What is your take on this stuff, if you know what it is?

Creetwins, you little devil...

I think it's fine as long as it's done by consenting adults in private and no one gets injured...more than they want....:D

Creetwins, you little devil...

;)



I think it's fine as long as it's done by consenting adults in private and no one gets injured...more than they want....

LOL....what do you mean in private? In the home, or a designated area among the other like-minded?

I'm with Vile here. It doesn't hurt me (provided I don't try to get involved), so consenting adults and all that. Just don't forget your safety word!

Originally posted by creetwins
LOL....what do you mean in private? In the home, or a designated area among the other like-minded?

Hey if people want to have private clubs for that sort of thing that's their business.

BIG DINNER SANDWICH with MILK

sounds great

Have had some experience with such.
Not into the heavy stuff.
Dominant roll.
Fun

Would anyone here participate in the stuff?

What aspect?

Do you think in order to be a more effective top, you have to have been a bottom?

Originally posted by creetwins
Would anyone here participate in the stuff?
No way - it just doesn't strike me as fun. I don't want my johnson high-heeled; I think whips are for horses - not humans, and seriously, what kind of defective likes being bound and gagged? Ooooooh, stick another sock in my mouth while you stomp on my balls....that'll get me off.

Nothing wrong with two consenting adults who practice safe and sane kink.

Being a Dom I have had lots of expeirience in D/s. Not much into the S/M stuff though. Doesn't do anything for me.

I think most of you would all be very surprised to find out that variations of BDSM are practiced by a substantial number of couples in the privacy of their own home.

BDSM - can refer to: Bondage, Dominance, Submission, Sadism, Slave, Masochism, Master.

Not everyone involved in it is into sadism and masochism.

Creetwins - No, one doesn't have to have been a bottom to make a good top. But it helps.

Anyone interested can do a search for munch's in their area and find weekly meetings in resturants were people who are into it meet and get to know each other in an open, natural invironment.

You never cease to amaze, Echo.

You and your husband were probably swingers, weren't you?

Nope. What we did was completely between us.

Never tried swinging, never wanted to and never will.

Then how the hell did you know about "munch's"? I'm sorry, but the concept of sharing what you do in the privacy of your own home with strangers seems a little bizarre to say the least. I'm assuming you attended these "meetings" with your hubby, and quite frankly, meeting at a restaurant to discuss the ways in which you tickle, sodomize, or beat your partner is probably a major turn-off to the people who go there to eat. What am I going to say to my 8 year-old, "oh, don't worry honey, it's just one of those harmless BDSM meetings where people of a similar mindset get to know each other in an open, natural environment"? Don't kid us...

Speaking from a man's viewpoint.

Having had many single years, I had many experiences.
I found that many women had fantasies of being controlled in a safe setting. Trust was the first objective.
I stayed away from the hard stuff. Mainly had dealings with submissive women.
My learned experience, of a combination of tenderness and firmness, produced some very mutual satisfying situations.

I was, at first, amazed at the number of women that were placed on a pedistal by men that actually wanted to be treated like ladies in public, but whores in private.

Of course, I do not speak of all women.

Some people seem to have a feeling that it is o.k. to do certain things and enjoy them if they are controlled into doing them.
The psychology of this is that they, sometimes, had life experiences that produced guilt for what they enjoyed naturally.
Sometimes this guilt was produced by their parents view of sex or control.

I always had a natural ability to see what a person needed and helped them to learn to enjoy experiences and see life in a guilt-free way. Slowly helping them to see that life can be enjoyed without the shackles of guilt. The freedom of self-expression is a wonderful thing.

Many times I helped a woman overcome the shell that a bad relationship had left them in. Mainly because as we pair-up in this life with partners we take on the baggage of that persons inability to cope with the needs of the partner due to their own shortcomings. They then attempt to belittle the partner in an attempt to cover their own inability to communicate.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Then how the hell did you know about "munch's"? I'm sorry, but the concept of sharing what you do in the privacy of your own home with strangers seems a little bizarre to say the least. I'm assuming you attended these "meetings" with your hubby, and quite frankly, meeting at a restaurant to discuss the ways in which you tickle, sodomize, or beat your partner is probably a major turn-off to the people who go there to eat. What am I going to say to my 8 year-old, "oh, don't worry honey, it's just one of those harmless BDSM meetings where people of a similar mindset get to know each other in an open, natural environment"? Don't kid us...

