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Echo2
08-03-2005, 05:46 PM
The Nation --
Vice President Dick Cheney, who predicted on the eve of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, that Americans would be "greeted as liberators," has in recent weeks been peddling a new line of spin.

If Cheney was not in charge of U.S. foreign policy, he could be dismissed as a ranting lunatic. But, because of his title, and because the former Secretary of Defense is the dominant player in the Bush administration when it comes to military policy, Cheney has to be taken seriously -- as seriously, that is, as his bizarro worldview permits.

Unfortunately, the primary reason to take Cheney seriously is the fact that Americans and Iraqis are dying because of the policies he has promoted. And, of course, because those same policies are emptying the U.S. Treasury into the quagmire that is Iraq.

So it is appropriate to try and hold Cheney accountable.

And it is not difficult to do so.

Here is what Cheney said during a June 20, 2005, interview on CNN's Larry King Live:

Hailing what he described as "major progress" in Iraq, Cheney said, "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."

Here is what the Associated Press reported from Iraq on August 3, 2005, less than two months after Cheney asserted that the insurgency was fading away:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Fourteen U.S. Marines and a civilianinterpreter were killed Wednesday in western Iraq, theU.S. command said.

The Marines, assigned to Regimental Combat Team 2, 2ndMarine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force(Forward), were killed in action early Wednesday whentheir vehicle was hit by an improvised explosivedevice, the military said. One Marine was also woundedin the attack.

The Associated Press report goes on to note that:

The latest losses come on the heels of the deaths ofseven U.S. Marines in combat two days ago in thevolatile Euphrates Valley of western Iraq. TheAmerican deaths come as the Bush administration istalking about handing more security responsibility tothe Iraqis and drawing down forces next year.

At least 39 American service members have been killedin Iraq since July 24 - all but two in combat. Inaddition, the Iraqi Defense Ministry said that sincethe beginning of April, more than 2,700 Iraqis - abouthalf of them civilians - had been killed ininsurgency-related incidents.

It looks as if the last throes that Cheney was discussing with Larry King have turned out to be death throes for the young American men and women who are serving in Iraq, as well as for the Iraqi people.

Any attempt to address Cheney's rhetorical excesses brings to mind the words of a young veteran from another misguided and unnecessary war.

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam?" young John Kerry asked the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

Cheney has come up with a contemporary answer for that question.How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Iraq? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?

For Cheney, that's simple: Just keep telling the young men and women who are marching to their deaths that they will be greeted as liberators and that the enemy is so weak that it is in its "last throes."

In other words, just keep spinning a slurry of fantasy and lies into U.S. policy.

Darth Be'lal
08-05-2005, 06:20 PM
Thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump......

Hear that guys? Once again, echo's tirelessly beating the drum of bad news on Iraq! Now, if we could only channel her energy into finding new sources of energy, or at least a new line of hair care products.

Freethinker
08-05-2005, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Hear that guys? Once again, echo's tirelessly beating the drum of bad news on Iraq!

I do not call pointing out facts and figures "beating the drum of bad news".

I call it --- **speaking the TRUTH of the situation**.

I just wish that the American Public would wake up to the realization that Iraq IS going badly. VERY badly.

AND I wish they'd wake up and realize that it is costing us taxpayers 5 billion dollars a week.

AND that it is a quagmire that is sending thousands of US servicemen to their graves for nothing.

But the rightwing powers-that-be have a very firm control on the flow of info about the Iraq war coming from the mainstream media, so very little of the negativity of the situation is allowed to be presented to the Joe Sixpacks of the US.

Darth Be'lal
08-05-2005, 06:47 PM
Ohhh geeez, freethinker.

The same tired old tripe regurgitated all about the forum board yet again.



I do not call pointing out facts and figures "beating the drum of bad news".

Well, when all you do is find the worst news and post it, I'd call it "beating the drum of bad news." Wouldn't you?


I just wish that the American Public would wake up to the realization that Iraq IS going badly. VERY badly.

Yes, a successful invasion, Saddam overthrown and captured, a new government installed, an open election for Iraqis to choose their new leaders, a constitution being formed on the basis of democracy and a terrorist insurgency whose survival depends on the leadership of a foreign Islamic terrorist plus suicide bomber again imported from throughout the Middle East. Yup, what a quagmire.


AND that it is a quagmire that is sending thousands of US servicemen to their graves for nothing.

Gee, last I heard, we haven't reached two thousand deaths of American servicemen in Iraq.


AND I wish they'd wake up and realize that it is costing us taxpayers 5 billion dollars a week.

5 billion a WEEK? Since when have democrats been worried about spending? Oh, that's right, it's spending that takes away from their social/pork programs. THAT'S when the Dems start counting beans.


But the rightwing powers-that-be have a very firm control on the flow of info about the Iraq war coming from the mainstream media, so very little of the negativity of the situation is allowed to be presented to the Joe Sixpacks of the US.

