There is a new movie coming out: The C.S.A.

A humorous documentary about how the south allied with Britain and France and won the war.

"CSA: THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA, through the eyes of a faux documentary, takes a look at an America where the South won the Civil War. Supposedly produced by a British broadcasting company, the feature film is presented as a production being shown, controversially, for the first time on television in the States.

Beginning with the British and French forces joining the battle with the Confederacy, thus assuring the defeat of the North at Gettysburg and ensuing battles, the South takes the battle northward and form one country out of the two.
Lincoln attempts escape to Canada but is captured in blackface. This moment is captured in the clip of a silent film that might have been.

Through the use of other fabricated movie segments, old government information films, television commercials, news breaks, along with actual stock footage from our own history, a provocative and humorous story is told of a country which, in many ways, frighteningly follows a parallel with our own.

After victory, President Davis brings slavery back to the northern states by offering a tax rebate to businesses and households who will buy and own them.
Liberals move to Canada. The nation chooses an expansionist policy and conquers Cuba, Mexico and South America. As world war looms, the CSA takes a nonagressive stance toward the Third Reich and their move toward racial purity (although not condoning their wasting of possible slave stock by the Final Solution) and makes a preemptive strike on Japan on December 7, 1941.
Kennedy is assassinated soon after being elected as it appears he will not only emancipate but also give women the vote. A growing black terrorist base stems from Canada and a Cold War breaks out…complete with the Cotton Curtain being built between the two countries.

Through it all, including a contemporary run for the presidency, we follow a political dynasty, the Fauntroy family, who lead the country through its triumphs and tragedies.

We arrive to a today that, in many ways, we recognize. Although a nation that is content and prosperous, there is a tremendous divide within and suspicious eye without. Current politicians refer to us as two countries and perhaps, other than geographically, there is no difference between Red and Blue or North and South states. We have always struggled as to whether we are the United or Confederate States of America." -excerpt from C.S.A. The Movie website

Check out the trailer and read about the film- it all seems very interesting, horrifying, and hilarious http://www.csathemovie.com/

What do you think would happen if the CSA beat the USA during the civil war and why? Open to discussion about the movie, the premise, the history of the US and US civil war, or just any relating topic. Lets hear your thoughts on this provocative work.

The British Broadcasting Company? A British movie then. I guess they got sick and tired of Mel Gibson doing those movies that made the British look bad. "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" come to mind.

Cool. I think its called Historical revisionism. I think this one is based on a book my friend had. If so it should be very entertaining.

Yea, we shall have to wait and see if this is going to be revisionist or just a interesting look at alternate history (which is a book genre believe it or not)

This is how England WANTED this war to go--they hatched numerous assissantion plots against Lincoln, would have aided the South if the Confeds had won at Gettysburg, and aided and abetted John Surratt, ringleader of the successful plot to kill Lincoln, who worked closely with John Wilkes Booth, Lewis Paine, and Mary Surratt, et al. (these last 2 were hung).
The idea being , if the Union had lost the war, this country would then become one of England's colonies again.

This is how England WANTED this war to go--they hatched numerous assissantion plots against Lincoln, would have aided the South if the Confeds had won at Gettysburg, and aided and abetted John Surratt, ringleader of the successful plot to kill Lincoln, who worked closely with John Wilkes Booth, Lewis Paine, and Mary Surratt, et al. (these last 2 were hung).
LOL!
Now this is revisionism. Firstly, Booth was the ringleader, Surratt willingly joined Booth's plan to capture Lincoln. That never happened. When the night came that Booth was to kill Lincoln and the rest were to kill other heads of state, Surratt had fled to New York and then to Canada. Where he then went to England and finally Rome. Secondly, if England WANTED the south to win the war, they only needed to help them. The issue being that no other nation than the North considered the South to even be a seperate country. They just figured it to be a civil war. Most historians think that if the South had won at Antietam(not Gettysburg as you claim) then the French and English may have sent assistance. Gettysburg was much too far into the war and it was after a turn of defeats that the foreign powers had already stopped caring.