You missunderstand. A munch is just a safe place to meet like minded people. BDSM is not talked about openly in these get togethers. People just get to know each other, find out about up coming events, fairs, etc. (Do you truly believe that a resturant would allow what you are thinking about to go on in their establishment?) People dress normally, act normally and talk normally. Your precious little 8 year old would never hear anything that could warp his straight laced, vanilla upbringing.

As a couple, my husband and I never attended munch's. However I met him at a munch in New Orleans. We exchanged phone numbers and started dateing.

A munch is like any other get together that brings like minded people together. Bike riders, poetry readers, etc. It is about getting to know people who have similar interests. Contrary to the straight laced, pencil snapping oppinion, it isn't all about sex. It isn't about just getting laid (or whatever one is into). Most of the people in the community live their kink as a lifestyle and put on a vanilla face to the rest of the world.

You might be very surprised to know that many men in high powered jobs get into being submissive to women. I don't completely understand the mind set but I have been told that they have to make decisions all day long in their work and they enjoy letting go of the reins when they come home.

Prae, untill you know more about something you should keep your prejudices to yourself. And just to give you something to think about. If you are vanilla, everyone knows what you are doing with your wife behind closed doors. Vanilla sex is no secret to the billions of adults on this planet.

Originally posted by Echo2
Prae, untill you know more about something you should keep your prejudices to yourself.
All I know is what you wrote, and what you wrote sounded suspiciously like meeting people you didn't know to discuss the reason you attended the "munch" in the first place. In the context of this situation, it was BDSM. Isn't that the whole point - to discuss common interests? If not, then what were you going to talk about - differential calculus? I can see it now..."Hi, my name is Jim - this is my wife Suzie and we don't like whips...::wink, wink::...we like higher derivatives."

Come on, Echo.

You need to stop thinking about the sexual part and start thinking about the meeting part.

People who attend "parents without partners" meetings do not go to talk about their kids. They go to meet other people who are single and have children.

People who go to dances to not go to talk about dancing. They go to meet people.

It is the same at a munch. It is just a way to meet people. The difference being is that one knows that if a friendship does strike up, the other person will not be offended by your interests. Get your mind off the sexual part of it.

Just as there are bars and clubs that cater to gays, it doesn't meen that people who goes there talk about gayness, they just want to meet other gay people.

All different types of people meet and become friends and then become couples. The straight vanilla world does not have a patent on the way people make friends or couple up.

You have one of the filthiest minds I have come across in ages. Just because a person does things differently in the bedroom does not meen that they are promiscuous or speak out about it in public or flaunt it to the world.

Just where do you suggest that people with kinks go to meet other people with kinks? I would think that an straight laced, anal, valilla person would be glad that kinky people do their own thing rather than attending straight social events to find friends and possible partners. NEWS FLASH - there is much more to life and people than sex. Sex is just one aspect of life, not the start all and end all of everything.

Originally posted by Echo2
You have one of the filthiest minds I have come across in ages.
ROTFLMFAO! You must be joking...

You're the one who initially stated, "I've had lots of experience with being a dominatrix", followed up with some seasoned advice - "someone doesn't have to be a bottom to make a good top, but it helps." I very seriously doubt I have a dirtier mind than you, Mistress. LOL. I know, I know - lick your boot and don't talk back, right..?
You need to stop thinking about the sexual part and start thinking about the meeting part.
Okay, but you don't make it easy when you paint a picture that promotes visions of you owning a closet chalked full of patent leather suits and ball gags.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
ROTFLMFAO! You must be joking...

You're the one who initially stated, "I've had lots of experience with being a dominatrix", followed up with some seasoned advice - "someone doesn't have to be a bottom to make a good top, but it helps." I very seriously doubt I have a dirtier mind than you, Mistress. LOL. I know, I know - lick your boot and don't talk back, right..?

Okay, but you don't make it easy when you paint a picture that promotes visions of you owning a closet chalked full of patent leather suits and ball gags.
There's a difference between having kinky sex and having lots of sex. Echo does the former. You, when you can get it, would do the latter. At least, that's what your words have led me to believe. Am I mistaken?

Just don't forget your safety word!

LOL Borg, I am still in shock that you know what that is....!!!


I didn't know anything of the sort until my 20's lol

Originally posted by BorgHunter
There's a difference between having kinky sex and having lots of sex. Echo does the former. You, when you can get it, would do the latter. At least, that's what your words have led me to believe. Am I mistaken?
No Borg, you're not wrong, but then again - show me a male that doesn't want sex as often as they can get it.

