Ok...

Do you have things that when you hear or read about, or see somewhere, just drive an incredible internal anger inside of you that you cant explain since you dont know why you hate it so much you just do.

Ive just been getting that alot lately, certain people irking me really badly, and of course christianity which causes me to punch a door almost daily.

I think it may be attention based so im gonna try and con the docter into giving me Ritalin come monday morning when i have an appointment.

Hurrah to hate.

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Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Do you have things that when you hear or read about, or see somewhere, just drive an incredible internal anger inside of you that you cant explain since you dont know why you hate it so much you just do.

Yes, and it's usually on this board, although it happens alot when I'm driving too, since most drivers are complete and utter morons.

One would not believe the complete and total idiots visiting the variouis home repair "boxes" as big time customers - be it Home Depot, Lowes, or any clone - on a regular basis, yet somehow they're doing it.

tech support. oh god what pain

oh yea, and annoying commercial jingles

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Ive just been getting that alot lately, certain people irking me really badly, and of course christianity which causes me to punch a door almost daily. What you need in your life is Jesus. :D

UGH LOKI YOU'RE TELLING ME!!! Some people are just plain FLIPPIN rude. Especially those little WHORES in marching band that think they're better than you but when you do a set they're not even in line correctly!!!!!!!! YEAH I'M TALKING TO YOU !!!!!!! lol...sorry

Originally posted by LionelHutz
although it happens alot when I'm driving too, since most drivers are complete and utter morons.
Oh, no kidding. In fact, gather 'round, kiddies...it's story time!

I'm driving to school one day. Now, let me give you the gist: I have to make a right turn in about a mile, and I'm in the left lane of two. There is a car in front of me, a bus to my right, and a truck behind the bus. Now, the bus normally stops at a stop about a half mile from my right turn, but this time it didn't. So, cool, I'll try to get in front of it. No luck there...the car in front of me was not going fast enough to allow me clearance to get in front of the bus. Again, cool...turn signal goes on, and I drift back to slide between the bus and the truck. Now, one would expect the truck to let me in, right?

WRONG. That fucking truck saw me trying to get in and sped up so I couldn't get in. By this time, my turn is RIGHT THERE, so what ends up happening is me making a wild swing into the right lane when the truck hits the right turn lane, then making an illegal right turn from the right lane (not the right turn lane). By this time, I am literally more pissed than I ever have been in my life, so I speed up alongside that truck, roll down my passenger window, and shoot him the bird along with a hearty "FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!" which very nearly caused me to swerve into the shoulder. Gods, I was pissed. And anger like that is not something I am apt to have.

Originally posted by Jester
What you need in your life is Jesus. :D

Jester, that was brilliant, you live up to your name. l sustained a laugh for a good while

Oh yea, and things to do about this heated rage you feel loki: repressing it is bad and unproductive, when you feel this urge exercise or work (whether business or house duties). It will transfer that energy in a healthy way and calm it down quickly.

Sometimes its good to express these feelings, albeit sometimes its a bad decision because of the repercussions. But yea, if a christian missionary comes to your door to preach to you, tell him off, its your property and you dont want to hear it. If he says something about how you are a lost individual who needs jesus after you tell him off, thats just more reason to continue. Yell! if you feel like it.

Thats my thoughts on the subject. People may be stupid and bothersome sometimes, but be mature and take it in a respectable manner.

Yeh, I used to have a lot of pent-up anger.
Did not know it at the time, but mine was due to a lot of anger toward a family member that beat the hell out of and bullied me when I was too young to do anything about it.
This situation left me very angry. Easily provoked.

Then one day, while driving down the road alone, I started thinking. I was becoming the very person that I hated most in this life.
From that day foreward I was a different person.

I guess I am saying that a person should really try to understand the underlying problem of their anger.
When I did, it made me a much more patient person when considering the seemingly stupid actions of others.

First of all Jester, that damn near killed me when I read it!:D

Borg I had a similar thing happen to me when I was trying to merge onto the expressway a few months ago. It's a very short on ramp and if you do not merge it leads you off again. I was coming home from work, tired looking forward to the weekend and this swine would not move over into the left lane to allow me on. Now I should have slowed down. Normally I would have slowed down... the rational thing would have been to slow down BUT for whatever reason I just lost it. There was a passenger in thier car too and they were both watching me and laughing...

