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silverbulletkc
08-23-2005, 11:31 AM
Robertson: U.S. should 'take out' Venezuela's Chavez
Christian broadcaster says 'cheaper than starting a war'

Tuesday, August 23, 2005; Posted: 12:18 p.m. EDT (16:18 GMT)

(CNN) -- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson has called for the United States to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him "a terrific danger" bent on exporting Communism and Islamic extremism across the Americas.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson told viewers on his "The 700 Club" show Monday. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war." Watch video of Robertson's comments

Robertson, a contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, called Chavez "a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said. "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Robertson accused Chavez, a left-wing populist with close ties to Cuban President Fidel Castro, of trying to make Venezuela "a launching pad for Communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent."

"This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen," he said.

Chavez has said he believes the United States is trying to assassinate him, vowing that Venezuela, which accounts for more than 10 percent of U.S. oil imports, would shut off the flow of oil if that happens.

The Unites States has denied such allegations in the past.

Executive orders issued by Presidents Ford and Reagan banned political assassinations.

Robertson's comments Monday were the latest in a string of controversial remarks in recent years by the religious broadcaster and founder of the Christian Coalition.

Last October, during the heat of the presidential race, Robertson told CNN that during a meeting with President Bush before the invasion of Iraq, the president told him he did not believe there would be casualties. The White House strongly denied the claim.

In May, during an ABC interview, Robertson ignited a firestorm with his response to a question about whether activist judges were more of a threat to America than terrorists.

"If they look over the course of 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that's held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings," he said.

Defending his remarks in a letter to Sen. Frank Lautenberg, Robertson insisted he was not being cavalier about the 9/11 attacks. But he also refused to apologize, saying Supreme Court rulings on abortion, religious expression in the public square, pornography and same-sex marriage "are all of themselves graver dangers in the decades to come than the terrorists which our great nation has defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq."

A 'nuke' for Foggy Bottom
In October 2003, Robertson, criticizing the State Department during an interview on "The 700 Club," said "maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up," referring to the nickname for the department's headquarters in Washington.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher called the remark "despicable."

In July 2003, Robertson asked his audience to pray for three justices to retire from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced with more conservative jurists. "One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition," he said.

Robertson insisted he was only calling for prayers for the justices to retire and was not asking his followers to pray for their demise.

In November 2002, Robertson charged that the Muslim holy book, the Quran, incites followers to kill people of other faiths and disputed Bush's characterization of Islam as a religion of peace.

"It's clear from the teachings of the Quran and also from the history of Islam that it's anything but peaceful," Robertson said in a subsequent interview with CNN. "Of course there are peace-loving Muslims. But at the same time, at the core of this religion ... is jihad, and it is to subject the unbelievers either to forced conversion or death. That's what it teaches."
....This just sorta came out of left field to me.

So what do you think? Is this a real threat, or is it just some random highly influential wannabe, running his mouth off to gain cynical popularity? Your thoughts...

Travh20
08-23-2005, 12:05 PM
this just proves that all christians are bloodthirsty maniacs

silverbulletkc
08-23-2005, 12:57 PM
Well I'm christian, but you don't see me going on rampages of death (although I did kill a fly with a magazine this morning).

Echo2
08-23-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by silverbulletkc
Well I'm christian, but you don't see me going on rampages of death (although I did kill a fly with a magazine this morning).

Curses upon you for being so unchristian. Thou shalt not kill is one of the comandments and it does not have a subscript "except flys" in it. Your penance: 400 hail Mary's, 50 our fathers and church twice a week for a year. Add you must donate your age in ten dollor bills each time you go. That should teach you not to kill flys. :slap: :confused:

silverbulletkc
08-23-2005, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
Curses upon you for being so unchristian. Thou shalt not kill is one of the comandments and it does not have a subscript "except flys" in it. Your penance: 400 hail Mary's, 50 our fathers and church twice a week for a year. Add you must donate your age in ten dollor bills each time you go. That should teach you not to kill flys.
...Yes, Mother. Do I also have to sell myself on the city streets in order to curb your gambling and drinking addiction?

~Sal~
08-23-2005, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
this just proves that all christians are bloodthirsty maniacs

Baaaahahaha...I did a tea choke...thanks for the chuckles..

~Sal~
08-23-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by silverbulletkc
So what do you think? Is this a real threat, or is it just some random highly influential wannabe, running his mouth off to gain cynical popularity? Your thoughts...

I would say yes it is a real threat because as a country I believe you are moving further and further to the right. This guy, although extreme makes some good points albeit frightening ones. It is cheaper to just take out one man than have a war. It is even logical and in some cases it is even practical AND justified. BUT, who decides who gets taken out and what constitutes justified.

Fear leads to repression. Repression of self and others. As people's fear escalates they rein in themselves and then those around them. Everything becomes more limited, including human rights. The question then becomes, what percentage of your population feel enough fear to elect an extremist? Is it possible? I don't know. This guy sounds five steps right of Bush.

The Praetorian
08-23-2005, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by ~Sal~
This guy sounds five steps right of Bush.
You've never heard of Pat Robertson? The dude's a fucking loon - he is five steps right of Bush.

~Sal~
08-23-2005, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
You've never heard of Pat Robertson? The dude's a fucking loon - he is five steps right of Bush.

Nah, I'm a sheltered Canadian we have our own loons... they make me shudder, but this guy makes me convulse.

Blibblob
08-23-2005, 07:38 PM
Pat Robertson's a horrible person. He's almost as bad as Fred Phelps. At times they're about equivilent. He's getting to the point of being one of the worst kinds of people any place on this planet can produce.

silverbulletkc
08-23-2005, 08:14 PM
If he wants Chavez gone so badly and wants to have him assassinated, how about we send Robertson down there to do it himself. Then we'll watch him either get raped by the military, or raped in a prison cell.

Imagineer
08-24-2005, 02:00 AM
I believe the classic Pat Robertson pronouncement was during his presidential campaign, when he claimed that a hurricane approaching Virginia would turn aside because he prayed to God, and God told him it would. Of course the National Hurricane Center had also predicted it to turn before it hit the coast. It did turn, and he claimed this as a sign from God that all Christians should support him.
Asw far as Venezuela, Chavez won the election fair and square. Outside observers reported that as fact. One of those observers was former President Jimmy Carter.
Later, we tried to overthrow his government, because he had the nerve to try and tax the wealthy oil companies to provide aid for the poor. He wanted to provide food and medical care to people without jobs. The oil companies objected, and the U.S. staged a coup. It failed when the oil workers went out on strike demanding the return of Chavez. Eventually the oil companies gave in, and he was restored to power. Since that time, he has been very critical of the Bush Administration and their policies. Pat Robertson's idiotic statements have not helped. I hope that the President does not murder Chavez, and I hope that no one else does either, because if they do the oil workers may well strike again. We import a substantial fraction of our oil from Venezuela, and the price of gasoline and heating fuel is already high.

DrewM
08-24-2005, 04:07 AM
Pat Robertson is nothing but a shit bag.

I'm not pro-Christian - but my sympathy goes out to reasonable christians who have to face an onslaught because this scum bucket calls himself a christian leader.

We should assasinate Chavez though.

Vilepagan
08-24-2005, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
We should assasinate Chavez though.

Because?

DrewM
08-24-2005, 07:59 AM
It's the American thing to do. They supply 8% of our Oil and he's a communist sympathiser. Wasn't the CIA created for jobs like that?

silverbulletkc
08-24-2005, 08:19 AM
So, basically, if we went into Iraq for oil, we should go into Venezuela as well for the same reasons, and only to enrich our world image as a country of greedy assholes?

Echo2
08-24-2005, 10:50 AM
We have already seen that we don't need an excuse to attack another country. We can just reasonably assume that since Chavez doesn't like us he has weapons of mass distruction and will be making mushroom clouds over American soil. We can rush in, without a plan, understaffed and under supplied, take him out and then set up a government that we think they should have. All in the name of helping the Venezuelan's gain freedom.

Think of the possibilites. We could take over the world one country at a time!

The Praetorian
08-24-2005, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
It's the American thing to do. They supply 8% of our Oil and he's a communist sympathiser. Wasn't the CIA created for jobs like that?
LMFAO!! :D
Originally posted by Imagineer
Later, we tried to overthrow his government, because he had the nerve to try and tax the wealthy oil companies to provide aid for the poor. He wanted to provide food and medical care to people without jobs. The oil companies objected, and the U.S. staged a coup.
And why should the oil companies be responsible for providing social aid? Venezuela's private sector can't manufacture, nor can it create jobs, so it becomes the de facto job of their only industry to make sure people don't go without food? Yeah, that seems real fair to the people who work for a living.

Lately I've been thinking that we should develop an alternative fuel source for no other reason than seeing these bullshit nations war with one another while they starve to death in the process. Hell, considering our standing in world opinion, I'd love to see it on PPV. :corn:

They hate us anyway, so what does it matter??? They can hate us and die at their own hand as far as I'm concerned.

