IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG

Less than a day. That's how long it took the wacko leftist fringe to blame Hurricane Katrina on President George W. Bush. That's right...it's all his fault. Apparently he had the CIA weather satellites pointed at the Gulf of Mexico to stir things up. I guess sometimes you need to spice things up on long, slow vacations.

Some of the allegations include that Louisiana is not as well-protected because there are so many National Guard troops in Iraq. Uh-huh. But the biggie is that Katrina was caused by global warming...and we all know who the sole source of global warming is in the whole world. It's the mean, evil United States of America, with George Bush at the helm. The media is already pointing out that global warming warms the ocean...and that's an ingredient of these hurricanes...so ah ha! Halliburton caused it all. Well, not really. The easiest way to refute this is to point out the following.

Hurricanes have been around forever, long before man invented everything that is supposedly causing "global warming." In fact, one scientist quoted by the New York Times (no, really, it was the Times) says this whole hurricane cycle is normal. In fact, we've been doing better than the norm. So much for global warming causing hurricanes.

By the way ... did you read last week that some scientists are starting to resign from a much-ballyhooed global warming panel? These scientists are saying that there is no substantive evidence that whatever global warming we do have is caused by the actions of man. To the environmental crowd, this is heresy.

Can you imagine if all of these leftist enviro-wackos had been around during the ice age? They would have blamed that one on George Bush, too.

NOW -- I FEEL COMPELLED TO POINT OUT ....

That what we are seeing in New Orleans today is nothing compared to what we might see if Islamic terrorists ever manage to realize their dream of bringing a nuclear device into this country. We're seeing tremendous losses and devastation in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. This is nothing compared to what you might see if the radical adherents of the wonderful, peaceful religion of Islam realize their dreams.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/29/104828.shtml

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1099102,00.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/science/earth/23clim.html

Originally posted by gmsisko1
Hurricanes have been around forever, long before man invented everything that is supposedly causing "global warming." In fact, one scientist quoted by the New York Times (no, really, it was the Times) says this whole hurricane cycle is normal. In fact, we've been doing better than the norm.

Scientists are divided on whether or not global warming is contributing to the increase in hurricane activity.

But there is little to no argument among the scientific community that hurricans have been INCREASING in number and intenisty over the past 10 years.

And the claim ---"We've been doing better than the norm" ---is patently FALSE.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2225.htm

May 17, 2004 — NOAA forecasters are predicting an above-normal Atlantic hurricane season. At a news conference Monday in Houston, Texas, NOAA officials said the season outlook is for 12 to 15 tropical storms, with six to eight systems becoming hurricanes, and two to four of those major hurricanes.

Homeland Security’s Federal Emergency Management Agency officials joined NOAA in urging Gulf and Atlantic Coast states to be prepared for an active season, which runs from June 1 through November 30.

“The forecast is the result of thousands of hours of work by NOAA and its partners,” said retired Navy Vice Adm. Conrad C. Lautenbacher, Ph.D., undersecretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “NOAA investments in high speed computers, improved weather modeling and extensive Earth observation systems enable our scientists and forecasters to gather and synthesize information and begin the process of preparing the public to take action.”

“NOAA’s 2004 Atlantic hurricane season outlook indicates a 50 percent probability of an above-normal season, a 40 percent probability of a near-normal season and only a 10 percent chance of a below-normal season,” said retired Air Force Brig. Gen. David L. Johnson, director of the NOAA National Weather Service. Similar seasons averaged two to three landfalling hurricanes in the continental United States, and one to two hurricanes in the region around the Caribbean Sea.

The Atlantic hurricane outlook reflects a likely continuation of above-normal activity that began in 1995. Since then all but two Atlantic hurricane seasons (the El Niño years of 1997 and 2002) have been above normal.

NOAA scientists are predicting ENSO neutral conditions (neither El Niño nor La Niña) through July. There is a likelihood these conditions will continue through the peak August-October months of the hurricane season. The main factors in the above-normal outlook are the active phase of the Atlantic multi-decadal signal and a continuation of warmer-than-normal ocean temperatures across the tropical Atlantic. These conditions are associated with circulation patterns that favor an above-normal hurricane season.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.html

NOAA is calling for a 95% to 100% chance of an above-normal 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, according to a consensus of scientists at National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) Climate Prediction Center (CPC), Hurricane Research Division (HRD), and National Hurricane Center (NHC). This forecast reflects NOAA’s highest confidence of an above-normal hurricane season since their outlooks began in August 1998.

Hurricane seasons during 1995-2004 have averaged 13.6 tropical storms, 7.8 hurricanes, 3.8 major hurricanes, and with an average ACE index of 159% of the median. NOAA classifies all but two of these ten seasons (El Niño years of 1997 and 2002) as above normal, and six of these years as hyperactive. If the 2005 season verifies as predicted, it will be the seventh hyperactive season in the last 11 years. In contrast, during the preceding 1970-1994 period, hurricane seasons averaged 9 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 1.5 major hurricanes, with an average ACE index of only 75% of the median. NOAA classifies twelve (almost one-half) of these 25 seasons as being below normal, only three as being above normal (1980, 1988, 1988), and none as being hyperactive.