I can't believe I did it, but my "asshole" hat just appeared and I sped up...they sped up... so I forced them into the lane beside them...I just merged as though they weren't there... I scared them and I scared myself so badly I almost had to stop...

That kind of rage gets people killed. So what if they wouldn't let me onto the expressway. I could have taken the next exit and gone back on.

Was a new learning experience for me that's for sure!

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Ok...

Do you have things that when you hear or read about, or see somewhere, just drive an incredible internal anger inside of you that you cant explain since you dont know why you hate it so much you just do.

Ive just been getting that alot lately, certain people irking me really badly, and of course christianity which causes me to punch a door almost daily.

I think it may be attention based so im gonna try and con the docter into giving me Ritalin come monday morning when i have an appointment.

Hurrah to hate.

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Loki I think Dan is right on target with this one. There is something in you that is enraged about something that has happened to you. Now, maybe it is a chemical imbalance and that is all but chances are it is connected somehow to your past.

If you are punching walls you are some kinda pissed off.

If you don't know what is causing it maybe you could get a referral for counselling. Even if you don't want to think about what happened to you, they might be able to give you some good tools for coping and redirecting your anger. Something so at least you feel like you are in control of the anger instead of it being in control of you. That is a scary feeling when it takes over especially when you are in a situation where others could get hurt.

Anyway, keep us updated as to what your doctor thinks and wishing you the best for tomorrow... take care!

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Ok...

Ive just been getting that alot lately, certain people irking me really badly, and of course christianity which causes me to punch a door almost daily.



Punching doors is bad for them. Try a lawyer, that'll feel alot better.

I have this stupid manager at work. She's a nice person, but she is one of those clean freaks...and shes always like Jeremiah would you please go clean this, and clean that. Oh, and please crawl up under these tables and use this greazed lightning to clean the scuff marks, and blah, freaken, blah.

It just never ends. I got to work with her tonight. *sigh*

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I have this stupid manager at work. She's a nice person, but she is one of those clean freaks...

I view that as a major positive at a restaurant.

I learned to let go of the anger and bad feelings inside a long time ago. I told myself, nothing and no one is worth making my blood pressure skyrocket, or to tie my stomach in knots or give me sleepless nights. Nothing is worth that.

But, I do have "negative" thoughts towards the dogs that live behind our house. I love dogs--MOST dogs. But THESE mutts are good for nothing, lazy, stupid, mangy curs. They bark all day and night, nonstop, at nothing. They terrorize little kids and act like they are real bad-boys who could bring down a lion with one blow of their mangy paw. Their owners think it's cute when they get into people's trash and poop all over the neighborhood.

For fun, I'll stare at them and snarl. Or I'll pace back and forth in front of their yard (When their owners aren't around). This drives them insane. These dogs hate my guts! Well, the feeling is mutual.
But they don't anger me or cause me sleepless nights despite their stupid antics.

I'm just going to kill them someday.

Ultimately, it's moronic behavior that pisses me off - especially when it involves someone with no regard for anyone else but themselves. Like when the street flooded and some idiot in a Ram truck decided to detour through my yard instead of turning around and going another way. Or, as Rendova mentioned, someone lets their dog out to crap on someone else's yard because hey, it ain't their yard so who gives a rat's ass?

Originally posted by LionelHutz
I view that as a major positive at a restaurant.


I suppose.

She's a little TOO nitpicky though...ah, but in the longrun, I still like her. She gave me a piece of pie for making her a milk shake tonight :D !

hmmm, pie.

What kind?

Hey Loki how did the appointment go?

My docter bought his PHD in a small backend shop in China... or at least thats my assumption.

I knew things werent boding well as soon as i saw him and rememberd him from 2 years ago when, skinny and with somewhat sunken features, i expressed my concern that i was losing and not gaining weight regardless of diet.

His 30 odd years of experience amounted to an answer of "Well have you tried eating more".

This time whilst i did go in their scripted with the aim of either getting Ritalin or Diazapan he simply Ummed and Ahhhed, his way through me explaining in detail the difficultys in memory retention, insomonia and a grandose inability to stay focused on anything for more than a few moments.

He didnt have a clue, and not only did he not prescribe me anything, he also didnt offer one scrap of advice on what to do. I should probably ask to see a different docter but ive lost my faith in it completely.

Im just burning out with no motivation to care.

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
My docter bought his PHD in a small backend shop in China... or at least thats my assumption.

I knew things werent boding well as soon as i saw him and rememberd him from 2 years ago when, skinny and with somewhat sunken features, i expressed my concern that i was losing and not gaining weight regardless of diet.

