Found Tim Robbin's (The Shawshank Redemption) comments on his film 'Embedded -Live!' which he's written and directed. Sounds like strong stuff:

DIRECTOR’S COMMENTARY

In May of 2003 I decided to focus my frustration and anger, taking my pile of collected articles and scribbled notes, to try to tell the story of our reckless neo-conservative administration’s march to war, of the unmitigated failure of our press, some who acted more like courtesans than journalists, and also of the tragedy that results when young men and women are asked to engage violently with strangers in a hostile land.

Embedded Live was born as a play, which we first performed in a 30-seat theater in Los Angeles in July 2003. The response was intense and immediate, the laughter nervous and angry. Embedded Live became a film because of that first audience and every audience we’ve played to since, from Los Angeles and New York City to London to anational tour in the United States. It was not critical acceptance that led to the filming of this story but rather the negative reviews, the hostile attacks of the media establishment, the soldier crying in my arms in the lobby of the theater, the people who traveled 1,000miles to see it, the vibrant audience discussions after the play and the encouragement and support of war correspondents recently returned from Iraq. They gave us the mandate to perform Embedded and they gave us the mandate to film it.

Is it theater? Is it a film? Documentary? I don’t know. What I do know is that it is amoment captured, a moment that is still with us. Now, after almost 1,600 Americans and 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died, after our actions have increased recruitment for terrorist groups worldwide and alienated our most trusted Allies, now that our press finally reports what I and others read three years ago in the alternative press and British newspapers, now is the time for American artists to (turn) truth to power. Whether through satire,documentaries, pop songs or films, whether these stories are seen by many or ignored,whether they are loved or reviled, now is the time to testify, to stand up and be counted.

Go to www.embeddedlive.com for more information on this.

Anyone know what the reaction to this is? Wondered what the feeling is out there in the States.

I only know Tim Robbins as the actor. He's spot on as Ian in High Fidelity - but best known for 'Shawshank' of course. I thought he was good in the Hudsucker Proxy, too. Seems like a sincere sort of actor.
Interesting....



But...

....I did see Tim Robbin's puppet in Team America a few days ago... and I don't know...
I kinda' think I saw a psychotic side to him...

But it's true that there's a lot of power to be had in film. - Symbolism, suggestion, ect...
If the artist/filmmaker has a platform for their politics -it's only because they have found their niche in the gap the media have failed to address.

Peace, Basstone

Hey, good for him if he wants to make a movie about his political views, etc.

I find myself wondering if he has any hobbies or anything. Seems to spend 24 hours/day thinking about how much he hates Republicans. Doesn't seem very healthy. Of course I often wonder the same thing about some of the people on this board.

Originally posted by LionelHutz

I find myself wondering if he has any hobbies or anything.

His hobby seems to be fighting against the unrelenting lies, warmongering and wrongdoing of the corrupt political leadership in America.

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There were never any WMDs, and Bush knew it. Our military is protecting nothing so much as our access to future stores of petroleum, nothing so much as securing control of the oil fields in the Middle East. Is that a worthy use of the massive bloated machine that is the U.S. military? To protect the flow of oil to the most gluttonous and wasteful and least accountable developed nation on the planet? Is this worth so many young American lives?

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Of course I often wonder the same thing about some of the people on this board.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
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Originally posted by LionelHutz

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Of course I often wonder the same thing about some of the people on this board.

Allow me to be the first to commend you on the astounding profundity of your reply.

Really.

Kierkegaard would be absolutely green with envy.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Allow me to be the first to commend you on the astounding profundity of your reply.


You forgot to make fun of the way I talk.

It's not the way you talk that we make fun of, it's what you say.

I have never read any post on this board by anyone that states "I hate republicans". You may need to infer that in your own mind to vilify the left for disagreeing with you, but that does not make it fact. Most liberals see republicans as sadly delushioned, easily led people who have no idea they are voting against their better interests. That does not constitute hate.

BS echo....

thats like me rattling off EVERY racist joke in the book, saying black people are inferior, actually going out and being ACTIVE(like you are) on the anti-black front.... and then saying "i never said "I hate blacks".......

you dont have to say the words to show what you mean.