Most historians think that if the South had won at Antietam(not Gettysburg as you claim) then the French and English may have sent assistance. Gettysburg was much too far into the war and it was after a turn of defeats that the foreign powers had already stopped caring- Blibblob

Woot! a fellow war buff. Indeed the battle of Antietam Creek was the turning point of the war, with the English military turning down the possibility of aid after Confederate forces collapsed under a slew of poorly planned attacks and mishaps at the fight.

Also, i would like to point out that in this movie summary:

Liberals move to Canada- from CSA the movie website.

The term 'liberal' did not apply as it does today, but still at that time the democratic party was the 'liberal' side, passing all the "Jim Crowe" laws to allow further slavery.

Anyway, come now fellas, lets open this up, seemed like an interesting topic.

Antietam was a draw. No side won there, despite casualties of over 22,000. All that was accomplished was Lee retreating back over the Potomac, and, a few days later, the Emancipation Proclamation. (ALL??)
The conspirators met at Mary Surratt's boarding house, as you know..she later claimed to not know Paine--"Before god, I have never seen this man before." These were the words that hung her.
John Surratt's work absolving himself is a real laugh! He even claimed to not know his own mother had been hung. What a fine son he was.
The real mystery in all this is Dr. Mudd, the man who set booth's broken leg... I guess the jury is still out on his guilt. Myself, i believe he was an innocent party, just happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Also, lastly, queen Victoria,England's monarch at this time, was personally against slavery but the English factories were crying out for the South's cotton. Economically, they most certainly had a lot to lose if the war went the "wrong" way.

Overall it is written that the battle was a draw, but The South faced much higher casualties and ended up retreating in the end. That is enough for the Union to claim victory by their standards ;) And yes, Queen Victoria opposed slavery and the Industrial Revolution was getting underway and so needed much cotton that their homeland could not produce in the same way or quantity. But the South was not doing so well that Britain was going to place their bet with all their chips. Think of the implications if they sent in aid and ending up losing. France, The newly repaired US, great britain and united states citizens would have seen and acted much differently if that happened. MUCH differently, we possibly would be enemies with them and there would be many problems with the relations of the two nations; the Industrial Revolution would have been a type of "cold war" with Great Britain, and the Spanish American War may have gotten them worried and riled up resulting in confrontations, and World War 1 would have been alot different. Note that is all mere quick conjecture. But if England hopped in at the time after Antietam and ended up losing to the Union. Things would have been MUCH DIFFERENT.

A pretty farfetched scenario all the way around. The Confederacy had little chance to win the Civil War. The early victories were due to good leadership, and high morale on the part of the Confederate troops, and incompetence on the part of the Union forces. The Union possesed too many advantages such as a much larger population, a much larger industrial base, and the North possessed most of the navy at the outbreak of war. The South had no warships in its possession at the start of the war, and had one shipyard capable of building warships, Norfolk; and one shipyard capable of repairing warships at Pensacola. The Confederacy had one factory capable of repairing railroad locomotives, and they had far less track mileage than the North.

With the odds stacked against them like this it's hard to envision a Confederate victory.

Good points and posts from all.
Someone needs to start a Civil War thread so we can refight this war again!:)

Bartender to Booth on the afternoon of the assassination:
"You'll never be the man your father was."

Drunken Booth's reply:
"Oh yes? When I leave the stage I'll be the most famous man in America".

Originally posted by Vilepagan
A pretty farfetched scenario all the way around. The Confederacy had little chance to win the Civil War. The early victories were due to good leadership, and high morale on the part of the Confederate troops, and incompetence on the part of the Union forces. The Union possesed too many advantages such as a much larger population, a much larger industrial base, and the North possessed most of the navy at the outbreak of war. The South had no warships in its possession at the start of the war, and had one shipyard capable of building warships, Norfolk; and one shipyard capable of repairing warships at Pensacola. The Confederacy had one factory capable of repairing railroad locomotives, and they had far less track mileage than the North.

With the odds stacked against them like this it's hard to envision a Confederate victory.

Wonderfully put and very truthful. :)
Notice why i put ROFL in the title, the whole thing seems kinda fishy

Originally posted by rendova
Good points and posts from all.
Someone needs to start a Civil War thread so we can refight this war again!:)

Alright i took care of that for you, mosey on over if you want to the history forums :cool: