Sorry for post so many new thread but I had to get this out this is the sickest thing I could ever see or hear about this is terrible.

I recently was searching the net and came along this website GodHatesFags.com. I did not know what to think at first so I went to the site ends up to be a church called Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas. They call themselves an "oldschool" Baptist Church. And preach the hate of god, focusing mainly on "fags" (the term they choose to use, and they quote a bible verse to support it). If you choose to go to this site please take a look at the sermens if this did not sickin the sermens will. please e-mail this radical group and tell them how wrong they are we need to stop hate against race, ethnic background, sexuality and we need to learn to love one another no matter what there race, sex, ethnic background, belifes are. Also in the pics I show you below they have children protest against "gays" is this what we teach are kids to hate one another because they are diffrent then us. So please take a look at this site and again I ask you to e-mail this church and tell them how wrong they are!

Well I do not support the "homosexual" lifestyle, and find it quite gross. That is just almost wrong. There will always be homosexuals, always have been. But to use God as to proclaim it right to Judge. no no no. When we all stand before him on Judgement Day, then we will all know what he thinks, but people always like to use something people can not argue with. :nono:

i kno u both (confused youth and chris) already kno i'm very conservative. i've already told u i believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. The Bible very clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. HOWEVER, i do not, under any circumstances, believe what that church is doing is right. God loves everyone, its the whole love the sinner, hate the sin type thing. i don't believe that sins r rated, in other words, one sin is just as bad as any other. so homosexuality and lying, would be the same. personally, i think homosexuality is disgusting, but we're all sinners, so u can't say that one person is worse than another. if that makes sense. what that church is doing is wrong.

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if that makes sense. what that church is doing is wrong. [/quote:03d4176c80]

Well what gets me is they are getting kids to do it. Adults have freedom to choose, Children are just like boom parents are on them to do it.

I don't agree with the homo lifestyle either, but that is just a little much in my opinion!

When a reporter interviewed a member of the church which I might add at the time of this she was 14 she said she has been going across the country for 11 years preaching this that means since she was three she has been tought to hate others because of there life style that sickist thing I've heard in awhile. I'm hetrosexual but at the same time what doe's sexuality have to do with anything so what if they are gay as long as they treat me with respect I will treat you back with the same. I don't hate someone because they are gay that does not matter to me it may not be my choice of porn but I don't worry about them hitting on me like most people do because I don't go around hitting on every girl I see and even if there is a girl I like I don't go up to her and start flirting with her. The life-style also often times can't be helped they dont make the decesion to be gay when all they sudden they get mature enough to actully know what there feelings are they grow up like this and can't be changed. And often times they start living this life style because of a tragity that happened in there life like rape etc....and the bible teaches it as a sin but the true sin is not excepting people for whom they are no matter what a book teaches you.(I can see i'm going to create some controversy over that one =p)

This picture is of two kids holding protest signs and you can see we keep teaching hate but what we really need is Peace love unity.

i agree, that many times, homosexuality is caused by rape. i know a man who was in that lifestyle. but God brought him out, and he now has a ministry for ppl who r struggling w/homosexuality. i kno u may not put the greatest confidence in the Bible, but, what have u got to lose? if ur right, and there is no God, then what trouble will i be in? but if i'm right, and there is a God, what kind of trouble will u be in, u'll kinda be screwed.
um, i see ur point, but (here i go again) the very fact that the Bible commands not to have unnatural relations indicates that there is a choice involved. many times, the feeling that u will only be loved by a member of the same sex is embedded in children who have been raped by a member of the same sex. so, by the time they're adults, they have convinced themselves that they can't change. don't get me wrong, i don't claim to be an expert, but from talkin to the guy i kno who used to be gay, thas what i understand

First of all Homosexuality is absolutely gross. But the Bible is not Gods words.... It's a bunch of stories passed on and on. The Roman Catholic Church knows this but does not want to spend the money to drop the Old Testiment. But anyways these rednecks and their gay bashing is just a crock of ---- brought up by some dumb hillbilly. Next, you people talk about Judgement Day, WTF? I hope I don't have to wait till judgment day to come before God. Being Gay isn't a sin, lying isn't a sin, and all that other bull----. Lets look at the 10 Commandments. They are to many and one leads into the other. And in todays world most just arent followed such as covet ur neighbors things,Everybody wants what their neighbor has and more ditto for neighbors wife. The only sin is Murder. Like that retard that killed 15 Fireman in Massachusetts... She Should BURN IN HELL, even though i don't believe in hell. :crybaby: AND GAYS that became gay cause they were raped!!!!!!!! WTF? Thats just their SOB story so people don't hate them for being gay. I am SICK of hearing people that where depressed and crap like that, Nobody wants to hear peoples ---- sob Storys. That's My Opinion and I'm Sticking to it!

Jeff, I am bothered by your sense of wanting to put people into the saame mindframe. You call all hillbillies, when most hillbillies as you call them are simple folks, who are good people.

I also feel that you saying that all people are like this and that, than you are no better than the people that the post was about.

The homosexuality lifestyle is a choice, no doubt. They says Apes are related to us, then guess what! I never heard of a homosexual ape of any sort.

Michal:Is the guy you are talking about ever on WPTF? I think I heard the same guy you are talking about

Hey Chris one Question!?! Did the Apes Tell you they weren't gay!?!:uzi: :redsmoker

Have you ever heard or seen two apes mating of the same sex? .. Go look it up at animalplanet.com .. they might have info.

yeah ive seen two apes of the same kind go at it found it on some "humor website" if i find it i will send it

Well Jeff, Gorilla porn is just sick to think about someone saying those words.....

Yeah, this is the kind of stuff that makes the internet suck. However, you will be pleased to know that GHF was introduced to the SA forums a while back, and hilarity followed quickly. I think they brought the site down for a few weeks, at least, maybe longer.

Wolfpac148, i'm curious, what do u base ur beliefs on? u said that the only sin there is, is murder. what r u basing that on? r u sayin that if someone lied to u about an important event that u would be ok w/it? r u saying that if someone broke into ur house and stole all ur stuff, that would be ok, bc its not a sin? i've said it over and over, i believe in the Bible and i believe that there is no error in it. someone said before that its just a collection of stories or something. but in the Bible, it says that all scripture is God-breathed, sharper than any double-edged sword and can penetrate to divide soul and spirit, joint and marrow. God told the ppl who wrote the Bible what to write. he inspired them to say the things he said. the Bible is a letter from the creator of the universe to us. i can't ignore that guys. and ur missin out on a lot if u ignore it.

Just because something is not a sin does not mean you can' get upset over it.

If you don't believe in the bible, where do you get sin is a murder?? Just curios...

For my self murder has to do more with morals. I know it's wrong to kill another and would never think about killing another not even if I was asked to go to war.

Sorry to bring back an older thread...but just had to get some of my opinon out there.....

I used to be a strong fundemental Christian....I had devoted my whole life to the service of "God" and "His" people..till I learned in a very harsh way, that a lot of "Gods" people [b:a6bb8f2d27]suck[/b:a6bb8f2d27].

My beliefs on God and organized religion has changed considerably over the past 8 years. I have studied a lot of "other" religions and I have even reexamined the doctrine of the church I used to be a member of. Through this I have learned 2 things:

1. Many of "God's flock"(devote followers) are not a good representation of who God is supposed to be, in fact many of these people are just terrible.

2. In almost every single religion through out the world..one thing remains constant...."Treat others as you want to be treated". That "Golden Rule" is probably the best rule for everyone to live by and to follow.

It sickens me to see people being so blinded by their fanaticism, that they cannot see that what they are doing is wrong. Every single human on this earth has a right to believe what they want. No one should put a person down because they are gay, no one should put a person down because they are straight.

Everyone has FREE WILL and everyone should be allowed to use that free will as was intended.

Just my 2 cents.....

-Gwen

I definanty agree with you. I grew up in a some what of a strong christian family. As I continued to go to church I saw more and more things I very much dis-liked. I saw that the church was segergated in some type of form. I often saw it as a white church. Every family I've talked to that was strong in the chrisitan religon have segergated them selves by sexuality, money and several other ways I dis-agree with. I dis-liked how the church was not equal. Men in the church seem to have more power of the family and there wife or girlfriend. I dis-liked how the chrisitan church tought me that homosexuality was wrong. I often notice chruches turning aways homosexuals. It's upsetting to see this because I thought the teachings of god were loving, forgiving, and also welcoming. They may be or it may be the people who are teaching.

The underlying meaning of the word Christian is to be Christ-like. Jesus walked this planet as a human, and with the exception of the money collectors in the Temple, never judged or grew angry with anyone. He loved all, taught those who would listen and left the judging up to His Father. That is what we Christians are supposed to do. Unfortunately, far too many "Christians" fail to recognize this and use their beliefs as a reason to condemn people. I am a Christian, firm in my beliefs. However, it is not my place to force them on anyone, nor is it my place to condemn someone if they don't agree with them. It is sad that the world all too often sees the radicals that do things in the name of Christianity, and not the people who actually try to live a Christ-like life. As has been said already in this thread, the Judgement Day will come, and those radicals will have to answer for their hate the same as the homosexual will have to answer for their lifestyle and the murderer will have to answer for taking away life.

I have problems with my own faith and really find that the seperations and donominations make a people turn their heads to faith. I will say that I'm agnostic though I believe something. Anyways I have a good feeling that when these people get o those pearly gates Freddy Murcury is going to be waiting there. Laughing his ----ing --- off. He's gonna detour them to the elevator to hell and it will be a ---- shame. A life wasted on discracing the name of one of the greatest men ever. Jesus.
Buhhda ain't so bad either. :uzi: :argue:

I agree with you. Jesus tought everyone to love, forgive and many other great things. But more and more times I see or hear about christian radical groups bombing or sending anthrax to abortion clinics. I in no way shape or form agree with abortion I may protest it but I will never try to achive a death our some type of revenge on an abortionist because they kill un-born babies. but it all controdicts it's self because what the facts seem to show is the christian radicalist are trying to kill the abortionist for killing un-born babies making them both very wrong. That is not the speaking of God or Jesus. I often times find my self following Agnosticism also.

i agree w/ya'll. it is very wrong to bomb something or kill to accomplish what one claims is done in the name of Christ. but let me clarify something. those ppl u came in contact w/r not necessarily like all Christians. but they are the same in that they aren't perfect. the only perfect human being there ever was, is Jesus. i openly admit that i'm a sinner, but i've been washed w/the blood of Christ, and tho i sin, tho i may lie or even sometimes condemn people, Jesus loves me. he hates my sin, but he loves me. and since i have been washed w/his blood; bc he became sin for me, i have become righteous in his sight. all of my sins have been forgiven and cast into the sea of forgetfullness. each one of us has the free will to choose. that is true. however, that doesn't change the fact, that if u choose not to embrace Jesus as Lord of ur life, u will go to hell. i'm not condemning, i'm simply stating what God told each of us in the Bible. God gave us freewill bc he wants us to choose him. what good would it be if we followed Christ, if it really wasn't our choice? and how could we even partially understand the fullness of God's love for us if we didn't sin?
God is a loving god, that is so true, i don't kno where i'd be if it wasn't for his mercy and forgiveness. the thing is, we hafta accept his gift. if someone has a present for u in their hand. and is offering it to u, u hafta go up to them and take it in order to benefit from whatever it is. as long as it stays wrapped up in their hand, it can't do u any good. the saddening part is, that by not choosing God, ur choosing, to turn away from him, and if u never choose him, he doesn't have any other choice but to separate u from him forever. in other words, if u don't choose him, u choose hell. it's kinda scary.

So I'm a child of god right. MAybe I have trouble in believing in CHrist. Righteous or not the ideas expressed in the bible are a recipe for a good life. I know this and I don't ignore that it is possible that I may go to hell or purgatory or oblivion.. Whatever. So who are you to say that GOD will send us to hell. The bible says a lot of things like thou shall not kill and then and eye for an eye. So I say that because we are lost children of GOD we aren't doomed. As long as we keep a pure heart with the intension of goodwill and righteousness I don't see how GOD could send us to hell. Especially wit hall of his love. See the mistake a lot of people make are the assumptions of their gods feelings. You cannot condemn people nor can anyone else.:bouncy:

