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Echo2
07-28-2005, 03:40 PM
I found this interesting....

Walking the walk on family values
By William V. D'Antonio | October 31, 2004

PRESIDENT Bush and Vice President Cheney make reference to "Massachusetts liberals" as if they were referring to people with some kind of disease. I decided it was time to do some research on these people, and here is what I found.

The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1.

But don't take the US government's word for it. Take a look at the findings from the George Barna Research Group. George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states. More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.

The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated that "the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people." The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

How to explain these differences? The following factors provide a partial answer:

More couples in the South enter their first marriage at a younger age.

Average household incomes are lower in the South.

Southern states have a lower percentage of Roman Catholics, "a denomination that does not recognize divorce." Barna's study showed that 21 percent of Catholics had been divorced, compared with 29 percent of Baptists.

Education. Massachusetts has about the highest rate of education in the country, with 85 percent completing high school. For Texas the rate is 76 percent. One third of Massachusetts residents have completed college, compared with 23 percent of Texans, and the other Northeast states are right behind Massachusetts.

The liberals from Massachusetts have long prided themselves on their emphasis on education, and it has paid off: People who stay in school longer get married at a later age, when they are more mature, are more likely to secure a better job, and job income increases with each level of formal education. As a result, Massachusetts also leads in per capita and family income while births by teenagers, as a percent of total births, was 7.4 for Massachusetts and 16.1 for Texas.

The Northeast corridor, with Massachusetts as the hub, does have one of the highest levels of Catholics per state total. And it is also the case that these are among the states most strongly supportive of the Catholic Church's teaching on social justice issues such as minimum and living wages and universal healthcare.

For all the Bible Belt talk about family values, it is the people from Kerry's home state, along with their neighbors in the Northeast corridor, who live these values. Indeed, it is the "blue" states, led led by Massachusetts and Connecticut, that have been willing to invest more money over time to foster the reality of what it means to leave no children behind. And they have been among the nation's leaders in promoting a living wage as their goal in public employment. The money they have invested in their future is known more popularly as taxes; these so-called liberal people see that money is their investment to help insure a compassionate, humane society. Family values are much more likely to be found in the states mistakenly called out-of-the-mainstream liberal. By their behavior you can know them as the true conservatives. They are showing how to conserve family life through the way they live their family values.

William V. D'Antonio is professor emeritus at University of Connecticut and a visiting research professor at Catholic University in Washington, D.C.

Evakian
07-28-2005, 05:35 PM
Excellent points made, very interesting

As you said: the education is lower in the bible belt
Hypocrisy often comes a a product of stupidity

That divorce stat is an eye opener although the education and the rest did not surprise bwhahaa

Good post ^^

td57
07-31-2005, 03:47 PM
Of course, important in the comparing of any divorce statistics is the marriage rate.

500lbguerilla
07-31-2005, 03:57 PM
The marriage rate is completly irrelevent (although it may make for some interesting comparisons and theories).

No one is forced to marry. It is a mutual promise. The point is to show who values the institution of marriage. If people are less likely to get merried and less likely to get divorced then thats great. If people are more likely to get married and less likely to get divorced thats great too.

Heres a bunch of info-
http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

td57
08-01-2005, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
The marriage rate is completly irrelevent (although it may make for some interesting comparisons and theories).

No one is forced to marry. It is a mutual promise. The point is to show who values the institution of marriage. If people are less likely to get merried and less likely to get divorced then thats great. If people are more likely to get married and less likely to get divorced thats great too.

Heres a bunch of info-
http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

Seems to me that getting married is a prerequisite to getting divorced. And since different areas may have a higher percentage of people "living in sin" as opposed to being married, you would expect the divorce rates to be lower in those areas, so the marriage rate is relevant (the people who "walk away" from those live-in arrangements are not counted in the divorce statistics).

500lbguerilla
08-01-2005, 07:20 PM
The point is the act of marriage itself. It doesn't matter whether or not people are "living in sin." People "living in sin" are respecting the institution of marriage by not marrying someone who they aren't willing to commit themselves to (and thereby defile by getting a divorce).

(as wierd as it seems this is a very interesting argument)

td57
08-01-2005, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
The point is the act of marriage itself. It doesn't matter whether or not people are "living in sin." People "living in sin" are respecting the institution of marriage by not marrying someone who they aren't willing to commit themselves to (and thereby defile by getting a divorce).

(as wierd as it seems this is a very interesting argument)

Indeed interesting.

I know unmarried couples who are very committed to each other. I don't think the reson they don't marry has anything to do with respecting the institutions. I suspect it has more to do with an aversion to government interference, and in some cases money. I know one couple who divorced, then continue to live together, and they get two social security checks instead of one!

mad dog
08-02-2005, 09:25 AM
I think things{less divorce} will look better once homosexuals can get married :D :D :D After that I think people should be allowed to marry their pets. Then after that I think people should be allowed to marry their vehicles houses bike etc... :D :D :D

Brooks
08-02-2005, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Echo2
The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1.


This is percentage of total population. Shouldn't it be percentage of married couples for it to be relevant? What if a larger part of one state's population were children?

Echo2
08-02-2005, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Brooks
This is percentage of total population. Shouldn't it be percentage of married couples for it to be relevant? What if a larger part of one state's population were children?

LOL - Are you sugesting Texans breed like rats?

You have a point. The more education a person has the fewer children they have - on a whole. And Massachusetts is a very well educated state so they would have a lower population due to less children. Texas on the other hand.....