You must have a really low threshold for hatred of others if you can come to that conclusion. Most people don't hate that easily.

You may need to infer that in your own mind to vilify the left for disagreeing with you, but that does not make it fact.

As much garbage as the righties throw at me and other liberals on this board one could infer that they "hate" liberals. However, we are knowledgeable enough to know that disagreeing with and disliking what you stand for does not constitute hatred.

It would be fair to say I think conservatives are unknowledgeable, easily swayed individuals who have no idea they are harming themselves. But hatred? You give yourselves more importance than is merited.

Originally posted by Echo2
It's not the way you talk that we make fun of, it's what you say.

I was referring strictly to FT's love of posting such things as "I'm Amuurican and I hate libruls. You know, that Kierkegaard-level material.

Originally posted by Echo2
Most liberals see republicans as sadly delushioned, easily led people who have no idea they are voting against their better interests. That does not constitute hate.

Not being a Republican, I don't know that I care that much, but I defend them against such statements because I see them as equally silly. Republicans do tend to vote against their own interests, though. Democrats vote themselves and their constitutants all sorts of government programs. Republicans tend not to.

I tend to see many (I won't say most) liberals as putting feelings and emotions over logic and common sense.

Bassnote,

The stuff that floats across these boards is simply amazing, Echo spoke of people being easily swayed and I can say that, when it comes to liberals, that statement has never been more true.

Out of curiosity, bassnote, do you even know the root of conflict between the West and Islam? Think REAL hard before replying.


Also, the very idea that somehow America should be ashamed that "our most trusted allies" are now against us is an out and out joke. Which allies do you refer to? The French? Who seem never to miss an oppurtunity to stick their finger in America's eye? Who profited from the Oil for Food Scandal and got fat and happy while tens of thousands of Iraqis were put in mass graves. Ditto for the Germans and the Russians. How about the U.N. and Kofi Anan? These guys kick the U.S. off the Human Rights commission and put in their place some of the worst human rights violaters on the planet. Amongst those more famous are China and Libya. Then there is the Oil For Food Scandal and that some bitch Kofi Anan. THAT sorry excuse for a human being had the biggest monetary scandal in the history of the world happen on his watch and has the absolute gall to say he had no idea. His son was apperantly hip deep in the scandal but Anan knew NOTHING about it. Yeah, right! Then there is the vaunted Amnesty International who declared that the U.S. is running the last remaining gulag in the world or some such idiocy. I'm guessing the gulags run by North Korea and China don't count, nor what is happening in Rwanda counts as anything truly bad either.

Out of curiosity, what does the U.N. actually DO anyway? Outside of abusing Israel and run up huge parking tickets fines in New York?

There is a saying that one can judge a person by the quality of their enemies. So who hates the U.S.? There's the spineless, money grubbing Euroweenies who don't care what kind of human rights abuses are happening so long as its somewhere ELSE! Then there are the Chi-Coms and the North Koreans who rank up there with Stalin for sending people to the gulag and gunning down dissenters or those who want reform. The jihadists in the form of Bin Laden who want good ol' fashioned Islam which calls for a good holy war every so often to purge the Earth of infidels, homosexuals, atheists and pagans. You can't forget Leftist idiots like Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Madeline Albright who went and GAVE Communist North Korea nuclear material if they just promise to be good commies and not go and make bombs from that material. :rolleyes: Yeah, against that group of people, the U.S. comes off looking pretty damn good.

I don't give a rat's rear end what "others" think of the U.S., we are doing the right thing.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal

The stuff that floats across these boards is simply amazing,

I agree.

Here's one of the most amazing (i.e., amazingly insane) comments----

""There is a saying that one can judge a person by the quality of their enemies. So who hates the U.S.? You can't forget Leftist idiots like Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Madeline Albright ......""

So.

Bill Clinton was a "Leftist".....who hates the US.

Jimmy Carter is another "Leftist" who "hates the US".

Madeline Albright "hates" the US.

Amazing, no???

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I don't give a rat's rear end what "others" think of the U.S.

I for one believe you.

Democrats vote themselves and their constitutants all sorts of government programs. Republicans tend not to. Unless you count the trillions of dollars we spend for helicopters that do not fly, cannons that do not shoot, missle defense rockets which can't even lift off the freaking ground. But those aren't programs... No sir, those are NOT programs, they're... they're... tax cuts in the form of large expenditures. To the lobbyists and industries who who need them the most. Yeah, that's the ticket. Say that over and over a thousand times and it starts to make sense.

I'm guessing the gulags run by North Korea and China don't count, nor what is happening in Rwanda counts as anything truly bad either. I'm guessing that Rwanda could break down into genocide by cannibalism we would not send one marine over there. Leave THAT to the UN. Unless someone discovers a couple of billion barrels of crude oil reserves under all that mess. Then we'll be over there lickety split to sort things out.

China? We could easily exert all sorts of leverage against China forcing them to protect human rights and abide by treaties like, well, let's forget the Geneva Convention for now, but other treaties. Only problem is Georgie-Boy is under strict instructions from Sam Walton not to go there. So there's really nothing we can do about those Chinese fellers.

Remind me again who our staunch allies are over there? The real ones, not the ones we bought. World opinion, and especially the opinion inside Iraq, is decidedly against us. Some of it is the Oil-for-Food money talking, but most of it is not. It's because George is such a hypocrite and everyone sees that.

Originally posted by Echo2
You must have a really low threshold for hatred of others if you can come to that conclusion. Most people don't hate that easily.

You may need to infer that in your own mind to vilify the left for disagreeing with you, but that does not make it fact.

As much garbage as the righties throw at me and other liberals on this board one could infer that they "hate" liberals. However, we are knowledgeable enough to know that disagreeing with and disliking what you stand for does not constitute hatred.

It would be fair to say I think conservatives are unknowledgeable, easily swayed individuals who have no idea they are harming themselves. But hatred? You give yourselves more importance than is merited.
I don't even know where to start...

Suffice it to say that despite your insults, I think it would be fair to say that you're an egregiously boorish, contemptible half-wit who wouldn't know a decent point if one bit you in the ass.

Just when I think, "Surely this person has reached and encapsulates the limits of Internet tedium" you go and push the boundary even further. Oh, and in the future, kindly proofread your posts before assaulting the unsuspecting readers of this message board with a litany of misspellings, grammatical errors, and other verbal atrocities before calling them, "unknowledgeable".

Prae, that is the nicest thing you have said to me yet. If you are put off by my posts then I know I am on the right track. You aprove of torture and vote for fascists - that pretty much sums up your credibility as an intellegent, well rounded, informed person.

As for my spelling, you have been warned numerous times that I am a bad speller and a bad typist. So if you are offended by my spelling the fault is yours for reading the post in the first place.

Good day.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Bassnote,

The stuff that floats across these boards is simply amazing, Echo spoke of people being easily swayed and I can say that, when it comes to liberals, that statement has never been more true.

Out of curiosity, bassnote, do you even know the root of conflict between the West and Islam? Think REAL hard before replying.


Also, the very idea that somehow America should be ashamed that "our most trusted allies" are now against us is an out and out joke. Which allies do you refer to? The French? Who seem never to miss an oppurtunity to stick their finger in America's eye? Who profited from the Oil for Food Scandal and got fat and happy while tens of thousands of Iraqis were put in mass graves. Ditto for the Germans and the Russians. How about the U.N. and Kofi Anan? These guys kick the U.S. off the Human Rights commission and put in their place some of the worst human rights violaters on the planet. Amongst those more famous are China and Libya. Then there is the Oil For Food Scandal and that some bitch Kofi Anan. THAT sorry excuse for a human being had the biggest monetary scandal in the history of the world happen on his watch and has the absolute gall to say he had no idea. His son was apperantly hip deep in the scandal but Anan knew NOTHING about it. Yeah, right! Then there is the vaunted Amnesty International who declared that the U.S. is running the last remaining gulag in the world or some such idiocy. I'm guessing the gulags run by North Korea and China don't count, nor what is happening in Rwanda counts as anything truly bad either.

Out of curiosity, what does the U.N. actually DO anyway? Outside of abusing Israel and run up huge parking tickets fines in New York?

