Times

Police agencies to the south of New Orleans were so fearful of the crowds attempting to leave the city after Hurricane Katrina that they sealed a crucial bridge over the Mississippi River and turned back hundreds of desperate evacuees, according to two paramedics who were in the crowd.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0910katrina-flee10.html

"Instead, a suburban police officer angrily ordered about 200 people to abandon an encampment between the highways near the bridge. The officer then confiscated their food and water, the four witnesses said. The incidents took place in the first days after the storm last week, they said."

"But on the bridge there were four police cruisers parked across some lanes. Between six and eight officers stood with shotguns in their hands, the witnesses said. As the crowd approached, the officers shot over the heads of the crowd, most of whom retreated immediately, Bradshaw, Slonsky and Golden and her son said."

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Storm Survivors Told To 'Expose Themselves'

A group of female hurricane survivors were told to show their breasts if they wanted to be rescued, a British holidaymaker has revealed.Ged Scott watched as American rescuers turned their boat around and sped off when the the women refused.

The account was just another example of the horror stories emerging from the hurricane disaster zone.

Mr Scott, 36, of Liverpool, was with his wife and seven-year-old daughter in the Ramada Hotel when the flood waters started rising.

"At one point, there were a load of girls on the roof of the hotel saying 'Can you help us?' and the policemen said 'Show us what you've got' and made signs for them to lift their T-shirts," he told the Liverpool Evening Echo.

"When the girls refused, they said `Fine' and motored off down the road in their boat."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/06092005/140/storm-survivors-told-expose-themselves.html#katrina
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The group that stood out over-all were ordinary citizens rescueing their fellow (hu)man.

they weren't NOPD - they were Jefferson Parish deputies.