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Lokideviluk
08-05-2005, 10:53 AM
Just got sent this...

A SHORT HISTORY LESSON

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice

test. The events are actual Events from history. They actually happened!

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:

a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40


2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:


a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.

Thousands of people were killed by:

a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

And guess who just bombed London? Can any one guess?

Nope, .I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

Spartak
08-05-2005, 02:00 PM
Only the post-1993 events are relevant in your friend's long justification of irrational cowardice.

These...
Originally posted by Lokideviluk

Just got sent this...

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
Were all carried out by the non-Islamist and often Christian led 'Palestinian' movements, despised by bin Laden and chums for the very reason that they were non-Islamic, Communist-backed, secular groups stuffed with 'infidels' ie Christians and European lefties like Baader-Meinhoff, Action Directe etc.
Bob Dylan would bear more similarities to most of the above than would an Arab Islamo-fascist Al Qaeda terrorist.

These are hilarious...
Originally posted by Lokideviluk

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

The above were carried out by Shia Moslems, Iranian (or Iranian-backed in the case of Hezb'ollah) who are the deadly enemies of Al-Qaeda. It was their allies in Afghanistan (the United Islamic Front, or 'Northern Alliance) who overthrew the Taleban for the US after the Sept 11th bombings.
They attacked the US and Israel because the US and Israel were naughty boys - in the case of the US: backing the Shah, then sucking up to Saddam; in the case of Israel: being naughty boys in Lebanon.

When there's a 'War' against terrorists, try finding out who's on your side and who isn't. The enemy is Al Qaeda: Islamo-fascists, who call themselves Sunni Moslems, hate Iran, and regard the US as weak and ripe for attack.

A Briton or an American is more likely to be Al Qaeda than those behind the acts above, so perhaps you think we should be 'profiled' before them.

jerejerebinks
08-05-2005, 02:02 PM
Wow! That's very clever, and very funny.

Darth Be'lal
08-05-2005, 05:14 PM
Loki,

You did a good job in digging up this little this little blurb you posted. Funny with more than a hint of the truth. It was excellent.

Vilepagan
08-05-2005, 05:21 PM
Nice post Spartak. I was hoping Darth might have more to say, but perhaps not. :)

Darth Be'lal
08-05-2005, 06:12 PM
Vile,

I really should resist being baited, but I'll bite. Spartak's post is absolute crap. Whether or not they are Palistinians, Shias or whatver, it's young middle eastern men between the ages of 17 and 40 that are THE driving force behind the terrorist attacks in all the examples Loki posted. I'm not interested in the finer shades of their religious affiliations.

Dammit.

Lokideviluk
08-05-2005, 06:51 PM
In respect it appears Spartak is willing to investigate and source information readily, and formulate logical arguments.

Spartak, Is it or is it not True that regardless of faction, the people commiting the above acts were all muslims?

Spartak
08-05-2005, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Darth Be'lal


I'm not interested in the finer shades of their religious affiliations.

Dammit.
And the main Entebbe hi-jackers were Middle Eastern? and was Carlos the Jackal Middle-Eastern? The Japanese Red Army were Middle Eastern? No, All were committing similar and worse acts for the Palestinian groups against the Israelis, but are not on the list in the 'history' lesson - it would upset the world view of snivelling little cowards.
Were ANY of the London bombers Middle Eastern?
Nah!

Spartak
08-05-2005, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Lokideviluk

Spartak, Is it or is it not True that regardless of faction, the people commiting the above acts were all muslims?
Impossible to say - a helluva lot of PLO, Al Fatah, were/are Christians, including Archbishop Hilarion Capucci - former head of the Greek Catholic Community in East Jerusalem, and imprisoned for gun-running.
The operations head of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (the PFLP was the worst of the anti-Israeli terrorist groups of the 1970s), Dr Wadi Haddad, was Greek Catholic.
In those days, when communism was the enemy and Islamo-fascists were our leaders' friends, no-one cared to collect much data on the 'official' religion of every anti-Jewish terrorist.

LionelHutz
08-05-2005, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Spartak

Were ANY of the London bombers Middle Eastern?


Uh, yes - at least one of them had emigrated from Pakistan.

The concept so many seem to have trouble with is that profiling is placing additional emphasis on a particular group while looking at all, not concentrating solely on one group and completely ignoring all others.

Spartak
08-06-2005, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by LionelHutz
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Originally posted by Spartak

Were ANY of the London bombers Middle Eastern?

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Uh, yes - at least one of them had emigrated from Pakistan.

Uh, No. Pakistanis are not Middle-Eastern, and do not even look Middle-Eastern.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
The concept so many seem to have trouble with is that profiling is placing additional emphasis on a particular group while looking at all, not concentrating solely on one group and completely ignoring all others. [/B]
I think that is correct, I just needed to point out that the list was deliberately selective and airbrushed from history several worse terror attacks becuase the perpetrators were Japanese, Europeans, South Americans or ME Christians.

Brooks
08-10-2005, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by Spartak
I think that is correct, I just needed to point out that the list was deliberately selective and airbrushed from history several worse terror attacks becuase the perpetrators were Japanese, Europeans, South Americans or ME Christians.
Of course it was a fine-tuned list. It's the list he chose to post. You're welcome to present your own anytime.

Let's forget Pol Pot because Hitler was worse.

Evakian
08-10-2005, 02:07 PM
1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:

a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

Well, Harry Potter wasn't born yet so it must have been Superman.


2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Olga is the culprit!


3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

The embassy was a sticky situation. The Lost Norweigians were kidnapping elvis and when the old grannies (Elvis' old fans who attended his concert) saw this there was a gunfight that resulted in a chase through the Iranian streets. And somehow the embassy was the ending spot of the horrible catastrophe

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:


a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

John Dillinger started the Lebanese mafia, called Al- Shakritia tin al dubadiya von pretzels. So im placing the blame on him


5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Pee Wee herman for sure, he is a fiendish devil with that happy laugh and silly grin

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Not all the smurfs, just Terroristsmurf, Homocidalsmurf and masturbationsmurf. They were led by Papasmurf, the others were left out of the mix

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

D!


8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Scooby Doo was always attacked by the Tooth fairy, those scooby snacks always pulled out his chompers. they were too busy fighting so..
So that leaves Paul NEwman and Robert Redford as the terrorist culprits

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

D and B and A how dare you accuse michael jordan!!!

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Apparently those embassies didn't want to be somebody's neighbor, and so Rogers opened up a can of whupass

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by:

a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

ill go with D, but im telling ya, Mr. Bean is mighty suspicious

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

C and A were the years 2001 and 2003, so i suppose Lutherans but they seem like nice folks so i go with D again

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Captain Kang. and Bonnie/Clyde are in the cold dead ground. So i guess this poor fellow was murdered in the middle east by one of Grahams rabble rousing CRUSADES!!!!

And guess who just bombed London? Can any one guess?

W-i-l-l-i-a-m H-u-n-g

Spartak
08-10-2005, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Brooks
Of course it was a fine-tuned list. It's the list he chose to post. The list has been flying around internet-geek world for ages, and was deliberately selective to justify the irrational cowardice which breaks out after every pathetic terrorist atrocity.
If it gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling - fine. Just don't insult everyone's (I hope) intelligence by calling such crap a 'history lesson'.

Evakian
08-10-2005, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Spartak
Just don't insult everyone's (I hope) intelligence by calling such crap a 'history lesson'.

So the use of actual historical events and talking about the actual people who did them is not valid to be used as a way to educate people on terrorism and in no way could be a history lesson?

Spartak
08-10-2005, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Evakian
So the use of actual historical events and talking about the actual people who did them is not valid to be used as a way to educate people on terrorism and in no way could be a history lesson? Such agenda-driven airbrushing from history of actual historical events, and the inaccurate labelling of others to make them fit the pre-determined conclusion, is OBVIOUSLY a kind of 'history lesson' - similar such 'history lessons' were given in Austria to young Eichmann and young Hitler, and Islamo-fascists love to use similar tactics while indoctrinating gullible, whingeing Moslems around the world.

So I concede that if we give it its full title - 'a history lesson for retarded c***s' - it is possible to keep the two words together while retaining the correct level of accuracy.

Evakian
08-10-2005, 03:28 PM
So if a book about D-Day by an american soldier only talks about the Americans landing and never discusses the germans or any other country's army it is not a historical account of D-Day because it "picked and chose" only a few certain things to touch on?

Spartak
08-10-2005, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Evakian
So if a book about D-Day by an american soldier only talks about the Americans landing and never discusses the germans or any other country's army it is not a historical account of D-Day because it "picked and chose" only a few certain things to touch on?
If the book is inaccurate, dishonest and deliberately selective in order to propagate ignorance and irrational cowardice, then it is still 'history for retarded c***s' - no matter who writes it or whichever particular group of retarded c***s' he is talking to.

The kind of people it's aimed at:
Example: Darth Be'lal: "I really should resist being baited, but I'll bite. Spartak's post is absolute crap. Whether or not they are Palistinians, Shias or whatver, it's young middle eastern men between the ages of 17 and 40 that are THE driving force behind the terrorist attacks in all the examples Loki posted. I'm not interested in the finer shades of their religious affiliations."

ie the original list says 'Moslems', but Einstein changes it to 'Middle Eastern', while snivelling about me slating the post.
It's aimed at the sort of people who think it's great, but are too dumb to read the frickin' thing properly.

Evakian
08-10-2005, 03:58 PM
Point taken.
Although Darth probably didn't purposely middle eastern to replace Moslem to spread his agenda BWAHAHA
I think it was just subconcious or by accident in this case.

in order to propagate ignorance and irrational cowardice[B]

Never said that, if it is just a plain nonfiction standard scholarly paper on the subject, but does not discuss other sides fully or even at all its still not history?

Echo2
08-10-2005, 04:18 PM
What spartak is trying to say, is that if a history book, movie, etc. doesn't tell history the way he thinks it should be told then he calls it 'history for retarded c***s' . But if he agrees with the way it is told then it is truly a historical work.

Spartak doesn't realize that history is told from many viewpoints. A specific event in history will be told in many ways. All historical events are told from the view of the person telling it.

i.e. - The english have their view on our revolutionary war, the french another, americans another, the spanish another. The same goes for every event in history.

Evakian
08-10-2005, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
What spartak is trying to say, is that if a history book, movie, etc. doesn't tell history the way he thinks it should be told then he calls it 'history for retarded c***s' . But if he agrees with the way it is told then it is truly a historical work.

hahahahahaha

Spartak
08-10-2005, 04:37 PM
We all have different views, thank heavens, but the sad thing about this specific crap is that the stupidity and dishonesty is unnecessary.
The original author wished to justify profiling in the wake of Sept 11th, fine - a valid viewpoint, but why not limit it to the post 1993 stuff where the facts back up the conclusion?
The best propaganda is the truth; and forms a basis for discussion - unlike stuff aimed at the sort of retard who thinks that the 1970s anti-Israeli terrorists were only 'Moslem Male extremists'.

Spartak
08-10-2005, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
What spartak is trying to say, is that if a history book, movie, etc. doesn't tell history the way he thinks it should be told then he calls it 'history for retarded c***s' .

Translation: I've hurt your fluffy little feelings.

Echo2
08-10-2005, 04:46 PM
Get to know me better and you'll realize I have no fluffy little feelings to hurt. LOL.

Re-read what you posted and see if my explanation doesn't fit. I know what you were trying to say (and I agree with it) but the way you said it was as if you knew 100% what happened in history and any change from that was 'history for retarded c***s'.

FYI - I hate revisionist history too.

Spartak
08-10-2005, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
Get to know me better and you'll realize I have no fluffy little feelings to hurt. LOL.

Re-read what you posted and see if my explanation doesn't fit. I know what you were trying to say (and I agree with it) but the way you said it was as if you knew 100% what happened in history and any change from that was 'history for retarded c***s'.

FYI - I hate revisionist history too.
The list started to appear when Shia Moslems were doing the fighting against the Taleban/AlQaeda in Afghanistan for the US and UK, and there have been more American & British Al Qaeda than Shia Moslem - hence my slightly harsh (but still over-kind) description of people who thought it to be excellent.

When your country is attacked and your people murdered, it is customary to keep in mind who the enemy are, and who they are not.