This kid has an "anger management" problem.

Lock her up for a good long time before she kills somebody!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/03/girl.charged.ap/index.html

A future gang member or mugger.

It makes one wonder what the parents of kids like this are teaching their children.

I dont exactly think "locking her up for good" is going to fix any psycological problems...she needs help though--that is for sure.

i am so sick of people trying to seperate childrens criminal acts from adults when children are commiting adult crimes. and the parents are always defending them with that she/he's just a child ! yeah, and at what age would they consider the crime punishable ? its bullshit. i think that since the age of violent crimes perps is going down, so should the punishable age ! 11 years old, and kill someone? 11 years old and go to prison....even if its kiddy prison, lock their asses up !

Originally posted by korg
i am so sick of people trying to seperate childrens criminal acts from adults when children are commiting adult crimes. and the parents are always defending them with that she/he's just a child ! yeah, and at what age would they consider the crime punishable ? its bullshit. i think that since the age of violent crimes perps is going down, so should the punishable age ! 11 years old, and kill someone? 11 years old and go to prison....even if its kiddy prison, lock their asses up !

NO!!!! there are many children today wgho are NOT raised by their parents. they are raised by the system. whether it be welfare subsidized childcare that is over roder by population which causes the people there to just keep an eye on them and give them tv and sugar until mom or dad picks them up, or a piss poor public education system (which we opt for because ALL the non public education is RELIGIOUS backed education, no thanx we don't need MORE christianity in our lives or their lives), and the kids have a piss poor home life. all because poor peopl;e have little or no choice for ALL this and hope our kids don't turn into mass murderers or little social fuck ups.

ahh yet another potential cop killer in the making. They'll never learn.

Police responded with three cars while a helicopter hovered overhead, and said they arrested Cuevas for resisting arrest and scratching an officer's arm. Dunno if this is bad reporting or pigs in action but you cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest...that doesn't even make sense.

I'm all for being tough on crime, but she's an 11 year old that threw a freaking rock. I don't think that exactly qualifies her as a future danger to society. 11 year olds do dumb things sometimes.

People might feel differently if that was THEIR kid who was hit by a two pound rock. How'd you like to have this little charmer living in YOUR neighborhood, eh?
You'll be reading about this pint sized thug again soon, believe me.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
I'm all for being tough on crime, but she's an 11 year old that threw a freaking rock. I don't think that exactly qualifies her as a future danger to society. 11 year olds do dumb things sometimes.
Fully concurred.
ahh yet another potential cop killer in the making. They'll never learn.
As much as we disagree, I understand what you're saying here. When they can call in that much "artillery" for an 11 year-old girl, then we have too many fucking cops, period. It's just another prime example of inflated government at the local level.

People might feel differently if that was THEIR kid who was hit by a two pound rock. How'd you like to have this little charmer living in YOUR neighborhood, eh? You'll be reading about this pint sized thug again soon, believe me. Did you read the article? She was the victim first. Granted throwing a rock in retaliation for a water ballon is a little over the top but we have no idea what actually preceeded this.

When she was being harrassed she stopped it herself instead of complaining to someone else to fix it for her. She shows great self defence.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
She shows great self defence.
Then again, so did the dweebs at Columbine. I'm sure they were picked on before they decided to filet the student populous with shotguns and rifles. That being said, I don't think throwing a rock constitutes a Columbine reprisal. Let's face it people, this girl isn't a monster - she's 11. When I was that age, I pissed off a neighborhood chick because I kept calling her fat, and she hit me square in the face with a tennis racquet as hard as she could. I bled like a stuck pig, I got eight stitches in my forehead, and my nose bled for two days. She just recently graduated from University of Michigan with a law degree. Did she overreact? Yes. Is she a fucking criminal? Absolutely not.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
When I was that age, I pissed off a neighborhood chick because I kept calling her fat, and she hit me square in the face with a tennis racquet as hard as she could. I bled like a stuck pig, I got eight stitches in my forehead, and my nose bled for two days. She just recently graduated from University of Michigan with a law degree. Did she overreact? Yes. Is she a fucking criminal? Absolutely not.

The real question here is...did you ever call her fat again? :D

No, I certainly didn't. ;)

Besides, she ended up trim and hot, and now I'm chubby and single. Oh, the pain...

