What I Remember

It was December 7th 1941. I remember my father saying, “it wont be long now and we’ll be at war with the Germans too”. For some time following it was an up hill pull. I remember my grandmother and mother going through the food rationing stamps. My father buying a used bicycle to save gas and ride the four miles to work in the ship yard in Stockton. The victory gardens, the victory stamps to buy war bonds, and my grammar school scrap metal junk drive. It was quite an adventure. Our country was united in the war effort. As time passed the realization of war struck home.

I remember the look on my grandmother’s face when the first telegram came telling her of the loss of her first son. It started out, “ We regret to inform you, and ended, killed in action”. He died at Tarawa. The second one was much the same. He was killed at Okinawa. Both were marines. Now there were two gold stars in the window and one blue one. The third boy was in France, he made it home.

It wasn’t long before the Korean ”Police Action”. I was seventeen years old and couldn’t spell communism much less understand its concepts. But it was a world threat or so we were told. Much to the dismay of my parents and grandmother I enlisted. I spent sixteen months on the line before it ended. It seems the generals at the peace talks couldn’t decide what the table shape should be They finally agreed it should be round so no one was at the head of the table. The bottom line was it cost over 50,000 dead American boys.

When my enlistment was up I was given an opportunity to reenlist. Seems the French had lost the struggle to control Indo China (Vietnam). We were there to straighten things out an offer military advice. I said thanks but no thanks I had had enough. That straightening out period lasted 10 years and another 50,000 dead American boys before we decided to call it quits.

Since then one skirmish after another has taken more fathers and sons away only to send them home in body bags and wheel chairs. Since WWII I don’t recall that we have been invited to these conflicts. It just seems to be our nature to fix the worlds problems. I understand that we are a powerful nation, and consider ourselves a world leader, but are we stretching our selves a bit thin?

Now it seems we have taken on the task to invade a country, on what appears to be a false pretense, destroy its infrastructure, kill its people, alienate our allies, plunge us into staggering national debt and all of this is in the name of “Freedom and Democracy”. Did they ask us for our help? It also may be well to note that Osama is still on the loose. I’m not condoning the actions of a tyrant like Sadam. He needed to be stopped, not by us, but by the Iraqis themselves. Perhaps we should concentrate on some of our own problems right here in the good old USA.

I think the war on terror needs to be addressed here on the home front, not the mountains in Afghanistan. Let’s let the world solve its own problems. My question to you John Q public is, where are we headed and when does it stop? Are we going to loose another 50,000 soldiers before we have had enough? Face it folks, Iraq is another no win situation. Of course if we should win, (what ever that is) by some stroke of luck, we would have a lot more oil.

A Disillusioned Republican

Nice post Ralph Saxton and welcome to allforums!!

Powerful post Ralph ... thanks and welcome to allforums.

Sadly, this administration has no intention of leaving Iraq.

Just this morning, Rice was quoted in the media as saying 'Iraq is a generational thing' (paraphrased)

IOW: we're there forever or until we've stolen every drop of oil and killed every Iraqui.

Not in my name

It took several years for the antiwar movement to start having any effect on policy during Vietnam. The public continued to support that war, although more and more uneasily. The media unquestioningly reported the daily military briefings. There were several factors that changed that. On college campuses returning veterans helped to educate the rest of the students. Walter Cronkite's visit to Vietnam, and conclusion that the war was unwinnable which he broadcast on the evening news. Finally there was the Tet offensive, a military disaster for the North Vietnamese/ Vietcong, but a shocking refutation of the claim that we had pacified much of the country. I fear that Iraq may take as long, and become as divisive as Vietnam.

I totally agree Imagineer ...

IMHO -- it was TET that woke up the american people.

Good post.

Interesting to note that 3 1/2 years after we were sucker-punched at Pearl Harbor we had the war won. The entire Japanese fleet was on the bottom of the ocean. We began the MacArthur Plan, respectfully rebuilt the country and forged an alliance that is stronger than ever today.

Four years after we were sucker-punched by Bin Laden the guy is still at large. We used the event as an excuse to invade an uninvolved country using phony intel. Now Osama is as strong as ever and has us right where he wants us: in a ground war in the Middle East with few allies.

We desparately need good leadership now, as we had back then. And all we have in the White House is a huckleberry.

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
What I Remember.........I was seventeen years old and couldn’t spell communism much less understand its concepts.

Didn't matter, Ralph.

The **"Communist threat"** (in similar fashion to the "Muslim terrorist threat") was an entirely fantastic and untrue piece of fucking PROPAGANDA that the Powers-That-Be concocted in order to inflame the ignorant sheep of this country into donating trillions of [unnecessary] taxdollars to fight.

Your kin folks died for nothing.....except, of course, to further enrich the Powerful Few.

Same as it is now.

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
are we stretching our selves a bit thin?

plunge us into staggering national debt and all of this is in the name of “Freedom and Democracy”. Did they ask us for our help?


It also may be well to note that Osama is still on the loose.

I’m not condoning the actions of a tyrant like Sadam. He needed to be stopped, not by us, but by the Iraqis themselves. Perhaps we should concentrate on some of our own problems right here in the good old USA.

I think the war on terror needs to be addressed here on the home front, not the mountains in Afghanistan.

Good post and also some good points made.

I will be one of the 1st to admit that I was for the war at 1st because I believed in the BS the power heads sold us. The sad part is if we can't trust those in charge who are we suppose to trust? I have nothing but the highest respect for our troops and their service. What bothers me is how the power heads have lied and BSed us just so they can line their pockets and get power.

Originally posted by fluffernutter
Good post.

Four years after we were sucker-punched by Bin Laden the guy is still at large. We used the event as an excuse to invade an uninvolved country using phony intel. Now Osama is as strong as ever and has us right where he wants us: in a ground war in the Middle East with few allies.


This is the same OBL that I'm supposed to believe planned the 9/11 attacks from a cave in Afghanistan using no more than cell phones, and yet dumb enough to sit around Afghanistan waiting for us to come and get him.

OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.

Thank you for your service to this country.

One point I'd like to comment on is that the war on terror must be won on the home front. It is unwinnable on the home front. If we think there is a real terror threat, it has to be taken on where it is breeding.

I now believe this because this morning I heard on the radio that the American Library Association does not want to cooperate with the FBI when they inquire as to what materials people are viewing.

They said that since 2001, there have been 200 inquiries at America's libraries. That's roughly 1 per state per year. You talked about sacrifices made during WWII (not to mention what FDR did to the Japanese Americans). Americans no longer know what that means.

Americans gave up certain liberties during WWII that they regained at its conclusion. If we can't review a library card, what chance to we stand at our borders?

Ralph, I just received your private message. I started my above post by thanking you for your service. I then gently disagreed with your point, without being insulting in any way.

Your private message to me was insulting and extremely condescending (and so far off-topic I didn't get it). With respect, if someone's disagreeing with you makes you that angry, you've come to the wrong place.

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
It just seems to be our nature to fix the worlds problems. I understand that we are a powerful nation, and consider ourselves a world leader, but are we stretching our selves a bit thin?

I feel the same way. Our country has so many internal issues which are tearing up and dividing the people and they're not being addressed. Instead, we're spending massive amounts of money and time on foreign issues which don't directly affect us. I understand that there are terrible leaders out there and that their people aren't fairing well, but we ourselves aren't in the best shape either. Better? Yes. Best? No. We're trying to tackle and fix so many problems in various countries that it's doubtful if we can handle another huge threat. Hello! If we can't handle another serious problem in the world, how are we going to address problems here in the homeland?

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
Now it seems we have taken on the task to invade a country, on what appears to be a false pretense, destroy its infrastructure, kill its people, alienate our allies, plunge us into staggering national debt and all of this is in the name of “Freedom and Democracy”.

Frequently, our actions in spreading democracy remind me of how early Europeans "spread" Christianity to American Indians. Perhaps the US isn't spreading democracy like the Europeans spread Christianity, but I can't help but feel both courses of action have some similarities. Of course, that's probably just me.

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
A Disillusioned Republican
Are you sure..?

The enemy hasn't stopped us - you people have.

If you don't like what I have to say, don't bother with a PM - say it right here like a real man.

Embyr: Frequently, our actions in spreading democracy remind me of how early Europeans "spread" Christianity to American Indians. Perhaps the US isn't spreading democracy like the Europeans spread Christianity, but I can't help but feel both courses of action have some similarities. Of course, that's probably just me.

An interesting parallel to contemplate

Ralph, thank you for the apology, but it wasn't necessary. It was refreshing because no one apologizes here (myself included).

I'm looking forward to hearing more about your experiences in the future. Please go to the "history" area and share with us what you've seen.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Just this morning, Rice was quoted in the media as saying 'Iraq is a generational thing' (paraphrased)

IOW: we're there forever or until we've stolen every drop of oil and killed every Iraqui.


WOW..... i didnt know that a paraphrased statement of "Iraq is a generational thing" meant all that! :rolleyes:

First off.... you don't have ESP, you are just simply labeling things onto other people, things that you wish were true. And the extreme of it all is simply laughable... the only people who are killing iraquis over there are terrorists with daily car bombs and suicide attacks.

Its simply impossible to have any realism is dop's line of thinking... its all to the extremes.

Sorry Decka but our troops killed 100+ since I made that post and they admit it ... they also have 7000 trapped -- which more than likely, are as good as dead.

These were probably innocent Iraquis -- not insurgents or whatever the F they're called by you wingers.

Originally posted by Decka
the only people who are killing iraquis over there are terrorists

Where have you been for the last three years? Obviously not paying attention. Americans bombed Iraq and killed many innocent Iraqis. Then there are the ones that we bring to gizmo and let the interigators beat them to death.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Sorry Decka but our troops killed 100+ since I made that post and they admit it ... they also have 7000 trapped -- which more than likely, are as good as dead.

These were probably innocent Iraquis -- not insurgents or whatever the F they're called by you wingers.

Your bias amazes me dop....

i read the article.. and the 100 people were "trapped under houses".... accidental deaths.... but its funny that you change the story to your liking....

oh and the 7000 people are just in need of food and such... nowhere did it state that their lives were in immediate danger.....

why the hell do you twist things up so much? is that how you get your rocks off or something?

Originally posted by Echo2
Where have you been for the last three years? Obviously not paying attention. Americans bombed Iraq and killed many innocent Iraqis.
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i don't disagree with that... unfortunately innocents died.... but it wasn't our intent. accidents happen, people die in war, its just the way it is. Obviously your expectations of war are alot different from mine.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Echo2

Then there are the ones that we bring to gizmo and let the interigators beat them to death.

LOL.... noone beat anyone to death.... ooohhhh they "tortured" them by making them stand up for awhile.... or have a girl flash her boobs at him..... jeez thats SUCH torture!!!

Oh, i forgot.... they called them names.... such "torture" these terrorists have to put up with.... i don't know HOW they survive :rolleyes:

But, hey lets twist things up for the F of it!

Being trapped under houses dead is different than some other kind of being dead? No mater how you slice the pizza, they're dead and our troops are responsible.

If they have no plans to kill the other 7000, then why are they denying the International Red Cross access?

Let me guess ... they will take care of them on their own ... you know like in gitmo ... chicken dinners and fruit plates.

Hell, maybe they'll even get a choice between Doritos and Cheetos like Saddam does.

Bottom line ... it's time to get the hell out of there .... we've accomplished our mission with the bonus of seeing Saddam in his underwear ... doesn't get any better than that.

Support the troops -- bring them home.

Originally posted by Decka
LOL.... noone beat anyone to death....

I wouldn't be too sure about that.


ooohhhh they "tortured" them by making them stand up for awhile.... or have a girl flash her boobs at him..... jeez thats SUCH torture!!!

Oh, i forgot.... they called them names.... such "torture" these terrorists have to put up with.... i don't know HOW they survive :rolleyes:

But, hey lets twist things up for the F of it!

We've done a lot more than make them stand for awhile...

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Are you sure..?

The enemy hasn't stopped us - you people have.

If you don't like what I have to say, don't bother with a PM - say it right here like a real man.


After having voted a straight republican ticket for 50 years, yes. I'm sure. I guess I just don't really know who the "enemy" is any more much less who "you people" are. Unless you have been there, and spilled a little of your blood, are you qualified to define a real man?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Are you sure..?

The enemy hasn't stopped us - you people have.