"Jesus answered, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
Jesus didn't say "I am one way.." or "I'm a way..." He said "I am THE way..." the only way u can get to the Father, to be in heaven w/God is through Jesus. by excepting as ur Lord. simply tryin to live right won't get u anywhere. u must accept Christ and trust him to make the change in ur life. he is the only one that can truly make a difference in a person's life. its his blood that changes a person bc once that change has taken place in ur soul, it becomes a matter of pleasing the one who died for u. like if ur married, u wanna do things for ur spouse simply to please them. thats kinda the way it is w/the relationship u have w/God. marriage is really a good analogy for it. there's a period where u really don't kno him, u mighta seen him in passing, but u haven't really talked. then u start dating, kinda gettin to kno eachother better. ur not really sure if u wanna make the big commitment, but u've seriously thought about it. then, u take the plunge. u get married, u make the big commitment and u find that its more than u ever could have asked for. the sincere love that he has for u, simply blows u away. the thing is, to really understand and experience that true love, that intense relationship, u hafta make the commitment. u can only kno what it is to love Jesus after ur "married". does that make sense to u?
i think about this too: Jesus came to earth, fully man and fully God. he faced the same temptations that u and i do, yet he remained perfect, without sin. his sole purpose in life was to please his Godly father. yet he was rejected in the end he was beaten and crucified on a cross. and this for us! how much can it really hurt us, in comparison to what he went through, to make a commitment. life is so short, i have to try to live it for Jesus every minute of every day. i will fall pitifully short, but the real point is that i've made a commitment to Christ and will live for him.

That is great that you have found something you want to commit your life to and something that makes you happy, VBallAngel4377. I think that organized religion can give people the discipline and structure that they are seeking and looking for and I think that if people [b:a1b69691b8]really[/b:a1b69691b8] follow what the Bible says..they can become pretty great people.

I also think that organized religion is not for everyone. I think that people have the right to choose and not be condemed for that from their fellow human being. If there is a God and there is going to be the Judgement Day, then and only then will and should people be judged! All over the Bible, it is stated that people should not judge others....something about "casting the first stone" and the Bible also tells people to "Love their neighbors".

Threads like this always remind me of a nice quote I once heard somewhere:

"Isn't it strange, that the religion which preaches the most love killed the most people?"

the issue isn't what i have to say. God is the one who quote/unquote judges. if we are to believe that God exists and that the Bible is his communication w/us, then he is the lawmaker. he is the rulemaker and has set boundaries and restrictions. if he says that Jesus is the way the truth and the life, then thats not me judging, that's God makin the rules.
if the President sets protocol for ppl to get into the oval office, no matter what someone does, if they don't follow those protocol, they aren't gettin in the oval office. the president, as rulemaker has set those standards and no matter what ur intentions are or how good u seem, w/o those requirements ur not gettin in.

Now, since I'm not gay... I don't know what it feels like to be hated by so many people that you have never met before... but I don't want to. Does anyone here ever think about how awful it may be? Does anyone care? If not, are you happy that you don't care? That's horrible people!

Why are so many people in this world racist, sexist, elitist, or any other "ist" that would make you hate people so much? What do you fear? At least I'm comfortable enough with my own sexuality, not to fear gay people! If some guy wants to hit on ME, I say NO...that's it, that's all! It would be the EXACT same response to a girl I don't want to date... what's the problem? Why hurt them?

I bet that many of the people who are reading this right now, are not rich. Do you know how many of the people that are more wealthy than you are, that wouldnt want to talk to you... because you are "dirt poor" in comparison? or because of the "low level" job you, or your parents might have. Yup... class distinction...elitism. Well think about the fact that gay bashing, is like 2 million times worse! For the people here....that use religion, and predjudice to say that homosexuality is wrong....do you feel the same way about Jewish people, or black people, or other non-you people???? Do you believe in oppression?, or slavery?, or stripping away peoples freedom? I'd love to know where you bigits stand on these other issues... dont be afraid to admit it.

This message is for all the people that use religion as an excuse to hate people that are different...

The following letter was written to the famous radio call in show "Dr. Laura"... it was adressed to Dr. Laura.




Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear prescription glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

I'm sorry, after I posted my last message, I went to get a drink of water, and I thought of a few more things to say. =)

I'm so surprised that more people on this site, didn't stick up for gay people. Is there anything wrong with wanting to tell people that it's not right to dog on a group of people for no good reason? Does this make me an unusually nice guy?? I'm white... but if you were saying that black people were "gross", I'd say the same things. Because that narrow-minded attitude is what's really gross. You could say being Jewish is wrong too... what your doing is the SAME thing!

What is it that's inside your heads, that make you think even for a second that you are better than anyone?

It's interesting, it really is. Why do you hate gay people? Why do people hate black people? Why do people hate women? Why do people hate people that aren't part of their religion?

Personally, it's you people I would "vote off this planet". Not the minorities. It's wrong to persecute innocent people. It's also sad that you don't know it.

People are ignorant to these hates. People generally are narrow minded and usually jump on a band wagon of hate just for the approval of a few people. These people are sad and in their state they try to spread this sadness. They blame all the problems on a certain people. It horrible and digusting. But I will not hate these people although they can be very agrivating. So right on gays should be aloud to be gay, blacks to be black, umpalumpas to be umpalumpas. What the big fcking deal. Its not like they bother anyone. And as far as Jesus goes And god or whatever. I know that he or they do not agree with this hate either.

Matt you should check out my site below click the www I think you might like it.

I absolutely agree with both of you...

Tolerance towards religion is important in order not to insult the believing people, but if these backward principles contradict human rights then the times of tolerance have to be over!

Homosexuals are humans too, and they do not do anything wrong. The fact that some hypocrites calling themselves "believers" say something different is completely irrelevant!

i think ya'll misunderstand what i'm saying. i don't think i'm better than anyone else. i don't hate homosexuals. i believe in the Bible 100% and it says in Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." what u hafta understand tho, is that all those laws in lev. and exodus were written for the jews. at that time, gentiles were not apart of God's chosen ppl. they could become practicing jews, but it was very hard for them. then in Acts 10:9-17 it talks about when Peter was outside thinkin and the Lord came to him and he saw "something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, 'Get up, Peter, kill and eat.' 'Surely not Lord!' Peter replied. 'I have nver eaten anything impure or unclean.' The voice spoke to him a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.'"
This was the turnin point where now jews could interact and reach out to the gentiles. God made the Gentiles clean, so the Jews could no longer call them unclean. later in acts, ch 15 verses 19-20. "'It is my judgement, therefore, that we should not make it difficult fo the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.'" thats why i don't hafta follow all those rules, bc i'm a gentile and so i follow everything in the new testament, i get insights and encouragement from the old testament, but i don't hafta follow all the lists of rules except the ones applying to sexual immorality. those include not having premarital sex and not having unnatural relations w/other women. its very simple. i don't hafta make sacrifices bc Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. the sacrifices were meant to atone for sin, "for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." blood has to be shed to cover our sin, but Jesus' blood was shed, so we don't hafta. did that make sense? ur welcome to ask questions. but please, keep in mind, God is the rulemaker, i'm simply restating what he told us. i don't think sins are ranked. in other words, someone who lies is just as bad as someone who kills is just as bad as someone who has homosexual relations. i don't hate a liar, but i kno lying is a sin. i don't hate a gay person, but i kno homosexuality is a sin.

SUcha as greed one of the worst sins of all that effect the lives of more people than a woman munching taco or a man taking it up his pipes. There are sins that far out weigh homosexuality but are adressed with such hate. I think that fact that Fat cats rather lay off thousands of people so they can raise their bankroll is horrid and the fact that people can hate people on who hey are is rediculous. Except greed is called sucess these days and isn't frowned upon it is glamourized and made to besomething that we all want.

I have to say that the bible is written by men not god. I think the fdact that the bible has been rewritten to many times over has lost its credibilaty. Who's to say that the roman catholic church is right. Aren't they the ones who through jesus on that cross. What does king james know about today. The bible is a book of fundamental and morals some that still apply today and some that don't. Maybe we should rewrite it agian. Its not like they haven't donme it before right? So would it be wrong to rewrite it? You tell me. I have no quarell with jesus or god. I think that the ones who are so adiment on preaching in such eagerness to spread something for the sake of their own self righteousness is rediculous.

Thanks Mugya. =)

Your right, these people that hate gay people, or black people, or chinese people, women...etc. are so narrow minded, and are ignorant.

There is so LITTLE in religion that I like... so very little. One of those things has always been the fact that religion can comfort, and make people feel better about death, and also help them cope through their difficulties, and losses in life. But how can some people actually use their religion to help them in their fight to destroy the lives of innocent people?????? Religion is supposed to be about caring, about reaching out, about being forgiven... to be a better human being!!

Note to people: what I'm about to say is sick... just a warning...


What if you saw your friend walking over to you, to say hello... but before he made it across the street, a jeep filled with drunk white boys picked him up, and tragically killed him, in a way I wont even say. So the police catch the guys, the only way you sleep at night, is because you know that those guys wont be free to do that to anyone else. But... unfortunately they let them go, because it wasnt against the law to lynch slaves.
You are not equal. You are black.

RELIGION backed it up... LAW backed it up.... SOCIETY backed it up... that was how it was.


Today, you don't want to meet family and have a big dinner your tired, you would rather stay at home and chill. You wake up with the news that your whole family is taken, for doing not ONE thing wrong, and raped, and TORTURED to near death, then, was TORTURED again... to death. This knowledge was given to you, right before they throw you in a truck. They take you to a big bridge, and you hook up with many people in your neighborhood. They put leg chains on you, that attach to another person next to you. Mothers attached to daughters, fathers to sons, doesn't matter. So... the german "soldiers" shoot you in the brain, and throw you off the bridge, letting the one attached to you drown to death in the cold water... so they save 50 % of the bullits.
You are not equal. You are Jewish.

that was how it was


Does anyone here really even want me to continue to talk about all the MANY groups of people were killed, or worse, because of rasict, ignorant, narrow minded, BIGITS like you ANTI-GAY people?????? Your KIND, is the kind that caused all of that horror to those people... how does that make you feel? What if the color of your skin was different? Worse yet... what if you lived on planet earth a few hundred years ago?

Well... the same thing exists here... today. You think (and by saying "you", I'm reffering to you homosexualISTS!) that just because us humans call our CLAWS... fingernails, and cut them, it doesnst make us animals in nature... that's denial. By the same token, you think that just because you can quote a book... it doesn't make you A RASICT %*!@???

You are not equal. You are gay.

this is how it IS!! TODAY!!!!

If anyone quotes something that belonged in a DIFFERENT time period, I will flip out!! It's enough!! News flash.... black people....FREE!!!!! Women.....EQUAL!!!!!!
(Heres a difficult concept, brace yourself...) Times have
C-H-A-N-G-E-D !

Do not quote the book! Because you would even be screwing yourself, everyone knows that if you quote the bible about breaking laws, even YOU would be PUT TO DEATH if you were living in that time, doing the things you do today. Why add "stupidity" and "hypocracy" to your list of already horrible qualities?

VBallAngel4377, you, and people like you... have, and will always be, what holds us back as human beings, from being an enlightened race...

Again, do not use the bible to support your ignorance.

No problem Matt and uh WORD
would say more but I am tired and need sleep
Matt You probably won't take me seriously but e-mail me. I'm curios if you'd help me with my little site. You have good intentions. And it is nice to know there are other people out there that can think outside the box. :cheer:

alright, i was quotin "that book" bc someone was tryin to quote it to throw it back in my face. times have changed, but one thing hasn't- God is still God and he still judges.

I DO NOT HATE GAYS ... do u understand that? do u agree w/ppl that lie? if someone tells u something thats not true, do u think that was right? its the same concept. i don't hate them, but i don't agree w/what they do.
i also don't agree w/what the germans did, or when ppl kept slaves. "religion" may have "supported" it, but God didn't and true Christians didn't either. i don't agree w/the crusades or w/ppl that blow up abortion clinics. i think that's wrong. they don't represent God, they represent themselves.

I would like to know what Germans did that was so horrable if you're talking about the Holocost that was Hitler not the Germans. Most Germans nor Americans had no idea what was going on they had no idea that Hitler had consentration camps all over Europe. Don't blame the Germans blame Hitler by blaming the Germans you look at bit ignorant.

Why would I have anything against German people? lol

I have PLEEENTY against Nazi soldiers.

Who judges what God feels is right and wrong these days?

Matthew I was speaking to Vball not you.

When I say " ..German "soldiers".. " I'm reffering to the period in history that had German soldiers killing innocent people... not the innocent German people I have nothing against. I am not ignorant, nor do I have anything against innocent people, I dont carry ant prejudice. I think you might be trying to look for it, but I dont know you well enough to say that yet. But I do know that instead of agreeing what I said about gay people... you actually thought I had something against another group of people... that's wrong.

You werent talking to me? Woops. I thought I was the only one that brought up the word "German" that's why. Sorry CY.

It's cool hahaha I hate when I mis-read stuff it sucks! Anyway enough of the rambling

CY, I don't know what else to say... it's not easy for me to write a message more passionate, or more powerful that the one I last wrote.

i'm sorry if i misread something, all i saw is that u brought something up about jews and german soldiers, so i mentioned that in my next post

[quote:2400100828]I would like to know what Germans did that was so horrable if you're talking about the Holocost that was Hitler not the Germans. Most Germans nor Americans had no idea what was going on they had no idea that Hitler had consentration camps all over Europe. Don't blame the Germans blame Hitler by blaming the Germans you look at bit ignorant.[/quote:2400100828]
But many Germans were anti-semites and racists, and they behaved like that in everyday life.
The SS and the Reichswehr knew about the death camps and they commited horrofic crimes, not only in the camps but also on the streets so that the population saw it.
The Germans furthermore saw the trains filled with thousand jews and it would be naiv to believe that they did not at least suspect what really was going on.
Hitler told everybody what he was planing, in "Mein Kampf".

What I want to say: It's nice of you to defend the Germans, but they were not completely innocent. Blame not only Hitler.

Umm.. Aren't we getting offtopic now?

Hitler was a facist. He used violence to gain intertia to political power. Hmm? Sounds kind of like someone today. I am not one to judge but to speculate. I see now we are fighting the evils around the world in some grand scheme of good riddance to all infadels. Hmm? This promotion of war and violence has worked also. In the end I believe we will look back on this ordeal and see if for what it truley is. Although we won't be able to speak of it. By that time things will have change. He buraeucracy will overwhelm us and the opression will set in with an odar of regret. :redsmoker

add a d at the end of change and a T in front of He
thanks thats all

Hey, I say "live and let live." Gays don't bother me none. Inciting hatred does, though. :ballons:

Anyone who says that the Christian God hates homosexuals forgets three pertainent principles:
1. We are not allowed to judge
2. We are to love on another
3. We are commanded to forgive.

Anyone who calls himself (herself) a Christian needs to remember that Jesus commanded that we love one another, and that He didn't make an exception for gays.

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thats true, but if God says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22. then me repeating that God doesn't approve is ok. God does not hate gays. he does not hate liars or cheaters. he hates when people lie, or when they cheat or when they have homosexual relations. does that make sense? he hates the wrong thing, but he does not hate the one who does wrong.

we are commanded to forgive if they acknowledge they've down wrong

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we are commanded to forgive if they acknowledge they've down wrong [/quote:d65aad209f]

The only way that they are in a position to need to ask for your forgiveness is if you judge them. ANd what does God have to say about judging others?

Your hateful 'Christianity' is complete crapolla.

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The homosexuality lifestyle is a choice, no doubt. [/quote:1645cb869c]
No, it isn't. Have you ever asked a homosexual? I have, and guess what he said he was born with it and never chose to "become" a homosexual.

As for all this sin crap. If it makes you happy, then whatever. Just remember that not eveyone is so narrowminded.

I have no problems with gay/bi-sexual people (male AND females).

There are worse things in the world to worry more about then someones sexual preference.

HELL YEAH! WARP! YOU ROCK! There are other problems in the world that we should worry about and we need to do something about it!

I am Evil Homer, I am Evil Homer, I am Evil Homer, I am Evil Homer ..............

Well what do you know? I already posted a complete answer to this problem here (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=4079#post4079). Hope this will clear up any damage that groups such as GodHatesFags cause to the true Christians' reputation. You see, I do not think that that site is run by genuine Christians, because they do not espouse beliefs that agree with God's Word.