His 30 odd years of experience amounted to an answer of "Well have you tried eating more".

This time whilst i did go in their scripted with the aim of either getting Ritalin or Diazapan he simply Ummed and Ahhhed, his way through me explaining in detail the difficultys in memory retention, insomonia and a grandose inability to stay focused on anything for more than a few moments.

He didnt have a clue, and not only did he not prescribe me anything, he also didnt offer one scrap of advice on what to do. I should probably ask to see a different docter but ive lost my faith in it completely.

Im just burning out with no motivation to care.

Well that was less than useless for you. Do you have walk-in clinics there? I have used one on occasion when I was desperate. The line-ups are horrendous but I found much to my surprise that the doctors in walk-ins are for the most part young and very competent.

Would you consider that?

They are really tight about prescribing anything as a general rule, and we dont have walk in clinics in the sense of what i think you mean.

We have Small practices, where you book an appointment a day before and we have hospitals. We also have private healthcare systems like Bupa (which my company pays for) I just havent used it yet. It wouldnt be like an over the counter thing though, since Ritalin is just legalised speed.

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
They are really tight about prescribing anything as a general rule, and we dont have walk in clinics in the sense of what i think you mean.

We have Small practices, where you book an appointment a day before and we have hospitals. We also have private healthcare systems like Bupa (which my company pays for) I just havent used it yet. It wouldnt be like an over the counter thing though, since Ritalin is just legalised speed.

By walk-in clinic I mean a large building where there are a group of volunteer doctors who will cover people who have no general practitioner or like in my case someone who knew exactly what was wrong.I wanted them to test me on the spot (testing is unavailable at my doctor's I would have had to wait till they set up an appointment with a lab)

Loki you have to choose another alternative...

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
My docter bought his PHD in a small backend shop in China... or at least thats my assumption.

Sounds like the OB/GYN my friend had a few years ago.

My good friend went in for her first pelvic exam a few years ago and because I had had one a few months earlier, she asked me to go with her. It's not a comfortable experience the first time, because having some stranger poke around in your vagina doesn't exactly bring joy. Anyway, when he began the exam he started having trouble right off of the bat; my friend's vaginal canal was restricted by a hymen that wouldn't relax and/or break.

We had told him that my friend hadn't been able to use tampons ever and that even attempting to caused her a lot of pain. In the end, the doctor couldn't peform the exam because he couldn't fit the equipment inside her so he could swab. To remedy this problem, the doctor told her to have sex with a guy so that her hymen could forced open and broken. What the hell?

Needless to say, it wasn't very professional of him. Neither was it such a light and laughing matter. My friend ended up getting her hymen surgically cut because there had been some unusual muscle and skin growth.

I hate unsportsman-like behaviors...especially if I am participating in the game/sport. If money/career is involved, I can understand--although I won't forgive it. But sometimes people do those things with no other reason than "I don't like losing to you". What tremendous disrespectfulness and self-deceit!

injustice.

My beef is with people that you think are trustworthy but wind up being anything but. My girlfriend of 8+ months wanted to take a break from me to "experience being alone" since she's always been dating one person or another for years. She claimed to have issues to deal with, and I agreed to give her the space.

2 weeks later she tells me she began dating the cook at her hotel job.

So what happened to the "being alone time", bitch?



I'm not bitter...

Originally posted by ComicsGn
2 weeks later she tells me she began dating the cook at her hotel job.

So what happened to the "being alone time", bitch?



I'm not bitter...
Told you.

I'll admit the "cook at work" is an odd choice, but all in all, women are nothing short of being dishonest, cheap, game playing, opportunists, and that’s a generous assessment. They'll say one thing, but usually mean another. Take, for example, your situation. "I need some alone time" is bitch-speak for "We should break up...

You're a really nice guy, who treats me well, but I want someone else to buy my meals and screw me". They call us liars, but holy shit - they've typically mastered the art by age 15. I mean, seriously, who the fuck are they kidding??? Take it from someone who can smell a lie a mile away...women reek of mendacity.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Told you.

I'll admit the "cook at work" is an odd choice, but all in all, women are nothing short of being dishonest, cheap, game playing, opportunists, and that’s a generous assessment. They'll say one thing, but usually mean another. Take, for example, your situation. "I need some alone time" is bitch-speak for "We should break up...

You're a really nice guy, who treats me well, but I want someone else to buy my meals and screw me". They call us liars, but holy shit - they've typically mastered the art by age 15. I mean, seriously, who the fuck are they kidding??? Take it from someone who can smell a lie a mile away...women reek of mendacity.

Pretty much true...very true

Gosh, guys, aren't you making KINDA a broad assessment?
Sure, comic's girlfriend sounds like a real piece of work. (my advice to him is, forget her. There's plenty of nice girls out there, but ya kinda have to look for them nowadays.)
Does this mean that ALL women are liars?? C'mon, you know that's not true. Play fair here!

Originally posted by rendova
C'mon, you know that's not true. Play fair here!

Rendova... Rendova...

Clearly Prae does not truly believe all woman, every single one of them on the planet is a liar. Its a statement of shock designed to instigate a responce to encourage the continuation of heated dialogue in this forum post.

LOl, loki, all i know is what I READ here...:)

Originally posted by rendova
LOl, loki, all i know is what I READ here...:)

Be interesting you saying that, to see what a child would be like if all he was giving was allforums and nothing else. His entire education and learning came from this...

With all the fighting going on here, the poor kid would probably think the world is a sorry place, which it kinda IS, come to think of it.....

Your generalising.

Parts of the world suck ass, but there are other parts which rule the coop (Japan etc)

I mean they managed to rewrite their history books!! How amazing is that.

I didn't really mean that---sure, lots of it sucks, but then again, there's many things that are unsuckful.
that sounds like it should be on a greeting card, eh?

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Rendova... Rendova...

Clearly Prae does not truly believe all woman, every single one of them on the planet is a liar. Its a statement of shock designed to instigate a responce to encourage the continuation of heated dialogue in this forum post.
Ummm, yeah - what he said. :D

Originally posted by rendova
I didn't really mean that---sure, lots of it sucks, but then again, there's many things that are unsuckful.
that sounds like it should be on a greeting card, eh?

IF you wanted the greeting card to suck, yes.

LOL!
Oh, if only my boss knew what he was REALLY paying me for....
posting meaningless drivel on the internet and actually getting paid for it!
life is good.......

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Told you.

I'll admit the "cook at work" is an odd choice, but all in all, women are nothing short of being dishonest, cheap, game playing, opportunists, and that�s a generous assessment. They'll say one thing, but usually mean another. Take, for example, your situation. "I need some alone time" is bitch-speak for "We should break up...

You're a really nice guy, who treats me well, but I want someone else to buy my meals and screw me". They call us liars, but holy shit - they've typically mastered the art by age 15. I mean, seriously, who the fuck are they kidding??? Take it from someone who can smell a lie a mile away...women reek of mendacity.

You must be gay then.

Believe me, I would just forget about her. But she does have a track record of being honest and beyond an excellent girlfriend, and I really do (here it comes...) love her (almost eloped last Dec in fact)). Not to mention she's incredible in bed. ;)

But my point is that, yes, she fucked up. She lied to me. Considering tho that she has a history which includes a 7 year abusive relationship, I think it's worth cutting her a little slack. We actually did have something special and I'm going to try to get her back when I return to college. If I succeed and she pulls the same old shit again...I will forget her.

I believe in second chances, and there isn't anything wrong with that unless I start giving third chances....then fourth...etc. And keep in mind that I only gave half a story. I wronged her to in some ways by treating her friends poorly (not that they didn't deserve it sometimes).

So to keep this thread going: Do you agree that a second chance for her and I is at least worth exploring?

Comics, you know her better than I. If you feel she is deserving of a second chance, then you should do that.
Some people are deserving of that.
However, and I speak from experience here--for what it's worth, I would also keep my eyes open, and be aware that there are other girls out there who might be more deserving of your feelings. Don't go too fast, don't push things, let HER come to YOU.
You are deserving of good things too.:)

Thanks, excellent advice! Now hopefully she won't be too mad that I called her while drunk last night...

OOPS!
dialing when drunk? Always a bad idea! Before you do this again, RIP the phone cord OUT of the wall!
Ah well, we've all done silly things. Hopefully she'll have no memory of this..........:)

Originally posted by Embyr
You must be gay then.
No, these days, I just hire expensive call girls. I find relationships to be more honest when they're on the level. Hell, after dating the better part of 15 years, I've determined that you pay for sex one way or another. The only difference is - girlfriends accept MasterCard, American Express, or Visa, whereas hookers only take cash. In essence, a girlfriend is equivalent to having a hooker on retainer. Unfortunately, by keeping them around full time, you lose the ability to go out with your friends - you no longer can look at other women - and generally speaking, they seem to prefer that you go through life like a fucking prisoner while they keep your dick in a mason jar under the kitchen sink.

**Oh, I don't know...I think I'll take the hooker, please.**

There's more than a grain of truth in what you say, Praetorian.
Let's face it--lots of women are little better than golddiggers--married, dating, engaged, what have you. Maybe because they're uneducated and can't get a job, or HAVE a job and are just plain users of the first order.
Sad--they give decent girls who work and like to pay their own way, and are grateful for things, a bad name!

My post was meant to be more of a joke than anything, Rendova. I don't think all women are bad; I've just had terrible luck with them. Most have lied, cheated, stolen, or taken advantage of me. I think it's safe to say that I'm bitter, but on the flip side, I'll probably meet a good one some day. I have no doubt they're out there; I just have to keep looking...:(

Maybe you have been too nice?
funny, despite this day and age of liberated women, but most girls are looking for a guy who is the boss--in a nice way of course--but I do think the guy should have the upper hand in lots of things.
I am fully prepared for women to dump on me for this--but admit it, girls--do you REALLY want to be the boss???

I should add that in the best of all possible (fictional) worlds, it is an equal partnership. BUT, guys are just better at some things than girls are--fixing cars, for one thing, and frequently, managing money.
I have seen this with my own eyes......

Originally posted by rendova
girls--do you REALLY want to be the boss???
A woman of Echo's character does, but then again, her idea of a good time entails watching two men bang one another.

Originally posted by rendova
I should add that in the best of all possible (fictional) worlds, it is an equal partnership. BUT, guys are just better at some things than girls are--fixing cars, for one thing, and frequently, managing money.
I have seen this with my own eyes......
I don't know about managing money - I've seen a lot of women do that quite well. I would say, on the whole, men are better at business, dealing with emergencies, spatial orientation, mathematics, direction, and mechanics in general.

Women have us beat, hands-down, in the multi-tasking department; they're usually better spellers, better readers, have a better command of the English language, and can exercise patience. Women are naturally better nurturers, caregivers, and socially, their base is broader. We exist to compliment one another, but to call us equal is shortsighted, politically correct, nonsense.

This is absolutely, 100% true.
Some of the happiest couples I know are people in their 70's and 80's, who became an item when men's and women's roles were more clearly defined. You just didn't see a lot of this other nonsense then--which, in effect, has made men and women enemies, rather than friends and respectful of each other and their different abilities.
Another thing--any person who is either verbally or physically abusive to their partner--a bully-- deserves to have a coffee pot smashed over their head and then told to hit the road. It amazes me, what some people--men and women both, put up with-just so they can have someone to go out with on a Saturday night or to pay their bills.

Fully concurred, and I'd say that we've made the same observations, Rendova. Good post.

All we have to do now is wait for the femi-nazis. Apparently it's too difficult a concept to understand that there are just certain things women do better than men, and vice-versa.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
they seem to prefer that you go through life like a fucking prisoner while they keep your dick in a mason jar under the kitchen sink.
American Beauty :)

Definitive guide to a bad marriage.

American Beauty is my frickin' favorite movie.

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
American Beauty :)

Definitive guide to a bad marriage.
Sometimes you just have to crib lines when you can't express it in words any better than Kevin Spacey did in that scene. :D

Originally posted by The Praetorian
A woman of Echo's character does, but then again, her idea of a good time entails watching two men bang one another.
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In the age of internet personalities, are you 100% sure Echo is a woman?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Sometimes you just have to crib lines when you can't express it in words any better than Kevin Spacey did in that scene. :D

Thats me jerking off in the shower. This! will be the highlight of my, Its all downhill from here.

lol not inspiring me to get married. Ive watched it a unhealthy number of times hehe

The single funniest scene:

[reading Lester's job description letter] "My job consists of basically masking my contempt for the assholes in charge, and, at least once a day, retiring to the men's room so I can jerk off while I fantasize about a life that doesn't so closely resemble Hell."

Brad: Well, you have absolutely no interest in saving yourself.

Lester: Brad, for 14 years I've been a whore for the advertising industry. The only way I could save myself now is if I start firebombing...

Brilliant! :D

Originally posted by ComicsGn
Believe me, I would just forget about her. But she does have a track record of being honest and beyond an excellent girlfriend, and I really do (here it comes...) love her (almost eloped last Dec in fact)). Not to mention she's incredible in bed. ;)

But my point is that, yes, she fucked up. She lied to me. Considering tho that she has a history which includes a 7 year abusive relationship, I think it's worth cutting her a little slack. We actually did have something special and I'm going to try to get her back when I return to college. If I succeed and she pulls the same old shit again...I will forget her.

I believe in second chances, and there isn't anything wrong with that unless I start giving third chances....then fourth...etc. And keep in mind that I only gave half a story. I wronged her to in some ways by treating her friends poorly (not that they didn't deserve it sometimes).

So to keep this thread going: Do you agree that a second chance for her and I is at least worth exploring?

She lied to you...yeah soooooooooooo....what did you want her to say to you? "I want to bang the guy at work so fuck off?" She was merely trying to avoid a scene and hurt feelings on your part. The fact that she lied probably mean she actually cares about how you feel. Cut her some slack...you know her past.

As for giving her a second chance..... sorry bud but that is a bullshit way to say; no matter what she has done I am willing to suck it up in order to get her back... be real man... look at reality or you are gonna really fuck up here with yourself. You give her as many chances as YOU are comfortable with. Not your buds and not Anne Landers but you. That might mean, 2 chances or twenty... at some point you will say screw this I deserve better OR she will "get it" and realize that you are the best thing that has ever happened to her. Period.

You say you love her, make sure you love yourself too.

Also something for you younger people to keep in mind is that YOU teach people how to treat you...

Originally posted by rendova
There's more than a grain of truth in what you say, Praetorian.
Let's face it--lots of women are little better than golddiggers--married, dating, engaged, what have you. Maybe because they're uneducated and can't get a job, or HAVE a job and are just plain users of the first order.
Sad--they give decent girls who work and like to pay their own way, and are grateful for things, a bad name!

Women are not gold-diggers because they are uneducated and can't get a job. The best operators I have seen are highly educated and beautiful with low self esteem. And yes they are definitely users of the first order. However, lucky for the rest of us, they hook men with low self esteem who want trophy women to boost their enormous over-blown egos; men who are really just little insecure men, who want to pretend they are someone. And the beauty of the woman on their arm is meant to reflect that: see me...I am at the top of the heap, look at what I have!

See it all works!

Originally posted by ~Sal~
She lied to you...yeah soooooooooooo....what did you want her to say to you? "I want to bang the guy at work so fuck off?" She was merely trying to avoid a scene and hurt feelings on your part. The fact that she lied probably mean she actually cares about how you feel. Cut her some slack...you know her past.
Oh real straightforward of you, Sal. At least we can safely determine what type girl you are...

Lying is "okay" as long as it's used to avoid a painful situation.

How humane of you...

Originally posted by rendova
Maybe you have been too nice?
funny, despite this day and age of liberated women, but most girls are looking for a guy who is the boss--in a nice way of course--but I do think the guy should have the upper hand in lots of things.
I am fully prepared for women to dump on me for this--but admit it, girls--do you REALLY want to be the boss???

Fuck, we have had this discussion before and you slid out of it by pretending Bubba did his equal share after saying subservience was your duty. Which is it Rendova? You are equal, or Bubba is cave boy king? It can't be both.

BUT if you like subservience and Bubba likes to beat his chest, it can still work and be good for both! But have the balls to tell it like it is!

What is this shit about a guy who is boss "in a nice way"... and most women are looking for a guy who is boss? How many surveys have you done on that.

And what is with the Nazi woman crap? You want to be the "little" woman and put down others who wouldn't put up with that shit for a minute? Yeah okay...!

I don't need to be boss, but NO ONE is going to tell me what to do in a "nice way" or a bossy way. End of story. Equality means pulling your end of the relationship... that's it. If it means I do cars better then that is what I do, if he does, then that is his part.

This crap about making the man the king is fine if that is your thing but don't call the rest of us Nazi's because we think your approach is for ......................... never mind I won't go there because I think you are a good person, but your idea of equality and mine are about 2 decades apart.

Signed,
Nazi woman who can pull her own weight but ain't gonna pull no free-loader need to be king with her!