Which is why shamanechofreedosedop are able to come up such an absolute wealth of bad news every time they start posting. Doesn't sound like whoever is in charge of putting the lid on all the bad news isnt' doing too good of a job.

Freethinker
08-05-2005, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Yup, what a quagmire.

We're in agreement.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
5 billion a WEEK? Since when have democrats been worried about spending? Oh, that's right, it's spending that takes away from their social/pork programs. THAT'S when the Dems start counting beans.

I will never understand how Rightwingers think, or how they sleep at night; continually reminding us how "bad" it is that taxdollars are spent to feed and cloth poor, elderly and disadvantaged people, yet it is somehow "noble" and "patriotic" to spend it waging phony, trumped up wars against other people.

Repeat after me ---------

Helping hungry people eat = good.

Killing people who have never harmed you so as to take control of their oil resources = bad.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Which is why shamanechofreedosedop are able to come up such an absolute wealth of bad news every time they start posting...........

One article about the casualties being suffered in the Iraq war in the past month or so doesn't exactly bring to mind a "wealth" of bad news, at least as it regards Iraq.

It speaks volumes about this "war", Darth, that BushCo disallows photos taken or reporting done on the caskets coming home. If those were shown, it might begin to sink in to people what the real costs of this war are.

Decka
08-06-2005, 12:05 AM
My opinion is you are an idiot if you don't know that war produces death...

i dont think you need to put billboards of coffins up... i think the average person gets it.

Freethinker
08-06-2005, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by Decka
My opinion is you are an idiot if you don't know that war produces death...


The REAL idiot imo would be the person who cannot understand that showing footage of the actual flag-draped coffins would cause the Public to think about the tragedies of war a bit more....and to ponder a bit more deeply the sacrifices they're being asked to make for some phony "war".

Decka
08-06-2005, 10:36 AM
nah, the idiot is the one who lets personal feelings and sympathy get in the way of a sound decision.....

pictures of coffins aren't a big deal to me... i wouldn't mind if they showed em, and wouldnt care if they didn't....

Freethinker
08-06-2005, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by Decka
nah, the idiot is the one who lets personal feelings and sympathy get in the way of a sound decision......

Riiiiight.

A *sound decision* like waging war against Iraq, with the complete clusterfuck THAT whole military MISadventure has become?!?!?!?!

A *sound decision* like spending five BILLION dollars a week to wage war against a country that did not threaten us and that has never attacked us?!?!?!?!

LOL.

What a clueless tool you are.

Evil Homer
08-07-2005, 01:57 AM
I really dont see how Iraq is such a quagmire. There are people fighting for the new government, and people fighting against it. All of it is on a very small scale. It's not like the whole country has erupted into this huge firestorm of violence.

Second, an army is expensive, what can i tell you? And i still dont get this whole "lets wait until we get hit, then go" mentality.

We're over there, that's the bottom line. So let's finish the job and back the country. That way, there is one less psychotic terrorist in control of a country, and we have another friendly nation in the middle east.

Just my 3 cents.

Jester
08-07-2005, 03:28 AM
We have this:
At least 39 American service members have been killedin Iraq since July 24 - all but two in combat. Inaddition, the Iraqi Defense Ministry said that sincethe beginning of April, more than 2,700 Iraqis - abouthalf of them civilians - had been killed ininsurgency-related incidents.

and then we have this:
Yes, a successful invasion, Saddam overthrown and captured, a new government installed, an open election for Iraqis to choose their new leaders, a constitution being formed on the basis of democracy and a terrorist insurgency whose survival depends on the leadership of a foreign Islamic terrorist plus suicide bomber again imported from throughout the Middle East.

And they're both true. When are people going to start looking at the WHOLE picture instead of only what they want to see?

Freethinker
08-07-2005, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by Evil Homer
I really dont see how Iraq is such a quagmire.

Wait until you start paying taxes and see 5 BILLION taxdollars thrown down the drain every week.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
There are people fighting for the new government, and people fighting against it. All of it is on a very small scale.

500 billion dollars wasted and 1800 servicemen dead is NOT "small" scale.

Originally posted by Evil Homer

Second, an army is expensive, what can i tell you? And i still dont get this whole "lets wait until we get hit, then go" mentality.

What is *expnseive* is fighting wars that had NO reason to be fought.

The --"we have to hit them before they hit us" talking point is utter bullshit.

IF the true worry of this nation was to "hit" other nations who pose a threat before they get us, we would be in North Korea fighting instead of a country that has never attacked us nor made any threat of attacking us.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
We're over there, that's the bottom line. So let's finish the job and back the country.

Yeah.....that's like running over a 6 year old on a bike and killing him, and telling his distraught mother --"Welp, what's done is done! No sense crying over spilt milk, eh?!! so just give me your support and back my freedom to drive!"

Decka
08-07-2005, 09:41 AM
yea FT we're just over there to kill innocent people, we dont give a damn about terrorists....

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