i heard that rummy and the crew, met with insurgents. now, correct me if im wrong, but it has been said that we will not negotiate with terrorist. you may say, and you will, that meeting with terrorist doesnt mean negotiating with them. so i'll just say that it must have just been brunch !:rolleyes:

You heard correct Korg.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/26/AR20050SPAMSPAMSPAM00096.html

Originally posted by korg
i heard that rummy and the crew, met with insurgents. now, correct me if im wrong, but it has been said that we will not negotiate with terrorist. you may say, and you will, that meeting with terrorist doesnt mean negotiating with them. so i'll just say that it must have just been brunch !:rolleyes:

I heard this as well.

MSNBC's survey question this morning is about meeting with the insurgents.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

is that a bad thing? if it saves lives.... im for it.

This is an admission of defeat by the United States. Now aren't you happy we got 1700+ troops killed, 100,000 Iraquis killed and spent $250 billion just to go down in defeat. Jaysus ... what part of Vietnam didn't they understand?

LOL, they dont want war, they dont want peace, all they want is bush out of office. talk about fucked up prioritys. when you jackoffs get your head out of bushs ass and see this war includes you too, you may be a biut more realistic about what is going on and drop the stupid ass slogans and bullshit vietnam comparisons.

I don't think Rummy himself met with these people.

Plus, although they are terrorists in a local sense, they are terrorists the US created - they aren't really the same group that flew planes into the twin towers.

If it stops the bloodshed then they should meet with them. Pretty soon there isn't going to be enough sand left to soak up the blood - so they need to follow any avenue they can.

Only problem Drew is ... just a few days ago Rove condemned the democrats on the basis they wanted to negotiate with the terrorists. Now the white house is doing just that. How does that square?

it doesnt matter what we do over there, the usual suspects will find the negative and play it up. we shoot first ask questiosn later, they throw a fit, we ask questions first shoot later they throw a fit. these people (shamfreeguerilladop) dont care about the iraqi people anymore then they claim we dont. tehy care about getting bush out of office, period. its personel to them.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Only problem Drew is ... just a few days ago Rove condemned the democrats on the basis they wanted to negotiate with the terrorists. Now the white house is doing just that. How does that square?

I agree that most of what comes out of the administrations mouth is pretty much spin doctor bullshit these days.

Look at Cheney last week - he said the insurgency was in it's last throes - General Abizaid pretty much had to ask forgiveness of the senate for not calling him a lying prick in a public forum. Cheney has an unfortuanate history of talking crap, Rove is probably not far behind.

On the other hand I trust the military - if they see fit to talk to these insurgents they should do it - they do the right thing anyway - they don't listen to Carl Rove.

I guess to the left freedom fighter and terrorists are interchangeable. when we fight them they are freedom fighters, when we negotiate with them they are terrorists. whatever you think scores points right dop? once and for all, lets get this out in the open: are they freedom fighters or terrorists?

They are not terrorists in the wider sense of 'America's war on Terror' - ie they pose zero threat to the US.

They are terrorists in a local sense - because they use terrorists tactics.

Freedom fighters? Maybe they seem themselves as that, but I wouldn't categorize them as that.

travh, i dont have a problem with anything we do to end this bullshit. problem i have is, around the time i joined allforums, we were arguing about negotiating with terrorist, and most of the bush supporters said that they wouldnt support it, pretty much called it a "LIBERAL " thing. i just wanted to know what everyone thought about it. and dont just send out the old " oh here we go again blaming the republicans, damned if we dont liberals shut up " bullshit. tell me what you think about them doing it, not what you think about me posting it. and you know i respect you travh !

Originally posted by Travh20
once and for all, lets get this out in the open: are they freedom fighters or terrorists? hey, one mans trailer is another mans cottage. it all depends on who you talk to. but i think that they are terrorist when they bomb us, and freedom fighters when we bomb them !

Great question Korg ... let's see if any of the wingers have a spin for this one right now or if they have to wait until tomorrow's Rush Limbaugh show to get their talking points.

Originally posted by Travh20
it doesnt matter what we do over there, the usual suspects will find the negative and play it up. we shoot first ask questiosn later, they throw a fit, we ask questions first shoot later they throw a fit. these people (shamfreeguerilladop) dont care about the iraqi people anymore then they claim we dont. tehy care about getting bush out of office, period. its personel to them. travh, i personally think that bush should be elected until he cleans up this mess. problem is, he will be long gone, maybe even dead when this is finally over.

i think that one of the greatest acts of terrorism, is luring someone into a fight that no one can win. but in the meantime, people die. i think that , the way terrorist think, they are willing to lose 100 just to kill one ! that's some dangerous shit !

Originally posted by korg
travh, i personally think that bush should be elected until he cleans up this mess. problem is, he will be long gone, maybe even dead when this is finally over.

Hell no! I'd like to see a different President before I die.

Originally posted by korg
travh, i personally think that bush should be elected until he cleans up this mess. problem is, he will be long gone, maybe even dead when this is finally over.
Gee, that would really get some good people on the Supreme Court bench...

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Hell no! I'd like to see a different President before I die.

Don't count on seeing a different president .

Legislation was drawn up today (yesterday?) to recind the 22nd. Bush forever.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Don't count on seeing a different president .

Legislation was drawn up today (yesterday?) to recind the 22nd. Bush forever.

does anyone take this joker seriously anymore?

Read it and weep trav

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/bush_new_bill_make_president_for_life.htm

joker??? wtf???

I have a feeling info wars could post anything and you would believe it

It's obvious you didn't read the article trav. It links to the bill itself at the library of congress.

It must be horrible to be so full of anger and hatred that you're driven to continuous postings of blindness with total disregard for any rational though.

Originally posted by Travh20
I have a feeling ________ could post anything and you would believe it this is the blank travh uses. that is why his response to any "liberal" news paper is always the same.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing


It must be horrible to be so full of anger and hatred that you're driven to continuous postings of blindness with total disregard for any rational though.

you would know

The 22nd will not be recinded. There are hundreds of bills that never go anywhere - this one belongs to that club.

Even if it was - Bush would still have to be elected. He would have a low chance of being re-elected.

Yeah, I wouldn't lose any sleep over this; there's no way in hell it's going to pass. But I wouldn't mind if the morons who proposed the amendment lose their seats next year.

I love it when the kooks go out and find some obscure bill by some kook politician that has no chance in hell of passing and then feed it to their brain dead followers who regurgitate it to their forum like its on the verge of becoming law. "infowars dot com said it man, its got to be true! they wouldnt lie, they have no agenda"

Originally posted by Travh20
I love it when the kooks go out and find some obscure bill by some kook politician that has no chance in hell of passing and then feed it to their brain dead followers who regurgitate it to their forum like its on the verge of becoming law. "infowars dot com said it man, its got to be true! they wouldnt lie, they have no agenda" but travh, just a minute ago, it was just liberal media bullshit that cant be believed. but now that it seems to be true, that it was something they were trying to pass, now its just some kook........excusesattheready.com.......huh ?

what the hell are you talking about korg?

I like this bit of hyperbole:

This is the modern day version of the Enabling Act, which allowed Hitler to officially declare himself dictator.

Originally posted by Travh20
what the hell are you talking about korg? first, you were saying that because it came from that source, it couldnt be believed. then , when you found out that it was actually something they were trying to push, then the guy's a kook. but it wasnt suppose to be true in the first place , according to you.......that's all travh. its funny how fast you come up with excuses for these guys stupidity. you should definitely have karl roves job. i think you are a better spin doctor.

Well I guess we got hijacked a bit, first of all I believe that talking with insurgents is not negotiating with terrorists but equal to peace talks, secondly even if the 22nd was repealed Bush would still have to be elected to remain in office so lets not get carried away.

Bush is now in the position to be able to only defend any or all actions, so of course it is all spin what else is politics?

Everyone of us knows that Bush will never remain in office longer than 8 years even if the 22nd is repealed and even if Arnold ran for President he could only call congress girly men and no more.
I think we all tend to freak out more than we should.

Well I have to watch what I read or I will be back to the old BV.

hehe :hitout: