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Dunkirk101
08-25-2005, 12:27 PM
PHILADELPHIA - The U.S. Mint seized 10 Double Eagle gold coins from 1933, among the rarest and most valuable coins in the world, that were turned in by a jeweler seeking to determine their authenticity.

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Joan S. Langbord plans a federal court lawsuit to try to recover them, her attorney, Barry H. Berke, said Wednesday. Langbord found the coins among the possessions of her father, longtime Philadelphia jeweler Israel Switt, who had acknowledged having sold some of the coins decades ago. She now operates her father's business.

David Lebryk, acting director of the Mint, had announced in a news release that the rare coins, which were never put in circulation, had been taken from the Mint "in an unlawful manner" in the mid-1930's and now were "recovered."

The coins, which are so rare that their value is almost beyond calculation, are public property, he said.

But Berke said Mint officials couldn't prove the coins had been stolen, or were subject to forfeiture.

In 2002, Sotheby's and numismatic firm Stack's auctioned off a 1933 Double Eagle coin for $7.59 million, the highest price ever paid for a coin. That Double Eagle, which is believed to have been part of a collection belonging to King Farouk of Egypt, surfaced when a coin dealer tried selling it to undercover Secret Service agents.

After a legal battle, the dealer was permitted to sell the coin at auction on the condition he split the proceeds with the Mint.

In its statement, the Mint said officials were still deciding what they would do with the seized coins, which are being held at Fort Knox. They said they had no plans to auction them but would consider saving "these historical artifacts" for public exhibits. Other double eagle coins seized in the past were melted down.

Double Eagles were first minted in 1850 with a face value of $20. The 445,500 coins minted in 1933 were never put into circulation because the nation went off the gold standard. All the coins were ordered melted down, but a handful are believed to have survived, including two handed over to the Smithsonian Institution.

Langbord declined to discuss how the coins might have come into the possession of her father, who operated an antiques and jewelry shop for 70 years and died in 1990 at 95.

The Mint contends Switt obtained a cache of the gold coins from his connections at the Mint just before they were to be reduced to bullion in 1937.

Switt admitted in 1944 that he had sold nine Double Eagle coins, but he was not charged in connection with those transactions, according to the Mint.

The family attorney said the coins were found recently, and Langbord and her son, Roy, notified the Mint of the discovery in September. Mint officials asked to authenticate the coins, then confiscated them after doing so, Berke said.

He contended Langbord and her son never relinquished their right to the coins <end>

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DanF
08-25-2005, 01:57 PM
legally, yes.
morally, no.

For sure, no one else will make that mistake.
Any more coins will be private collector, private auction, only.

~Sal~
08-25-2005, 02:36 PM
No, and they will have to come up with some kind of reparation.

molandru
08-25-2005, 03:46 PM
When exactly has a goverment ever cared about what was morally right or what the general public thought until about 6 months before an election.

mad dog
08-26-2005, 08:56 AM
government and right, in the same sentence I still can't get past that bhawhaa haa haaa :D :D :D

Blibblob
08-26-2005, 02:08 PM
No they don't. Contrary to popular belief it is not only not illegal to rip up dollar bills it's also not illegal to melt, mold, or otherwise completely destroy coins. When you posess those coins, the US government does not necessarily own any rights to them whatsoever. They would have to prove that those coins were stolen from them before they can confiscate them. Not only that they would have to prove that the current owners came about the coins illegally in order to confiscate them without any sort of restitution. The US Mint doesn't hold legal power over your use of what they minted.

DanF
08-27-2005, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by Blibblob
No they don't. Contrary to popular belief it is not only not illegal to rip up dollar bills it's also not illegal to melt, mold, or otherwise completely destroy coins. When you posess those coins, the US government does not necessarily own any rights to them whatsoever. They would have to prove that those coins were stolen from them before they can confiscate them. Not only that they would have to prove that the current owners came about the coins illegally in order to confiscate them without any sort of restitution. The US Mint doesn't hold legal power over your use of what they minted.
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It would seem that the fact that they never issued any of the coins would be proof that they were stolen.

Blibblob
08-27-2005, 12:57 AM
It would seem that the fact that they never issued any of the coins would be proof that they were stolen.
Not necessarily. A bunch of things are moved and your keys turn up missing. Were they stolen? The US Mint never seems to be too great at getting and melting all the coins they want to.

Vilepagan
08-28-2005, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Blibblob
It would seem that the fact that they never issued any of the coins would be proof that they were stolen.
Not necessarily. A bunch of things are moved and your keys turn up missing. Were they stolen? The US Mint never seems to be too great at getting and melting all the coins they want to.

Blib, the coins were never released into circulation...that means they were removed from the US Mint by extra-legal means. Call it what you will, but the guy that worked for the Mint did not come by these coins legally.