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Jester
07-18-2005, 01:21 AM
You be the judge.


Tuskless Elephants Evolving In China Due To Poaching
Sun Jul 17, 3:59 AM ET


A recent study has predicted that more male Asian elephants in China will be born without tusks because poaching of tusked elephants is reducing the gene pool, the China Daily reported Sunday.

The study, conducted in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture in southwest China's Yunnan province, where two-thirds of China's Asian elephants live, found that the tuskless phenomenon is spreading, the report said.

The tusk-free gene, which is found in between two and five percent of male Asian elephants, has increased to between five percent and 10 percent in elephants in China, according to Zhang Li, an associate professor of zoology at Beijing Normal University.

"This decrease in the number of elephants born with tusks shows the poaching pressure for ivory on the animal," said Zhang, whose research team has been studying elephants since 1999 at a reserve in Xishuangbanna.

Only male elephants have tusks, which are said to be a symbol of masculinity and a weapon to fight for territory. However, due to poaching for ivory, the elephants' pride has become a death sentence, the report said.

"The larger tusks the male elephant has, the more likely it will be shot by poachers," said Zhang. "Therefore, the ones without tusks survive, preserving the tuskless gene in the species."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050717/sc_afp/chinaanimalselephant_050717075953

mad dog
07-18-2005, 06:17 AM
It's amazing what humans will do to make a buck :(

rendova
07-18-2005, 11:54 AM
Seems like a strong argument to me.
Wonderif it really matters,tho, how they evolve. I read several years ago that the Asian elephant, along with the Siberian tiger,will be extinct in the wild in 100 years.

Travh20
07-18-2005, 12:12 PM
it seems more of an adaptation then evolution

Lokideviluk
07-18-2005, 01:08 PM
Evolution - A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form

Adaption - To make suitable to or fit for a specific use or situation.

Travh20
07-18-2005, 02:22 PM
I dont think enough time has passed to say the elephants have evolved no tusks.

500lbguerilla
07-18-2005, 03:44 PM
Adaptation is merely an evolutionary step. If it is a successful one then a new species emerges.

This is "natural" selection which is the process which drives evolution. If killers continue to decimate elephants with tusks then only those without tusks will be the ones reproducing which will lead to a divergent species given enough time.

No not enough time for actual evolution. Yes direct evidence of evolutionary trends. The same can be said about crops with much more obvious results. The only difference is these elephants aren't captive so people put more merit in it (even though the sudden change is caused by human hands)

Evolution is 99% proven fact. Unfortunatly the same if idiots who denounce evolution expect thier kids to resemble them and fail to connect the dots.

Travh20
07-18-2005, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla


Evolution is 99% proven fact. Unfortunatly the same if idiots who denounce evolution expect thier kids to resemble them and fail to connect the dots.

give it a rest jerk

500lbguerilla
07-18-2005, 04:15 PM
That wasn't intended for you but...Do you not believe in evolution? If not why?

Blibblob
07-18-2005, 04:20 PM
No not enough time for actual evolution. Yes direct evidence of evolutionary trends. The same can be said about crops with much more obvious results. The only difference is these elephants aren't captive so people put more merit in it (even though the sudden change is caused by human hands)
Humans are natural. We're either natural or... uh... of divine creation? Whatever humans do is still a part of nature, I don't remember nature ever deciding that Humans are foriegn beings...

Travh20
07-18-2005, 04:28 PM
thats a good point bliblob, and something I have always said. we are part of nature, like it or not.

Blob
07-19-2005, 10:52 AM
Unfortunatly the same if idiots who denounce evolution expect thier kids to resemble them and fail to connect the dots.
he he

In their irreducibly complex eyes it is no doubt more evidence that a creator carefully designs every human to resemble its parents... :rolleyes:

Travh20
07-19-2005, 01:08 PM
i shtere something in Dawrwins law that says if you believe evolution you have to be an A hole?

Blob
07-19-2005, 01:17 PM
Trav...

http://www.shmankyworld.com/remote/infidelguy.com/stfu.gif

Echo2
07-19-2005, 01:25 PM
Read his lips. He is plagiarizing trav. LOL
STFU.

Tapeworm
07-19-2005, 02:21 PM
Blob...that is priceless!!:smile2:

Travh20
07-20-2005, 10:36 AM
wow, a fat guy mouthing something, you got me there :rolleyes:

Blob
07-20-2005, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Travh20
wow, a fat guy mouthing something, you got me there :rolleyes: The following two sentences are encrypted so that only clever evolutionists can understand them:

taste doesn't the Trav medicine. of like own his

hypocrite. a What

Travh20
07-20-2005, 11:21 AM
http://www.rotzkotzen.com/webseite/funstuff/bilder/sonstiges/STFU.jpg

Blob
07-20-2005, 12:13 PM
:D

500lbguerilla
07-20-2005, 03:50 PM
I should follow Travs lead and start posting big pictures of wanna-be nazis telling people what to do...