about all of the constant speculation by liberals on this board (without any backing i might add) that we went to Iraq for oil....

1. Iraq is only 4% of a world oil source.... and there are MANY other countries that have a more enticing oil supply... like saudi arabia.

2. Saddam no doubt would have LOVED to sell us oil, hell we were BOYCOTTING oil from Iraq! The oil supply has gone DOWN since we went to iraq. going to Iraq has done nothing but made Iraq oil more inaccessible.

So much for that theory.

Originally posted by Decka
1. Iraq is only 4% of a world oil source.... and there are MANY other countries that have a more enticing oil supply... like saudi arabia.
Ahh, you mean the country that owns a large part of our economy? Oh yeah, them...don't make me laugh, Decka. We have far too much money invested in the Saudis. Not to mention...

Size of Saudi Arabia: 1,960,582 sq km
Size of Iraq: 437,072 sq km

Yeah, we can just occupy a nation that is more then double the size of Iraq. Yeah, makes sense (even though we don't have enough troop for Iraq) Not to mention, my bet is that Saudi Arabia has a much better military then Iraq did.

What other nations have a larger supply? If I'm not mistaken Iraq is 2nd or 3rd on the list.

Originally posted by Decka
The oil supply has gone DOWN since we went to iraq. going to Iraq has done nothing but made Iraq oil more inaccessible.
Hmmm, I'll reply to this once you offer proof.

Originally posted by Decka
about all of the constant speculation by liberals on this board (without any backing i might add) that we went to Iraq for oil....

you couldnt be dumber. how dare you make a statemnent that YOU cant even back up. you can only speculate and hope that "ole gw" isnt crooked enough to do that ! thats all you have. so you are no more right than we are......us "LIBERALS". it must just make you feel real good to belong huh ? you have to feel that you are in the smart club and we are just a bunch of idiots. but the fact remains you are not in the loop. the loop where people are reaping trillions of dollars from this war. companies that were in the red and ready to fold are making record breaking profits. no one talks about the impropriety of halliburton....noooooo, there's nothing fishy here....there is a fifty\fifty chance that YOU are wrong, and you are helping the RAPING of americans by a greedy admin, just by being their puppet and doing their bidding ! keep up the fight "ole smart one". we dummies will just sit here and pay high ass gas prices that you claim are because of india and china, but production only went up 2% since they got in the program......could this be gouging in the name of record profits ? if i say yes, i only have the 50\50 chance of being wrong, but so do you if you say no !

Originally posted by Decka
about all of the constant speculation by liberals on this board (without any backing i might add) that we went to Iraq for oil....

1. Iraq is only 4% of a world oil source.... and there are MANY other countries that have a more enticing oil supply...

Iraq possesses enormous oil reserves, estimated at more than 112 billion barrels,
.........which account for 25% of the world's known reserves........it possesses the world’s second largest proven oil reserve.

Read ---

SECRET U.S. PLANS FOR IRAQ'S OIL
-----BBC News World Edition
Thursday, March 17, 2005

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=417&row=1

(even though we don't have enough troop for Iraq)
Ummm....:lolhit:

Iraq possesses enormous oil reserves

Indeed, if i recall it was even more than the number you gave

PS- BBC is the perhaps the most crooked, leftie news organization i've had the displeasure of experiencing, not going to trust them about anything but children's programming and excellent british humor shows.

we dummies will just sit here and pay high ass gas prices

Okay, sounds good, go ahead and do that. If we "went into iraq for oil because of a greedy administration that is raping us" then why do the gas prices continue to rise? :rant:

If you don't believe that there's price gouging at the pump, then read this chatter between the CEOs of BP & Amoco, intercepted just days before their merger a few years back:

BP guy: "I say, old bean, now that we're partners we can bugger the Yanks the same as we've been doing it to our consumers for years! We'll create a sham shortage, then hike prices dramatically and tell the gullible public we had to raise them to slow consumption. It won't cool demand, and our profit will increase exponentially!
Oh, a few families will have to scale back on food and milk for the little ones, but BOLLOCKS to 'em because our millionaire shareholders will love us! Pip pip, Bob's yer uncle."

Amoco guy: "Brilliant! All we need to do is, through my trilateral commission, have the media back us up, and pretty soon the pharmcos will bow to us as the world's greatest and greediest company! What's President Dunce Armstrong gonna do, make US sacrifice?"