If you don't like what I have to say, don't bother with a PM - say it right here like a real man.
"You people"? What, people thinking for themselves and questioning the party line are now, in your words, more subversive than the enemy, i.e. terrorists? You've said a lot of stupid, inane stuff, Prae...but this takes the cake. "Oh no, someone thinking for himself, let's attack him until he bends to the view of the collective!"

And the "real man" part...nice. Not only can you not stand anything but groupthink, but you have to throw around your machismo, too...

Originally posted by Freethinker
Didn't matter, Ralph.

The **"Communist threat"** (in similar fashion to the "Muslim terrorist threat") was an entirely fantastic and untrue piece of fucking PROPAGANDA that the Powers-That-Be concocted in order to inflame the ignorant sheep of this country into donating trillions of [unnecessary] taxdollars to fight.

Your kin folks died for nothing.....except, of course, to further enrich the Powerful Few.

Same as it is now.

ya, there is no threat at all. all we have to worry about is Bush bush bush bush. thank god this dip shit isnt in charge of anything.

Originally posted by Travh20
ya, there is no threat at all. all we have to worry about is Bush bush bush bush. thank god this dip shit isnt in charge of anything.
I don't know, Trav. If you get past Freethinker's extreme philosophy and usually insulting demeanor, you'll often find a couple nuggets of insight. The Red Scare and this decade's terrorist scare do share some parallels. We have the benefit of hindsight when we think of the Red Scare; that's something we lack when we look to the Middle East at the moment. However, one need only look to the Red Scare to see how things will likely roll out.

The dozens of Muslim US citizens detained at airports nationwide were and are not terrorists, save perhaps a very small minority. This decade's terrorist scare is threatening our personal liberties, especially if you happen to "look" like a terrorist. We certainly want everyone to be safe, but not at the expense of our freedoms. This is something we must take extreme care with.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." --George Santayana

Originally posted by BorgHunter
"You people"? What, people thinking for themselves and questioning the party line are now, in your words, more subversive than the enemy, i.e. terrorists? You've said a lot of stupid, inane stuff, Prae...but this takes the cake. "Oh no, someone thinking for himself, let's attack him until he bends to the view of the collective!"

And the "real man" part...nice. Not only can you not stand anything but groupthink, but you have to throw around your machismo, too...

I'm to old to bend to ANY collective, particularly when the collective membership consists of men of Prae's thinking. Perhaps time will reveal truth's that will broaden his horizen. Let's hope it won't be to late.

Welcome back trav

Originally posted by BorgHunter
The dozens of Muslim US citizens detained at airports nationwide were and are not terrorists, save perhaps a very small minority. This decade's terrorist scare is threatening our personal liberties, especially if you happen to "look" like a terrorist. We certainly want everyone to be safe, but not at the expense of our freedoms. This is something we must take extreme care with.

A scarier threat is NOT paying closer attention to the Muslim passengers out of PC fears. Here's an exchange between John Lehman and Condoleeza Rice at the 9/11 hearings:
Lehman: "Were you aware that it was the policy...to fine airlines if they have more than two young Arab males in secondary questioning because that's discriminatory?"

Rice replied: "No, I have to say that the kind of inside arrangements for the FAA are not really in my....

Lehman: "Well, these are not so inside."

Lehman later said: We had testimony a couple of months ago from the past president of United, and current president of American Airlines that kind of shocked us all. They said under oath that indeed the Department of Transportation continued to fine any airline that was caught having more than two people of the same ethnic persuasion in a secondary line for line for questioning, including and especially, two Arabs."

http://www.brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/reviews.detail/book_id/1402/Flying%20Blind.htm

the biggest thing we have to fear is insane political correctness parading around as "very serious concern". Administrations come and go, political correctness will always be here, getting bigger and bigger until it corrects us right into the ground. Of all the things that are dangerous to this country, out of control political correctness is NEVER mentioned by the right wing media. In fact, 85% of all the media stories out there proclaim the great benefit government programs and political correctness bestow on our endangered country. Quickly followed by the low poll numbers of George Bush and Arnold Swartzenegger, followed by a story about how scared the Muslim community is to live here among all these people who are bound to commit hate crimes sooner or later, and a stern warning about how we must be very careful this never happens. A short blurb about 2 captured terrorists were coerced into admitting they attended terrorist camps in Pakistan and a parade of character witnesses saying how noble and hard working these guys are and how evil and unjustified the FBI is voiced over a shot of 3 or 4 protestors demanding their release. same shit, different day.