Goodness, Sal!
don't mince words on me now! (don't think I called anyone a NAZi, did I?)
first, like i said, we BOTH do things--DIFFEReNT things!
Hey, this is our house!
Also, what is wrong with this?
We have been married for 24 years and have 5 kids. this seems to be working for us, and I would say we are happy.
Evey girl I know--every one--cannot be happy with a guy she can lead around by the nose.
It cannot be done.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I don't know about managing money - I've seen a lot of women do that quite well. I would say, on the whole, men are better at business, dealing with emergencies, spatial orientation, mathematics, direction, and mechanics in general.

Women have us beat, hands-down, in the multi-tasking department; they're usually better spellers, better readers, have a better command of the English language, and can exercise patience. Women are naturally better nurturers, caregivers, and socially, their base is broader. We exist to compliment one another, but to call us equal is shortsighted, politically correct, nonsense.

Actually Prae, I think you are a good guy who would make one hell of a partner with the right woman. That "right woman" has got to be able to see through your bullshit and know when to take the reins and when to give them to you. She has to be strong enough and smart enough to play your game and win while making you think you have won... end of story. You will find her when you quit looking for Barbie and pretending you are Ken. You'll make it in the relationship game when you meet someone strong enough to pretend she is weak. :D ;) :p

Originally posted by rendova
Evey girl I know--every one--cannot be happy with a guy she can lead around by the nose.
It cannot be done.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I don't want to be boss. I also don't want to be "led around by the nose." I think relationships should be all about partnership, i.e. two people who love each other working toward common goals. Whenever I get married, it is going to be to someone I work with. I don't want to tell her what to do, and I don't want to be told what to do. I don't want to be breadwinner, and I don't want to clean house all day. Ideally, we would both have good jobs with meshing schedules, and we would both pitch in around the house. Partnership. And when one has problems and can't do something for whatever reason, the other picks up the slack.

Originally posted by rendova
Goodness, Sal!
don't mince words on me now! (don't think I called anyone a NAZi, did I?)
first, like i said, we BOTH do things--DIFFEReNT things!
Hey, this is our house!
Also, what is wrong with this?
We have been married for 24 years and have 5 kids. this seems to be working for us, and I would say we are happy.
Evey girl I know--every one--cannot be happy with a guy she can lead around by the nose.
It cannot be done.

LOL Rendova I never mince words... I say what I believe to be true if it is important to me and for me a partnership (if one chooses to go this route) is the most important thing in the world other than knowing oneself. Actually going over the thread I don't see the word Nazi... sorry... must have just been my Hilter like approach to this particular subject. :D

There is nothing wrong with the way you do things in your own home Rendova if it pleases you and your partner. The part that pisses me off is the generalization that "women must play the subservient and that the role is one which makes partnerships work. I should add that in the best of all possible (fictional) worlds, it is an equal partnership. BUT, guys are just better at some things than girls are--fixing cars, for one thing, and frequently, managing money.

I am well able to manage my OWN money, which I have made myself...I decide how I spend it and I am already semi-retired. I don't like men or women placed into boxes. I see it done to people constantly and it is demoralizing. Women have had to fight long and hard for equality and I am not about to give it away so that some weak ego lacking man feels better about himself.

My partner and I are equal it is not "fictional". He does some thing's better than I and vice-versa. It is not a boy, versus girl game.

Some women like to lead men around by their nose. They then find men who like to be led. And contrary to your belief they may well be very happy. You want freedom to live your life, they want freedom to live theirs.

I personally demand equality which means I can be weak, or strong, brilliant or uncertain, ... in short I can be me, not a cardboard cut out of societies expectations.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Oh real straightforward of you, Sal. At least we can safely determine what type girl you are...

Lying is "okay" as long as it's used to avoid a painful situation.

How humane of you...

Prae.... LMFAO... At least we can safely determine what type girl you are... No Prae, you have admitted that psychology is not your thing and by every post you have made I can well see that. You have no clue what type of WOMAN I am... it was a cheap shot meant to rattle me and for gaaaaaaawd sake Prae you know that line won't do it...:D You know that much about me...

And you know I did not say lying was okay. But he will know exactly what I mean and he will get it. Actually YOU know exactly what I mean.

And the "humane" cheap shot ain't that good either. Now have another beer and try again. :cool:

Originally posted by ~Sal~
Fuck, we have had this discussion before and you slid out of it by pretending Bubba did his equal share after saying subservience was your duty. Which is it Rendova? You are equal, or Bubba is cave boy king? It can't be both.