Both: "AAAAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

The above exchange is true. How did I get the tape? I have my sources. I'll never reveal them.
HEY! WHO ARE YOU??? UNHAND ME! HELP ME!!! HEL.........

Originally posted by Evakian
[B](even though we don't have enough troop for Iraq)
Ummm....:lolhit:

If we "went into iraq for oil because of a greedy administration that is raping us" then why do the gas prices continue to rise? :rant: who said they did it for us ?!!! greedy people care for no one but themselves ! it is documented that china and india only brought production up 2%, and therefore should not have gone up a damn dollar !!! and funny thing, no news organization is valid if it says something bad about bush or this war huh ? thats a cop out of a damn explaination !!! sounds to me like you guys are not as smart on these matters as you thought !! its funny how republicans use the same damn "form-answer" for everything. i dont have to hear your answer for anything, i could listen to ANY republican ! where's your own damn mind. the china and india lie has been exposed, lets see which one of you can have a damn answer of your own !!!

its funny how republicans use the same damn "form-answer" for everything. i dont have to hear your answer for anything, i could listen to ANY republican ! where's your own damn mind

tsk tsk tsk, this thing is FULL of typos...lets see here

its funny how liberal* use the same damn "form-answer" for everything. i dont have to hear your answer for anything, i could listen to ANY liberal*! where's your own damn mind

Man, when you talk about yourself be sure to spell correctly

it is documented that china and india only brought production up 2%

China is exploding with growth, while india continues to just chug slowly up. Heck, for example: 5,000 new buildings (all 40 stories or over) have been commissioned in China, there is a steel shortage because of this massive productivity. They are growing exponentially, industries are being drained heavily.

greedy people care for no one but themselves

So you're saying that Bush is being greedy and hoarding oil and money for himself? Yea, im sure those millions of barrels are in his Crawford cellar right now just waiting to be used on his new sedan.

no news organization is valid if it says something bad about bush or this war huh ?

I never made such claims, but indeed BBC is not to be a trusted news source, when talking about Bush or not.

Overall, you are a mindless drone who continues marching on in the lifeless parade of liberal doctrine, tossing out insult or illogic at those who have opposing viewpoints. It makes for a quick chuckle.

Originally posted by Evakian
its funny how republicans use the same damn "form-answer" for everything. i dont have to hear your answer for anything, i could listen to ANY republican ! where's your own damn mind

tsk tsk tsk, this thing is FULL of typos...lets see here

its funny how liberal* use the same damn "form-answer" for everything. i dont have to hear your answer for anything, i could listen to ANY liberal*! where's your own damn mind

Man, when you talk about yourself be sure to spell correctly

it is documented that china and india only brought production up 2%

China is exploding with growth, while india continues to just chug slowly up. Heck, for example: 5,000 new buildings (all 40 stories or over) have been commissioned in China, there is a steel shortage because of this massive productivity. They are growing exponentially, industries are being drained heavily.

greedy people care for no one but themselves

So you're saying that Bush is being greedy and hoarding oil and money for himself? Yea, im sure those millions of barrels are in his Crawford cellar right now just waiting to be used on his new sedan.

no news organization is valid if it says something bad about bush or this war huh ?

I never made such claims, but indeed BBC is not to be a trusted news source, when talking about Bush or not.

Overall, you are a mindless drone who continues marching on in the lifeless parade of liberal doctrine, tossing out insult or illogic at those who have opposing viewpoints. It makes for a quick chuckle. YEAH, YOU ARE THE SMART ONE !

i suppose so. ;)

Hard to say that for you though...;)

Originally posted by Evakian
its funny how republicans use the same damn "form-answer" for everything. i dont have to hear your answer for anything, i could listen to ANY republican ! where's your own damn mind

tsk tsk tsk, this thing is FULL of typos...lets see here

its funny how liberal* use the same damn "form-answer" for everything. i dont have to hear your answer for anything, i could listen to ANY liberal*! where's your own damn mind
this is cute, did you think of it all by yourself ?
Man, when you talk about yourself be sure to spell correctly
ok.
it is documented that china and india only brought production up 2%

China is exploding with growth, while india continues to just chug slowly up. Heck, for example: 5,000 new buildings (all 40 stories or over) have been commissioned in China, there is a steel shortage because of this massive productivity. They are growing exponentially, industries are being drained heavily.
you said everything but what this has to do with our gas prices. people a lot smarter than you and i, documented that production only went up 2%. now try again .
greedy people care for no one but themselves

So you're saying that Bush is being greedy and hoarding oil and money for himself? Yea, im sure those millions of barrels are in his Crawford cellar right now just waiting to be used on his new sedan.
no, bush and his band of " failing companies until bush saved us " friends ! i dont know how you just quickly related stealing oil, to us reaping the benefit ! if i rob a bank, im not coming to your house and sharing the money......just an analogy by the way !
no news organization is valid if it says something bad about bush or this war huh ?

I never made such claims, but indeed BBC is not to be a trusted news source, when talking about Bush or not.
but everytime someone writes something that isnt favorable to bush, its a lying newspaper....that's my point !
Overall, you are a mindless drone who continues marching on in the lifeless parade of liberal doctrine, tossing out insult or illogic at those who have opposing viewpoints. It makes for a quick chuckle. whatever you say !

Originally posted by Evakian
i suppose so. ;)

Hard to say that for you though...;) hey if you said it, i'd be scared, i mean, you do think bush is great.....and thats a damn lie also, so who in hell can believe or trust what you say ? now if i see bush's hand leave your ass, and you are STILL talking, that would scare me even worst !

Yes, it doesn't take half a brain to insult someone like Korgan the Vulgarian, of course i thought of it.
As for the rest, stop repeating yourself, its not getting you anywhere.
http://www.homegrocer.com/images/products/kool%20aid%20cherry%20pouch.gif

Originally posted by Evakian
Yes, it doesn't take half a brain to insult someone like Korgan the Vulgarian, of course i thought of it.
As for the rest, stop repeating yourself, its not getting you anywhere.
http://www.homegrocer.com/images/products/kool%20aid%20cherry%20pouch.gif it doesnt take a brain at all, to be led around by the nose by a jackass like bush.....i see you remember my name though. there is hope for you yet, you may soon be a jedi my son !!!! oh, in keeping with the name , why you %$@#@###&&*%............and dont forget it !:) by the way, the kool aid guy is gay !....oh yeeeeaaaahhh

Originally posted by Evakian
stop repeating yourself,
http://www.homegrocer.com/images/products/kool%20aid%20cherry%20pouch.gif no, no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no ,no,no,no

Originally posted by Evakian
Overall, you are a mindless drone who continues marching on in the lifeless parade of liberal doctrine, tossing out insult or illogic at those who have opposing viewpoints.

It reminds me of the way that you keep mindlessly spewing --without one shred of proof offered to bolster your claim-- the dogma that.... "Oh, the BBC is dishonest, the BBC cannot be trusted".

The BBC is one of a very small number of news outlets remaining that CAN be trusted to give the cold hard facts and to not simply regurgitate the viewpoint that the ruling political regime tells them to broadcast to the sheep.

Originally posted by Freethinker
It reminds me of the way that you keep mindlessly spewing --without one shred of proof offered to bolster your claim-- the dogma that.... "Oh, the BBC is dishonest, the BBC cannot be trusted".

The BBC is one of a very small number of news outlets remaining that CAN be trusted to give the cold hard facts and to not simply regurgitate the viewpoint that the ruling political regime tells them to broadcast to the sheep.

way to change the point and dodge... good job FT

and Korg... just because we don't call for bush's head doesn't mean we think Bush is the greatest... geez get off your "all or nothing" koolaid

Originally posted by Decka
way to change the point and dodge... good job FT

and Korg... just because we don't call for bush's head doesn't mean we think Bush is the greatest... geez get off your "all or nothing" koolaid so i guess " kool aid is the new catch phrase for republicans. first evakian, now you. as usual , following ! get a life decka, it may just get you a mind of your own.......ooooohhhhh ( twilight zone music)

