I was just utterly disgusted about the remarks rapper Kanye West made about Pres Bush...saying he doesn't care about black people....How ignorant of him. Who does he think he is saying such crap....I guess he didnt realize there were white people as well as blacks and a few famous people who were affected by the tragic outcome of hurricane Katrina. Pres Bush wasnt the one driving the trucks to deliver the food and water....i dont think the President should have the finger pointed at him for the problems that arose...it took more people than just the Pres. Maybe if Kanye drove the trucks...(right) im sure everyone would just be hunky dory... with the food and water he dropped of. Maybe he should get his slacker head out of his but and open his eyes and realize that it was the organizations that couldnt get the supplies in since ti was so flooded and also for the fact that those idiots were shooting at the persons trying to help them. Kanye is a moron. Period!!

Can I see the quote he made?

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Warmly welcome newcomer Kanye West! :D

Geez, were you a big fan of his? Or lover maybe?

The day i listen to ganster rap anyone feel free to shoot me, especially if its kanye west.

Originally posted by Evakian
The day i listen to ganster rap anyone feel free to shoot me, especially if its kanye west. Why? If you listen to that shit you're already brain dead anyway. :)

Why? If you listen to that shit you're already brain dead anyway

Fo' shizzle :D

Yea, rap is terrible stuff, technically speaking i believe it cannot be defined as music because of the way the sound waves travel.

Can I see the quote he made?
West: "George Bush doesn't care about black people!"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090300165.html

Originally posted by Evakian
The day i listen to ganster rap anyone feel free to shoot me, especially if its kanye west.

Now that I know you're not his lover...Do you really think what's his name West gives a damn what you think?

Originally posted by HaVoK
Why? If you listen to that shit you're already brain dead anyway. :)

Well, so much for American youth.

Now that I know you're not his lover...Do you really think what's his name West gives a damn what you think?

He'd probably have his homeboys cap me off fo sho ;)

But, i care not about his opinion.

i feel about 2 steps away from transforming into Trav hehe

Day when we knew Katrina was going to be a Category Four storm aimed at Louisiana and Mississippi, and when the leaders of those states started begging Bush for help with the levees and other needs:
August 25, 2005 -- four days before it hit New Orleans.

Day when Bush actually started to do something:
September 1, 2005 -- three days AFTER the hurricane hit New Orleans.

Day when Chief Justice William Rehnquist died:
September 3, 2005.

Day when Bush nominated John Roberts to be Chief Justice: September 4, 2005.

Priorities, you know.

And you are omniscient and know exactly what President Bush and his administration are doing and thinking every second of every day.

Originally posted by obeda
Well, so much for American youth. So much for American "society" as a whole.

Yea, pretty much the neighborhoods where rap is played there is poverty, crime, little education, and its run down.

Coincidence? ;)

Now hold on. I actually listen to rap and enjoy it. Now granted, a lot of it is pop crap, which i hate anyway, but there are some who are actually artists.

To each his own.

Yea, pretty much the neighborhoods where rap is played there is poverty, crime, little education, and its run down

Duh....I listen to Kanye...

Have you ever listened to any of his songs? I recommend "diamonds are forever" He talks about the blood diamonds is Sierra Leone......

Kanye is one of the few I do like.....He has a political consciense, and it isn't "gansta" rap.

To each their own.

He had every right to say what he did......most of the white people safely drove off in their SUV's.

Originally posted by creetwins
He had every right to say what he did......most of the white people safely drove off in their SUV's.


eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!:D

Originally posted by creetwins
Duh....I listen to Kanye...

Have you ever listened to any of his songs? I recommend "diamonds are forever" He talks about the blood diamonds is Sierra Leone......

Kanye is one of the few I do like.....He has a political consciense, and it isn't "gansta" rap.

To each their own.

He had every right to say what he did......most of the white people safely drove off in their SUV's.

In this world of stupid reasoning i could call that a racist comment ;), but i won't since it is not; it is a sad, mostly true observation :(

As for the political conscience, rap since its beginnings has been that way (such as Public Enemy). He isn't new or revolutionary, and he's not much of an artist or singer, he is still a rapper, which is neither of those two.

Originally posted by creetwins
He had every right to say what he did......most of the white people safely drove off in their SUV's.