<<I said nothing of the sort. You will see this by re reading my posts on various threads. >>



BUT if you like subservience and Bubba likes to beat his chest, it can still work and be good for both! But have the balls to tell it like it is!
>>> Subservience? Where did that come from? >>

What is this shit about a guy who is boss "in a nice way"... and most women are looking for a guy who is boss? How many surveys have you done on that.
<<< Again, every girl I know, and I know dozens as I work in education, are looking for the same thing-- a MAN>>>

And what is with the Nazi woman crap? You want to be the "little" woman and put down others who wouldn't put up with that shit for a minute? Yeah okay...!
<<< I have not put down anyone. Don't see where you are getting this from. Incredible.>>

I don't need to be boss, but NO ONE is going to tell me what to do in a "nice way" or a bossy way. End of story. Equality means pulling your end of the relationship... that's it. If it means I do cars better then that is what I do, if he does, then that is his part.

<< Agreed. Yet I have never known a woman who can even change her oil. Big deal. this does not seem to bother them.>>

This crap about making the man the king is fine if that is your thing but don't call the rest of us Nazi's because we think your approach is for ......................... never mind I won't go there because I think you are a good person, but your idea of equality and mine are about 2 decades apart.


<< It's nice to be considered a good person, but heck, I could be Jack the Ripper for all anyone knows. Or Jilll the Ripper, as the case may be. Let's not read TOO much in the stuff people post here.>>
Signed,
Nazi woman who can pull her own weight but ain't gonna pull no free-loader need to be king with her!

Originally posted by ~Sal~
Prae.... LMFAO... No Prae, you have admitted that psychology is not your thing and by every post you have made I can well see that. You have no clue what type of WOMAN I am... it was a cheap shot meant to rattle me and for gaaaaaaawd sake Prae you know that line won't do it...:D You know that much about me...

And you know I did not say lying was okay. But he will know exactly what I mean and he will get it. Actually YOU know exactly what I mean.

And the "humane" cheap shot ain't that good either. Now have another beer and try again. :cool:
I love ya, Sal, and I think you're most likely a good person too, but there aren't too many ways your "She lied to you...yeah soooooooooooo....what did you want her to say to you?" comment can be interpreted.

Was that question supposed to be a joke? Come on, seriously, and in response to it - how about ... oh ... I don't know ... THE TRUTH!!! Spare me the feelings garbage, for if she had cared about his, maybe she wouldn't have led him around by his cock with fake promises of taking "alone time" to "re-evaluate her feelings". It's not nearly as much about feelings as it is respect in general. Is that so much of a fucking stretch, for cryin' out loud????

BTW, good call on the beer thing. It is early, but for you, I think I'll make an exception. ;)

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I love ya, Sal, and I think you're most likely a good person too, but there aren't too many ways your "She lied to you...yeah soooooooooooo....what did you want her to say to you?" comment can be interpreted.

Was that question supposed to be a joke? Come on, seriously, and in response to it - how about ... oh ... I don't know ... THE TRUTH!!! Spare me the feelings garbage, for if she had cared about his, maybe she wouldn't have led him around by his cock with fake promises of taking "alone time" to "re-evaluate her feelings". It's not nearly as much about feelings as it is respect in general. Is that so much of a fucking stretch, for cryin' out loud????

BTW, good call on the beer thing. It is early, but for you, I think I'll make an exception. ;)

Yes it is about respect... it is not okay to lie but she did it for a reason...be it because she was gutless or because she did not want to hurt him. Young people are bad for trying to avoid the hurt thing. In the long run it makes for more hurt and confusion. Us old farts just lay it on the table for the most part and let things be as they are. That makes things soooooooooo much easier and less confusing but many will never be able to do that.

And they are young. He will cut her a break because he says he still loves her. Until he gets over that he may cut her 50 breaks...and lying may be one of the minor ones.

cheers:D on that beer baby... make mine wine!

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
My docter bought his PHD in a small backend shop in China... or at least thats my assumption.

This time whilst i did go in their scripted with the aim of either getting Ritalin or Diazapan he simply Ummed and Ahhhed, his way through me explaining in detail the difficultys in memory retention, insomonia and a grandose inability to stay focused on anything for more than a few moments.

He didnt have a clue, and not only did he not prescribe me anything, he also didnt offer one scrap of advice on what to do. I should probably ask to see a different docter but ive lost my faith in it completely.

Im just burning out with no motivation to care.
If you want a dr to give you an Rx tell him someone else in your family is on it & it works on them(even if it's a lie)-that always worked for me.