Decka - you've got me wondering. ..You say Bush is not the greatest but you seem to support his every action. What do think Bush has really done well? What has he truly excelled at? I really can't think of anything at all but you must have some ideas? I am sure you are not so shallow as to never seem to bring up issues with him as others here do simply because he is a republican. He must have been extraordinary in some way for you to always seem to come to his defense. What is it? The republicans control at least two of the branches of government, and have for years now, so he really should be able to hit many home runs. I really would like to know. How has your life improved so under his watch? I don't know about you but my taxes have gone thru the roof. With this deficit, I imagine that they will go higher still. Government is huge right now so that can't be it. I doubt it is his rock solid defense of personal freedom, something I would imagine all republicans would be united about since that is what makes us superior in many ways to most of the other countries of the world. We seem bogged down in a war for freedom after not finding any of the WMD's that they had photographic proof existed. I wonder how you would feel if a democrat had done the same and seriously underestimated the strength of the resistance, the same resistance that many people of a different ideology predicted and were ignored. What if a democrat refused to listen to his generals and only committed about 1/4 of the troops that the generals requested to effectively accomplish the mission? Your support surely can't be due to the fact that he caught the man responsible for the worst act of terrorism on US soil, or is it? I can't imagine that you think that his current state of positive relations around the world is at an all time high for America. Or the way he unites all Americans for that matter. Perhaps it is the way he strongly and robustly denied The Downing Street memo as a fake, even though our closet ally, Tony Blair, confirmed it. That shows confidence in the face of adversity even if it is the truth. That might be all it is but I keep thinking there must be more to it than that.
I rack my brain but I still can't come up with any reasons for your undying support. He certainly wasn't a war hero and his offshore oil company to avoid paying taxes or his DWI can't impress you so, can they? Pro-lifers must have some issues with his support for the Death Penalty I would imagine unless they truly believe that all convicts are guilty and that whole "thou shalt not kill" commandment is really bullshit. Maybe it was simply his reference to Jesus that struck a nerve and endeared him so to you. I can only guess. Also, if you think he has some weakness, I would be curious as to what you think they are.

If we were truly trying to remove WMD from axis of evil countries, we would have invaded Korea.
If we were really tryng to bring democracy to people under a dictator we would have invaded some of the African countries that are even worse than Sadamn ever was.

But alas, Iraq is were the oil is and Sadamn insulted daddy. And on top of it all they aren't a christian country.

1+1+1=3 very simple.

Echo - I know where you stand but I really am puzzled by his supporters. With all that appears to be going wrong, they still seem to be willing to "stay the course" with this man both his domestic and foreign policies. I would just like to know why. As I stated above, I would hope the reasons are not so shallow as to the simple fact that he is a member of the republican party. Perhaps they are. I really can't figure it out. I am looking for something of substance here. I would hope it would be enlightening but this may or may not be the case.

its a matter of perspective. you and echo think we are getting our asses handed to us and being dealt the worst military defeat in history when we lose 1 or 2 men in some cowardly roadsinde bomb. I on the other hand know that we lost more men in a couple hours on Omaha beach tehn we have in this whole war. I guess you can make it waht you wnat to, but we also shouild know our own capablilities an d not make the terrorsits out to be 10 feet talla s eecho does with all the talk of their perfect lan and ahving us right whenre they want us.

Originally posted by Travh20
its a matter of perspective. you and echo think we are getting our asses handed to us and being dealt the worst military defeat in history when we lose 1 or 2 men in some cowardly roadsinde bomb. I on the other hand know that we lost more men in a couple hours on Omaha beach tehn we have in this whole war. I guess you can make it waht you wnat to, but we also shouild know our own capablilities an d not make the terrorsits out to be 10 feet talla s eecho does with all the talk of their perfect lan and ahving us right whenre they want us.

OK - So you agree with his policy on the war and is doing a great job. I am still not sure what that has to do with Iraq but...Next.

Originally posted by Tapeworm
the simple fact that he is a member of the republican party. . question answered !!! think about it. if bush had kerry's war record and kerry had his, where would the SBVFT MAKE THEIR MONEY ? people would have been saying, "how dare you defend a guy that didnt go, for a decorated soldier" !! or if kerry had been president and he sat his ass in that chair as the country was being bombed ! or if michael moore had been republican exposing the dems shit. republicans would have been saying IT WAS ON FILM for christs sake. the words right out of their mouths.....this is the hypocrisy ! no , one more, how about bombing iraq after discovering osama did it, and to also find out that osama and saddam hated each other......bush is the axis of anal

Originally posted by Travh20
its a matter of perspective. you and echo think we are getting our asses handed to us and being dealt the worst military defeat in history when we lose 1 or 2 men in some cowardly roadsinde bomb. I on the other hand know that we lost more men in a couple hours on Omaha beach tehn we have in this whole war. I guess you can make it waht you wnat to, but we also shouild know our own capablilities an d not make the terrorsits out to be 10 feet talla s eecho does with all the talk of their perfect lan and ahving us right whenre they want us. no, but those 5 guys are giving us fits......dont you think ?

Originally posted by Tapeworm
Decka - you've got me wondering. ..You say Bush is not the greatest but you seem to support his every action. What do think Bush has really done well? What has he truly excelled at? I really can't think of anything at all but you must have some ideas? I am sure you are not so shallow as to never seem to bring up issues with him as others here do simply because he is a republican. He must have been extraordinary in some way for you to always seem to come to his defense. What is it? The republicans control at least two of the branches of government, and have for years now, so he really should be able to hit many home runs. I really would like to know. How has your life improved so under his watch? I don't know about you but my taxes have gone thru the roof. With this deficit, I imagine that they will go higher still. Government is huge right now so that can't be it. I doubt it is his rock solid defense of personal freedom, something I would imagine all republicans would be united about since that is what makes us superior in many ways to most of the other countries of the world. We seem bogged down in a war for freedom after not finding any of the WMD's that they had photographic proof existed. I wonder how you would feel if a democrat had done the same and seriously underestimated the strength of the resistance, the same resistance that many people of a different ideology predicted and were ignored. What if a democrat refused to listen to his generals and only committed about 1/4 of the troops that the generals requested to effectively accomplish the mission? Your support surely can't be due to the fact that he caught the man responsible for the worst act of terrorism on US soil, or is it? I can't imagine that you think that his current state of positive relations around the world is at an all time high for America. Or the way he unites all Americans for that matter. Perhaps it is the way he strongly and robustly denied The Downing Street memo as a fake, even though our closet ally, Tony Blair, confirmed it. That shows confidence in the face of adversity even if it is the truth. That might be all it is but I keep thinking there must be more to it than that.
I rack my brain but I still can't come up with any reasons for your undying support. He certainly wasn't a war hero and his offshore oil company to avoid paying taxes or his DWI can't impress you so, can they? Pro-lifers must have some issues with his support for the Death Penalty I would imagine unless they truly believe that all convicts are guilty and that whole "thou shalt not kill" commandment is really bullshit. Maybe it was simply his reference to Jesus that struck a nerve and endeared him so to you. I can only guess. Also, if you think he has some weakness, I would be curious as to what you think they are.

HOW is your life better? What has bush done wrong? All we ever hear from the rightwing is how wonderfull he is and how he is doing such a great job.

Originally posted by korg
question answered !!! think about it. if bush had kerry's war record and kerry had his, where would the SBVFT MAKE THEIR MONEY ? people would have been saying, "how dare you defend a guy that didnt go, for a decorated soldier" !! or if kerry had been president and he sat his ass in that chair as the country was being bombed ! or if michael moore had been republican exposing the dems shit. republicans would have been saying IT WAS ON FILM for christs sake. the words right out of their mouths.....this is the hypocrisy ! no , one more, how about bombing iraq after discovering osama did it, and to also find out that osama and saddam hated each other......bush is the axis of anal

These are some very interesting points. I believe that if the shoe was on the other foot, these same supporters would be calling for his head. But, if they really think Bush is doing a great job as president and would support him with as much vigor even if he were a democrat, I want to hear why from them. So far I have only heard from Trav. He said that there are less dead from fighting the Iraqis than the Industrial German war machine in WWII so he gives the president "props". I find this to be a weak argument at best but at least he responded so I will give him credit. I really want to hear from some of the others like Decka and Prea.

Originally posted by Tapeworm
Decka - you've got me wondering. ..You say Bush is not the greatest but you seem to support his every action. What do think Bush has really done well? What has he truly excelled at? I really can't think of anything at all but you must have some ideas? I am sure you are not so shallow as to never seem to bring up issues with him as others here do simply because he is a republican. He must have been extraordinary in some way for you to always seem to come to his defense. What is it? The republicans control at least two of the branches of government, and have for years now, so he really should be able to hit many home runs. I really would like to know. How has your life improved so under his watch? I don't know about you but my taxes have gone thru the roof. With this deficit, I imagine that they will go higher still. Government is huge right now so that can't be it. I doubt it is his rock solid defense of personal freedom, something I would imagine all republicans would be united about since that is what makes us superior in many ways to most of the other countries of the world. We seem bogged down in a war for freedom after not finding any of the WMD's that they had photographic proof existed. I wonder how you would feel if a democrat had done the same and seriously underestimated the strength of the resistance, the same resistance that many people of a different ideology predicted and were ignored. What if a democrat refused to listen to his generals and only committed about 1/4 of the troops that the generals requested to effectively accomplish the mission? Your support surely can't be due to the fact that he caught the man responsible for the worst act of terrorism on US soil, or is it? I can't imagine that you think that his current state of positive relations around the world is at an all time high for America. Or the way he unites all Americans for that matter. Perhaps it is the way he strongly and robustly denied The Downing Street memo as a fake, even though our closet ally, Tony Blair, confirmed it. That shows confidence in the face of adversity even if it is the truth. That might be all it is but I keep thinking there must be more to it than that.
I rack my brain but I still can't come up with any reasons for your undying support. He certainly wasn't a war hero and his offshore oil company to avoid paying taxes or his DWI can't impress you so, can they? Pro-lifers must have some issues with his support for the Death Penalty I would imagine unless they truly believe that all convicts are guilty and that whole "thou shalt not kill" commandment is really bullshit. Maybe it was simply his reference to Jesus that struck a nerve and endeared him so to you. I can only guess. Also, if you think he has some weakness, I would be curious as to what you think they are.

Ahhh...I can't be said enough, "political satire is dead". Sad really sinces its replaced reality.

Bush himself says you're full of shit Decka. How does it feel?

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Bush gives new reason for Iraq war
Says US must prevent oil fields from falling into hands of terrorists

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/31/bush_gives_new_reason_for_iraq_war/

'If Zarqawi and [Osama] bin Laden gain control of Iraq, they would create a new training ground for future terrorist attacks," Bush said. ''They'd seize oil fields to fund their ambitions. They could recruit more terrorists by claiming a historic victory over the United States and our coalition."

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/31/bush_gives_new_reason_for_iraq_war/[/url]

'If Zarqawi and [Osama] bin Laden gain control of Iraq, they would create a new training ground for future terrorist attacks," Bush said. ''They'd seize oil fields to fund their ambitions. They could recruit more terrorists by claiming a historic victory over the United States and our coalition." now, if bush had said this in the beginning, i would have supported it ! not that its so right, but it makes sense.....problem is, he and his spin machine didnt think of it until after the first fifty LIES !!

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla

Bush himself says you're full of shit Decka. How does it feel?

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Bush gives new reason for Iraq war
Says US must prevent oil fields from falling into hands of terrorists

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/31/bush_gives_new_reason_for_iraq_war/

'If Zarqawi and [Osama] bin Laden gain control of Iraq, they would create a new training ground for future terrorist attacks," Bush said. ''They'd seize oil fields to fund their ambitions. They could recruit more terrorists by claiming a historic victory over the United States and our coalition." 5-ton G, you are absolutely right !!! decka, here, right out of the ass's mouth.........i mean....horse's mouth;)

Okay okay, i have ALOT to answer to here....

First off, let me repost what Mr. Bush said...

'If Zarqawi and [Osama] bin Laden gain control of Iraq, they would create a new training ground for future terrorist attacks," Bush said. ''They'd seize oil fields to fund their ambitions. They could recruit more terrorists by claiming a historic victory over the United States and our coalition."

Okay, i noticed first off that alot of the reaction from you guys who are trying to wipe this in my face are based on assumptions. NOWHERE does the Pres say that WE must take the Iraqi oil fields... he only hints that we cannot allow THEM to have access to them.

That is a HUGE difference...

and that is something i agree with, we don't need terrorists bankrolled by Iraqi oil fields...

Anything else that you guys say is pretty much just a theory.... and while it may be true, or false.... i can't use it as fact just yet like you guys do.

So yea 500 i wouldnt say im "full of shit" just yet... of the two of us i'd say you have a little more feces within your body because of how much assumption you take as fact.