So GWB has a weather coltrol device?

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
So GWB has a weather coltrol device?

Yep, remember he is on a first name basis with god. :D

"and God said "Let there be Hurricanes, So that they may please man and bring him joy""

was he also responsible for the tsunami, Hurricane Andrew, and, from even before being concieved...the Galveston Hurricane of 1900? Oh, don't forget the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake.

Originally posted by Echo2
Yep, remember he is on a first name basis with god. :D
That was actually pretty funny, Echo. :)

Originally posted by gmsisko1
Less than a day. That's how long it took the wacko leftist fringe to blame Hurricane Katrina on President George W. Bush.

Before we get too far away from the lead post of this thread.....could you cite a couple of the news articles, or stories, or televised reports, or whatever you have where you saw or read that a "wacko leftwing" source had asserted that -- "George Bush is to blame for Hurricane Katrina."

Thanks.

(BTW......over in another thread, we're still waiting to hear your cites for the 500 tons of yellowcake uranium that you claim was found in Iraq. )

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
"and God said "Let there be Hurricanes, So that they may please man and bring him joy""

hehehe :D

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
"and God said "Let there be Hurricanes, So that they may please man and bring him joy""

I think God was speaking of the alcoholic beverage.

One especially sobering study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found that hurricane wind speeds have increased about 50% in the past 50 years. That's quoted from YOUR SOURCE, Sisco. Do you actually read the sources you post, or do figure we won't bother to look at them? Sure does look like global warming to me. Somebody refresh my memory, what are the industrialized countries that have not yet signed the Kyoto Accord? Feel free to credit Georgie Lunkhead for that, Sis.

Sisko......still waiting for you to quote a couple of the news articles, or stories, or televised reports, or whatever you have where you saw or read that a "wacko leftwing" source had stated that -- "George Bush is to blame for Hurricane Katrina."

(BTW......over in another thread, we're still waiting to hear your cites for the 500 tons of yellowcake uranium that you claim was found in Iraq. )

This supports the theory that the end times (from the Bible)
are almost here.


Originally posted by Freethinker
Scientists are divided on whether or not global warming is contributing to the increase in hurricane activity.

But there is little to no argument among the scientific community that hurricans have been INCREASING in number and intenisty over the past 10 years.

And the claim ---"We've been doing better than the norm" ---is patently FALSE.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2225.htm

May 17, 2004 — NOAA forecasters are predicting an above-normal Atlantic hurricane season. At a news conference Monday in Houston, Texas, NOAA officials said the season outlook is for 12 to 15 tropical storms, with six to eight systems becoming hurricanes, and two to four of those major hurricanes.

Homeland Security’s Federal Emergency Management Agency officials joined NOAA in urging Gulf and Atlantic Coast states to be prepared for an active season, which runs from June 1 through November 30.

“The forecast is the result of thousands of hours of work by NOAA and its partners,” said retired Navy Vice Adm. Conrad C. Lautenbacher, Ph.D., undersecretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “NOAA investments in high speed computers, improved weather modeling and extensive Earth observation systems enable our scientists and forecasters to gather and synthesize information and begin the process of preparing the public to take action.”

“NOAA’s 2004 Atlantic hurricane season outlook indicates a 50 percent probability of an above-normal season, a 40 percent probability of a near-normal season and only a 10 percent chance of a below-normal season,” said retired Air Force Brig. Gen. David L. Johnson, director of the NOAA National Weather Service. Similar seasons averaged two to three landfalling hurricanes in the continental United States, and one to two hurricanes in the region around the Caribbean Sea.

The Atlantic hurricane outlook reflects a likely continuation of above-normal activity that began in 1995. Since then all but two Atlantic hurricane seasons (the El Niño years of 1997 and 2002) have been above normal.

NOAA scientists are predicting ENSO neutral conditions (neither El Niño nor La Niña) through July. There is a likelihood these conditions will continue through the peak August-October months of the hurricane season. The main factors in the above-normal outlook are the active phase of the Atlantic multi-decadal signal and a continuation of warmer-than-normal ocean temperatures across the tropical Atlantic. These conditions are associated with circulation patterns that favor an above-normal hurricane season.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.html

NOAA is calling for a 95% to 100% chance of an above-normal 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, according to a consensus of scientists at National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) Climate Prediction Center (CPC), Hurricane Research Division (HRD), and National Hurricane Center (NHC). This forecast reflects NOAA’s highest confidence of an above-normal hurricane season since their outlooks began in August 1998.

Hurricane seasons during 1995-2004 have averaged 13.6 tropical storms, 7.8 hurricanes, 3.8 major hurricanes, and with an average ACE index of 159% of the median. NOAA classifies all but two of these ten seasons (El Niño years of 1997 and 2002) as above normal, and six of these years as hyperactive. If the 2005 season verifies as predicted, it will be the seventh hyperactive season in the last 11 years. In contrast, during the preceding 1970-1994 period, hurricane seasons averaged 9 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 1.5 major hurricanes, with an average ACE index of only 75% of the median. NOAA classifies twelve (almost one-half) of these 25 seasons as being below normal, only three as being above normal (1980, 1988, 1988), and none as being hyperactive.