I didn't realize that having enough money to buy an SUV made you racist.

Well, he does have every right to say what he said but only because he has the right to free speech and is entitled to his opinion, however foolish.

As for most of the white people driving off safely in their SUV's, I'm sure there were some black people who drove off safely in their SUV's as well.

What good does it do to make these kind of statements at a time like this?

What good does it do to make these kind of statements at a time like this? Apart from propagating deep-rooted hatred and resentment? None. And that goes both blacks and whites.

I agree. And when you look at it from that perspective, it would seem that Kanye West doesn't care to help his people much either.

Originally posted by creetwins
He had every right to say what he did......most of the white people safely drove off in their SUV's.

I personally did not view this as a racist remark... It never occurred to me that it could be taken as such... Most whites did clear the city... most people that were left behind where black and extremely poor... It's fact period!

Originally posted by golleemollee
I agree. And when you look at it from that perspective, it would seem that Kanye West doesn't care to help his people much either. Hi gollee, welcome to allforums. I mean no disrespect to you personally, but i have to wonder why people feel this way? Arent "his people" Americans? Why do we as a society continue to alllow people to associate "types" with color?

There is obviously a racial problem in New Orleans. Anyone looking at the pictures of Katrina's victims understands that.

Disasters seem to be quite good at showing a society's weaknesses. Two years ago, a very hot summer in France resulted in thousand of elderly people dying. This lead to questioning our health system and, more generally, the way old people are taken care of.

Now I guess it's time for the USA to do the same thing about emergency issues and about poor people - who are mostly black people.

Originally posted by astrapol2
There is obviously a racial problem in New Orleans. Anyone looking at the pictures of Katrina's victims understands that.

Disasters seem to be quite good at showing a society's weaknesses. Two years ago, a very hot summer in France resulted in thousand of elderly people dying. This lead to questioning our health system and, more generally, the way old people are taken care of.

Now I guess it's time for the USA to do the same thing about emergency issues and about poor people - who are mostly black people. There are already countless government programs giving money and aid away to poor people in this country. What more would you have them do?

I also disagree that the problem in New Orleans is race related. In my opinion the problem with America is the differences in class. Meaning lower, middle, and upper. In every country of the world, the lower class people are always going to be hit the hardest in times of trouble. Thats the way it's always been and always will be.

Thanks for the welcome HaVOK. No offense taken.

Just cause I'm a "newbie" if you disagree with me, "dat's OK", I'll try not to view the entire forum as unfriendly.

That said .. well, there you go. That's human nature of whatever color and that's what these type of remarks tend to do, paint people with broad brushes.

Saying he (Bush) doesn't care about black people, well, that can lead to a whole host of conclusions amongst both black and white people. Sure would like to think we are all Americans but the fact is we are all something-Americans.

I agree with astrapol2 (bonjour, mon ami) that the disaster points up these weaknesses in our system.

But to say now is the time to do something about the poor people, well, that's too simple, don't you think? When welfare was phased out by Clinton, the message was that the poor are supposed to do something about themselves now. So much emphasis was put upon welfare itself being responsible for poverty. Give hand up, not a hand out, etc. etc.

So to say that Bush doesn't give a hoot about blacks at this particular time, I do think it's pretty inflammatory and right about now, I don't even want to watch TV or read the news this week because I don't really want to listen to all the Bush-bashing that is going on. I think it sucks. Probably because I feel that if you don't have something good to add to a situation, then you shouldn't add something bad.

Have to go to work now, or I'll be poor myself this week.

Originally posted by HaVoK
I also disagree that the problem in New Orleans is race related. In my opinion the problem with America is the differences in class. Meaning lower, middle, and upper. In every country of the world, the lower class people are always going to be hit the hardest in times of trouble. Thats the way it's always been and always will be.

Oh it is gonna kill me to say this but,*cough* I think you have a point.*cough* The thing in New Orleans to me though is race related from a historical perspective but if they were all white and poor there would still have been the same response about bussing them out to begin with. It wouldn't have happened and it didn't happen. Much of this could have been avoided if they had been given the option of free bus rides out before hand.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but surely to gawd they were aware of what could possibly/probably happen.

