I'll have to post the link so everyone here can get the full story and decide for themselves how they wish to interpret it.

As you all know, British police chased down a suspected suicide bomber by the name of Jean Charles de Menezes and shot him several times in the head. The REASON that the British police took such drastic action was some four bombs went off in the subways and on a bus killing 56 people and wounding 700 PLUS a second bombing attempt that failed when only the detanators went off. The police were not taking any chances. The PROBLEM is that this Menezes suspect was innocent.

OK, now under normal circumstances, my opinion would be that police shouldn't be throwing suspects on the ground and shooting them several times in the head. But these aren't normal circumstances. Britain is under siege by terrorists who have proven that they can strike anywhere at any given time. The British can't afford to let its capitol, London, to fall under a state of fear so intense that day to say life shuts down and the British police can't afford to take chances if there's some guy running around with several pounds of high explosives on his back. Needless to say, the British police are under a lot of pressure to insure public safetly.

I say this because the Muslim community, and a few British politicians, have started whining about trigger happy police officers and just how unfair it was that an innocent man got himself killed. I'd lend this sop song more credence if the Muslim community would've out and out denounced the 7/7 bombings of London. They haven't. Plus there is the fact that the police told this guy to stop, and he decided to run. Not a wise thing for anyone to do after a major terrorist strike.

I support the police officer who shot the man dead. While people can Monday morning quarterback this incident to death, that police officer had no good decisions. He was thinking of protecting his fellow countrymen and acted as he saw fit. This has to be kept in mind.

The word has to be gotten out that, while this incident in which Mr Menezes was wrongly suspected of being a terrorist and executed was a regretable thing to do, when the police ask someone to stop, you'd better stop, hold out your hands and spread your fingers wide and let the police have a look at you. This isn't the time for any police department to be playing nice. Nor is it the time to fault a police officer who had just a fraction of a second to decide how to act.

Dammit.



British Terror Police Face Shooting Backlash (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/1fa4fec8-fc79-11d9-8386-00000e2511c8.html)

I agree with you 100%

It is certainly an absolute tragedy that this guy got shot, but the only lesson in it is - don't run from the Police.

Of course he wasn't shot only because he ran, he was shot because he ran, left a house under surveillance, headed to the train station and was wearing a padded coat in July. All of these things would lead any reasonable person to conclude there was a high probability he was a suicide bomber given the circumstances.

If he had not ran then he would be alive today. People under stress often do the opposite of what you would expect, it's unclear why he ran. It's just like people in fires run the opposite way to the exit - human behavior under stress is often not logical.

Very sad, but I do not believe the police in the UK should change anything. If the same thing happens tommorrow - they should still put 5 bullets in the next guys head.

I saw an interview with the victim's brother, who was outraged.
However, the man spoke English, and also said that his brother (the victim) spoke English, albeit broken English.
Surely the man knew what "Stop" means?
A sad situation all around but I cannot blame the bobby for reacting the way he did.

The word has to be gotten out that, while this incident in which Mr Menezes was wrongly suspected of being a terrorist and executed was a regretable thing to do, when the police ask someone to stop, you'd better stop, hold out your hands and spread your fingers wide and let the police have a look at you. This isn't the time for any police department to be playing nice. Nor is it the time to fault a police officer who had just a fraction of a second to decide how to act.

Yeah and the US hasn't been abducting people from around the globe and torturing them (either at Gitmo or by proxy) with no evidence or anything against them.

This guy was allowed to get on a bus. If they suspect he was gonna blow people up they sure would have botched that one. Instead they chase him down later and shot him when hes already immobilized. These pigs are cowards and should be prsecuted to the fullest extent.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
This guy was allowed to get on a bus. If they suspect he was gonna blow people up they sure would have botched that one. Instead they chase him down later and shot him when hes already immobilized. These pigs are cowards and should be prsecuted to the fullest extent.

You know 500, you'd have been a lot better off leaving out that last sentence. Whereas your previous outrage about the shooting of this man might be excusable as the justifiable concern of a citizen over the use of force by the police on an unarmed man, the last sentence clearly turns the whole damn post into a worthless statement. When you question the courage of a man who is willing to tackle a person suspected of carrying a live bomb, you almost eagerly dispose of any credibility you might have with any of your other statements...too bad too, you have some valid questions it seems.

I debated it but pigs are cops who break the law. That is what occured.

I certainly share your lack of love for police, 500, but don't you think you're being a little hasty here considering the circumstances surrounding that situation?

I don't think the officer acted inappropriately at all.

on't you think you're being a little hasty Sorry but I happen to think he was a little hasty in pulling the trigger. My haste doesn't leave anyone dead.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
My haste doesn't leave anyone dead.
It very well could have if you were the commanding officer, and you allowed him to board that train lined with explosives. I'm sorry, but when you shake the magic fucking 8-ball here, all signs point "yes". This dude wasn't a victim - he made himself one. Oh, and spare me the Gitmo bullshit, will ya?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
It very well could have if you were the commanding officer, and you allowed him to board that train lined with explosives. I'm sorry, but when you shake the magic fucking 8-ball here, all signs point "yes". This dude wasn't a victim - he made himself one. Oh, and spare me the Gitmo bullshit, will ya?

I have to agree with you prae. Anyone with half a brain knows better than to run from cops. Especially in a train station that has just been bombed a couple of times by terrorists.

You guys are forgetting he was allowed to board a bus first.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
You guys are forgetting he was allowed to board a bus first.
I agree - they should have shot him as soon as he left his home.

he deserves that death cus he kept on running instead of waiting to know what the problem was.the police did the right thing,don't blame them.

i think cops scared him, so he started running and then he got kill...........lol.
thats funny. :hitout: ;)

Originally posted by sle143
i think cops scared him, so he started running and then he got kill...........lol.
thats funny. :hitout: ;)

No, there is nothing funny about this at ALL, and I'm sorry you think that.

stupid Prea. Point being if he wanted to blow up mass transit he could have already done it. The police prevented nothing in murdering him.

Where'd all these half wit newbies come from?

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
stupid Prea. Point being if he wanted to blow up mass transit he could have already done it. The police prevented nothing in murdering him.
Fair enough. The truth is, I don't know why they didn't stop him earlier, but I'm guessing they had their reasons, and neither you nor I can speculate as to what they were with any degree of accuracy, whatsoever. You weren't there, and neither was I. Your question seems good, and being that his boarding the bus is public knowledge, I'm sure others will ask it too.
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Where'd all these half wit newbies come from?
One is from Africa, and the other is from India.

Just noticed 3 of them at once with not very promising 1st posts.

Well, one is an ultra-horny, 17 year-old Indian whose occupation is "girlz", and the other one is a 15 year-old Nigerian. I guess all I'm saying is that you can't get blood out of a turnip...

hi i am 17 years old indian my occupation is girlz what abt me? :matrix:

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
I debated it but pigs are cops who break the law. That is what occured.

I presume that means you think we need not bother with the formality of a trial since you've pronounced the policemen guilty of murder already. When do you pass sentence?

Originally posted by sle143
hi i am 17 years old indian my occupation is girlz what abt me? :matrix:

Hello...welcome to allForums sle...please post about anything you like, but do try to post in the appropriate forum for your comments. If you wish to chat, a little is ok in any forum, but I recommend Chat Central for that sort of thing...look around, and again, welcome to allForums :)

THANX;)

A couple of things,

First off, I don't know why a man suspected of being a suicide bomber was allowed to board a board. Hell, I don't even know if that guy DID board a bus. From what I've heard, his visa was expired and if caught, he might have faced deportation. Which is probably why he ran away when police ordered him to stop.

NOW, whether or not this guy got onto a bus to get to the train station is irrelevent. At some point in time, the police decided to see what this man was up to, the suspicious looking man decided to try running. Which, given the fear the general public has of suicide bombers, and the fact that the cop really didn't have any good decisions to make (let him go and people might wind up dead, shoot him and he might be innocent) what it boils down to is that the policeman did the best he could in very bad circumstances.

I'm trying to say that the policeman isn't at fault. When fear grips people, terrible accidents are going to happen. This was one of them.

Obviously mistakes were made. The biggest one being five bullets entering his brain. The mistake of him being allowed to get on a bus or not is somewhat irrelevant.

The reality is - humans (who also don't want to get blown up) are doing the work of protecting the public. They do their best, they make mistakes and that is life.

The absence of perfection does not indicate a conspiracy.

no.in nigeria here cops don't make us afraid.cus we have our right.to do anything

Police officers stand outside at a house in Birmingham, England, Wednesday July 27, 2005, after it was raided and three people were arrested. Detectives investigating the failed bomb attacks in London on July 21, also made an arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000, at another address in the city. (AP Photo/Barry Batchelor-pa)

Originally posted by usman_isaac
Police officers stand outside at a house in Birmingham, England, Wednesday July 27, 2005, after it was raided and three people were arrested. Detectives investigating the failed bomb attacks in London on July 21, also made an arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000, at another address in the city. (AP Photo/Barry Batchelor-pa)

Whats your point.

I presume that means you think we need not bother with the formality of a trial since you've pronounced the policemen guilty of murder already. When do you pass sentence? When did they pass sentence?...

I DON'T KNOW!