Did you not read the links I posted in the first post?


Originally posted by Freethinker
Sisko......still waiting for you to quote a couple of the news articles, or stories, or televised reports, or whatever you have where you saw or read that a "wacko leftwing" source had stated that -- "George Bush is to blame for Hurricane Katrina."

(BTW......over in another thread, we're still waiting to hear your cites for the 500 tons of yellowcake uranium that you claim was found in Iraq. )

No one has proven it's global warming. Get off your soap box!

The Bible predicts that near the end times, stormes will get much

worse. And if global warming exists, is it ALL Bush's fault?


Originally posted by fluffernutter
That's quoted from YOUR SOURCE, Sisco. Do you actually read the sources you post, or do figure we won't bother to look at them? Sure does look like global warming to me. Somebody refresh my memory, what are the industrialized countries that have not yet signed the Kyoto Accord? Feel free to credit Georgie Lunkhead for that, Sis.

Originally posted by gmsisko1
Did you not read the links I posted in the first post?

Yes, I did, gmsisko.

But nowhere in your cites could I find what you claimed was there..........i.e., wacko leftwingers saying that Hurricane Katrina is George Bush's fault.

Just go to the sources you have, the news articles, or stories, or televised reports, or whatever you have, and provide us the direct quotes that demonstrate a "wacko leftwing" source has stated that -- "Hurricane Katrina is George Bush's fault!"

Conversely, you could admit that you do not have any such quotes. It's up to you.

(BTW......over in another thread, we're still waiting to hear your cites for the 500 tons of yellowcake uranium that you claim was found in Iraq. )

Blaming the Prez. for a natural disaster...I just can't get enough of reading this!

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
Blaming the Prez. for a natural disaster......

Maybe you could help sisko with his search for a statement by a wacko leftwinger that Hurricane Katrina is Bush's fault......??

I'll let him find it for himself...after all, he made the claim.

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
I'll let him find it for himself...after all, he made the claim.

??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!

Buuuuuuuuut......didn't you just get through stating -----"Blaming the Prez. for a natural disaster...I just can't get enough of reading this!"

?!?!

I was lead to believe that you had read such a comment yourself. ......?!? No?

But then, maybe you were just taking sisko's word for it.

I guess I'll just wait for sisko to provide the pertinent quotes.

<Sigh>...sisko makes the claim that President Bush is at fault for the Hurricane. I'm saying I can't get enough of reading this because of how quick-to-blame he is, and also cause of how absent-minded this claim seems to be (again, a comedic comment). If I seriously thoguht this was true, I would have dropped out of school long ago.

If he thinks it's true, but has no source or evidence for it, we'll wait together until he finds something that literally says, in bold print, "PRESIDENT BUSH BLAMED FOR HURRICANE CRISIS!"

Learn to Laugh a little, FT. This story is literally an IQ Dropper anyway.

The t.v. news said that Robert Kennedy Jr. was the first to cast a stone at Bush for Katrina.

Let us face the fact that shit-happens.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
The t.v. news said that Robert Kennedy Jr. was the first to cast a stone at Bush for Katrina.


Kennedy may have indeed *cast a stone at Bush*.

But sisko asserted that **wacko leftwingers have stated that --"Hurricane Katrina is George Bush's fault"**.

I just wanted to see what his evidence for that claim was.

We'll wait and see.

Originally posted by silverbulletkc

Learn to Laugh a little, FT.

Oh, i DO laugh.

I laugh my ass off at dim-witted little conservadrones who read a fucking headline at newsmax or drudge that makes some hyperbolic, bullshit claim, and ---without even examining the content of the article supposedly making the assertion-- rush to the bulletin board of the e-ville leftwingers to fling said assertion in their face.

I laugh even louder when they are called upon to substantiate their claims, but cannot.

I personally would think more of a politician that has answers to the problems occuring in the hurricane path, rather than any taking the opportunity to "showboat" for political gain.
But, alas, tis the nature of the beast.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
I personally would think more of a politician that has answers to the problems occuring in the hurricane path,

Bush seems to have shown some genuine concern for the suffering and devastation Katerina has caused......i think he'll do something for those people......out of political expediency, if nothing else.

First off, I'm an environmentalist. I do believe that we're not doing anywhere near enough to protect the wilderness. I'll also admit that I'm somewhat liberal. However, I'm also a liberal environmentalist who's in the military, and willing to fight for your right to say such mean, nasty, and hurtful things about me, gmsisko.

I swear some people have too much time on their hands, and not enough meds.

I think God was speaking of the alcoholic beverage. heh. good one.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Oh, i DO laugh.

I laugh my ass off at dim-witted little conservadrones who read a fucking headline at newsmax or drudge that makes some hyperbolic, bullshit claim, and ---without even examining the content of the article supposedly making the assertion-- rush to the bulletin board of the e-ville leftwingers to fling said assertion in their face.

I laugh even louder when they are called upon to substantiate their claims, but cannot.
As do I...let's share a drink. :drinktoth

It must be pretty bad down there if Dunce Armstrong left the ranch two days ahead of schedule.
There must be a God. He helped knock Iraq, Cindy, and Dunce's pal Pat off the front pages for His pal, Dunce.
Mother Nature is Satan in drag.
But a year from now--maybe less--we'll all be marvelling at how New Orleans and Biloxi were able to bounce back.
And Denny Hastert will be president after Dick and Dunce are impeached and hauled away in leg irons. Dare to dream.

