Hello all,
I have been interested in Cryptozoology for years and was wondering what other people thought of it.

I am actually planning on writing an intense study on a few specimens.(Dragons, Big Foot, etc) I was also wondering if anyone could recommend any good sites or books.

I'd like to be more specific though.

DEBATE! hehe :lolhit:

Do you believe that Dragons existed at one point in history? Do they still exist?

Do you believe that Dragons existed at one point in history? If you mean dinosaurs, then yes, but if you mean fire-breathing, flying around, then no, there is no fossil record for such a creature.................

Do they still exist? NOpe.

I am interested however, in cryptozoology, there are several other creatures that would be more viable than dragons.....

If you mean dinosaurs, then yes, but if you mean fire-breathing, flying around, then no, there is no fossil record for such a creature.................

Actually I've done quite a bit of research on the subject and it is totally possible that dragons could have existed. I've looked at old documents and gone to college libraries and read old books written on zoology. Dragons have been refferenced in every cluture, which would seem to make them plausable.
Although you are right about the lack of fossil records.

ACTUALLY! I just thought of something to explain that! Damn I've already packed all my books...shoot. (I'm moving in 2 weeks)
I'll try to research it.

On a different note, what do you think of the chupacabra?
(it seems like publicity stunt to cover something else to me)

Originally posted by MotherKali

On a different note, what do you think of the chupacabra?
(it seems like publicity stunt to cover something else to me)

What would one of those be?

here:
http://www.elchupacabra.com/whatis.html

Here is a pic(if it works)
http://www.oftm.com/goatsukr.gif

Dragons have been refferenced in every cluture, which would seem to make them plausable.

There could be many good reasons for this.

Fossils of things that DID exist.

Imagine you are living in the middle ages, and come across a huge fossil T-rex face.......fill in the blanks, you have a dragon. Plus there are many dragon-ish type creatures on earth right now. Crocodilians, komodos, huge lizards....(think about this, if you get bitten by a komodo, you will burn with infection, and likely be dead from gangrene.....that makes for a terrifying way to go......) add hundreds of years of embellishment, and word of mouth, and some creative artists renditions, there you have dragons......

As for chupacabra, I don't know as much about that one.....

I'm more interested in the sea life ones. Ogopogo, giant squid, etc....

The sea holds so many mysteries....

True, true. But I still believe there are (ar at least were) dragons.

Then what about the Krakon?(squid)

And I've never heard of "Ogopogo" I assume it is some kind of sea serpent.

Then what about the Krakon?(squid)
Scientists are pretty sure that Giant Squid can get that big...

And I've never heard of "Ogopogo" I assume it is some kind of sea serpent.
From when Canada stole Nessie. Nessie however, is one that if any of those stories exist, it's definately her.

Bigfoot was a hoax, the Yeti is still questionable, still betting on Nessie... Cree, the sea is not the only place that holds largish creatures science has never met before. For example, a number of years back I remember there was a deer like creature discovered in Asia that had four nostrils, and it appeared to be a seperate species. I can't find any sources for that, but I distinctly remember seeing a picture of it... The chupacabra is one that I am pretty damn certain is a hoax, it's from a small island and there have only been stories about it for a rather short time.

I totally believe in Nessie.(and not just b/c shes from scotland, the place that birthed Ewan McGregor)

And my take on the chupa, is thats its a hoax to cover up ancient cult activity.

Originally posted by MotherKali
I totally believe in Nessie.(and not just b/c shes from scotland, the place that birthed Ewan McGregor)

And my take on the chupa, is thats its a hoax to cover up ancient cult activity.
There is no evidence for a goddamned Loch Ness Monster.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3096839.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness_Monster

what the hell are you talking about? thers TONS!

Originally posted by MotherKali
what the hell are you talking about? thers TONS!
Read my links, then get back to me.

what links....

Originally posted by MotherKali
what links....
THE LINKS THAT I JUST...::sigh::...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3096839.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness_Monster

just becuase there were some hoaxes doesn't mean there isn't a real one.
http://www.bellcold.com/SweetShots/loch-ness.jpg

Originally posted by Blibblob
Then what about the Krakon?(squid)
Scientists are pretty sure that Giant Squid can get that big...