As for the Bush bashing, he did not respond quickly enough or with enough. That too is fact. Those that hate the man are going to add this to their asshole list. Those that like the man are going to defend him.

Thank you for not bashing my comments to bad. I really dont want to sound like Im being one sided. I agree that if people in the media can't say possitive things at moments like these, it will cause more damage to the american people who truly want to see this as a good place. We do as a country have our own problems, and we may not respond with the quickest of speeds, but we could be living in a third world country where there would be no response at all. I am truly glad to say that at least we do have some sort of response to disasters ...whether it is quick or not. (Im trying to be possitive here...have a heart). I just hope that in a month from now...maybe New Orleans will start to come up with an escape plan so that if an evacuation is nessecary...people will have a way out. Come to think of it...I have an Idea. What would it hurt to use the towns school buses to evacuate people. Im sure that with the size of the town that there is a multitude of buses. They should maybe throw that up to the board...hmmm? Any possible plan of action is better than no action at all...wouldnt you agree? You will have to pardon me if I do get things a little of kilter... I dont get a chance to monitor the news 24/7. I only get to glimpse it now and then and read what I can in the papers....If I need to be corrected...please feel free...but do it gently...I hate seeing harsh words thrown around...there is enough of that going on already. Thanks.

Originally posted by koffee_kitten
we could be living in a third world country where there would be no response at all.

Last time i checked they get pretty decent responces. Big ole storm blows through and wipes out a section of african third world suburbia and we are sending planes, helicopters and red cross trucks out there to save them.


Originally posted by koffee_kitten
Come to think of it...I have an Idea. What would it hurt to use the towns school buses to evacuate people.

They arnt amazing when it comes to aquatic rescue missions. Hindsight's a bitch :)


Originally posted by koffee_kitten
I dont get a chance to monitor the news 24/7. I only get to glimpse it now and then

Talk to 500lb, I heard he gets anti-bush/anti-american news reports beamed directly to his brain 24/7. Maybe you could hook that up? :D :D




Originally posted by koffee_kitten
I hate seeing harsh words thrown around...there is enough of that going on already. Thanks.

Oh dear lol, things can get quite verbally assaultive at times.

West: "George Bush doesn't care about black people!"

This statement is just dumb, of course bush cares about black people.....during election years.

Originally posted by HaVoK
There are already countless government programs giving money and aid away to poor people in this country. What more would you have them do?

They obviously failed.

QUOTE]Originally posted by HaVoK

I also disagree that the problem in New Orleans is race related. In my opinion the problem with America is the differences in class. Meaning lower, middle, and upper. In every country of the world, the lower class people are always going to be hit the hardest in times of trouble. Thats the way it's always been and always will be. [/QUOTE]

OK but how comes 90% of poor people in NE seem to be black ? If that is a not a race issues, what is it ? Suntan issue ?

Originally posted by astrapol2


OK but how comes 90% of poor people in NE seem to be black ? If that is a not a race issues, what is it ? Suntan issue ?

Id hazard a guess that its because its a huge port, and back in the day the ships came through with African slaves. A great number of them probably got put to work in New Orleans as well as the rest of Louisiana.

After it became illegal, most of them would have looked for jobs close to their familys and i suspect a bustiling dock in the 1870's where they would have had a huge huge surge of materials coming in would have giving rise to thousands of jobs and thus allowed all the now free african slaves to begin anew.

Could be wrong though

The only part of his comments I didnt agree with was the black people...it should have read: "George Bush doesnt care about anyone."

Originally posted by ~Sal~
I personally did not view this as a racist remark... It never occurred to me that it could be taken as such... Most whites did clear the city... most people that were left behind where black and extremely poor... It's fact period!

Not by itself, but since it's backing up West's comments, I think it'd have to be viewed as such.

Originally posted by astrapol2
OK but how comes 90% of poor people in NE seem to be black ? If that is a not a race issues, what is it ? Suntan issue ?

1) An economic issue, because NO doesn't have the most robust of economies, and
2) A location issue, because NO is where the blacks are living. Most of the people in the flattened parts of Mississippi are white.