W didn't cause Katrina, thats obvious. Its also an obvious and idiot ploy to deflect criticism by professional liars (often called 'spin masters')

What W did do:
Starting in 2002 W started cutting the funding to the LA Nat'l Guard Corp of Engineers by record numbers. They pleaded for the money to reinforce levees and increase hurricane/flood protection.

Started a War on lies then used the National Guard to suppliment the overseas branchs. Depriving LA of 4100 Nat'l Guard members.

Same war, is using much of the equipment needed to help handle the situation. Hummers, helicopters and amphibious vehicles are in short supply.

His actions has exasperated the situation.

Nice of him to continue golfing while this whole situation was unfolding and then cutting his record long vacation short 2 whole days!

articles:
http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13449

The hurricane is not Bush's fault but the bungled response to it is.

Apparently there have been racial differences in police searches around American according to a report published by the Justice Department.
The results were apparently going to be tampered with but the author, a Mr. Greenfield, refused to change the data or censor the report to make the politicians in charge happy.
The report noted that it had "uncovered evidence of black drivers having worse experiences - more likely to be arrested, more likely to be searched, more likely to be have force used against them - during traffic stops than white drivers."
Mr. Greenfield has been forced to move to another job as a result of his refusal to cover this information up.
At this time Hurricane Katrina has devastated large parts of the Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana coastlines.
Most not ably it has nearly destroyed New Orleans.
New Orleans is a predominately black city.
The response from Washington has been agonizingly slow. Even though nearly 18 percent of American oil production has been impacted and nearly 25 percent of American refining capacity has been affected by the disaster the response has been lackluster.
The levees in the center of the city have failed and due to no small coincidence that money to maintain them has been reduced in recent years.
Millions of Americans have seen their lives disrupted and the nation’s fuel supply has been threatened. The response has been slow and fraught with incompetence already.
Where hundreds of millions of dollars in aid and equipment and personnel were made nearly immediately available to the predominantly white and Cuban neighborhoods impacted in Florida (where the President’s brother is governor) the process for relief and action has stagnated in the Gulf Coast region and predominantly black and lower class neighborhoods.

You know whats really irksome about the coverage. The 'news keeps saying its dangerous to b in the water because of bugs. Completely ignoring the fact that hundreds of idustrial manufacturing plants that produce toxic substances are all over that area. Paricularly in poor neighborhoods, the same neighborhoods where people are less likely to be able to flee the storm. sigh.

good interviews on the subject:
http://www.democracynow.org/index.pl?issue=20050830

A horrible natural disaster has overcome the cities of Biloxi, Mobile and the Great American Port of New Orleans.

Don’t get the idea that the Federal Government can just make the problem go away.

The Americans in the Gulf Coast area are going to need our help.

They are going to need the help and assistance of all Americans.

Their normal assistance systems have been devastated because the National Guard in those states has been sent to Iraq.

The Red Cross has suffered a string of embarrassing situations involving money and aid.

FEMA is a small agency that has been cobbled together quickly.

The Army Corps of Engineers has long been a slow moving and inefficient bureaucracy.

That leaves this job up to you.

Collections of non-perishable food (freeze dried or canned, powdered drinks, coffee and other items) as well as collections of dry goods including blankets, pillows and other items should begin immediately.

Decisions on where to ship the items can be made in a couple of weeks but the organization to collect these items should begin immediately.

Let us do this right.

We put soldiers in the fight without the proper equipment. It’s time to make up for that. Don’t let your neighbors starve, freeze, drown or be ravaged by poverty just because you are too busy to do what is right.

Some people wonder when it is time to do the right thing. That time is now. The person responsible for making this thing right is you.

Episcopal Relief & Development: 1-800-334-7SPAMSPAMSPAM or http://www.er-d.org/

United Methodist Committee on Relief: 1-800-554-8583 or http://gbgm-umc.org/umcor/emergency/hurricanes/2005/

Salvation Army: 1-800-SAL-ARMY or http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/

Catholic Charities: 1-800-919-9338 or http://www.catholiccharitiesusa

First 9-11 and now Katrina. Man those Gays sure are dangerous!!!

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

Oh no wait...Gods just angry because the Israelis had to give back what wasn't theirs in the first place, thats why.

http://www.jnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=676

:@@:

Originally posted by cranston36
The hurricane is not Bush's fault but the bungled response to it is.

I can accept the argument that funding priorities have exacerbated the problem, but it's way too early to go around saying that the response has been inadequate.

If you were smart, you would know that the Palistinians are from Jordan. Israel was attacked, the Gaza strip was won in a legit war. The Gaza strip does belong to Israel, and they gave it up.

If one more bomb is set off in Israel by Islam extremists, Israel should roll into the Gaza strip with tanks and take it back.


Originally posted by cranston36
A horrible natural disaster has overcome the cities of Biloxi, Mobile and the Great American Port of New Orleans.