The giant squid is real they have dead ones that washed up on shore, they also have many cases of sperm whales{i think this is the correct whale} with scares that could only be caused by a rather huge squid.


Bigfoot was a hoax, the Yeti is still questionable, still betting on Nessie...

wouldn't big foot and yeti be one in the same?

Cree, the sea is not the only place that holds largish creatures science has never met before. For example, a number of years back I remember there was a deer like creature discovered in Asia that had four nostrils, and it appeared to be a seperate species. I can't find any sources for that, but I distinctly remember seeing a picture of it...

I remeber this deer a doe a female deer{sound of music sorry:)}It was gills and they figured they are used for senting. they also found a new type of whale it looked much like another type so it went unnoticed for many years.

Originally posted by MotherKali
On a different note, what do you think of the chupacabra?
(it seems like publicity stunt to cover something else to me)

Is this the critter that is in NJ?

I think its been seen there, but I put a link in a post towards the beginning about it.

I bet that about half of weird dead things found(crazy new species of animals that are studied in cryptozoology) were mutilated by the government....:alien: ....I've been many long hours researching things like that.....many hours....

Originally posted by MotherKali
just becuase there were some hoaxes doesn't mean there isn't a real one.
http://www.bellcold.com/SweetShots/loch-ness.jpg
Hmm...looks kinda like a turtle. Possibly a stick. And possibly a Photoshop.

you just have no hope....party pooper....you have to go and screw everything up....screw, haha....heh

I totally believe in Nessie.
I don't believe in Nessie, it's just that out of all of those bizarre creature sightings, Nessie is the only one that has a rather consistant, and very long, list of supposed sightings. No claim of existance, just if we find out that one of those creatures actually exists, my bet is that it'll be Nessie.

And my take on the chupa, is thats its a hoax to cover up ancient cult activity.
That's kooky...


wouldn't big foot and yeti be one in the same?
Big Foot was from Midwestern US that had sightings no farther than 50 years ago. That's because it was a hoax by a guy who died recently, his family explained it after he died. The Yeti, however, is supposed to live in the moutains of Nepal, and has had countless supposed sightings for millenia.

Is this the critter that is in NJ?
No the Chupacabra is from the Carribean, I think Puerto Rico, I'm not sure about the exact spot, but it eats goats and there have been supposed sightings since, I believe, the 80s. The one from NJ is the New Jersey Devil, which is supposed to resemble a human just with hooves and horns... the 19th and 18th century rendition of the devil. I think that story has been around since not very long after this county was founded.


I bet that about half of weird dead things found(crazy new species of animals that are studied in cryptozoology) were mutilated by the government.... ....I've been many long hours researching things like that.....many hours....
Or, like the outrageously famous Mermaid, created by some guy(in that case some Japanese people who sold it to PT Barnum) trying to make money off of gullible Americans.

No the Chupacabra is from the Carribean, I think Puerto Rico, I'm not sure about the exact spot, but it eats goats and there have been supposed sightings since, I believe, the 80s. The one from NJ is the New Jersey Devil, which is supposed to resemble a human just with hooves and horns... the 19th and 18th century rendition of the devil. I think that story has been around since not very long after this county was founded.
Oh, I didn't even realize what he was saying. Yea, I don't believe in the NJ Devil, b/c I don't believe there is a devil.
And the Chupa originated in Puerto Rica, but the sightings have spread to Mexico, and the bottom edge of Texas. There was also a sighting in Florida.
I don't think there is a bigfoot, but theres probably a Yeti. Eastern culture is really interesting. The Yeti ties in with all that cool stuff.

That's kooky...
I am Kooky, but I think its true. Ancient cults that scarifice animals and ppl, but what to cover it up.

From when Canada stole Nessie. Nessie however, is one that if any of those stories exist, it's definately her.

*sigh*

Canada's most famous water monster is Ogopogo of Lake Okanagan in the south central interior of British Columbia. Although Indian legends support a monster living in Okanagan Lake long before white men arrived in this country, Ogopogo is very much a present day phenomenon. Each year, sightings are reported of a creature some 20 to 50 feet long, with a horse shaped head and an undulating serpent like body! Okanagan Lake is about 80 miles long extending from Vernon at the north end to Penticton in the south with the fast growing city of Kelowna in the center. Sightings have been reported throughout the length of the lake but the monster appears to favour an area just south of Kelowna in waters near Peachland

Indian folklore specifically places the lair of the lake monster which they called N'ha-a-itk, or lake demon, at a cave under Squally Point near Rattlesnake Island which is offshore from Peachland. The Indians would never paddle a canoe near this area without an offering because too often a storm would spring up and N'ha-a-itk would rise out of the waters to claim another life!

OGOPOGO (http://www.tourcanada.com/ogopogo.htm)

The best-known Canadian lake Monster, Ogopogo, actually made its media debut long before the Loch Ness Monster. In 1926, seven years before Nessie's came to the public's attention, Roy W. Brown, editor of the Vancouver Sun, wrote, " Too many reputable people have seen [the monster] to ignore the seriousness of actual facts."

The early inhabitants of the area saw the monster as a malevolent entity. Indians claimed that Monster Island's rocky beaches were sometimes covered with the parts of animals that they had attacked and ravaged. When crossing the lake during bad weather, the Indians always carried a small animal that they would toss overboard in the middle of the lake to appease the monster, according to material in the files of the Kelowna Archives.

OGOPOGO vs NESSIE (http://www.strangemag.com/ogopogo.html)

The second link is interesting, it compares the two. The lakes are at the same lattitude, they are both long and narrow, and deep.

I find it more interesting that parallel stories exist, without being influenced by each other.

*strokes nose* interesting...

Scotland still kicks ass though!!!!

Cryptozoology is, I really can't call it BIOLOGY, but it's research done to uncover as yet unkown species of animals. The Cryptozoologists DO focus on animals of legend such as bigfoot and the chupacabra, but they also research more mundane sighting such as that new species of deer found years ago living in South East Asia.

Dragons, while they do seem to crop up in literature and folklore, their description is far from universal. The Chinese describe dragons as large, long snakelike animals with feet, claws and a lion type mane, while Western descriptions have them looking more like flying T. Rexs than anything snakelike.

The Loch Ness monster thing is improbable. We are describing an air breathing animal, it would have to surface on a regular basis, then it has to breed and there has to be enough of them to keep a population going. If it was cold blooded like a crocodile, it would have to haul itself out on land to get warm, if it was warm blooded it would have to be very active to fuel its metabolism, surfacing often and feeding. In either case, it would be seen on a regular basis. Oh, that pic looks like an otter to me, not a monster.


The chupacabra thing is absolutely ridiculous. Look at the pic. This creature has NO bite, also, being bipedal the way it is, it would be slow. It lacks the long legs of a turkey (which can outrun a dog) or ostrich. I've seen pictures of so called chupacabra attacks. They look like something a large cat would do. I'm guessing along the lines of either mountain lions or jaguars loose in Puerto Rico than this thing.


The Yeti thing. Maybe, maybe not. There was an aricle I read while I was in the second grade that stated a glider pilot got a pic of a family of these things on the slopes of Mount Everest. Upon examination of the photos, it was indeed part of Mt Everest and it was too high for a casual hoax type photograph. So there may be something out there.

Where's Dop when you need him?

Where's Dop when you need him?

Yah, didn't he start to write a book about his experiences in Asia?

Where's the expert?

Darth Be'lal
I totally disagree with you on many points. Unfortunatly I'm not going to explain my opnion right now b/c i went to a Harry Potter
Party and went to bed at 3:45. I am tired.:(
Give me an hour or so to regain my strength.

Originally posted by MotherKali
you just have no hope....party pooper....you have to go and screw everything up....screw, haha....heh Therein lies the issue. I know you were just being light hearted but seriously, wishful thinking is no substitute for hard evidence. But don't despair, a lack of mythical creatures doesn't detract from the wonders of the natural world.

Consider these...
http://library.thinkquest.org/11922/mammals/platypus.jpg

http://staff.science.nus.edu.sg/~sivasothi/blog/docs/Singapore%20Naturalist/mudskipper.jpg

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/4726.jpg

And perhaps the freakiest of all living things, the slime mould (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slime_mould)
The cellular slime moulds or dictyostelids take the form of individual amoebae, but under stress aggregate to form a multicellular assembly called a pseudoplasmodium or slug. This migrates to a new location, then forms into a fruiting body, usually with a stalk formed from dead amoebae.

Therein lies the issue. I know you were just being light hearted but seriously, wishful thinking is no substitute for hard evidence. But don't despair, a lack of mythical creatures doesn't detract from the wonders of the natural world.
True, but I do take it more seriously than you think. There is alot of evidence. Whether you choose to believe the disputable facts or not is your opnion.

Originally posted by MotherKali
Whether you choose to believe the disputable facts

If Blob did that he'd be christian.

There is alot of evidence.Of what?

There is no evidence presented for any of the creatures discussed in this thread. Personal anecdotes, fuzzy photographs and cultural myths don't count I'm afraid.

Whether you choose to believe the disputable facts or not is your opnion."Disputable facts" is an oxymoron. Sounds like a euphemism for "unsubstantiated assertions" to me.

If Blob did that he'd be christian.Amen!

Choose what you choose to believe. Whatever.

Originally posted by MotherKali
Choose what you choose to believe. No thanks. I'll stick to believing what the evidence points to.

Thats what I said.

What happens when a person can see a ghost but others don't? Blob lets say you see a ghost maybe even talk with it, now there is no solid proof to back this up, was/is it real? The truth is in the eye of the beholder just because society doesn't believe it does not make it false????

Good questions mad dog. I'll start a new thread in philosophy if that's okay.

Here is the thing that makes "Nessy" more believeable to me is the amount of sightings. Alothough I'm sure many are fakes there are so many that are similar it makes me believe in "Nessy." Whether or not it is exactly like the drawings is disputable.

In my research of dragons I was led to old texts and books written in the 1500s. Many giving detailed descriptions of many different species. Looking at these old records it is clear to me that there were dragons. There is no way they could be confused with other reptiles.

Originally posted by MotherKali
In my research of dragons I was led to old texts and books written in the 1500s. Many giving detailed descriptions of many different species. Looking at these old records it is clear to me that there were dragons. There is no way they could be confused with other reptiles.

Title of book and the Author please?

Originally posted by MotherKali
Here is the thing that makes "Nessy" more believeable to me is the amount of sightings. Alothough I'm sure many are fakes there are so many that are similar it makes me believe in "Nessy." Whether or not it is exactly like the drawings is disputable.

This is when the problems start, everyone claims to know the truth even if the only thing they saw was their imagination. I was watching a show about big feets:) this lady claimed that she knew how it killed and ate its food. The problem with her input on the matter is that it would not make sense for the animal to kill the way she said. She also could not show any evidense not even the left overs, blood guts etc... The lady said she did not want to bring attention to the animal, but then turned around and went on TV??? For everyone that may see something there are 3or more that screw up the truth of the myth{creature}

In my research of dragons I was led to old texts and books written in the 1500s. Many giving detailed descriptions of many different species. Looking at these old records it is clear to me that there were dragons. There is no way they could be confused with other reptiles.

You may be correct we are allways finding new evidense of forgoten creatures

Title of book and the Author please?
You will have to wait til I move and unpack. All my notes are packed in a box.
I remember one of them being a very odd book by Edward Topsell I think? But also in his books he talked about totally fictious creatures...
I think it was called Study of Four-legged Beasts?

Originally posted by MotherKali
You will have to wait til I move and unpack. All my notes are packed in a box.
I remember one of them being a very odd book by Edward Topsell I think? But also in his books he talked about totally fictious creatures...
I think it was called Study of Four-legged Beasts?
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His book was probably like any book you would write.
A composition of legend and hearsay.
No provable facts!

His books not a good example..its just one i remember.

looks like a seal.
:D

The cupacabra is suppossed to be in the US SW and Northern Mexico.