The Praetorian
08-24-2005, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Echo2
We have already seen that we don't need an excuse to attack another country. We can just reasonably assume that since Chavez doesn't like us he has weapons of mass distruction and will be making mushroom clouds over American soil. We can rush in, without a plan, understaffed and under supplied, take him out and then set up a government that we think they should have. All in the name of helping the Venezuelan's gain freedom.

Think of the possibilites. We could take over the world one country at a time!
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~raza/idiot.jpg

Blibblob
08-24-2005, 11:30 AM
And why should the oil companies be responsible for providing social aid? Venezuela's private sector can't manufacture, nor can it create jobs, so it becomes the de facto job of their only industry to make sure people don't go without food? Yeah, that seems real fair to the people who work for a living.
It is fair. Considering that down in Venezuela those who work for their living don't get paid enough to do that. Living that is. Not to mention that since it is really their only industry what the Venezuelan government is doing is forcing a minimum wage in a quite a bit more efficient way than we do. Less loop holes when the company is just taxed and that money spent on welfare a healthcare. Not every country's economic system is as balanced as ours is. And oftentimes ours is so balanced because other country's systems aren't balanced. And then some other countries can't have balanced systems because ours is balanced.
Rich companies aren't so goody goody as you like to make them out to be. And rich executives in those rich companies don't do as much work as you make it out to be. Oil companies tend to be the worst, it is in their history you know. Oil companies are about the only companies on the planet that have really any say in how much their product is worth. Supply and demand isn't all of the pricing. It takes oil to ship oil.

DrewM
08-24-2005, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by silverbulletkc
So, basically, if we went into Iraq for oil, we should go into Venezuela as well for the same reasons, and only to enrich our world image as a country of greedy assholes?

Exactly, but rather than create a friendly government via sending 130,000 troops half way across the world at a cost of $200 billion plus. The idea here is simple send in a CIA guy with night vision goggles and high tech James bond style gadgets to sneak in and pop a bullet in his head as he gets out of the shower.

Cheap! - Heck the CIA could even try a few times at those prices. Hopefully though they learned some tricks over the 50 or so times they tried to kill Castro!

silverbulletkc
08-24-2005, 03:19 PM
I vote we get Robertson to do it himself. only instead of James Bond-style gadgets, we give him beer goggles and a strap-on.

silverbulletkc
08-24-2005, 08:49 PM
Apparently, Robertson is apologizing for his comments. OK, what do we do now?

Evakian
08-24-2005, 08:53 PM
make him do it anyway! :p

silverbulletkc
08-24-2005, 09:16 PM
Lol...want to make him eat his own words, eh, Ev?

LionelHutz
08-25-2005, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by silverbulletkc
Apparently, Robertson is apologizing for his comments. OK, what do we do now?

We still kill him. He says something completed retarded every year.

The Praetorian
08-25-2005, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by LionelHutz
He says something completed retarded every year.
I like this one in particular:

"There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore." -- Pat Robertson, address to his American Center for Law and Justice, November, 1993.

I thought this one was hilarious:

"[Planned Parenthood] is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism -- everything that the Bible condemns." -- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, April 9, 1991.

~Sal~
08-25-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by LionelHutz
We still kill him. He says something completed retarded every year.

Hell no, let him live!!! He is better than a circus clown! I LOVE when these fools make public spectacles of themselves.

500lbguerilla
08-25-2005, 08:02 PM
It's the American thing to do. They supply 8% of our Oil and he's a communist sympathiser. Wasn't the CIA created for jobs like that? Zeig Hail, Mien Drew...Everyone MUST act just as the US or be punished.

Apparently, Robertson is apologizing for his comments. OK, what do we do now? Not really though if you actually read said "apology". I posted it on the other venezuela thread GMS created along with some hilarious cartoons.

Chavez has this crazy idea that the natural resources in a country benefit the people in the country. What a loon right?

Prea- that picture is hilarious. Is it real? cause it looks photoshopped.

The Praetorian
08-26-2005, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Prea- that picture is hilarious. Is it real? cause it looks photoshopped.
Yeah, I thought so, too. :) I don't think the pic is photo shopped, but it's plastered all over the Internet, nonetheless. I suppose it could be...

500lbguerilla
08-26-2005, 12:53 PM
Looking again its definatly photoshopped. look at the lettering. notice the difference between the "A" and "a peanut"

The Praetorian
08-26-2005, 02:53 PM
Could be....

I don't know, I just thought it was funny.

Elwood
08-29-2005, 11:21 PM
Hmmm didn't Pat Roberson at one point try to become the U.S. President---making the kind of statement he made recently makes me think they need to do a better screening tests for the White House-but then again Clinton got in so I guess that would answer my question-If you got the money and the time the American people will put up with you Hahaha