Don’t get the idea that the Federal Government can just make the problem go away.

The Americans in the Gulf Coast area are going to need our help.

They are going to need the help and assistance of all Americans.

Their normal assistance systems have been devastated because the National Guard in those states has been sent to Iraq.

The Red Cross has suffered a string of embarrassing situations involving money and aid.

FEMA is a small agency that has been cobbled together quickly.

The Army Corps of Engineers has long been a slow moving and inefficient bureaucracy.

That leaves this job up to you.

Collections of non-perishable food (freeze dried or canned, powdered drinks, coffee and other items) as well as collections of dry goods including blankets, pillows and other items should begin immediately.

Decisions on where to ship the items can be made in a couple of weeks but the organization to collect these items should begin immediately.

Let us do this right.

We put soldiers in the fight without the proper equipment. It’s time to make up for that. Don’t let your neighbors starve, freeze, drown or be ravaged by poverty just because you are too busy to do what is right.

Some people wonder when it is time to do the right thing. That time is now. The person responsible for making this thing right is you.

Episcopal Relief & Development: 1-800-334-7SPAMSPAMSPAM or http://www.er-d.org/

United Methodist Committee on Relief: 1-800-554-8583 or http://gbgm-umc.org/umcor/emergency/hurricanes/2005/

Salvation Army: 1-800-SAL-ARMY or http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/

Catholic Charities: 1-800-919-9338 or http://www.catholiccharitiesusa

Originally posted by gmsisko1
If you were smart, you would know that the Palistinians are from Jordan. Israel was attacked, the Gaza strip was won in a legit war. The Gaza strip does belong to Israel, and they gave it up.


Hey sisko;

.......after posting your ideas on Israel, could you cite a couple of the news articles, or stories, or televised reports, or whatever you have where you saw or read that a "wacko leftwing" source had asserted that -- "George Bush is to blame for Hurricane Katrina."

Thanks.

FT....I think he's trying to tell us something....

That he would make an excellant parrot?

(ahem....cough cough)

Hey gmsiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiscko1........ ????

How about it?

Find anything yet??

(BTW......over in another thread, we're still waiting to hear your evidence for the 500 tons of yellowcake uranium that you claim was found in Iraq. )

Anyone who would see the suffering on TV and link President Bush to it, in any way, has absolutley no sincere concern for the people living through it. It's like when some on these threads constantly deride the military, and then cite the 1800 deaths as President Bush's fault. As if they care.

Shut your mouths, open your wallets, and hope we hear from Drew soon.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
First 9-11 and now Katrina. Man those Gays sure are dangerous!!!

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

Oh no wait...Gods just angry because the Israelis had to give back what wasn't theirs in the first place, thats why.

http://www.jnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=676

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Thank you. You've given me a good laugh.

On Tuesday when the water was rising in NO, the Mayor of NO said everything is fine. On Thursday the Mayor said we need help.

The same mayor was asked for police boats a couple of years ago. He did not give the PD what they requested.
It's not the Presidents job to sit and ask every five minutes what he hould do about NO or LA or Chicago.



Originally posted by cranston36
The hurricane is not Bush's fault but the bungled response to it is.

Apparently there have been racial differences in police searches around American according to a report published by the Justice Department.
The results were apparently going to be tampered with but the author, a Mr. Greenfield, refused to change the data or censor the report to make the politicians in charge happy.
The report noted that it had "uncovered evidence of black drivers having worse experiences - more likely to be arrested, more likely to be searched, more likely to be have force used against them - during traffic stops than white drivers."
Mr. Greenfield has been forced to move to another job as a result of his refusal to cover this information up.
At this time Hurricane Katrina has devastated large parts of the Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana coastlines.
Most not ably it has nearly destroyed New Orleans.
New Orleans is a predominately black city.
The response from Washington has been agonizingly slow. Even though nearly 18 percent of American oil production has been impacted and nearly 25 percent of American refining capacity has been affected by the disaster the response has been lackluster.
The levees in the center of the city have failed and due to no small coincidence that money to maintain them has been reduced in recent years.
Millions of Americans have seen their lives disrupted and the nation’s fuel supply has been threatened. The response has been slow and fraught with incompetence already.
Where hundreds of millions of dollars in aid and equipment and personnel were made nearly immediately available to the predominantly white and Cuban neighborhoods impacted in Florida (where the President’s brother is governor) the process for relief and action has stagnated in the Gulf Coast region and predominantly black and lower class neighborhoods.

Anyone who would see the suffering on TV and link President Bush to it, in any way, has absolutley no sincere concern for the people living through it.

Yep, the same way people saw the suffering of 9/11 and linked President Clinton to it.

I don't blame Bush for what turned out to be inadequate response. I know everyone involved in any rescue and relief effort is going above and beyond, and they are better then me sitting here in the comfort of my home.

The problem I have is the decision to stop, or reduce, funding the levees which could have prevented this flood. It appears this threat was known and the government decided to spend money elsewhere. I don't blame the President for this, I blame the government as a whole...everyone of them who decided this issue was not important.

Originally posted by dnamertz
The problem I have is the decision to stop, or reduce, funding the levees which could have prevented this flood. It appears this threat was known and the government decided to spend money elsewhere. I don't blame the President for this, I blame the government as a whole...everyone of them who decided this issue was not important.

This is more mythology and partial truths.

It was decided approximately 25 years ago that these levees should be built to withstand a category 3 hurricane. They were in good repair, just not designed to withstand a category 4 storm.

Funding: Some improvements were delayed due to a lack of funding. However, the projects that were delayed WERE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE AREAS WHERE THE LEVEES FAILED. The funding delays were irrelevant.

Interestingly, a 2005 search of the Congressional Record shows 22 mentions of "levees" and none of them pertained to New Orleans. I wish the hindsight displayed by some government officials in the last 5 days could help the victims now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/krwashbureau/20050902/ts_krwashbureau/_wea_katrina_levee

If you're surprised that the Bush gov't blew the aftermath of this thing, then you haven't been paying attention. Have you now?
This didn't come out of left field. The NWS called it days in advance. If they can't cope w/ a predictable disaster (No, I don't mean Iraq this time.), then how will they handle a bio or chem attack?
So W gave a "rare admission of failure" on the part of the gov't.
Well, when you've lived in a fantasy world your whole life, chances are you won't be in a position to acknowledge failure. After all, who fantasizes about failure? Who dreams about having BAD sex or going broke? You fantasize about successes, not negativity.
You could say this about many politicos, but Bush doesn't reside in the real world. How would anyone expect him to recognize failure when he sees it?
Later.

fan·ta·size ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fnt-sz)
v. fan·ta·sized, fan·ta·siz·ing, fan·ta·siz·es
v. tr.

To portray in the mind; imagine.

You fantasize about successes, not negativity

Well, there sure are alot of fictional books out there that are depressing...

Katrina is not the president's fault but the governor should have mobilized guardsmen to get people out of there quicker and better, prepared for the disaster evacuees better, and passed the funding bills quicker.
Things in politics and economics can take alot of time, but human lives are on the line by the masses, so its best to HURRY

Also, someone pointed out how well China managed itself during a huge typhoon resulting in few deaths. A militant communist country is bound to be more efficient and forceful at getting its people out. If the government issues statements saying leave the city, they would be dashing out the door immediately or could expect some tanks rolling down the street making announcements. These people stuck in the disaster in "NuOhlins" are poor, and may not have access to cars, tv, or newspaper, or radio to hear of a mandatory evacuation. and we are not running around waving our guns telling people to get out if there is a disaster.

All in all, stop pointing fingers, the storm has passed and we have a coast in ruins and hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, displaced. Its best to just work together, its a natural disaster, stop politicizing it and telling us how this could have been avoided. Guess what: some things could have been avoided but weren't; tough, silence yourself and help.

Originally posted by boykorda
If you're surprised that the Bush gov't blew the aftermath of this thing, then you haven't been paying attention. Have you now?

Very predictable, very unspecific, very typical.

Gee thats funny theres plenty of money to give an extra $50 million to Israel to build their giant wall (in addition to the 4 billion they already get for free) but not for protecting NO...

http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=1134

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Gee thats funny theres plenty of money to give an extra $50 million to Israel to build their giant wall (in addition to the 4 billion they already get for free) but not for protecting NO...


Okay Mr. "Why-doesn't-anyone-read-my-links",
Money would not have made the protection any better since the delayed money would have gone to a part of the levy that didn't collapse anyway.

(PS - feel free to start another anti-Israel thread if you like)

The levee breech was just the first in a long string of fuck-ups the federal government committed.

heres a compilation so far
http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=154921#post154921

honestly, if you are looking for someone to rip into after a big tragedy, then blame the Mayor of New Orleans......

im really not looking for anyone's head in basket, if anything its the media's fault...NOT for anyhing they've DONE... but for what they're NOT DOING..

like helping people, you see the helicopters flying over all the people, why don't you drop a rope down and save them?

this is a crisis situation, and they want to stay out of it, i say if you're on site, you should get your hands a little dirty.

just my two cents LOL

Funding: Some improvements were delayed due to a lack of funding. However, the projects that were delayed WERE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE AREAS WHERE THE LEVEES FAILED.

The funding SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOING TO THOSE AREAS. Its been known that this could possibly happen, but a decision was made somewhere along the line to do nothing.

Originally posted by dnamertz
The funding SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOING TO THOSE AREAS. Its been known that this could possibly happen, but a decision was made somewhere along the line to do nothing.

More funding is a good general rule, however, in this case, IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. The areas that gave way were designed to withstand a category 3. The areas earmarked for maintenance HELD. The decision to build them for a category 3 was made 25 years ago.

How about the local government, with 5 days notice, picking the Superdome as a relief site without enough food or water? How about New Orleans being one of the only coastal towns not to move their busses to higher ground?

I just heard an interview with the Mayor made 9 days ago stating how much they've done and how great the Superdome will be and saying that anyone not voluntarily evacuated by 6 PM will be forced (by enforced curfew) to remain in their homes.

There's an obvious desire to blame the Bush Administration, but sometimes we intentionally exonerate a lot of other people to give the president exclusivity.

How about the local government, with 5 days notice, picking the Superdome as a relief site without enough food or water? How about New Orleans being one of the only coastal towns not to move their busses to higher ground?

There's an obvious desire to blame the Bush Administration, but sometimes we intentionally exonerate a lot of other people to give the president exclusivity.

I agree with all of that.

im really not looking for anyone's head in basket, if anything its the media's fault...NOT for anyhing they've DONE... but for what they're NOT DOING..

like helping people, you see the helicopters flying over all the people, why don't you drop a rope down and save them?


First of all, they are not flying the types of helicopters used for those types of rescues. What should they do, pull people up using their microphone cords?

Secondly, the media has a job in a situation like this. That job is to get information out to the rest of the world. Most of the devastated areas have no communications to the outside world. The media has helped inform the resue and relief workers what type of help is needed and the level of that help. They have also helped get the word out to the rest of the world which has facilitated donations. If we didn't see the constant level of coverage on TV that we have seen, than some people might not have known how bad it was and might not have donated anything. That goes for citizens of this country as well as countries that are sending us aide.

Originally posted by dnamertz
First of all, they are not flying the types of helicopters used for those types of rescues. What should they do, pull people up using their microphone cords?

no, land on a roof and give them their clothes... this is a crisis, i dunno it just seems kinda wrong for media to be praying on this thing.
Originally posted by dnamertz

Secondly, the media has a job in a situation like this. That job is to get information out to the rest of the world.

what good does it do that Mr. Jones up in Connecticut knows every little ass-crack detail about everything? all's he needs to know is about the hurricane....
Originally posted by dnamertz

The media has helped inform the resue and relief workers what type of help is needed and the level of that help.

i dont see that, i think releif workers know exactly what they need to do.
Originally posted by dnamertz

They have also helped get the word out to the rest of the world which has facilitated donations. If we didn't see the constant level of coverage on TV that we have seen, than some people might not have known how bad it was and might not have donated anything. That goes for citizens of this country as well as countries that are sending us aide.

Hey, the news can talk about it all they want, im just saying that all the EXTRA media attention is dumb.

just my two cents

Don't worry. Great Britain and Germany are on the way. They will do what President Bush could not - help and protect American people.

It's disgusting.

Originally posted by cranston36
It's disgusting.

No need to make the same post in every thread.

Originally posted by Txn8ive
I'm also a liberal environmentalist who's in the military

talk about being in the minority. i am suprised a hurricaine didnt hit your house

“As actors, it’s our duty to read articles in the newspaper and pass them off as our own opinions." - Puppet Garafalo, Team America - World Police

I believe that the reason people are pointing the finger at bush is because he is the president and in this country and the buck stops at the presidents desk.

The job in the oval office is to keep America and Americans safe. There is no distinction as to what they should be kept safe from. It is the presidents ultimate responsibility. Presidents get blamed for events that happen on their watch, unfold unsatisfactorily from the previous administrations watch, and they take the blame for the events that unfold unsatisfactoily from their watch after they are gone.

Anyone wanting to be president should accept that fact.

It amases me that there are people who are still defending this man after all the lies and plotting and mistakes and secret deals and cronyism that has gone on durring his administration.

Now he fails to take swift action when America and Americans are in danger from a hurricane, when one of Americas great city's is wipped out, hundreds of people are dead and thousands more are without a home or a job.

The buck stops at the top people. Defend him all you want, but remember that he has the ultimate responsibility for the state of this nation.

its fine to blame the prez, but not while there are still bodies flaoting down the streets of N.O. monday morning quartebacking is human nature, what is not natural is the way peoples TOP priority is to smear bush. helping the victims is second to attacking bush and trying to advance the kyoto protocol. Pathetic. As one victim said from the astrodome, people are poiting fingers instead of lending a hand.

Do what you can to help the people that have been harmed instead of wasting your time defending the people that are hiding their sins behind you.

Originally posted by Travh20
peoples TOP priority is to smear bush. helping the victims is second to attacking bush

I wrote a rather large check to a Katrina fund last Tuesday. Didn't start bashing bush for his slow resonse till today. I think my priorities are just fine.

Have you given to a Katrina disaster fund yet? Or is defending bush your FIRST priority?

Think before you post unfounded statements.

Originally posted by cranston36
1. Don't worry. Great Britain and Germany are on the way. They will do what President Bush could not -

2. help and protect American people.


1. What exactly will they do, or could they have done?

2. I think this help-me-daddy mindset started during the Clinton Administration.

Have you read anything about the Mayor and Governor?

I did give money, I am sure not nearly as much as you though, which only proves you care more then I do. gotta love rich libs jumping on poor conservatives for being to greedy

President Bush offered the Governor Carte Blanche assistance but she said she needed 24 hours to think about it. This story is verified by the Mayor of New Orleans.

In a later interview she told NBC that she needed the time because it was complicated.

I guess 24 hours isn't very long unless you're in a wet attic.

The gov of Louisiana is very innefective. She has done a horrible job of dealing with this disaster. She should have demanded assistance from the feds before the hurricane hit. Assistance in evacuating the poor and having disaster teams on alert to mobilize after.

Originally posted by Echo2
Now he fails to take swift action when America and Americans are in danger from a hurricane, when one of Americas great city's is wipped out, hundreds of people are dead and thousands more are without a home or a job.
:eek:

I wonder how, at least in your mind, any red state is capable of offering a "great city" in the heart of redneck America? I thought the male inhabitants of said "cracker country" were all too busy hanging Negroes and fucking their sisters to build anything an enlightened liberal would praise...

Color me impressed, Echo - wonders never cease.

You're right though, Bush did take too long. As Cranston said, thank god for England and Germany, or we'd all be dead...

Originally posted by cranston36
Do what you can to help the people that have been harmed instead of wasting your time defending the people that are hiding their sins behind you.

I am not defending anyone. I dont know what the president did or didnt do, all I know is that anyone who sees this as the presidents "fault" is either a rabid partisan or complelty ignorant as to the powers of the POTUS.

clearly it could have been handled better at all levels of government, but lets at least finish fishing all the bodies out of the streets before we break out the noose.

Originally posted by cranston36
“As actors, it’s our duty to read articles in the newspaper and pass them off as our own opinions." - Puppet Garafalo, Team America - World Police

That's a signature line, you moron.

no, land on a roof and give them their clothes

Then by that rationale Air Force One should have been flying over and dropping food and clothes instead of sitting in a hangar somewhere.

what good does it do that Mr. Jones up in Connecticut knows every little ass-crack detail about everything? all's he needs to know is about the hurricane

Wrong. There were already a few hurricanes this year. But seeing on TV the level of destruction caused by this one probably led Mr Jones to donate food, money, or clothing to the Red Cross, along with millions of other people around the world who would not have done so if they hadn't seen how bad things really were.

i dont see that, i think releif workers know exactly what they need to do.

Yea, but more showed and they did so because they knew how much they were needed thanks to the media.

I did give money, I am sure not nearly as much as you though, which only proves you care more then I do. gotta love rich libs jumping on poor conservatives for being to greedy
Wow Trav is such a whiney bitch he has to pretend he's being attacked now...

its fine to blame the prez, but not while there are still bodies flaoting down the streets of N.O. So its OK to criticize war, just not while its being fought. It's OK to criticize disaster relief, just not while its still half-assedly being done...But if anyone says something after the fact I'm sure you'd say they need to quit dwelling on the past.

Trav the amazing one trick pony...

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Wow Trav is such a whiney bitch he has to pretend he's being attacked now...


dude shut your cake hole....

who's the whiney bitch? Why are you trying to be "Macho man" on a POLITICAL chat room anyway?
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla

So its OK to criticize war, just not while its being fought. It's OK to criticize disaster relief, just not while its still half-assedly being done...But if anyone says something after the fact I'm sure you'd say they need to quit dwelling on the past.


you can criticize disaster releif all you want... lots of people died. I have been criticizing it, why shouldnt you be able to?

The mayor was an idiot, the governor was an idiot, the engineers were idiots for settling for a levee system that could only withstand a level 3 hurricane....etc.

But lets hope LEARN from this mistake, that is what will make all of this worthwhile.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
The whole reason we're having the current problem is because the city, county, state, and federal governments all were waiting for each other to do something.

this was on a different thread... but its the main reason there was a longer time for aide to reach civilians.

Did anyone ever find proof that Katrina was, indeed, Bush's fault?

Originally posted by dnamertz
Yep, the same way people saw the suffering of 9/11 and linked President Clinton to it.

I don't blame Bush for what turned out to be inadequate response. I know everyone involved in any rescue and relief effort is going above and beyond, and they are better then me sitting here in the comfort of my home.

The problem I have is the decision to stop, or reduce, funding the levees which could have prevented this flood. It appears this threat was known and the government decided to spend money elsewhere. I don't blame the President for this, I blame the government as a whole...everyone of them who decided this issue was not important.

AMEN!!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
Did anyone ever find proof that Katrina was, indeed, Bush's fault?

I have to admit that I too have been waiting for sisko's quote with bated breath.

Hey gmsisko;

.......in referecne to your having begun this thread on that premise, could you cite a couple of the news articles, or stories, or televised reports, or whatever you have where you saw or read that a "wacko leftwing" source had asserted that -- "George Bush is to blame for Hurricane Katrina."

Thanks.

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I will go on record as saying that Katrina itself was not in any way "Bush's fault".

If Bush were to go on national teevee and state ---"For those of you who have criticized me for inaction or a slow resonse, I would invite you to first examine the abysmal failures of the people at the LOCAL and State level in New Orleans to adequately prepare for and respond to the emergency" ---- I would applaud him.

HOWEVER-----after Bush first came to office he DID slash funding to the Corps of Engineers (in order to redirect funds to military spending and to fighting foreign wars of aggression) to the extent that ongoing improvements and added forticfications to the N.O. leveee system was HALTED for the first time since 1967.

Also, in the larger picture, ALL of the presidents of the past 30 year are to blame for not having ---as scientists have been pleading with them to do for decades-- addressed the serious threat of global climate change that is taking place.

Bush didn't "cause" Katrina, but some of the blame can be laid at the feet of Bush and the rest of the political cabal in Washington (going back for many years) for their ongoing policy of studiously IGNORING a most serious environmental threat to this planet.