I know this is going to sound bad, but, I will say it anyway because I dont give a shizzle mo' fizzle. All of the poor blacks who used to talk about going back to the mother land now hove a great chance. Want to start over? start over in the place you always talked about going back to when you felt fed up with the white people bossing you around. I say this becasue I knew many black people who used to talk about going "back to the mother land" . The funny thing was, when we actually went there, we used to mess with them and say "ok we are in the mother land, w e will leave you here" and they would say "no you wont moth fucka!" LOL, good times, good times.

Lokideviluk......when I made the comment about using the towns school buses to evacuate...I meant use them before the levee broke. When the order to evacuate came before the hurricane actually hit, there were multiple families saying they had no means of transportation to leave. The buses could have been used to take the families to a safer location outside of New Orleans. That was all I meant by that. It really isn't all that bad of an idea. I know it would have taken many of trips to get them out, but even if it were to save a few lives don't you think it would be worth doing something along those lines?

N.O. also has a very good metro system of buses. I wonder why they were not used to evacuate people befor the storm?

There are also a very large number of trains in and out of N.O. How come they weren't used to evacuate people?

There are numerous barges and ships traveling up and down the big muddy. How came they were not used?

probably because Bush told them all to abbandon the blacks

There are a numerous amount of different transportations that could have been put to use. Hopefully they will maybe think about putting some of them to use in the event that another tragedy such as this arises.Its just ashame that it wasn't done for this though...imagine the number of people that could have been saved. I know they didn't want to leave their homes, but isn't it better to save you and your families lives then to stay and risk everyone? there isn't anyway they could save there homes...it is beyond there means...so why stay if you can leave. (yes I know some couldn't leave) but the ones that could and didn't..well what more can we say?

Originally posted by Travh20
probably because Bush told them all to abbandon the blacks

lol

Originally posted by astrapol2
They obviously failed. Ok. But you completely avoided my question, didnt you? What more would You have them do?


Originally posted by astrapol2

OK but how comes 90% of poor people in NE seem to be black ? If that is a not a race issues, what is it ? Suntan issue ? I can only give you my opinion on that. It appears that the majority of the black population of the United States gravitate to the larger coastal cities, since these larger cities have readily available government welfare programs in them.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Ok. But you completely avoided my question, didnt you? What more would YOU have them do?

The problem in N.O. is not race related, however the government could have done much more to help the poor and old and disabled get out of the city. Some suggestions: evacuate the city's poor useing trains, metro buses, school buses, ships, etc. Be standing by with clean water, food and disaster recovery teams, put the national guard in the surrounding states on alert to be mobilized at a moments notice.

Originally posted by Echo2
The problem in N.O. is not race related, however the government could have done much more to help the poor and old and disabled get out of the city. Some suggestions: evacuate the city's poor useing trains, metro buses, school buses, ships, etc. Be standing by with clean water, food and disaster recovery teams, put the national guard in the surrounding states on alert to be mobilized at a moments notice. Great post Echo. :) I agree on all counts.

They actually have a link to images of the school buses that could have been used on this page, comparing Guiliani to Nagin

http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=9815

Hey...dont I get some credit...lol...I thought of the school bus Idea. :)

Originally posted by koffee_kitten
Hey...dont I get some credit...lol...I thought of the school bus Idea. :)

No.. you get nothing.

City buses were being used but no one got on them.

lokideviluk.....you are a mean lil man who is still wet behind the ears.....I wasn't asking for credit from you anyway.

Originally posted by koffee_kitten
lokideviluk.....you are a mean lil man who is still wet behind the ears.....I wasn't asking for credit from you anyway.

Koffee, yes indeed you did mention school buses first and should get the credit for it.

PS - Don't mind these lugs around here, most of them are computer geeks with no life, few social skills and oppinions they won't change even when hit in the face with proof.

I wonder if Kanye West would make these remarks to Bush's face?

After Nagin met Bush, he was asked if he let Bush have it. Well -- he didn't.

Originally posted by golleemollee
After Nagin met Bush, he was asked if he let Bush have it. Well -- he didn't.

Of course not - Bush holds the pursestrings.

Every politician involved in this thing are trying their damndest to blame someone else while pretending that they're the strong Guiliani-esque leader.

Thank you ECHO. Its good to know there are still some people with manners and know how to use them. I appreciate it.. Thanks again.:)