I'm all for it. Again, like others, not about the heavy stuff.

Prae - quit being an asshat and just ridiculing. If you have real questions ask them. If all you have is ignorant assumptions then do us all a favor and STFU.

mmmmm, hot wax and whips issue here eh? :D

Originally posted by The Praetorian
No Borg, you're not wrong, but then again - show me a male that doesn't want sex as often as they can get it.
I have enough respect for myself (and for the people whom I would date) to wait until an appropriate time rather than dive straight in. Furthermore, sex is not my ultimate goal in a relationship. Don't get me wrong -- I'm as horny as any teenager -- but I also have self-control. No need to make myself feel like shit for taking advantage of a girl for my own gratification -- I do have a right hand to keep me occupied until the time comes.
Originally posted by creetwins
LOL Borg, I am still in shock that you know what that is....!!!


I didn't know anything of the sort until my 20's lol
I may be a virgin, but I have a lot of book knowledge about sex. It will make the physical aspect of it that much easier to learn when I get there!
Would anyone here participate in the stuff?
If I came across a girl who was into it, I'd give it a shot. Otherwise, I doubt I'd pursue it on my own.

Originally posted by creetwins
What is your take on this stuff, if you know what it is?

Okay, I'll confess my ignorance. I joined a posting community and it turned out to be BDSM... :D I had no frigging idea what it even was. I didn't know communities existed and that there were chat-rooms dedicated to it and special equipment and certain behaviors emulated. I had to ask why things where capitalized in certain ways in some of their posts. There was only one section for that kind of posting and the rest of the boards were just regular run of the mill politics, religion etc. They were big on chat and some of the couples were married to each other. Many were single and looking for on-line sex. Some of the chartrooms were specifically geared toward certain leanings.

I confessed my ignorance and they were gracious about my curiosity and happy to answer any questions.

It gave me some insights I would never have had the opportunity to learn.

I seldom post there now because (here's the irony) it was wildly left leaning for sexual things but hugely right leaning for politics and religion of all things.

And to be honest...after the novelty wore off I found the whole thing boring... who the hell wants to hang from the ceiling in a specially rigged net, hands and feet bound with a fucking ball gag in your mouth or crawl across the floor and refer to some asshole as "master".

It was fun while it lasted and cheers to them but people's "issues' are far more out there than in a regular forum. I was also led to believe that munches were far more than friendly meeting places. I was led to believe that there was were you could actually engage in scening and learn the dynamics involved because safety is always a huge issue and that was one thing I DID like about this particular group of people. They stressed the dangers.

I may be a virgin, but I have a lot of book knowledge about sex.

lol...I didn't even know there were books on that at your age ....:)

Rofl... I didn't know communities existed and that there were chat-rooms dedicated to it and special equipment and certain behaviors emulated.

equipment and apparatuses.....ROFL!

Anyhow, here's my take. As for the bonding, (bondaging, bandaging?) stuff, I don't think I'm into bonding, or being a bondee (bound?). Although if someone I am with wants it, I don't know if I'd do it, I am terrible with keys, or what I couldn't remember how I got him in there? And you wouldn't catch me volunteering, I get panic just thinking about it.........

What's next, S? D........
Dominance. I def. like it, although I can't decide if I like that or sub. better. Both are fun.

S? If it's sub, then I like it. A cultural thing? A pleaser thing? perhaps.

Sado? Ummmmm. I don't know. Smacking scratching biting yup. Sticking, stabbing or jabbing, or piercing, or anything gross then, nope.

Recipient? that too. Pain doesn't scare me. If it's done right and you know it is coming...

What's M?

I don't think I know what is M?

Originally posted by creetwins
What's M?

I don't think I know what is M?
Masochism. That's the one where you enjoy pain.

Bondage & Discipline (the whole leather chaps, collars, whips, and especially being tied up bit)
Domination & Submission (more generalized: master/slave type scenario; no props needed)
Sadism &
Masochism (giver and receiver of pain)

Kind of an odd way of doing the initialism, but whatever. BDSM people are odd anyway.

This is, at least, my understanding of the divisions in BDSM. Echo, feel free to correct me as necessary.