Originally posted by ivan
NO!!!! there are many children today wgho are NOT raised by their parents. they are raised by the system. whether it be welfare subsidized childcare that is over roder by population which causes the people there to just keep an eye on them and give them tv and sugar until mom or dad picks them up, or a piss poor public education system (which we opt for because ALL the non public education is RELIGIOUS backed education, no thanx we don't need MORE christianity in our lives or their lives), and the kids have a piss poor home life. all because poor peopl;e have little or no choice for ALL this and hope our kids don't turn into mass murderers or little social fuck ups. i could tell you stories about my life that would make you re think that ! but i really do understand what you are saying. but will society give anyone a break because of a hard life ? the same rules should apply. if the kid had been rich, would that get a different answer from you ?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
No, I certainly didn't. ;)

Besides, she ended up trim and hot, and now I'm chubby and single. Oh, the pain... i can not picture you being a chubber. you talk like a person too vain to get fat.........no offense. you sound like a fitness freak.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Dunno if this is bad reporting or pigs in action but you cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest

Excuse me?

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Did you read the article? She was the victim first. Granted throwing a rock in retaliation for a water ballon is a little over the top but we have no idea what actually preceeded this.

When she was being harrassed she stopped it herself instead of complaining to someone else to fix it for her. She shows great self defence.

Self defense only applies if the "victim" had no option to retreat (besides the fact that water balloons don't normally constitute a physical injury threat).

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
ahh yet another potential cop killer in the making. They'll never learn.

Do you think, even for a second, this is the kind of crap the police want to spend their time on? Executive branch of government - look it up.

Originally posted by korg
i can not picture you being a chubber. you talk like a person too vain to get fat.........no offense. you sound like a fitness freak.
No, I'm a chubber. 235 Lbs at 6'1''. I have a spare tire; I smoke, and I drink too much - So no way could I be described as a "fitness freak". I'm just a critical asshole, Korg, but you already knew that, didn't you? ;)

Did you ever charge someone with resisting arrest, Brooks?

No, I never have. It's one of those things you don't really do unless the person just about commits assault, even though the law is extremely generous about what constitutes resisting.

"A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person."

Let me start off by saying that I think you're a very bright man, Brooks. On a related note, albeit it diametrically opposed to you, I've come to realize that most cops have a tendency to drag their knuckles when they walk. In all honesty, you had to be smarter than 99% of the officers you worked with. Being that you're clearly capable of doing anything you want, why did you become a police officer?

You heard me brroks. You cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest. Think about it for a second.

The stupid Pigs here tried to do the same thing to my friend. Then they were told you can't do such so they just made up some bullshit charges. The also saw a picture of her injuries at the station and the immediate response was "we might have to charge you with something else." God I hate pigs...

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
The also saw a picture of her injuries at the station and the immediate response was "we might have to charge you with something else." God I hate pigs...
I've got stories that will turn your stomach...

This story reminds me of the 5yo black girl that was arrested and handcuffed in school for disturbing the class. WTH is going on? :confused:

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
You heard me brroks. You cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest. Think about it for a second.

The stupid Pigs here tried to do the same thing to my friend. Then they were told you can't do such so they just made up some bullshit charges. The also saw a picture of her injuries at the station and the immediate response was "we might have to charge you with something else." God I hate pigs...

Here's the Resisting Arrest section from the NYS Penal Law again:
205.30 Resisting arrest.
A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person.
Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor."

Note the last line. Now here's the definition of misdemeanor:

"Misdemeanor" means an offense, other than a "traffic infraction, " for which a sentence to a term of imprisonment in excess of fifteen days may be imposed, but for which a sentence to a term of imprisonment in excess of one year cannot be imposed.



Now if you can think of a way to incarcerate someone for something for which they can't be arrested, you could revolutionize law enforcement.

Just a hunch - maybe your friend isn't the best source for you to continue your Criminal Justice studies.

Originally posted by PrincessinAK
This story reminds me of the 5yo black girl that was arrested and handcuffed in school for disturbing the class. WTH is going on? :confused:

That sounds nothing at all like an urban legend.

Why is it I know more about law then you (not to mention common sense).

Oh thats right because the state relies on unquestioning idiots to carry out thyre violence to keep the population in submission.

You can't put the cart before the mule.

You cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest. There has to be a reason to arrest them in the first place.

A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person.

Guerilla, I've put the definition up twice. Don't ever complain about other people's reading comprehension.

