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Echo2
08-03-2005, 05:50 PM
August 3, 2005
By Mark G. Levey

The U.N. doesn't have to accept John Bolton's credentials. This may come as a rude surprise to George W. Bush, who Monday morning appointed Bolton U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, despite his rejection several weeks ago by the Senate.

The unintended consequence of Bolton's appointment, which is creating a lightning rod at the U.N. for resentment, anger and fear of Bush administration foreign policy, is a possible move by the General Assembly to limit U.S. actions in the Middle East and Persian Gulf.

It is likely that one or more General Assembly member states will challenge Bolton's credentials. In that case, under Articles 27-29, he will be seated provisionally until the nine members of the Credentials Committee can vote on the question.

The members of the Credentials Committee appointed at the 59th session are:

Benin
Bhutan
China
Ghana
Liechtenstein
Russian Federation
Trinidad and Tobago
United States
Uruguay

This could force what Bush likes to call an "up or down" vote on the issue, and likely Bolton's first direct conflict with Russia and China at the U.N. It is unclear how the smaller states on the committee might vote.

U.N. RESISTANCE LARGELY OVER BUSH IRAN POLICY

Bolton's nomination signals the Bush Administration's intention to use the U.N. to legitimize an attack against Iran - something most of the world surely wants to avoid. A challenge to Bolton's credentials may be a tactic to stall or delay a U.S. push toward a resolution authorizing force against Iran. Some members may welcome this opportunity to make their influence felt on this little-known committee, rather than risk an open vote challenging the United States in the General Assembly.

Opponents of Bolton at the U.N. certainly have an unusually large amount of ammunition to use against him, should they take a stand. Democrats in the U.S. Senate had blocked his nomination through parliamentary maneuvering, even though the Republicans control that body. Allegations have arisen that Bolton misrepresented the fact that he was questioned by investigators looking into his possible role in the illegal disclosure of Valerie Plame, a CIA officer. Bolton is furthermore on record as making numerous hostile statements against the U.N., and perhaps on this basis opponents could mount a challenge. It will likely not happen, but it's worth contemplating.

Bolton's appointment to the U.N. is perhaps most alarming as he is a principal leader of the neocon faction that has been most aggressively pushing the Bush administration toward military action intended to overthrow the government of Iran. Bush's move to appoint him during a Congressional recess is likely to be taken as sign that U.S.-Iranian relations have entered a dangerous new phase. This is not a welcome development by the vast majority of U.N. members.

U.N. MAY TAKE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO IMPOSE LIMITATIONS ON U.S.

While challenges are not infrequent, actual rejection of the credentials of U.N. representatives is extraordinary. In the last 30 years, the committee rejected the credentials of Burmese and Cambodian U.N. representatives because of serious doubts about the legitimacy of the regimes and factions that sent them.

While Bolton is widely feared and disliked among diplomats, Bolton's outright rejection by a majority of the committee would be stunning, almost unimaginable. It is far more likely that the General Assembly may take this opportunity to attempt to impose conditions on U.S. international actions, such as its occupation of Iraq and any arm-twisting it may attempt to force the world body to authorize military action against Iran.

No doubt, many delegates would welcome a low-risk opportunity to send a clear message to the U.S. that Bolton's notoriously undiplomatic methods are unwelcome. Representation in the world body It's not an internal U.S. matter - the U.N. chooses who it finds acceptable among its own representatives.

Ironically, the U.S. helped to create precedent for this three decades ago. In 1991, a block of Arab states moved (unsuccessfully) to limit Israel's membership in the U.N. by declaring its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza to be illegal. As the Arab states pointed out at the time, the U.S. had itself in 1973 voted to impose limitations on Portugal's credentials at the U.N., effectively forcing it to abandon its colonial claims on Angola.

Therefore, the Bolton appointment presents an opportunity for a state or states to motion to limit U.S. actions or jurisdiction in some way, both in its occupation of Iraq and in whatever unilateral designs it may have on Iran.

Brooks
08-03-2005, 08:35 PM
They won't.

We get the impression in this country that much of the world believes the way our Democrat senators do. They don't.

The UN is a corrupt, larcenous organization. Bolton is too good for it (Who's the bigger thief - Koffi or Bolton?)

LionelHutz
08-03-2005, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
The U.N. doesn't have to accept John Bolton's credentials. This may come as a rude surprise to George W. Bush, who Monday morning appointed Bolton U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, despite his rejection several weeks ago by the Senate.


They probably won't because most of the people at the UN, whatever their problems might be, have a somewhat better sense of diplomacy than Bush does.

500lbguerilla
08-03-2005, 09:54 PM
Liechtenstein is a country?

Man I love their art...
:D

I think Bolton is a great pick. I mean America just isn't alienated enough from the rest of the world...

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/77868922-0228-11da-9481-00000e2511c8.html

DrewM
08-03-2005, 10:25 PM
They wont do that. Also that report is factually incorrect. It says that Bolton was rejected by the Senate. This is not true - they never got to a vote. If they actually voted he would have easily been confirmed.

Darth Be'lal
08-03-2005, 11:03 PM
Echo,

Considering the track record of the U.N., why do you seem to hold it in such high esteem?

Freethinker
08-04-2005, 01:02 AM
read on the web.........

""The uniquely American fondness for dissing the UN is quite extraordinary. It is the height of hypocrisy, for no country has had its interests served better by the UN than the United States. The arrogance of it is astounding. Remember the American sneering over the rights of Angola, Cameroon, and Guinea to use their rotations on the Security Council to pass judgment about Iraq? (No such sneering when senators from the microscopic states of Rhode Island or Delaware threaten to block a piece of legislation on Capitol Hill.) As Dag Hammarskjold famously said, 'The UN was not created to take humanity to heaven but to save it from hell'....""

The Praetorian
08-04-2005, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
They wont do that. Also that report is factually incorrect. It says that Bolton was rejected by the Senate. This is not true - they never got to a vote. If they actually voted he would have easily been confirmed.
That's exactly right.

Brooks
08-04-2005, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker
read on the web.........

""The uniquely American fondness for dissing the UN is quite extraordinary. It is the height of hypocrisy, for no country has had its interests served better by the UN than the United States. The arrogance of it is astounding.
And here's how we get our "interests served" for paying 25% of their operating budget and donating more to their charitable organizations than every other member COMBINED:

How often UN members vote against the US

Kuwait 86%
Qatar 88%
Morocco 89%
United Arab Emirates 88%
Jordan 88%
Tunisia 89%
Saudi Arabia 90%
Yemen 88%
Algeria 88%
Oman 88%
Sudan 86%
Pakistan 87%
Libya 89%
Egypt 86%
Lebanon 90%
India 79%
Syria 89%
Mauritania 90%

Australia 44%
Canada 51%
Israel 11%
Japan 58%
United Kingdom 40%
France 46%

Where the heck did you find this quote that our interests are served there?

The Praetorian
08-04-2005, 03:29 PM
I heard we graciously picked up 33% of the total tab, not 25%, however, I could be mistaken...

Freethinker
08-04-2005, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Brooks

Where the heck did you find this quote that our interests are served there?

I don't remember, but its right on the money.

For many many years, the US has used its permanent position on the U.N. Security Council to veto ANY resolution that did not benefit the United States and the interests of US corporations *operating abroad*........(with "operating abroad" simply being a euphemism for --"plundering untapped human and natural resources around the entire planet").

Many of the tiny nations you listed --having no seat on the Security Council-- have very little real power in the UN or over the US............while the US consistently and effectively uses its economic and military dominance to twist arms and bully other nations and make the rest go along on the issues it has an economic stake in, often not caring in the slightest how negatively it might affect other nations or other people in those nations.

When the issues with huge money interests are at stake,and the US leaders say --"Jump!!", the United Nations, collectively, usually asks -------"How high, sir?"

The Praetorian
08-04-2005, 03:56 PM
Fair enough, but as I see it, we created the format and we pay the bills, so therefore, we should get final say-so through it. Don't sit there and for one second pretend that other nations haven't used it to their political and financial advantage as well.

That's akin to leaving daddy the big piece of chicken for dinner. If he pays the bills, then he gets priority. You might like being walked on by the individuals you support, but most people don't.

Freethinker
08-04-2005, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
Fair enough, but as I see it, we created the format and we pay the bills,....If he (Daddy) pays the bills, then he gets priority.

You are now arguing a different point; whether or not the US deserves to *get priority*, as it regards the UN. We can argue that if you like, but it is a different point.

I am glad though that you agree to the point i was making, which was that the U.S. DOES wield tremendous influence in the UN, and does have its interests well served.

If EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY in the following list----

Kuwait
Qatar
Morocco
United Arab Emirates
Jordan
Tunisia
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Algeria
Oman
Sudan
Pakistan
Libya
Egypt
Lebanon
India
Syria
Mauritania

....voted on a resolution, the US could [and HAS] override ALL their votes and veto it.

THAT is a guarantee of having your interests served.

And finally, IF the other nations ever DO get a resolution passed that Israel or the U.S. disagrees with and do not like, they simply IGNORE it.

Brooks
08-04-2005, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker
while the US consistently and effectively uses its economic and military dominance to twist arms and bully other nations and make the rest go along on the issues it has an economic stake in, often not caring in the slightest how negatively it might affect other nations or other people in those nations.

Kind of like "Oil for Food", huh?

One guys money made at least two countries sell their UN votes.

Brooks
08-04-2005, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker

Many of the tiny nations you listed --having no seat on the Security Council-- have very little real power in the UN or over the US............while the US consistently and effectively uses its economic and military dominance to twist arms and bully other nations and make the rest go along on the issues it has an economic stake in, often not caring in the slightest how negatively it might affect other nations or other people in those nations.

These are intangible, unsubstantiated and unprovable platitudes, but the voting records are black and white. The UN in no way supports the United States.

Freethinker
08-05-2005, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Brooks
These are intangible, unsubstantiated and unprovable platitudes....

They are not "platitudes".

They are the facts.

Period.

And you KNOW that that is the case, yet you cling to the ---"Well, you can't really PROVE it!!" -- excuse.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.