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Its Sado-Masochist (giver and receiver of pain)

Sado = give pain
Masochist = recieves pain

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
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Its Sado-Masochist (giver and receiver of pain)

Sado = give pain
Masochist = recieves pain
Sadomasochism is just a shortened version of sadism & masochism. Look it up.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Sadomasochism is just a shortened version of sadism & masochism. Look it up.

yeah and that's where I personally had a HUGE problem with the whole scene... I just CAN'T imagine a healthy human being wishing to impart or receive pain... Things get all twisted around.

Same with the control shit... what could possibly be healthy about wishing someone to ask you for their every possible fucking need in the world? And what could be healthy about needing to ask someone else's permission for everything? NOTHING healthy about it for me. It may fulfill their need but it isn't something I would personally want to get involved with!

It was interesting to observe but not a personal need I would wish to have or dabble in...the fetishes involved are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond me... and if you do some research, the way these needs are created ain't pretty...

Some parents need guidance!

Those are my feelings exactly. Well put, Sal.

viva la difference'

sal - I have the same problem with many of the practices that vanilla people participate in.

Originally posted by Echo2
I have the same problem with many of the practices that vanilla people participate in.
Like what exactly??? What do "vanilla" people do that you find abnormal?

It's just recreational role-playing. People do not operate in these roles 24-7.

Some people need to keep things interesting.

Most of the participants are just as healthy as everyone else.

The line between pleasure and pain is very fine.

Originally posted by ~Sal~
Same with the control shit... what could possibly be healthy about wishing someone to ask you for their every possible fucking need in the world? And what could be healthy about needing to ask someone else's permission for everything? NOTHING healthy about it for me. It may fulfill their need but it isn't something I would personally want to get involved with!

How do you define "healthy" behavior?

Isn't it possible for a behavior to be inherently "unhealthy", yet still play a positive role in a person's life?


It was interesting to observe but not a personal need I would wish to have or dabble in...the fetishes involved are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond me... and if you do some research, the way these needs are created ain't pretty...

Some parents need guidance!

Undoubtedly true, but I do wonder sometimes if we really want a group of people (mental health professionals), to decide what is "healthy" for us in terms of our upbringing. The only true test to see if someone had a healthy childhood is to see the end result. Would we be a better society if everyone had parents like Ward and June Cleaver?

Originally posted by creetwins
It's just recreational role-playing. People do not operate in these roles 24-7.

Some people need to keep things interesting.

No creetwins for many, many of these people it is not just recreational role-playing, it is not a game and it is not just about the bedroom. I can give you some links to some pretty far out sites but if you look you will easily find them yourself.

Many of these people are highly educated, a few there were brilliant and the mind games where incredible yet many times damaging and sometimes devastating. Sadomasochism does not end when they remove the needles or tear the wax off of you. And most do not want it to end there, at least not those who are into the lifestyle. Many of them said those unschooled in boundaries and discipline would easily cross the line. And it is very very much an integral part of their whole life.

The Dom fights were pretty interesting especially about sub behaviour and what was acceptable and the types of punishment insubordination would merit.

If anyone treated me like that I would be gone in a heartbeat.

For one Dom her partner was the one at home. He did ALL and I do mean ALL of the domestic part..."with permission" as to what should be done when...right down to lunch and what must be eaten. If return he is "taken care of" almost like a child.

Many can not do anything without permission. Want to be collared and have the rules that go along with that? Want to ask when you can speak and be told not tonight? If that is your thing, go for it, but for the real life participants it was no game it is very much an alternative lifestyle.

Most of the participants are just as healthy as everyone else.

Really? I have not seen the stats and I doubt there are many available since until quite recently the lifestyle was and for the most part still is underground... It is slowly emerging and in Canada is no longer illegal, I doubt that applies in the States but perhaps it does.

The line between pleasure and pain is very fine

Actually I find the line really clear... if it hurts it isn't love and it isn't my thing.

But adults are capable of making their own choices and if it means hurt and pain, either inflicting it or taking it then I guess one could argue one has the right. The problem (speaking of fine lines) is how does one draw the line with this lifestyle when the point is to hurt and be hurt. When is humiliation and degradation no longer a sign of love? For me personally it is never a sign of love but I respect their right to practice their art...

Originally posted by Vilepagan
How do you define "healthy" behavior?

Vile healthy behavior is hard to define, without a lot of buts and ifs. For the most part off the top of my head, I would define it as an absence of mental pain and suffering, an ability to see ones self clearly as a separate individual with unique needs and know which direction is best for oneself and a freedom from self imposed limits which allows one to reach one's full potential.

Isn't it possible for a behavior to be inherently "unhealthy", yet still play a positive role in a person's life?

Perhaps this could be possible. But I can't think of an example. What did you have in mind as unhealthy yet ultimately beneficial to the individual?


Undoubtedly true, but I do wonder sometimes if we really want a group of people (mental health professionals), to decide what is "healthy" for us in terms of our upbringing. The only true test to see if someone had a healthy childhood is to see the end result.

No, mental health professionals or the laws of the land can not dictate what is healthy for an adult who is capable of choice. As for upbringing within a home I believe we must advocate for child safety regardless of adult freedoms so in some ways that does dictate what is healthy in terms of upbringing because it affects a child. And what should and should not be done to that child.

I believe the end result many times does not indicate in any way if the childhood was healthy or unhealthy. Positive end results many times merely indicate an individuals ability to overcome the most incredible odds. Negative end results could sometimes be indicative of a brain chemistry imbalance.

Would we be a better society if everyone had parents like Ward and June Cleaver?

WHAT you don't want "the Beav" for your brother????????? What the hell's wrong with you? That's just not normal and healthy dammit.

If I had been unfortunate enough to have had parents like Ward and June I would have hung myself.... and quite cheerfully actually. :D

Originally posted by Echo2
viva la difference'

sal - I have the same problem with many of the practices that vanilla people participate in.

That's cool and good that you know what works for you. It's about personal need and what meets one's personal need. As long as you are good with it.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
How do you define "healthy" behavior?
I'm curious...how do you define it?
Originally posted by Vilepagan
Isn't it possible for a behavior to be inherently "unhealthy", yet still play a positive role in a person's life?
Like when a drunk driver kills an innocent person only to then realize that he should never drink and drive again???
Originally posted by Vilepagan
Undoubtedly true, but I do wonder sometimes if we really want a group of people (mental health professionals), to decide what is "healthy" for us in terms of our upbringing.
Then why do you use what the APA thinks of homosexuality as a general guideline for how we should perceive it?

Originally posted by ~Sal~
Vile healthy behavior is hard to define, without a lot of buts and ifs. For the most part off the top of my head, I would define it as an absence of mental pain and suffering, an ability to see ones self clearly as a separate individual with unique needs and know which direction is best for oneself and a freedom from self imposed limits which allows one to reach one's full potential.

I think your definition is sound, and I also fail to see how engaging in BDSM as an adult might stray from that definition.


Perhaps this could be possible. But I can't think of an example. What did you have in mind as unhealthy yet ultimately beneficial to the individual?

Hypothetically speaking, I could imagine that a person might act out frustrations, obsessions, or other psychological problems through their BDSM behaviors in a relatively harmless way. I don't personally understand the desire to mix sex and pain, and I do wonder a bit about people who like to inflict pain, but I can imagine it as a way to deal with life's stresses in a different manner than I might choose.


Positive end results many times merely indicate an individuals ability to overcome the most incredible odds.

True, but this "overcoming" of life's little, and sometimes not so little obstacles, is what strengthens us, changes us, and makes us the adult individuals we are. To try to decide what is healthy or unhealthy in bringing up children is fine, as long as you don't mandate too much individuality out of their upbringing. Overcoming the odds is what evolution as a species is all about.


WHAT you don't want "the Beav" for your brother????????? What the hell's wrong with you? That's just not normal and healthy dammit.

I just don't think I could bear to hear Mom say "Gee Ward, I think you were a little hard on the Beav last night" :D

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I'm curious...how do you define it?

To be honest, I thought Sal did a pretty good job with the definition. I would add that I would include the health and safety of others as well. I think a behavior should be considered unhealthy if it endangers the safety of others.

Like when a drunk driver kills an innocent person only to then realize that he should never drink and drive again???

See above.

Then why do you use what the APA thinks of homosexuality as a general guideline for how we should perceive it?

Good question...the simple answer is because I agree with the decision the APA came to.

The reason I agree with it is twofold, I'm gay, and I also prefer more lenient attitudes towards what constitutes mental illness, and what constitutes "normal" variations in behavior. I believe that much mental illness is caused by biological conflict with societal rules.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
I think your definition is sound, and I also fail to see how engaging in BDSM as an adult might stray from that definition.

The whole sex part intrigued me at first because of the amount of money they would invest in the apparatus and scening was very creative and required imagination and effort. I had zero knowledge of the lifestyle meaning I did not really know this subculture existed. It was an opportunity for me to learn. For the most part much of it is likely harmless. Although to be honest after a bit I found it tedious and boring because one is role-playing and repetitive stuff bores me quickly.

It's the domination and submission that concerned me the most about the whole thing because for many of these couples it did not stop in the bedroom... It is not just a sex game.

I do not believe having another person control one's behavior on a daily basis is a good thing. I do not believe having the need to control another's behavior is a positive thing and that is where I think it strays badly. It's like taking a dysfunction and instead of trying to overcome it one finds a partner to reinforce it.

Tell me how that is not harmful? How does that contribute to personal growth?
Hypothetically speaking, I could imagine that a person might act out frustrations, obsessions, or other psychological problems through their BDSM behaviors in a relatively harmless way. I don't personally understand the desire to mix sex and pain, and I do wonder a bit about people who like to inflict pain, but I can imagine it as a way to deal with life's stresses in a different manner than I might choose.

Yes it may be a way of dealing with life's stresses in a relatively harmless way. So how does one determine when it crosses the line and becomes abuse? If one's way of controlling the sub is to humiliate and dominate and that person (sub) thinks that is okay, how does one know when mind control is an issue? Just not something I feel comfortable with. :alien:

I believe that much mental illness is caused by biological conflict with societal rules.

Can you explain this a bit further? I am interested to hear more about this belief. Thanks!

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Those are my feelings exactly. Well put, Sal.
Thanks... I think... :D ;)

Originally posted by ~Sal~
It's the domination and submission that concerned me the most about the whole thing because for many of these couples it did not stop in the bedroom... It is not just a sex game.

I do not believe having another person control one's behavior on a daily basis is a good thing. I do not believe having the need to control another's behavior is a positive thing and that is where I think it strays badly. It's like taking a dysfunction and instead of trying to overcome it one finds a partner to reinforce it.

Tell me how that is not harmful? How does that contribute to personal growth?

Fair enough...I might even agree that this sort of thing is taking it a bit too far.


Can you explain this a bit further? I am interested to hear more about this belief. Thanks!

My father, and a friend of mine now, had problems dealing with parents that mistreated them. We are taught as one of the rules of our society that you should love your parents. Sometimes parents don't deserve to be loved and this can cause great mental stress for the children of such parents. Society's rules often don't allow for the variation that exists in human behavior.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Fair enough...I might even agree that this sort of thing is taking it a bit too far.

The "might" part gave me my first chuckle of the day...:D

My father, and a friend of mine now, had problems dealing with parents that mistreated them. We are taught as one of the rules of our society that you should love your parents. Sometimes parents don't deserve to be loved and this can cause great mental stress for the children of such parents. Society's rules often don't allow for the variation that exists in human behavior.

Yes that is so true. A child would need to try to reconcile that, be unable to since the skills are not yet there and would shoulder the blame possibly leading to shame...that sucks.

The other thing I can think of is respect for elders. Most kids instinctively know who does not deserve their respect. A kid can spot an asshole from 10 metres.

What about those that have a pleasure for pain?

How do they harness it safely?

Tattoos?

Originally posted by creetwins
What about those that have a pleasure for pain?
I believe they're referred to as "sick". Like those that derive pleasure from touching children in places they shouldn't.
Originally posted by creetwins
How do they harness it safely?
With padded walls and a therapist.
Originally posted by creetwins
Tattoos?
An idiot's trademark.

Originally posted by creetwins
What about those that have a pleasure for pain?

How do they harness it safely?

Tattoos?

Those whose pleasure is derived from pain have a reason for it and most can tell you why once they work on it.

I guess they harness it safely by being aware of what caused it to begin with. Then working on it until they can identify the boundaries. It's the boundary thing and people's inability to place them that usually causes problems.

An idiot's trademark.

Really? everyone with a tattoo is an idiot?

Aren't they part of some culture's spirituality? I believe there are a lot of them. Many people believe to go through some kind of pain endurances marks your story in life. Another that comes to mind is the sundancers and their fasting and piercing ceremonies...

Also, in very hot cultures where they don't wear many clothes, it's like a way of ornamentation. And you easily know who is who in a blur.........

I don't think it is all that uncommon in aboriginal, or tribal societies..........

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I believe they're referred to as "sick". Like those that derive pleasure from touching children in places they shouldn't.

With padded walls and a therapist.
Oh come on, Prae. They may be different, but if they can enjoy the pain without actually harming themselves, where's the harm?

JFC Prae, I have two tattoos (and not to jack this thread), but I don't consider myself an idiot. In fact, I wanted to reply to this thread earlier when the word "swinging" was brought up. But, after reading all this... the movie 8mm pops into my head. Eeerie.

Anyway, one tattoo is an ivy anklet (symbolizing my celtic birth symbol) and the other is a barbed wire wrapped rose on my shoulder blade...which means more to me than I can elaborate on here. :)

As for touching children (or viewing child porn) in inappropriate places - off with their head! There is no lower scum than one who gets off from that.

Prae, you might meet the woman of your dreams sometime soon. What if she is into this BDSM kind of thing? She may just rock your world, or else convert you - even just a little. ;)

Hit him with your whip Cricket! :D

LOL Vile - Prae knows that I'm more of a sword and throwing stars kind of girl. :)

I'm getting one.....I've already booked it, deposit paid.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Oh come on, Prae. They may be different, but if they can enjoy the pain without actually harming themselves, where's the harm?
Okay, okay...I was exaggerating. :) As you're probably well aware, I lack an imagination for things I don't understand. I just think someone getting their rocks off by being whipped, stomped, and/or beaten is beyond the realm of healthy normality. I understand fetishes, hell - even I have a few. I consider being tied up more of a fetish, and that doesn’t sound so weird. People that like being bossed around, hit, or those that like dominating others really throw me for a loop, but that’s just me. Who really wants that, seriously????

Originally posted by saycricket
LOL Vile - Prae knows that I'm more of a sword and throwing stars kind of girl. :)
I'll take the whip, thank you! :D

Originally posted by saycricket
JFC Prae, I have two tattoos (and not to jack this thread), but I don't consider myself an idiot. In fact, I wanted to reply to this thread earlier when the word "swinging" was brought up. But, after reading all this... the movie 8mm pops into my head. Eeerie.

Anyway, one tattoo is an ivy anklet (symbolizing my celtic birth symbol) and the other is a barbed wire wrapped rose on my shoulder blade...which means more to me than I can elaborate on here. :)

As for touching children (or viewing child porn) in inappropriate places - off with their head! There is no lower scum than one who gets off from that.

Prae, you might meet the woman of your dreams sometime soon. What if she is into this BDSM kind of thing? She may just rock your world, or else convert you - even just a little. ;)
No, I don't think everybody that has a tattoo is an idiot, but I could never understand why someone would want to permanently brand themselves with something you'll have to explain to your grandkids someday. It just seems...I don't know...half-baked.

Originally posted by creetwins
Really? everyone with a tattoo is an idiot?

I don't think it is all that uncommon in aboriginal, or tribal societies..........
First off, let me apologize to anyone here with a tattoo. I didn't mean to offend you - I just have a propensity to be dick, and I can't help myself.

But...:)

We don't live in an aboriginal or tribal society, do we???

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I'll take the whip, thank you! :D

Oh prae, I'm starting to like you. lol.

Originally posted by Echo2
Oh prae, I'm starting to like you. lol.
Well, you're not so bad yourself sometimes...:)

Originally posted by The Praetorian
People that like being bossed around, hit, or those that like dominating others really throw me for a loop, but that’s just me. Who really wants that, seriously????
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Prae, I think they are called tax payers and politicians, in that order.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
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Prae, I think they are called tax payers and politicians, in that order.
Yeah, I can see that. :)

I consider being tied up more of a fetish, and that doesn’t sound so weird.

Aha! That's "B"!!! You're one of us!!!



No, I don't think everybody that has a tattoo is an idiot, but I could never understand why someone would want to permanently brand themselves with something you'll have to explain to your grandkids someday.

The only explaining I'll have to do is if they see me naked, and if that is the case, I'll be have to explain more than just a little tattoo.....LOL

I'm going tomorrow, at 2:30.......wish me luck

Oh, and is there some kind of tattooing ettiquette, do I tip my tattooist? :confused:

I'm going tomorrow, at 2:30.......wish me luck

Heeeeeeeey, tell, tell, tell...what are you getting? Oh, and good luck, I would likely faint...:D

Heeeeeeeey, tell, tell, tell...what are you getting?

I can't.........it's a seeecret! :p

Before you go doing this tyo your body, check out some of the sailirs from WW2 and their tatoos. They probubly looked great at the time but on a 60, 70, 80 year old body they look like rotted, hanging skin .

JMO - tattos scream low life. But then I am from a different generation. My daughter has a tatoo. Luckily it is in a place where I don't have to see it.

Originally posted by creetwins
I can't.........it's a seeecret! :p

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... it's a secret... jump post it here and I promise not to tell :D ...

Is it Cretin...is it, is it, is it.... hehehehe

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...okay then you HAVE TO post a pic... kkkkkk?????????? pwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwease?????

Inquiring minds want to know....:D

Originally posted by creetwins
I'm going tomorrow, at 2:30.......wish me luck
I'm with Sal here. We need pictures. We won't show them to your future grandkids, I swear!

Originally posted by creetwins
I'm going tomorrow, at 2:30.......wish me luck


No Cree don't...oh well...good luck.:(

Don't worry Vile.........It's from a rubbing made of a petroglyph, that is 600 -1100 years old. The stories are the same now as they were then, and are certain to be relavent to my children's children.

And the symbols carry many many truths in my story.

It's taken me 14 years of dreams, visions, journey's and memories to come to this knowing, and I'm going to document it on myself as a present to me for my 30th........

And I'm sure to not be wearing backless gowns in my 80's......

Just as long as it's not a rose on your ankle. Generic!

Originally posted by creetwins
Don't worry Vile.........It's from a rubbing made of a petroglyph, that is 600 -1100 years old. The stories are the same now as they were then, and are certain to be relavent to my children's children.

And the symbols carry many many truths in my story.

It's taken me 14 years of dreams, visions, journey's and memories to come to this knowing, and I'm going to document it on myself as a present to me for my 30th........

And I'm sure to not be wearing backless gowns in my 80's......
Take pictures! And post them here!

Lionel - you are sooo correct! Some people get tattoos just for the sake of having them. I think what Cree is doing is fantastic if it's truly what she wants to do and the subject matter is heartfelt and personal. Rod Stewart said every picture tells a story. Your tattoo should be personal and meaningful to the individual wearing it...even if you are 80 years old. You can look back and remember the reasoning behind it. Hell, even if you explain it to your granchildren, they are more apt to admire you for being true to yourself and what you believe in (like Cree for instance), instead of just having yourself branded because it was the IN thing to do. JMO

Good Luck Cree and remember - you say that you'll only get one...but tattoos are addictive. :)

Prae to be honest, I'm not into either the pain or domineering fetishes either. But, I can't badmouth others that are because a handful of my fetishes are most likely frightening (or inconceivable) to others. ;)

hee hee I'm done!

I can see why it might be addictive, now that it is over it feels wonderful.................

My whole body was buzzing, and I could feel the vibrating all up my spine.

It's all bandaged up right now, but I got him to take a shot before he did it.

I wasn't sure if I was to tip him, so I made up a beaded medicine bag to give to him for gratitude, and he really loved it.

Your supposed to give an offering when fulfilling a vision.

Originally posted by creetwins
It's all bandaged up right now, but I got him to take a shot before he did it.
Let us see! Let us see!

If I post mine, I want to see some others........:D

Maybe start a new thread.

Yeh start a tattoo thread :)

Originally posted by creetwins
If I post mine, I want to see some others........:D

Maybe start a new thread.
Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Yeh start a tattoo thread :)
Good idea! It is done.

Where is it? Do I start it?

I think I've decided which one now.

Originally posted by creetwins
Where is it? Do I start it?

I think I've decided which one now.
In the ::whisper whisper whisper::.

Yes, the ::whisper whisper whisper wink wink:: ::points to the forum below Humor::

Sadomasochism little late but I missed that you had typed Sadism into the entry because it was on a different line.

Originally posted by creetwins
Your supposed to give an offering when fulfilling a vision.
Does your vision include a picture of Hepatitis C?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Does your vision include a picture of Hepatitis C?

you prick!

...how come I still like you?

Because I'm not all that bad once you get to know me...

I don't think I've ever heard you call anyone a name before, Sal.

Hell, I'm honored. :D

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Because I'm not all that bad once you get to know me...

I don't think I've ever heard you call anyone a name before, Sal.

Hell, I'm honored. :D

:D It seemed a good time to start...besides I knew it wouldn't offend ya....

How could I be offended??? It's the truth.

How could I get Hep C with new sterile equipment?

Little faeries that fly around!

Originally posted by creetwins
How could I get Hep C with new sterile equipment?
How do you know it's new and sterile - because they told you so?

no, because I watched him unwrap the new stinger thing.