The greatest threat faced in America today is the ever growing militant islamiah fascist groups over in the middle east.The global network of islamic terrorists cannot be brought down by the United States not because we lack the means and ability. But like in Vietnam, outside influences are affecting the population and causing America to keep itself from helping itself.

Liberals in this country tear it down, they get into office by promising to give away money to lazy non workers, who vote for them for that reason. Then they go forth and take money from the workers to give to the lazy fools to fufil their promise (the misuse of SS is going to do our country in eventually, the program was made to help Depression-era laid off workers to survive, now it has become the primary means for many retirees). Then when America takes action against those who wish to do it arm they complain, and guess what IT IS THEIR FAULT!

Why do middle eastern countries have money? OIL (all they have besides that is sand and camels), we could drill in alaska, but liberals/eniromentalists won't allow us to interrupt the breeding of the caribou (The caribou flock to the pipes, it keeps them warm so they breed more, so all those ideas go out the window). If we did drilled in alaska much more the middle east would go down and the threats will be somewhat diminished.

But that is highly unlikely that liberals (who also won't let us interrogate terrorists with the methods necessary. but it is perfectly legal by the rules of the Geneva Convention, we could torture them to death if we wanted because they were not uniformed soldiers and not to be treated as such. And last time i checked a man who commits suicide and takes women and children with him to get virgins in heaven for allah would not be human in my view) will let us do that. So our hope is in China

China is a communist nation, althought they are loosening up their economy to become more capitalist, they have liberals to question them or hold them back. If terrorists attacked China (an atheist nation such as China would definitely make the list of infidels) all hell would break loose. They could and would destroy the middle east if threatened by them and by any means they wanted. Would we step in? doubtful, they may be our biggest threat but also in this case our biggest help.

China and Islamiah Fascists going to war would wipe out the middle east and soften up China greatly. Which it is rather obvious that war with China in the future is inevitable. So we can just wait around for our two enemies to kill each other then hop in and wipe out the rest. Perserverence.

Just felt like speaking my mind on the subject. Forgive the typos and lack of detailed explanation, i typed this up quickly and angrily.

Well i suppose feel free to comment or post thoughts pro/con to these ideas (technically this is more of a rambling then a well thought out thesis on world events, so dont get cute with me about that)

Victory belongs to the most perservering- Napoleon Bonaparte

Relax, your facists politicians are in charge for now. Liberals have little if any power at the moment. Ah, but wait till '08. The wake of death and torture and lies and subterfuge from hier bush's regime will turn on itself and we will elect the godess Hillary to bring us back to a democratic society.

I can hear the sphinctors snapping thru the computer screen. lol

Goddess hillary? My poiticians are fascist? lol you poor fool, you lack logic and reason.

i am rolling on the floor at your post HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Obviously you didn't get the satire.I thought for sure the term "godess" would give it away.

Welcome Evakian!

The greatest threat faced in America today is the ever growing militant islamiah fascist groups over in the middle east.That's very possibly the case, but the rest of your post suggests the greatest threat is liberals, not Islamists.

Some Americans are so funny the way they have to be extremist-Republican or extremist-Liberal. This and the politics forums are so often just polar opposites screaming blue murder at one another.

thanks for teh welcome, especially since i am new here

To defend myself against both comments:

I did not pick up on the satire because the lack of hearing the voice( i need to hear the tone, etc. often in humor the way you say things is lost in written remarks) , many people on the far left actually spea to me like that. Sorry about the confusion and insult

I do not claim liberals are the greatest threat, but i mean to say they are the greatest problem in defending ourselves to survive for the future (eonomically, politically, morally, and militarily). Whereas the islamiah fascists are the greatest THREAT (a problem is active, threat is inactive but has the capability of becoming a problem)

Also, i type often furiously and do not spell check or read over my thoughts, leading towards rambling. i got off topic too too long on liberalism. That problematic typing situation also led to this note being unclear on threats. Sorry, i am just kind of new to the whole forum posting thing. I will try and be more clear in the future

one more thing: if you think i am a right wing extremist who screams "blue murder" at those who disagree with me. That is false. Iam unhappy with both polarized sides but often agree with teh conservatives more often because of their ability to use logic and evidence in debates, plus they have a greater sense of morality in their views

Interesting thought.
For some time, I have thought that China is aiding the terrorists or Islamic troublemakers in some way.
No evidence, just a feeling I have.
I trust NO ONE! Especially communists. They are after world domination and always have been.

Originally posted by Blob
Some Americans are so funny the way they have to be extremist-Republican or extremist-Liberal. This and the politics forums are so often just polar opposites screaming blue murder at one another.
It's just due to the fact that our country is so politically torn apart right now that some of the attacks are based on emotion, not logic. You've seen 500lbguerilla in action, and I think that speaks for itself. Echo has a tendency to speak without knowing facts, and FT is the quintessential liberal: a pompous elitist, but at least he’s fun to watch in action.

Oh, and welcome to Allforums, Evakian. :)

Screw the democrats but your post is pretty presumptuous in opposition to the facts.

Liberals in this country tear it down, they get into office by promising to give away money to lazy non workers, who vote for them for that reason. *cough Tax Break + unbalence budget *cough

(who also won't let us interrogate terrorists with the methods necessary. but it is perfectly legal by the rules of the Geneva Convention, Wrong. torture is completly illegal under the Geneva conventions and therfore federal law. Besides being morally repugnant and psychotic at that. It also fucks up the minds of the people forced to do such things.

(eonomically, politically, morally, and militarily)
economically - Bush has utterly destroyed the economy. Just wait till this housing bubble burst and the full impact of the weakened dollar kicks in not to mention wasting $350 billion dollars to create a new generation of terrorists.

politically - Never in recent history have political factions been so strictly drawn and unwilling to even talk to each other. "youre either with us or against us" was so divisive that politcal debate between friedns has even been reduced to stupidity.

Morally - Fine if you thing a BJ is worse than the explotation of death (9-11, Schiavo, etc) and dehumanization of cultures (muslims, gays, etc) be my guest. Of course we can't forget that Clinton murdered people to distract from his lies as well.

Militarily - I dunno what you think supporting the military is but getting our most dedicated soilders killed for lies and profits definatly isn't one of them. Bush has underfunded the VA to a point where 4 out of 5 will be turned away.

i typed this up quickly and angrily.
No Shit...

You fall into one of the pits (and use such) created by the Busheviks. By distorting the meaning of words and turning accepted phrases on their head they have utterly destroyed any sense of real debate. If 2 people can't even ever agree on the facts and language of a situation then there is no way to resolves such things.

Liberal and Conservative: These labels are so childish and freely tossed about that they have almost no meaning anymore.

Your post show an obsession with "evil liberals". You also have an infantile view of politics.

I'm willing to bet you consider yourself a conservative and I 'm willing to bet you support Bush 100% on whatever cackamamy idea floats between his ears. I got news for you. Bush is not a conservative and neither are you. Your a neo-conservative which is synonymous with neo-liberalism.

First of all you need to go get a clue as to how things work in the real world and what real arguments for or against something look like. Then you need to learn to make point instead of leaving a slimy trail of half baked drival all over the boards.

Welcome to all forums.

HAHA bravo, bravo chubbychimp, you are going to my hall of fame of idiots i come in contact with

First i would like to mention that you are not going to win any spelling bee in the near future.
Second, you definitely show here that you missed my messages
Third, I do not like Bush, yet you claim i do without knowing
Fourth, DO NOT DARE preach to me about morals-that causing discomfort to ravenous killers is repugnant and the allowance of homosexuality is not
Fifth, you seem a very lost, illogical person. G'day sir/ma'am
oh and get your facts straight ^^

Originally posted by Evakian
Fourth, DO NOT DARE preach to me about morals-that causing discomfort to ravenous killers is repugnant and the allowance of homosexuality is not
Oh boy, here we go again...

Just another hater. Only posted a few times and managed to insult about two dozen people on this board already. He called me an idiot because he didn't get my satire. And from his few posts - well, it's not like we expect much from him.

Originally posted by Evakian
Why do middle eastern countries have money? OIL (all they have besides that is sand and camels), we could drill in alaska, but liberals/eniromentalists won't allow us to interrupt the breeding of the caribou (The caribou flock to the pipes, it keeps them warm so they breed more, so all those ideas go out the window). If we did drilled in alaska much more the middle east would go down and the threats will be somewhat diminished. How exactly would hurting Middle Eastern countries economically reduce the threat of terrorism? If anything, poverty among the people of those countries would increase terrorism as it would drive more people towards Islamic fundamentalism. It would be much more sensible to help put money into the hands of the people rather than the hands of the corrupt, oppressive governments that keep them poor. Bringing down a country's entire economy isn't going to help anyone.

We get half our oil from South America, about a quarter from Asia and the other quarter from the middle east. Drilling in Alaska and killing off a couple dozen endagered species, poisening the land and air with oil refineries and bringing down the price of land is not going to benefit us. Alaska doesn't have enough oil to make up that quarter % that we would loose from the middle east. do some homework before spewing your rediculous hatred.

Originally posted by Evakian
thanks for teh welcome, especially since i am new here

Iam unhappy with both polarized sides but often agree with teh conservatives more often because of their ability to use logic and evidence in debates, plus they have a greater sense of morality in their views

You haven't met our conservatives...:D

Welcome to allForums Evakian.

Spreading the hatred? Ok Echo you are wrong about oil.
Way more than half of our oil comes from there, not south africa and south america. Alaska has more oil then the middle east.
Destruction of dozens of species, lets see would that happen? no it hasn't happened elsewhere.The price of the land is dirt cheap already. Its as if you are a retarded baboon.
Do some homework before spewing your ridiculous hatred :P

Originally posted by Evakian
Ok Echo you are wrong about oil.
Way more than half of our oil comes from there, not south africa and south america. Actually, Echo is right. About a quarter of our oil imports are from the Middle East. Here are a couple of sources:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/petroleu.html#IntlTrade
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20030919.html

Oh, Boy.

:hitout: :bike:

Originally posted by Evakian
Sorry about the confusion and insultNo offense was taken at all.
I do not claim liberals are the greatest threat, but i mean to say they are the greatest problem in defending ourselves to survive for the future (eonomically, politically, morally, and militarily). Whereas the islamiah fascists are the greatest THREAT (a problem is active, threat is inactive but has the capability of becoming a problem)Yes I see - the liberals are dangerous because they deny real threats, in your opinion.
Sorry, i am just kind of new to the whole forum posting thing. I will try and be more clear in the futureThat's cool - writing angrily and saying "I write this is anger" is absolutely fine.
one more thing: if you think i am a right wing extremist who screams "blue murder" at those who disagree with me. No I don't think that. Sorry it came across that way. I was thinking specifically of threads were posters exchange one-on-one swearing and insults.

I see you have met Guerrilla now, for example...

Originally posted by The Praetorian
It's just due to the fact that our country is so politically torn apart right now that some of the attacks are based on emotion, not logic.Yes it seems political taste comes with a whole package - religious views; economic views; environmental views and so on. Both sides seem to delude themselves to a degree. For example, Republicans commonly deny global warming when scientifically it is unreasonable to do so. Liberals often fail to acknowledge their comfortable American lifestyle comes from America's global dominance that they rail against.

You've seen 500lbguerilla in action, and I think that speaks for itself. Echo has a tendency to speak without knowing facts, and FT is the quintessential liberal: a pompous elitist, but at least he’s fun to watch in action. And you haven't even mentioned Trav...

I think we should drill in Alaska, although the amount of oil there is not that great.

Canada is where all the oil is. Canada has a lot more oil than all the middle east countries combined. Only problem is it is mostly mixed with sand so more expensive to extract. When the cheap oil runs dry - we'll be a drillin north of the border.

Well yes, canada has alot of oil. But Alaska is geographically located next to Canada and we are still mapping out the oil. It is PREDICTED that it will end up have more than the Middle EAst combined. And, if there is oil in Alaska, why go to another country to get oil when it is right below our feet

Originally posted by Evakian
Well yes, canada has alot of oil. But Alaska is geographically located next to Canada and we are still mapping out the oil. It is PREDICTED that it will end up have more than the Middle EAst combined. And, if there is oil in Alaska, why go to another country to get oil when it is right below our feet

Ask the Exxon and Amoco executives about THAT!

i am saying- if there is any oil in alaska we need to drill there for the time being. Islamic extremists who turn to terrorism get much of their funds by the money we send them for their oil. Drilling in our soil (which makes sense, why go to another country if we have it here) just for the time being would help diminish any threat posed by well funded organizations who wish to do us harm
The reason i brought up liberalism in teh original post was to explain why we can't drill in alaska, they are stopping that. which would be a bad choice with the evolving anti american groups wanting to attack us that are funded by oil money or recieve help/aid governments who get money from oil.

Maybe our oil bigwigs are holding some of our undrilled reserves back against future problems. I truly do not know. Who can figure those guys out? One things for sure--they call the shots, not me.

Spreading the hatred? Ok Echo you are wrong about oil. Way more than half of our oil comes from there, not south africa and south america. Alaska has more oil then the middle east. Yet another idiot letting his assuptions rule his opinions rather than fact. And hes even willing to talk shit to other people when he doesn't havea clue WTF hes saying. Great.

Heres a little rule jack ass. If you're going to refute what someone says you better bring the links to back it up. Or better yet how about you at least have a clue about what you're saying.

The reason i brought up liberalism in teh original post was to explain why we can't drill in alaska, they are stopping that. which would be a bad choice with the evolving anti american groups wanting to attack us that are funded by oil money or recieve help/aid governments who get money from oil. Funny...I don't here you calling for pursueing alternative energies as a solution nor regulating gas consupmtion on SUVs. Theres a whole lot of other option that don't involve funding terrorists or killing off species and it would continue to benefit long after any oil reserves would run out... but that would just be too sensible wouldn't it.

BTW - being a grammer nazi does nothing for you argument so unless someone types so horribly you can't even understand what they are saying you'd be best to deal with arguments instead of distracting people from your weak arguements.

I think he probably got the point when Jester, very appropriately, corrected him, 500. No reason to whip a dead horse now, is there? I'm sure he feels badly enough...

meaning no offense towards you Praetorian, i like you, but HA you wish. Chubbychimp here makes me laugh because he is wrong and knows it

Yeah sounds like he really got the message hmmm...

He even went on to claim that Alaska has more Oil than the middle east. Please do provide a link lest you prove to us all that you have no clue what the hell you are talking about.

And please do show where I am wrong...

Trav better watch out,looks like this guys going for his position...

Geez,

Everyone here forgot about me. THE conservative.

A few pointers.

First off, oil can be gotten from Alaska without wiping out "dozens" of species. The oil conglomerants have worked mightlity to find ways of getting the most oil with the least environmental impact. While there is oil in Alaska, let's not forget oil in the Gulf of Mexico (which can't be drilled thanks to the environmentalist wackos) and oil of the coast of California (which can't be drilled because of environmentalist wackos). The only thing liberals support is raising taxes on oil consumption because America "uses too much oil."

I'm not impressed with alternative sources of energy. It's all a crock of garbage. These things are talked up so damn much, then nothing gets done. Solar energy? Would be great if it actually produced energy at anything near market value. Wind energy? One of the absolute darlings of the environmentalist wackos, right up to the part where a wind energy farm is proposed. THEN comes the claim that windmills kill too many birds, then lawsuits then......nothing. Nuclear energy would be great as well, but the anti-nuclear bozos go into high gear anytime a new nuclear power plant is so much as thought of. Plus, there is the Yukka Mountain nuclear waste storage facility which will never get used because of lawsuits and "environmental studies." Hydro-electric power? This one I AM opposed to. Does major damage to migratory fish populations and fish requiring cold water. Have we even upgraded our electrical grid? That was in the news two summers ago. I doubt, the wackos would go nuts about environmental damage if such things were even thought of.


Then there is Bush. I think Bush is a good and honorable person. I think he tells the truth, and I support his War on Terror. I've already posted my thought on that. My criticism is that he has failed to cut government spending. That is the one thing about the Bush Administration that I can't stand.

Dammit.

Interesting seeing as how that (parts of it) was my message. Anyway, this thread is pretty much over. Bad subject material, stupid responses and retorts. Little debate, and name calling.

So head on over to another section! or at least another thread!

Thats right prove your full of shit by avoiding my post when you're called to task for your comments....

I'm not impressed with alternative sources of energy. It's all a crock of garbage. These things are talked up so damn much, then nothing gets done. Because the energy companies who have the means and should be concerned with such things aren't becuse its much more profitable for them to keep people stuck on something they can charge for. Theres also people who invent such things then unwittingly sell it to one fo these companies who then locks it away for good. Point being if even half the research put into oil production and refining was invested in alternative sources of energy it would be usable.

Stupid hippies planning for the future....

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Because the energy companies who have the means and should be concerned with such things aren't becuse its much more profitable for them to keep people stuck on something they can charge for. Theres also people who invent such things then unwittingly sell it to one fo these companies who then locks it away for good. Point being if even half the research put into oil production and refining was invested in alternative sources of energy it would be usable.

Stupid hippies planning for the future....
I hate to admit it, but that's entirely true. Big oil has a H U G E lobby.

its bad for china.china is the best and i lvoe them

If you knew anything about the eneva conventions, you whould know that they don't apply to a terrorists who is not in uniform.




Wrong. torture is completly illegal under the Geneva conventions and therfore federal law. Besides being morally repugnant and psychotic at that. It also fucks up the minds of the people forced to do such things.

It's already been discussed, Sisko, and...
its bad for china.china is the best and i lvoe them
For the love of God, I wonder how this kid got an Internet connection.

Sorry man, I'm kindof new here.

I didn't mean to come across like a dick, Sisko - sorry if I did, and if you search through the threads in politics, look for prisoner abuse, and you'll see it was discussed there.

Btw, welcome to Allforums. :)