If your friend gets arrested again, and you try to grab the cuffs out of the officer's hand, what will you be charged with (read carefully, read carefully, read carefully, read carefully).

If pigs is so dumb, how cum we cin unnerstan that an yew cayn't. Why, you be's dummer than a unquestionin idiot.


(There's nothing wrong with being wrong sometimes. What isn't very nice is the way you talk to other people when you think they are. Class Act)

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Why is it I know more about law then you (not to mention common sense).

The real question is why you believe that you do.


You cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest. There has to be a reason to arrest them in the first place.

As Brooks already posted, the statute is quite clear, and proves that you don't know as much as you think you do.

As to Brooks' last comment to you, I fully concur, and I'm going to go one step further. I find your reference to policemen as "pigs" to be highly offensive, and inappropriate. Don't do it anymore. Consider this an official warning from a moderator. Any future use of that term in that way will lead to your post being edited or deleted.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
I find your reference to policemen as "pigs" to be highly offensive, and inappropriate. Don't do it anymore. Consider this an official warning from a moderator. Any future use of that term in that way will lead to your post being edited or deleted.
I'm not saying that I disagree with you, but I hate 75% of the cops out there, and amazingly enough, I find that term offensive too, however, why do you want to censor him? What's next - the word shyster for a lawyer??? If he wants to call police pigs, then let him look like an asshole. As far as I'm concerned, you can't pay for advertising like that. Just my two cents.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I'm not saying that I disagree with you, but I hate 75% of the cops out there, and amazingly enough, I find that term offensive too, however, why do you want to censor him? What's next - the word shyster for a lawyer??? If he wants to call police pigs, then let him look like an asshole. As far as I'm concerned, you can't pay for advertising like that. Just my two cents.

I agee with Vile. I have a brother who is a cop. I find the term terribly offensive. But most of all it puts me into a time warp and I start hearing disco music in my head....PLEASE STOP THE INSANITY!

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I'm not saying that I disagree with you, but I hate 75% of the cops out there, and amazingly enough, I find that term offensive too, however, why do you want to censor him?

I don't want to censor anyone. I hate censoring people. However, this is a discussion forum not a barroom. I object to 500's choice of words for the same reason I would object to "faggot" or "nigger". It's nothing more than an offensive slur, and has no place here. 500 is free to post his opinions of policemen all he wants, but that doesn't mean he gets to call them whatever he wants.


If he wants to call police pigs, then let him look like an asshole. As far as I'm concerned, you can't pay for advertising like that. Just my two cents.

He's been doing it for a while...I think he's made his point in the assholish department.

If I were to be called a name by Vile, Drew, Echo, Prae, Darth, Trav and others it might bother me.

But hearing it from legal-expert Guerilla is reminiscent of the four year old next door calling me a doody-head.

Originally posted by Brooks
But hearing it from legal-expert Guerilla is reminiscent of the four year old next door calling me a doody-head.

LOL legal expert....

and don't worry brooks, guerrilla will be the first one to try to say you are the one who won't debate the issues, when he resorts to name calling

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Why is it I know more about law then you (not to mention common sense).

Oh thats right because the state relies on unquestioning idiots to carry out thyre violence to keep the population in submission.

You cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest. There has to be a reason to arrest them in the first place.

Guerilla, your greatest strength, and at the same time weakness, is the conviction that you are absolutely and completely convinced that you are right. Please think about that on other threads and in life in general.

I've already defined this...

Pigs = Cops who break the law. It is a specific term. Unfortunatly, due to the unwillingness of law enforcement and government to clean up their act, it is a common one. I am very specific about when I use the term. I noramally call them cops and when something illegal is done I call them pigs.

I have a friends dad who used to be a cop. He used to get really pissed when people called him and others a pig. Then he saw all the corruption and realizing that he couldn't really do anything about it, quit. Now he calls them pigs.

Jesus some cops even have a sense of humor about it:
http://www.wheresmolly.com/updates/Washington/policebed.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/PIG-Police-BELT-BUCKLE_W0QQitemZ5020484409QQcategoryZ10291QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I guess Borg was wrong in using you as an example then...
http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12327&perpage=15&highlight=faggot&pagenumber=8
posted by conservative man:
Borghunter, when are you gonna learn that it doesnt matter because everything will be done in the name of tolerance and acceptance. Whether the constitution says it or not, if liberals have their way then it will be illegal to.
Posted by BorghunterYou must know different liberals than I, as all I know are in favor of free speech. Look at Vile over there; he's gay and he supports people's rights to call him "faggot" and whatnot.

