I think that the president deserves a vacation just like every other government official.

we are at WAR ! a war that jackass started out of greed. he doesn't deserve shit. he needs to stay there until the job is finished......thats the least he could do since our SOLDIERS have to stay until the job is finished (or DIE ) !! so take that " defending everything that jerk does " bullshit out of here !!!!

Of course he deserves vacation. I have to admit that I sometimes wonder if he would let a national emergency interrupt his vacation, though.

I think he deserves a little R&R just like any other man....however, if he plans to go for a month and a half or w/e...he cant just neglect ever national emergency for his rest.

Originally posted by ConservativeMan
I think that the president deserves a vacation just like every other government official.

Ok.

Do you think it is right and fitting for him to have been at his "ranch" in Crawford TX for 315 days out of the five years he's been in office??

If a Demoncratic president had been away on vacation for that many days during a "war", uber-conservative ideologues like Limbaugh and Hannity would be going absolutely fucking ballistic.

Instead, their spiel is --"Aw, give him a break. He needs his vacation tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime".

Wow! Was it really 315 days? If so, thats a great point.

How many of those days were "meetings?"

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Wow! Was it really 315 days?

It was repoerted on a radio talk show this morning.

I don't rememebr if they said 305, 315 or 325, but the number they stated was a little more than 300 days that Bush has spent all or part of the day in Crawford.

I just looked around....CBS is reporting the number as 233 days spent all or in part in Crawford..........and he has spent all or part of 500 days out of the office while president.

This is a joke, right?
My family and I just went on a cruise. My daughter was able to AIM with her friends from the ship. If a 13 year old girl can keep in touch with her friends on vacation, I have a feeling that the most powerful man on the planet, with a limitless budget, can function from anywhere. What a non-issue.

Originally posted by Brooks
I have a feeling that the most powerful man on the planet, with a limitless budget, can function from anywhere. What a non-issue.

Ok.

If that's the case, lets let all future presidents just work from home. We'll save untold millions of taxdollars.

After all, according to you they are just as "in touch" at home as they would be if they were physically present in the city where the seat of government is.

For that matter, if it doesn't matter if the highest political officials are in their offices or 1000 miles away at a vacation spot, why don't we just do away with the Senate buildings entirely and have ALL of them work from their home??.....they can keep in touch and pass legislation by using their AIM messaging devices.

No TELLING how many billions THAT will save.

The more I think about this idea the more I like it.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Ok.

If that's the case, lets let all future presidents just work from home. We'll save untold millions of taxdollars.

After all, according to you they are just as "in touch" at home as they would be if they were physically present in the city where the seat of government is.

For that matter, if it doesn't matter if the highest political officials are in their offices or 1000 miles away at a vacation spot, why don't we just do away with the Senate buildings entirely and have ALL of them work from their home??.....they can keep in touch and pass legislation by using their AIM messaging devices.

No TELLING how many billions THAT will save.

The more I think about this idea the more I like it.

Dear Slippery Sloper, I refer you again to my signature line.
So lame, so lame.

Not a bad idea. We could tear down the white house and senate and put in a park with monuments to the soldiers who were used and died for political gain.

We could save millions if all politicians telacommuted and worked from home.

:D

This ain't no slippery slope, it is a great idea. Let them eat cake!

Originally posted by Brooks
Dear Slippery Sloper, .....

No "slippery slope" from me, pal.

The idea was based entirely on YOUR assertion that it does not matter WHERE the elected officials in the highest levels of govenrnment are.

Originally posted by Freethinker
No "slippery slope" from me, pal.

The idea was based entirely on YOUR assertion that it does not matter WHERE the elected officials in the highest levels of govenrnment are.
In your response you don't think the president, senate and "highest political officials" have to be in Washington. Unless you can find where I said any of that, then you have done a masterful extrapolation (do you prefer that euphamism?).

Originally posted by Brooks
In your response you don't think the president, senate and "highest political officials" have to be in Washington......

Uhhhhh.....Brooks??....are you suffering from amnesia?

YOU were the one who said that!!

You stated, and I quote; " I have a feeling that the most powerful man on the planet, with a limitless budget, can function from anywhere"

If THAT statement does not convey the thought that in your opinion it is not necessary that the president [and by, extension, other LESS important government officials) be in Washington, I cannot imagine what would.

Yeah, I said that in the context of vacations (thread title - remember?) You "stretched" that to doing away with buildings and sending the senate a thousand miles away.

It's funny, I said you "extrapolated" what I said and in your next post you claim to have figured out what I meant "by extension". I can't ask for more candor than that. Thank you.

Of course he should have a vacation. No president gets much of a vacation - he just gets a change of scenary. He still has his CIA breifing each day, meetings and so on. It's not like he is laying on the beach drinking vodka all day for a month with his email set to out of office reply.

"Currently out of the office and won't be checking emails or voicemails. In event of emergency please contact Dick Cheney"

Originally posted by Brooks
Yeah, I said that in the context of vacations

Ahh, i see.

NOW you are retreating to the position that --"well, you see, I meant the President could function perfectly well outside of Washington *while on vacation*...I didn't mean he could do it just any old time".........

Pretty hilarious attempt at a dodge.


Originally posted by Brooks
It's funny, I said you "extrapolated" what I said and in your next post you claim to have figured out what I meant "by extension".

Use either term you prefer.

They in essence amount to the same thing.....which is exactly correct, i.e., that for anyone to assert that the president of the most powerful nation on earth can perform his job perfectly well while 1000 miles from his ooffice would mean --by extension, by extrapolation-- that a Senator or Representative or any politician in a LESSER office would ALSO be able to do so.

Sheesh. Get a fucking clue.

Yeah, "retreating" to the title and the context of the entire thread.

But I must say, your clever use of the F word proves once again that you're right. G'night.

Originally posted by Brooks
Yeah, "retreating" to the title and the context of the entire thread.


Still...........you are retreating to the position that --"Well, you see, I meant the President could function perfectly well outside of Washington *while on vacation*, I didn't mean he could do it just any old time" -- ......... an indefensible position, if you want to maintain intellectually honesty.


.......nighty night

Originally posted by DrewM
"Currently out of the office and won't be checking emails or voicemails. In event of emergency please contact Dick Cheney"

Hmmm....I could see it saying that ALL THE TIME.

Free, you generally have more knowledge on a wider range of topics than I have, but this disagreement is about what I meant. Just read what I wrote, please, without extrapolating, extension, slippery sloping, etc. I didn't mention congress or permanently pulling the president out of Washington. Period.

This is the last thing I'm saying about this, and I mean it (unless you say something......)

Heard a thing yesterday saying Reagan had more vacation time than any president (500+) And that Bush just hit his record with 3 1/2 more years to go.

Pathetic

Reminds me of the time they said he could only give half a days tesitomony (not under oath) to the 9-11 panel then went and spent the whole next day at the rodeo.

Wow! Awseome point, 500. I didn't know that either.

That's a shame on Bush's record.

Brooks said--------I didn't mention congress or permanently pulling the president out of Washington.

I realize full well that you did not

I was simply extending your ---"the most powerful man on the planet can function from anywhere"--- assertion to its logical conlusion.

If the most powerful and prominent politician in the world can **function from anywhere** , then there is NO LONGER any need for a localized seat of government.

Said person is FAR more crucial to the operation of our political system than ANY other individual politician.

The logical extension of your premise is that if HE, the president, can **function from anywhere** during a certain period (i.e., a FIVE week vacation) of time, then ALL OTHER political officials can do so also.

Also, by the logical extension of your premise, if the PRESIDENT can **function from anywhere** during a certain period (i.e., a FIVE week vacation) of time while a WAR is in progress, then he can function from that point indefinitely.

Ergo, using your premise, it is NOT necessary for the taxpayers to pay for the cost of maintaining a central seat of government.

THAT is the point.

my ONLY point was, if he were a democratic president, you guys would have been RIPPING his ass good.......AND YOU KNOW IT !!!! i personally dont find anything wrong with anyone getting a vacation. but whats good for the dems........well, you know.

personally, I wish the president and all of government took half the year off, they could do less damage that way

Originally posted by Travh20
personally, I wish the president and all of government took half the year off, they could do less damage that way

Jeese trav, you are making a lot of sense this morning. lol