There is a saying that one can judge a person by the quality of their enemies. So who hates the U.S.? There's the spineless, money grubbing Euroweenies who don't care what kind of human rights abuses are happening so long as its somewhere ELSE! Then there are the Chi-Coms and the North Koreans who rank up there with Stalin for sending people to the gulag and gunning down dissenters or those who want reform. The jihadists in the form of Bin Laden who want good ol' fashioned Islam which calls for a good holy war every so often to purge the Earth of infidels, homosexuals, atheists and pagans. You can't forget Leftist idiots like Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Madeline Albright who went and GAVE Communist North Korea nuclear material if they just promise to be good commies and not go and make bombs from that material. :rolleyes: Yeah, against that group of people, the U.S. comes off looking pretty damn good.

I don't give a rat's rear end what "others" think of the U.S., we are doing the right thing.

Firstly, when you ask to whom I'm referring, Darth... I've got to tell you that if you read my post again, you'll see that it was Tim Robbins (under Directors Commentary) that said that. As far as I know, he is an American like you and there for, you probably have a better idea to who he is referring.

And that question you ask me:

"Out of curiosity, bassnote, do you even know the root of conflict between the West and Islam? Think REAL hard before replying."

You've asked me that before, and even told me to "Think REAL hard before replying," that time too.
Are you a teacher? What makes you expect an answer?

My interest in all this comes from a film-making point of view. I'm working with digital film as part of my Fine Art BA.

Yes, I think Blair is a Bush-Licker.
Yes, I think Bush is a Lying, Scum-Bag.

However, I'm a working-class student with friends that don't necessarily vote the same as me. I hear your anger in the above post and I wonder.
Islam V West..... Right V Left .... US V Europe
?????
I'm talking about the power of film here - no matter what the message is.

And if I've got any political beef, it's not about my country or your country or any other country.
My biggest disappointment in 2005 is that POVERTY still goes on, all around the world... while the fat cats (of all nations) give us poor slobs something else to squabble about while they reap the benefits of their actions.
Of course, divide and rule, eh? Left V Right?

But we all want the same thing... Freedom.
And we all have the right to a decent life.
Maybe film can point that out to a few of the greedy wankers who continue to elevate themselves by climbing on the backs of the more vulnerable - in our own countries and in other peoples.

Peace, Bassnote

Originally posted by fluffernutter

Only problem is Georgie-Boy is under strict instructions from Sam Walton not to go there. So there's really nothing we can do about those Chinese fellers.


Dop, this is stupid, even by your standards.

And how did you get Fluff's password?

Originally posted by Bassnote
1. I'm talking about the power of film here - no matter what the message is.

2. Maybe film can point that out to a few of the greedy wankers who continue to elevate themselves by climbing on the backs of the more vulnerable - in our own countries and in other peoples.


1. The unfortunate thing about "the power of film" is that somebody would glean any insight or invest any credibility in what Tim Robbins, Maggie Gyllenhal or Emanuel Lewis have to say about a subject. If film has the power to sway anyone, then that's a shame.

2. It sounds like you're not just "talking about the power of film here - no matter what the message is".

Originally posted by Brooks
1. The unfortunate thing about "the power of film" is that somebody would glean any insight or invest any credibility in what Tim Robbins, Maggie Gyllenhal or Emanuel Lewis have to say about a subject. If film has the power to sway anyone, then that's a shame.


I felt the exact same way about the swifty liars. Only idiots would "glean any insight or invest any credibility" in what those lying bastards have to say. That is also the same way half the American public feels about the shrub and most of the rest of the world. Only idiots would "glean any insight or invest any credibility" in what that lying bastard has to say.

Most of the rest of the worlds population and about half the U.S. population see him for what he is. The holdout, american, religious right can see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil about their exaulted leader.

It only makes you guys mad that celebrities speak out politically because they are speaking against your almighty one. If they were talking about how wonderfull the shrub is you wouldn't be complaining at all.

Attack the messanger if you don't like the message. Great logic.

Originally posted by Echo2
Prae, that is the nicest thing you have said to me yet. If you are put off by my posts then I know I am on the right track. You aprove of torture and vote for fascists - that pretty much sums up your credibility as an intellegent, well rounded, informed person.

As for my spelling, you have been warned numerous times that I am a bad speller and a bad typist. So if you are offended by my spelling the fault is yours for reading the post in the first place.