Echo fits nicely into Conmans stereotype apparently.

Adn it is extremely different. Bieng a faggot or nigger is who you are. Being a pig is what you choose to be. Again I am very selective about when I use it. I think your threat of censorship is ridiculous but hey you can do whatever you want right!

Brooks - The article said the little girl was arrested for resisteing arrest. How is it so hard for you to understand that the cops cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest. You are talking about someone else impedeing or obstructing an arrest it is a different thing.

There has to be a logical order. First you have to have reason to arrest someone then resisting can be added on. You cannot just walk up to someone and arrest them for resisting (not obstructing) arrest.

I dunno how its phrased in the NYS but here its a different charge if you interfere with an arrest.

Guerilla, your greatest strength, and at the same time weakness, is the conviction that you are absolutely and completely convinced that you are right. right back at you...

Posted by Borghunter

quote:Look at Vile over there; he's gay and he supports people's rights to call him "faggot" and whatnot.

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True.......and that's why i find it so strange that he became so upset and so censorious when another poster used the term -- "pigs".

BTW heres a great example of pigs in action. Theyre even dumb enough to do it on camera. Just proves that what is seen is normal operating procedure (for these guys at least).

Man Whose Arrest Was Filmed By 'Cops' Sues Officers For Brutality
http://www.komotv.com/stories/38384.htm

Noticed they charged him with assault and resisting...Why? Because they tased him and the dog bit. It had nothing to do with the mans actions.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
BTW heres a great example of pigs in action. Theyre even dumb enough to do it on camera. Just proves that what is seen is normal operating procedure (for these guys at least).

I just read the story.

The lack of professionalism and the (STUNNING) lack of judgement on the part of the two officers is beyond belief.

Uhhh....wulll, ya see, this guy was laying in a sleeping bag asleep out on the lawn hiding from us.....and, uuhhhh, from his superior position inside the bag he was using deadly force agin us and we thot he wuz a dangerous criminal an we had to tazer him repeatedly and turn the dog loose on him to subdue him!!"

A more obvious instance of police abuse --and police stupidity-- is hard to imagine.

They should be suspended without pay, at the very least.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Dunno if this is bad reporting or pigs in action but you cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest

You heard me brroks. You cannot arrest someone for resisting arrest. Think about it for a second.

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Sorry Guerilla but this is all I had to work with because these are your statements. If you think I was capable of figuring out what you really really meant, I'm flattered.

Another time you told me that a pig is someone who doesn't follow the letter of the law. I pointed out that following the letter of the law would cause me to arrest someone for trespass who broke into a house to save a baby from a fire.

In other words, you're in pretty far over your head on this topic sometimes. This profession requires working in gray areas and using discretion. I think some of the subtlety is lost on you.

As far as I'm concerned, say "pig" all you want. I've always seen that as the invective spewed when there are no legitimate points to make against the poice.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
I've already defined this...

Pigs = Cops who break the law. It is a specific term. Unfortunatly, due to the unwillingness of law enforcement and government to clean up their act, it is a common one. I am very specific about when I use the term. I noramally call them cops and when something illegal is done I call them pigs.

Your excuse carries no weight. If someone used an ethnic slur, I wouldn't really care why they used it, it would still be inappropriate.


I guess Borg was wrong in using you as an example then...
http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12327&perpage=15&highlight=faggot&pagenumber=8


Perhaps so...on the other hand, maybe you just pissed me off. :)


Adn it is extremely different. Bieng a faggot or nigger is who you are. Being a pig is what you choose to be.

This is an even worse excuse than the first one. To suggest that it's ok to call cops "pigs" because they've "chosen" to be such is to suggest it's ok to call a Jew a "kike" or some other religious slur just because they've "chosen" their faith.


Again I am very selective about when I use it.

Please be more selective in the future.

I think your threat of censorship is ridiculous but hey you can do whatever you want right!

Pretty much...:D...at least until Drew thinks I've gone over the line.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
This is an even worse excuse than the first one. To suggest that it's ok to call cops "pigs" because they've "chosen" to be such is to suggest it's ok to call a Jew a "kike" or some other religious slur just because they've "chosen" their faith.
ROTFLOL. Yeah, 500, you fucking anti-Semite. :mad: