Who cares about Dick Durbin? Do you know who should really issue a public and tearful apology while begging for our forgiveness? It should be whoever got us entrenched in this disastrous and unwinnable war of choice with no clear exit strategy while wholly and woefully underestimating the enemies and their resolve, failing to define victory and making our nation less safe and our citizens more prone to random violence.
And that's just for the war on drugs!!!
For Iraq, everyone should have fallen on the sword a long time ago.

the fastest way to end a war is to lose it

We lost the war on drugs a long time ago and yet it drags on . . .

Maybe the dead troop count will be 1776 on July 4th. That outta wake up a few people.

I am still waiting for a retraction from the left on the 10,000 KIA estimate on the invasion of Baghdad

OK trav I'll bite ... what was the exact claim?

Dont you remember at the beginning of the war there were the obligitory stories of 10,000 body bags being ordered, and then when we got to the gates of baghdad we kept hearing about tens of thousands of americans dead in the assault?

Just vaguely ... haven't heard anything else about it since then.

of course you havent, becasue it was wrong. the media and libs are never held accountable for wrong predictions. Its as if they never happened. yet every new pedicition is trated like they ahve never been wrong.

Originally posted by Travh20
of course you havent, becasue it was wrong. the media and libs are never held accountable for wrong predictions. Its as if they never happened. yet every new pedicition is trated like they ahve never been wrong. funny how all of your arguments could be used by either side. you just beat us to the point...:D

Originally posted by Travh20
I am still waiting for a retraction from the left on the 10,000 KIA estimate on the invasion of Baghdad

Can you name one person here who made a **10,000 body bags will be needed** claim???

Do that, and you will have demonstrated that you have a point.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Can you name one person here who made a **10,000 body bags will be needed** claim???

Do that, and you will have demonstrated that you have a point.

it would be easier to anme one that didnt make that claim

Originally posted by Travh20
it would be easier to anme one that didnt make that claim

Nah.

Just name one person here who made a **10,000 body bags will be needed** claim.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Nah.

Just name one person here who made a **10,000 body bags will be needed** claim.

On the other hand you guys haven't left yet and who knows what could happen... horrendous suprises happen....

Originally posted by ~Sal~
On the other hand you guys haven't left yet and who knows what could happen......

I am simply trying to get a Rightwing dimwit to take responsibility --for once-- for one of his bullshit assertions.

Originally posted by Freethinker
I am simply trying to get a Rightwing dimwit to take responsibility --for once-- for one of his bullshit assertions.

Yeah but I don't want to aruge with a rightwing about body bags so I picked your post to hide behind... :D

Originally posted by ~Sal~
Yeah but I don't want to aruge with a rightwing about body bags so I picked your post to hide behind... :D

Don't feel too contrite........the person in question will instantly hide behind anything or anyone available the second he is challenged on his preposterous bullshit.

Originally posted by Freethinker
I am simply trying to get a Rightwing dimwit to take responsibility --for once-- for one of his bullshit assertions.
He didn't say anyone here said it, you dick. He said the media along with the implied "certain libs" portion made a claim that estimated 10,000 troops had died at the gates of Baghdad. Sometimes you have me thinking that a nice rapid pistol whipping would serve to be the perfect attitude adjustment for you.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
He didn't say anyone here said it, you dick.

Ok.

A valid point.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
He said the media along with the implied "certain libs" portion made a claim that estimated 10,000 troops had died at the gates of Baghdad.

Ok.

Let him quote a few of those "liberal" media outlets ---along with any of the "certain libs" here--- who asserted that an estimated 10,000 troops had actually been killed at the gates of Baghdad,

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Sometimes you have me thinking that a nice rapid pistol whipping would serve to be the perfect attitude adjustment for you.

Just as a rapid course in critical thinking might serve as a possible attitude adjustment for you.

Originally posted by Travh20
the fastest way to end a war is to lose it

Hey, whatever it takes.

Just let the slaughter (and the throwing away of hundreds of billions of taxdollars) come to an end.

That is the most depressing thing i have heard all week.

Defeatism never got anybody anywhere.

(Oh, and, Hi guys. Miss me?)