Thanks for the welcome back dop

Originally posted by Echo2
Americans bombed Iraq and killed many innocent Iraqis.

Originally posted by Decka
i don't disagree with that... unfortunately innocents died.... but it wasn't our intent.

PLease explain how we bombed cities and didn't expect any innocents to die? How the hell could it not be our intent to kill civilians when we drop bombs on city streets and houses and hospitals and schools and buildings?

and wedding parties ... several times ...

Intentionally? Just curious what you think.

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
I'm to old to bend to ANY collective, particularly when the collective membership consists of men of Prae's thinking. Perhaps time will reveal truth's that will broaden his horizen. Let's hope it won't be to late.
Oh, and I suppose your five posts here give you profound "insight" on what I'm actually thinking. Do me a favor, and kindly shut the fuck up. Thanks.

dude, the proper phrase is STFU, get with it man! :D

All signs point toward the wedding parties being intentional.

If it's only occurance then I give them a pass based on the clinton-pharmaceutical-plant-defense but when it's done more than once, uh-uh ...

Den Hague is waiting.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
"You people"? What, people thinking for themselves and questioning the party line are now, in your words, more subversive than the enemy, i.e. terrorists? You've said a lot of stupid, inane stuff, Prae...but this takes the cake. "Oh no, someone thinking for himself, let's attack him until he bends to the view of the collective!"

And the "real man" part...nice. Not only can you not stand anything but groupthink, but you have to throw around your machismo, too...
Hey - there's no sense in being a snide little prick, is there Borg?

I know, I know....stick to what you're good at it, right?

Oh, and for your information, I wasn't throwing around my "machismo" - I simply don't respect a cock who feels it necessary to send a nasty PM to someone who didn't deserve one in the first place. As for your assessment of my "stupid, inane" commentary - well, consider it noted. Btw, don't you think your crime fighting skills would be better suited for the position of hall monitor at school? Just a thought…

I believe we need a Team America quote:
"We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit! "

We have to remember the one before it too:
"Guy in Bar: See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!"

Take note though, Joe Muslim is not an asshole, and neither are Liberal pussies, so you should go after the real assholes, not the pussies that are covered in shit.

I've seen threads change topic before, but really...:eek:

Welcome to allForums Ralph. :D

Waaaaay off topic

The movie 'Office Space' is starting right now on AMC (California time)

Yeahhhhhhh, I'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday.

I've been practicing that 'Yeahhhhhhh' forever and still can't get it down.

Hey Dop. Whaaat's happenin. Listen, if you could come in on Saturday, that would be great...

You guys sound just like Lumberg

ROTF

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Oh, and I suppose your five posts here give you profound "insight" on what I'm actually thinking. Do me a favor, and kindly shut the fuck up. Thanks.

Lets talk about profound "insite" Are you telling me that in your 3292 posts that none of it was what you were actually thinking?
Let's see, since 7/1/04 that comes to 9.24 posts per day. You are a busy boy expounding on subjects that aren't your true thoughts. In your 28 years of wisdom one could only assume that your vocabulary would be expanded enough to express yourself without the use of profanity. it's not at all becoming a man of your self aclaimed knowledge. Perhapes a little more reading and less talk would be in order. In any event you have my sympathy, but no respect, and above all no favors. Sorry son, your just stuck with this old man.

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
In your 28 years of wisdom one could only assume that your vocabulary would be expanded enough to express yourself without the use of profanity. it's not at all becoming a man of your self aclaimed knowledge.

:D Hee Hee.

Perhapes a little more reading and less talk would be in order. In any event you have my sympathy, but no respect, and above all no favors. Sorry son, your just stuck with this old man.

This could get interesting.

:corn:

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
Lets talk about profound "insite" Are you telling me that in your 3292 posts that none of it was what you were actually thinking?



welcome to alforums.

Okay, you codger, let me help you out here -

First off,

In-sight: (n.) The capacity to discern the true nature of a situation; penetration. "Insite" doesn't exist, but in your 70+ years of knowledge, somehow this tiny piece of information escaped you.

Secondly, more reading and less talking would serve to benefit anyone, especially someone who doesn't know how or when to use the proper contraction of you and are.

Thirdly, I wasn't looking for your respect. I appreciate your perspective and the fact that you served our nation, but right now - I could care less if I have your phony sympathy or not. After all, I'm not the one who's going to be dead in 10 years.

Lastly, I can't recall once asking you for any favors. On that subject, here's a tip: just as the strength of a solitary brick will not save a poorly built structure, your pseudo knowledge won't redeem your weak words.

Good day, SIR.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
:D Hee Hee.
That's not funny.....:)

You're draft age (up to the age of and including 39) praetorian so don't be so quick to say you won't be dead in 10 years.

After all ... you are no more than cannon fodder for your buds in the white house.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Okay, you codger, let me help you out here -

First off,

In-sight: (n.) The capacity to discern the true nature of a situation; penetration. "Insite" doesn't exist, but in your 70+ years of knowledge, somehow this tiny piece of information escaped you.

Secondly, more reading and less talking would serve to benefit anyone, especially someone who doesn't know how or when to use the proper contraction of you and are.

Thirdly, I wasn't looking for your respect. I appreciate your perspective and the fact that you served our nation, but right now - I could care less if I have your phony sympathy or not. After all, I'm not the one who's going to be dead in 10 years.

Lastly, I can't recall once asking you for any favors. On that subject, here's a tip: just as the strength of a solitary brick will not save a poorly built structure, your pseudo knowledge won't redeem your weak words.

Good day, SIR.



#1 Thank you, I'm usually to referd to as the "OLD CODGER"

#2 Got me on the "insite" but my "eyesite" isn't much better.

#3 I'll work on the contractions too.

#4 As for the 10 years left to go who knows I have no "insite" there either. I do know the dieing process starts the day we are born, and today was the first day of the rest of my life.

#5 I as I recall you asked me to "do you a favor and STFU."
sorry won't happen.

#6 Words of them selves are never weak it's a matter of how folks arrange them.

Lastly in the words of Lungdop Philing have a nice day Mr. "Cannon Fodder"

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
#1 Thank you, I'm usually to referd to as the "OLD CODGER"

#2 Got me on the "insite" but my "eyesite" isn't much better.

#3 I'll work on the contractions too.

#4 As for the 10 years left to go who knows I have no "insite" there either. I do know the dieing process starts the day we are born, and today was the first day of the rest of my life.

#5 I as I recall you asked me to "do you a favor and STFU."
sorry won't happen.

#6 Words of them selves are never weak it's a matter of how folks arrange them.

Lastly in the words of Lungdop Philing have a nice day Mr. "Cannon Fodder"
Ralph, you've been here four days and you've already:

-Started a 50-reply thread.
-Started a flame war.
-About you, no less.
-Made an enemy.
-Made some allies.

Stick around. You're fitting in nicely here. :)

Originally posted by Brooks
thank you for the apology, but it wasn't necessary. It was refreshing because no one apologizes here (myself included).


I just noticed this post and want to tell EVERYONE I'm sorry. There now I feel refreshed, lets have a great big huge group hug.....................Vile quit touching me there. :D :D :D

Originally posted by Ralph Saxton
#5 I as I recall you asked me to "do you a favor and STFU."
sorry won't happen.
Oops, you got me! I did say that. :( Anyway, I'm sorry, Ralph, and welcome to Allforums. You seem like an interesting guy...lets not fight. Besides, we're all here to learn something from each other (hopefully).

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Oops, you got me! I did say that. :( Anyway, I'm sorry, Ralph, and welcome to Allforums. You seem like an interesting guy...lets not fight. Besides, we're all here to learn something from each other (hopefully).

Great! You have my apology too. let's come to the peace table.
I promise, no more cheap shots. Please remember I'm an "old codger"and it's hard to teach this old dog new tricks.
May the "FORCE BE WITH YOU".

lets all smoke a peace pipe

Originally posted by Travh20
lets all smoke a peace pipe

I'll walk across to Canada and meet you back in 5 ;)

Originally posted by Travh20
lets all smoke a peace pipe

Well let's not go that far, it didn't work for the Native Americans,
but, I can live with leaving the mud slinging to the politicians. Granted not as much fun tho.