Good day.
You're like watching Amputee Field Hockey: predictable and undistinguished. The fact that I was put off by your post is indicative of nothing more than realizing it reeked of idiocy. You claim Trav has a tendency to generalize; yet your entire post was a generalization. Way to go - hypocrisy by the spoonful. Your ineffective imitation of a good posting style only serves to illuminate your lack of substance.

Oh, and "Good Day" back at ya. :thumbs:

That goes for your last post as well.

Oh prae, I am so ashamed and humiliated by your words. I will spend the rest of the day in contemplation of my misguided ways. How nice it is to have a friend like you to point out my failings. How did I ever survive for 51 years without your input. >shuffles of in embarassment<

:D

Good - I see we have an understanding now. We'll work from there... :)

Originally posted by Echo2

Attack the messanger if you don't like the message. Great logic. I didn't attack the messenger (free speech and all that). I attacked the messagEE, who may assign any validity to how Joaquin Phoenix feels about the Palestinian Authority

Originally posted by Echo2
I felt the exact same way about the swifty liars. Only idiots would "glean any insight or invest any credibility" in what those lying bastards have to say. That is also the same way half the American public feels about the shrub and most of the rest of the world. Only idiots would "glean any insight or invest any credibility" in what that lying bastard has to say.


The difference is that elements of the media and other commentators have ripped into those you've listed above, but Tim Robbins is never questioned or criticized. Thanks for making my point.

Originally posted by Brooks
The difference is that elements of the media and other commentators have ripped into those you've listed above, but Tim Robbins is never questioned or criticized. Thanks for making my point.

Why should he be critisized? He isn't trying to pass his oppinion off as truth. He is saying what he feels and that is free speach.

Making up lies about another person and getting your wealthy friends to get them published like the swifties did is entirely different.

And purposely lieing to the Ameican public and the rest of the world to drag our country into an illegal and unwinable war like bush did isn't even comparable to useing ones fame to speak their oppinion.

Brooks, don't drop down to prae and travs level. You're better than that.

You build arguments on the sand of "Bush lied".

I'll say it again. I'm not criticizing Tim Robbins for having an opinion. I criticize any media for publishing it, and people who may be swayed by it.

Originally posted by Brooks
I'll say it again. I'm not criticizing Tim Robbins for having an opinion. I criticize any media for publishing it, and people who may be swayed by it.

OK, I'll agree with you on that.

Gee Bassnote,

Do I have to be a "teacher" to tell others what I know? In all fairness, I can't expect an answer from you, but it's few and far between when someone asks ME for an opinion of what I know, and I'm always delighted to give a response. Is that not what these boards are about?


I don't like your angst about "the rich" not only is such ways of thinking stupid in the extreme, it's counterproductive. I see very different reasons for poverty than you do and I don't blame "the rich" for it at all.

The reasons that the rich are rich are two fold. First off, Bill Gates is rich because he built a line of PCs plus software that zillions of people want. The president and CEOs of Boeing are rolling in the dough because they came up with a line of aircraft, in particular the 747, that were safe econimcal, comfortable and could wisk people from one point of the globe to another. People invent things, provide services, invest in ways that make themselves wealthy. Rather than despising the rich, your line of thinking should be "how can I get mine?"

The second reason for wealth, paricularly in the U.S. is that private property is protected, patents are enforced and trade is honored, even encouraged, democracy flourished, a system of govenment represented by the ordinary people and designed to be responsive to and protective of, those very people. The energy of people that, in the past, went into religious or tribal warfare was channeled into productivity, goods and services. Our form of government has made it possible for people off ALL ethnic and religious backgrounds to work together for the greater good of everyone. This is why the U.S. went from a scattered collection of colonies some three to five hundred years ago to a super power today, eclipseing cultures that have been around for thousands of years.

NOW, you point to the "rich" and blame them for poverty and misery of the "poor." I blame a lack of democracy, human rights abuses, lack of private property (read communism), no enforcement of patents a lack of capital to give a hard working poor person the money and tools he needs to rise above his station. Can we strip Bill Gates of his millions and give it to the poor? Sure can, but I'll guarantee and screeching halt to ANY kind of computer innovation. Who is going to work hard if there stuff is just taken from them? We can strip pharmacutical companies of their patents and sell the drugs they invent at dirt cheap prices, and you'll never see another medical breakthrough again. Is this what you want? Or can you better explain why you just don't see a lot of new innovations coming from the Sudan, Rwanda, the Middle East or North Korea?

If you refer to street level poverty, especially in the inner cities, who are you going to blame? The rich guy riding around in his BMW, or single parent families that don't give a damn what their children do and the kids themselves not caring about their future?


In reference to the play by Tim Robbins, I'm not impressed. At all. It's a piece of crap propaganda by someone who is ignorant of what really goes on in the world. It's "power" to do what? Fill people with bilge ideas? Tim Robbins doesn't know what evil is, the Left has no clue. They ignore it, hide it under the rug. The Left and the Euroweenies beat up on the United States because they KNOW the U.S. isn't going to hit back. The Left goes into a tizzy over a Koran being flushed down the toilet or the abuse at Abu Ghraib, but doesn't have the guts to denounce what happened to Dan Pearl or Eugene Armstrong. The Left criticized treatment of prisoners at Gitmo never mind the fact that in World War 2, German soldiers who were captured by the U.S. without their uniforms were hauled off someplace and shot. Or the fact that the Geneva Convention gives NO P.O.W. rights to terrorists or those who combatants who operate without a uniform OR that the terrorists themselves will kill, torture or use as a propaganda tool any U.S. soldier they are lucky enough to capture. The worst part of that play you referred to is this idea that terrorists have this infinite reservoir of people to call on to fight the U.S. This simply isn't true, and if our forces were left to do their job of fighting terrorists in Iraq, if the interogators at Gitmo were free to extract the info needed to fight terror cells in the Middle East, the war in Iraq would end that much quicker.

Dammit.

Darth, you say:
"Rather than despising the rich, your line of thinking should be "how can I get mine?"

Which sums up for me, why I tend towards the left. When I hear someone say something like that, I think,

No. Bollocks. That's not right, man... and even if you don't know it, I do. Isn't what we leave behind for future generations much more important?
Greed and Corruption V Human Rights?
What's to argue about?

You've been conditioned to see me as a 'looney'
leftie. Well... if caring about the state of humanity makes me crazy....I'm a raving fuckin* lunatic.

And I'm not going to apologise for it. Hell no.

I haven't seen Tim Robbin's film - so I can't comment on it - but I've watched Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. Have you?
Want the honest truth of what I thought walking out of the cinema?

There's a man who loves his country.


I can't debate with you on this indefinitely, Darth... because I don't really have the energy or care to.
Don't get mad at me just because I see achievement differently to you.
When I die, I go out with nothing - so why should I worry about how I am going to "get mine?" Life is too short. It's what I learn about myself that's important to me.

That's just who I am. Looney or not.

Peace, Bassnote

Originally posted by Bassnote

Greed and Corruption V Human Rights?
What's to argue about?


If that were the equation, there'd be nothing to argue about.

Unfortunately that's the equation in a rather small number of cases. The vast majority of companies, while certainly wanting to make money, are not pursuing that goal with lethal efficiency.

Originally posted by Bassnote
Darth, you say:
"Rather than despising the rich, your line of thinking should be "how can I get mine?"

Which sums up for me, why I tend towards the left. When I hear someone say something like that, I think,

No. Bollocks. That's not right, man... and even if you don't know it, I do. Isn't what we leave behind for future generations much more important?

Bass, You can "get yours" and still help people, you know. Ted Turner's donation to UNICEF, or Bill Gates's many donations have done more for people than an army of good thoughts and caring from people, like yourself, who despise their success.

In the end, who will leave more "behind for future generations".

Bass, You can "get yours" and still help people, you know. Ted Turner's donation to UNICEF, or Bill Gates's many donations have done more for people than an army of good thoughts and caring from people, like yourself, who despise their success.
While Bill Gates is a nice guy, I don't think you understand fully how he does buisness. There are very good reasons why he's compared to the reincarnation of Satan. At the rate he's going(and his goal) there will be nothing left but Microsoft. I don't think anybody here would actually understand though, it's a completely geeky thing. However, surface donations don't necessarily mean that what's going on is overall good.

Well then feel free to replace him with the philanthropist of your choosing if it distracts you from my point.

Well then feel free to replace him with the philanthropist of your choosing if it distracts you from my point.
I don't think there is such thing as a philathropist, they all want something out of it.

Originally posted by Blibblob
I don't think there is such thing as a philathropist, they all want something out of it.
I'm inclined to agree with you.

[i]Originally posted by Blibblob
I don't think there is such thing as a philathropist, they all want something out of it.

That may be true, but if you were the kids in Africa would you prefer 1,000 Bassnotes with happy kind thoughts or one selfish Ted Turner.

Bill Gates as the reincarnation of satan. SATAN! God good, people have no idea of what evil is. I can't believe people believe that stuff.


Suffice to say, when the day comes that Bill Gates comes to my house, points a gun at me, and FORCES me to buy and use his products, then, blibbob, and only then will I give your comments any credit at all.

The reason Microsoft and Bill Gates got to where they are today is the fact that they made something the vast majority of the computer wishes to buy. The sooner people understand that, the better.


Dammit.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Suffice to say, when the day comes that Bill Gates comes to my house, points a gun at me, and FORCES me to buy and use his products, then, blibbob, and only then will I give your comments any credit at all.
Darth, I think you make great points all the time, but essentially, Bill Gates HAS forced you to buy his products. Microsoft is probably THE MOST cutthroat organization on the planet. They should be affectionately known by all of us as "Larry the Liquidator" - a corporation with a smiling face. They're only rivaled by Wal-Mart - a serial offender of free market enterprise.

Originally posted by Brooks
That may be true, but if you were the kids in Africa would you prefer 1,000 Bassnotes with happy kind thoughts or one selfish Ted Turner.
Excellent point.

quote: Originally posted by Brooks
[That may be true, but if you were the kids in Africa would you prefer 1,000 Bassnotes with happy kind thoughts or one selfish Ted Turner.]


The Praetorian replied to this: [Excellent point.]

IS IT?


Brooks and Praetorian

I'll be thinking happy thoughts about you both when I'm marching in Edinburgh on July 6th.

When I'm e-mailing Kevin Benderman (not for the first time) - by the way he's one of yours...
have YOU been supporting him?

When I'm down-loading Open-Source software
(Linux)... (very happy thoughts..)

When I'm drinking a cup of FairTrade coffee.

I thought happy thoughts when my thesis earned me the chance to do an MA...
(It's about the cathartic use of art for the traumatised patient)...
The research for which, was not happy. The research for which I had to talk to a lot of brave people who greatly inspired me, but also deeply
re-enforced the anger in me...
Yeah, happy ol' Bassnote….

What doesn't make me happy is people who presume that they know all about other people … (going on nothing more than a few posts)…

Well, you go back to sucking on the Corporate tit….. and I'll do my thing.

Or d'you want to attack me some more?

I only ask because I'm interested in why people should slag off anyone who feels a sense of responsibility for the way the world is dividing into those with and those without.

Why you should wish to burst my 'happy' bubble - when I don't attack you on a personal level.
Is that what you do? Try to destroy other people's conviction?

I've finished posting here - so feel free to slag me as much as eventually makes you happy.
I will not be responding again on this thread - so go ahead.

Maybe slagging posters is cathartic for you.

[i]Originally posted by Bassnote

I will not be responding again on this thread.

I'm not surprised

Geez,

Someone comes here, posts an opinion, gets indignant that all here don't agree with him, then leaves in a huff.

This just goes to show something, I'm just not sure what.

Originally posted by Bassnote
Why you should wish to burst my 'happy' bubble - when I don't attack you on a personal level.
Is that what you do? Try to destroy other people's conviction?

I've finished posting here - so feel free to slag me as much as eventually makes you happy.
I will not be responding again on this thread - so go ahead.
You're truly unbelievable, Bassnote. I've been called thin-skinned in my day, but this is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Bassnote
I only ask because I'm interested in why people should slag off anyone who feels a sense of responsibility for the way the world is dividing into those with and those without.
The world is always going to operate under that dynamic, and NO amount of FairTrade coffee, open source software, or clowning around with trauma patients is ever going to change that. JMO.