Opinions?

Weed makes you happy and usually makes you laugh a lot. You can do some stupid shit while on weed, trust me, I would know. But to be honest, it's not as bad for you as alcohol or cigarettes. You do just as many stupid things while drunk as you do while smoking pot. Plus, cigarettes give you cancer and alcohol eats at your liver. All things that are bad for your health. Why make weed illegal? And regardless, even if weed is bad for you, which I'm not saying it's this wonderful-all-good-drug, what right does the Government have to not allow you to smoke it, when they allow alcohol and cigarettes? It's fairly stupid, if you ask me.

But aside from that, we aren't even talking about making it legal for everyone in America. We are talking about making it legal for people who are dying of cancer and other illnesses that cause intense pain. Why should they not be allowed to smoke pot? They are in pain and suffering, and if the Doctor says that's the only thing that will numb their pain, then we should be able to give them weed to ease their pain.

Also, it's the State's right to decide this. The Federal Government has no right coming in and telling another state they can't do this. The people of that state have spoken, the Federal Government has nothing to say about it since it is not going against the Constitution.

Having marijuana classified as at the same level as heroin is insane.

But the real issue here is states rights. The feds have been chipping away at them for years. Carter did it with the speed limit. Reagon did it, Bush is doing it with no child left nehind.

Those people should just come here to get it.........:D

I'm with OD on this issue. I've always declared that if my kids wanna smoke pot when they are adults - I certainly will not criticize them. Hell, marijuana is an all natural substance and it's been smoked for centuries. Certainly better than that meth crap that is made with chemicals that I can't even spell. And, like OD says, it is no worse (prob better) than cigarettes and alcohol. Besides, the sales of swiss cake rolls and doritos will skyrocket. :) I've done some of my best thinking and analyzing stoned outta my gourd.

I also agree that it should be up to the States to decide. If people are using it as a means of medication, what is the big deal? The drug companies won't be making much, if any, profit if pot were made legal. That's the real issue for our government...make the big business happy and piss on the little guy.

Interesting that some of the most conservative members of the Court came out on the dissenting side of this decision.

I think it's a crock. As Echo said, just another chip away at states' rights.

Originally posted by creetwins
Those people should just come here to get it.........:D

What is the status it's legality up north? First I heard it was legal then I heard that they did a reversal and re-criminalized it again.

What is the status it's legality up north? First I heard it was legal then I heard that they did a reversal and re-criminalized it again.

Well when it comes to grow houses and grow ops, they are pretty tight. Your next door neighbour could have a hyroponic grow house right in the middle of upscale suburbia, and you'd never know until it's busted. They are popping up all over the place, and the cops are always on those guys because they are usually mob related, asian usually. But when it comes to personal use and carrying, and paraphanelia, I could walk over to the mall, or the smoke shop and grab a bong, or a pipe, or screens or what ever you like. There is a huge market for that stuff, and the glass hand blown bongs can fetch a pretty penny you could spend hundreds on one in the hard core head shops. Carrying anything over an ounce is a no-no. Unless you have your ounce divided up into half quarters, that is considered traffiking and is a bad idea. If you have a few joints on you and you aren't driving, you get a fine. They don't take you in or anything, unless you are doing criminal things. (beating people, property damage, stealing) I thinkn the medical marijuana the govmnt is growing is so weaqk though that the patients are still going to the street to get the good strong hydro. They have no clue how to grow crops.....

OH CANADA! :D Thanks for the response. Canadians usually seem more sensible on lots of issues.

I am sure they would love to have a sensible, intelligent person such as yourself to enhance their great society tapeworm. Depending on where you live, it should only take a tank of gas or two to get there :D

Originally posted by Travh20
I am sure they would love to have a sensible, intelligent person such as yourself to enhance their great society tapeworm. Depending on where you live, it should only take a tank of gas or two to get there :D

Thank you, Trav! BTW I only live a five minute drive away and I could walk there from work. You should try to go there sometime. I think it would be an enlightening experience.

Of course alcohol and tobacco are legal because of the money involved. These corporations have always been able to contribute heavily to the Democratic and Republican parties.

There is also tremendous profits in the handling of illegal drugs by organized crime. These organizations can buy politicians "under-the-table."

States rights are definitely drying up.
"We the people," pertains more to the wealthy and influential in our country.

I am sure they would love to have a sensible, intelligent person such as yourself to enhance their great society tapeworm.

You saying we aren't a great society Trav? Your tone is hard to read sometimes. We have a lot less stress here. We're healthier. Our laws are relavent throughout the country. You do not have to worry about where you are, the rules apply everywhere, you know where you stand. Less people are murdered here. We aren't a terrorist target.

Originally posted by creetwins
You saying we aren't a great society Trav? Your tone is hard to read sometimes. We have a lot less stress here. We're healthier. Our laws are relavent throughout the country. You do not have to worry about where you are, the rules apply everywhere, you know where you stand. Less people are murdered here. We aren't a terrorist target.
:o Well, isn't that nice, Creetwins? No Government is perfect and for that matter, no country is perfect. Not to get into the whole "Canada vs. US" thing, but to be honest, I have hardly any respect for Canada. Yes, their laws regarding gays, and other issues I agree with. But to be honest, what have they done for the world that has made a huge positive impact on the world? I can't really think of one. What do they fight for? What have they done to stop world wars? Does Canada do much of anything?

Well, isn't that nice, Creetwins? No Government is perfect and for that matter, no country is perfect. Not to get into the whole "Canada vs. US" thing, but to be honest, I have hardly any respect for Canada. Yes, their laws regarding gays, and other issues I agree with. But to be honest, what have they done for the world that has made a huge positive impact on the world? I can't really think of one. What do they fight for? What have they done to stop world wars? Does Canada do much of anything?

Do you know much of anything? A lot of brilliant minds have created things here in Canada, that people like you use eveyday, clueless of their origins......regardless......I would rather live here than anywhere else in the world.......The U.S. makes a lot of noise and draws a lot of attention to itself, but do they really accomplish anything of substance?

Originally posted by creetwins
Do you know much of anything?
Yes, I do actually. Do you?

Originally posted by creetwins
A lot of brilliant minds have created things here in Canada, that people like you use eveyday
Every country has their inventions they've created. All countries have inventions we all use in our day to day life. But what else has Canada done, that other countries haven't already done?

Originally posted by creetwins
The U.S. makes a lot of noise and draws a lot of attention to itself, but do they really accomplish anything of substance?
At least the United States actually does something in the world. What the hell does Canada do? I hear people in Canada say how we are wrong on the Iraq War and how our policies around the world are wrong. And while I agree with that, what does Canada do but sit on their ass and bitch? I don't see Canada going out and trying to stop global terrorism. I don't see Canada donating as much to World AIDs or the Tsunami Fund or any other world issues as much as the United States does. What does Canada do to improve the world? We may be wrong in what we do sometimes, but at least we try to do something. And at least we stand for something. And at least we have done enough good in the world, that we can stand proud next to our name. For everything wrong we've done, we have done something equally as good. Without the United States the world would be very different. Without our help in World War II, who knows what the outcome could have been. And without us defeating the British to gain our independence, the world could be far different in terms of the "freedoms" many modern nations have. We have done so much. From World War I, World War II, to helping nations, donating tons of money, and actually trying to improve the world. I am proud to live here. What does Canada have to be proud of, besides a few inventions? Yes, your laws are more liberal and I agree with them, but I don't see Canada helping the world community, as much as the United States has in the past. Seriously, don't start saying how wonderful your country is, for I have yet to see Canada do anything "wonderful" to help the world community.

Originally posted by Tapeworm
Thank you, Trav! BTW I only live a five minute drive away and I could walk there from work. You should try to go there sometime. I think it would be an enlightening experience.

I have been to canada many times. BC, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec

Originally posted by Travh20
I have been to canada many times. BC, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec

and...

and..you told me I should go to canada to get enlightened, what are you stupid or just stoned?

I don't see Canada donating as much to World AIDs or the Tsunami Fund or any other world issues as much as the United States does.

What? Do you have any idea how much we did for them? There are actually mor Thai and Sri Lankan people here than in your country? If you looked you would find the information, maybe we just do it instead of flapping about "all the good we've done in the world"

What does Canada do to improve the world?

We lead by example, of how things could be instead of whining about how they should be.

Yes, your laws are more liberal and I agree with them, but I don't see Canada helping the world community, as much as the United States has in the past.

Then why would people rather come to Canada than the states?

People like you can't see past your own relfection to see the good other places have been doing.

I hear people in Canada say how we are wrong on the Iraq War and how our policies around the world are wrong. And while I agree with that, what does Canada do but sit on their ass and bitch?

Huh? Would you rather we storm all over the world and be a big bad bully telling everyone else in the world how to live? Is that more the kind of terms you country could identify with?

Both places have their high points and their faults, but at least our country doesn't make itself look like a buffoon. Your leader is a laughing stock around the world, and that is the person you all chose to represent you on a global scale. Now you have to live with the opinions of others looking in to tell America how they appear.

This Supreme Court is NOT an activiist court. Or, is it?

Originally posted by Saintte
This Supreme Court is NOT an activiist court. Or, is it?

For most people activist = issues decisions they disagree with.

Originally posted by creetwins
What? Do you have any idea how much we did for them? There are actually mor Thai and Sri Lankan people here than in your country? If you looked you would find the information, maybe we just do it instead of flapping about "all the good we've done in the world"
I doubt Canada did as much as America has done for those issues around the world.

We lead by example, of how things could be instead of whining about how they should be.
What examples have you set? What world action have you done that has "set an example" It's the United States who sets examples, and Canada just whines about how wrong the US is, but does not actually come up with a better plan to fight global terrorism.

Then why would people rather come to Canada than the states?
I think America gets the most people moving here (people from other countries) out of any country in the world. So, what is your point?

People like you can't see past your own relfection to see the good other places have been doing.
What have you done? Examples?

Huh? Would you rather we storm all over the world and be a big bad bully telling everyone else in the world how to live? Is that more the kind of terms you country could identify with?
I would rather have your country actually get off their ass and try and do something. Instead of telling the United States how wrong we are, why don't you go and DO what we SHOULD be doing.

Both places have their high points and their faults, but at least our country doesn't make itself look like a buffoon.
A buffoon? Yeah, sorry we stopped Nazism from taking over the world. Damn America! And didn't the United States set the modern example of Democracy? In which your country took ideas from? And at least we try and do something, and we try to do what is right. All Canada does is just sit on their ass and bitch about how wrong the US is, but does nothing to help the situation.

Your leader is a laughing stock around the world
And your country as a whole is a huge laughing stock to many people around the world. What has Canada done to help the world community? Have you helped win any World Wars? Have you done much of anything to improve the world?

and that is the person you all chose to represent you on a global scale.
It's funny because at least our leader is known throughout the world. What he's doing may be wrong, but why dosen't Canada go out and do what is right in the world, if we are so wrong?

A buffoon? Yeah, sorry we stopped Nazism from taking over the world. Damn America! And didn't the United States set the modern example of Democracy? In which your country took ideas from? And at least we try and do something, and we try to do what is right. All Canada does is just sit on their ass and bitch about how wrong the US is, but does nothing to help the situation.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and patriotism is a good thing, but I think it is better to start taking care odf the people AT HOME before being qualified to "save the world"

ANd if you must know, America and Canada took the idea of democracy from my people, so in no way is credit due to America. You think flashing guns and bombs is a good way to get things done. The quality of life is much better in Canada, our people are healthier, and our country is less polluted, although we do enjoy mass amounts of pollution blowing up from your country . Thanks.

And your country as a whole is a huge laughing stock to many people around the world.

Umm yah, right. Where have you been in the world to know this? Why do you think we proudly put Canadian flags on our luggage? Cause no one wants to be caught dead being mistaken for an American. The world loves Canada.

Wow Cree...I never realized you hated the U.S. so much.

I would rather have your country actually get off their ass and try and do something. Instead of telling the United States how wrong we are, why don't you go and DO what we SHOULD be doing.

I think you are referring to the war in Iraq. It's our cops who are stetting a global example how to stop child porn on the net. It's our DART team who brought in the equipment for fresh water to the islands after the Tsunami. We set an example by treating our citizens like equals and setting a high standard for living and health care.

Where do you think all the slaves ran to to escape your slavery.

Do you know where the underground railrod ended? Canada bro.

Wow Cree...I never realized you hated the U.S. so much.
Sounds like a perfectly acceptable reaction to OD's uneducated nationalistic bullshit...

Wow Cree...I never realized you hated the U.S. so much.

The thing is I DON"T hate the U.S. or it's citizens. I FEAR the U.S. much like the rest of the world. I fear it's a ticking time-bomb, and as your closest neighbours I'm afraid we might go down with you.

Some things about Canada.

"
Canada has one of the world's highest standards of living.
Canada is viewed as the most desirable country in the world to live in.
The United Nations has ranked Canada as the Best country in the world for overall quality of life for seven consecutive years.


Canada is one of the leading Developed Countries and is a member of the enviable G-8 group of countries.


It has the richest per capita income even among the G-8 countries.


Canada is the world's second largest country by size but has a very low population of only just over 30 million (3 crores). "

LINK (http://www.greenwesterncanada.com/)

Originally posted by Overdose
A buffoon? Yeah, sorry we stopped Nazism from taking over the world.

Well, we did help bring about the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII, but Germany would have been defeated without our help.


What has Canada done to help the world community? Have you helped win any World Wars? Have you done much of anything to improve the world?

Yes, Canada has helped win both World War I and II, in fact in both wars their troops were actively fighting long before we were involved as a nation.

Things Canada has contributed to the world...

Were it not for Canadians, the world would be devoid of paint rollers, snowmobiles and five-pin bowling.

There would be no electric organ, green ink or multiplex movie theatres.

Where would the world be without green garbage bags, zippers and ginger ale?

Without Canada, time as we know it would end. Sir Sanford Fleming, a Scottish immigrant to the New World, devised the world's 24-zone standard time system.

Rather than wither in the winter cold, Canadians pulled the toques down over their ears and invented snowmobiles, the electric car heater and the snowblower.

Thank Canada for toboggans.

It is arguably the most ethnically diverse country in the world.

Canada has the highest population of Icelanders outside Iceland and the most Italians outside Italy.

Of all the road accidents that occur in Canada, 0.3 per cent involve a moose.( A Møøse once bit my sister...:D)

Canada boasts the longest gum wrapper chain in the world - 10,387 metres- according to the Guiness book of world records, and the most push-ups in an hour - 3,416.

Canadians hold the record for pogo-stick jumping and the largest hug. They baked the world's largest cherry pie, made the world's largest block of cheese and hold the world kissing title for the most couples smooching simultaneously.

Maybe it's not cabin fever, but brain freeze. A 7-Eleven store in Winnipeg sells more Slurpees per capita than anywhere else in the world.

Canadians eat more Kraft dinner and Albertans more Jello. Details were not available on the favoured flavour.

And who else but the first nation of hockey could have invented Plexiglas, the goalie mask or the referee whistle?

Since beer is practically a sport unto itself in Canada, Vancouver's Steve Pasjack came up with those built-in, tuck-away handles for beer cases in 1957.

And women can blame Canada. Montreal's Canadelle company invented the push-up bra in 1964 and Dennis Colonello invented the abdominizer in 1984.

http://www.canada.com/national/features/canadaday2004/story.html?id=9c334062-3f2e-49a4-892b-d9f0890c6da8



It's funny because at least our leader is known throughout the world.

Which is of course, not neccessarily a good thing.

From the CIA factbook:

Infant mortality rate:
total: 4.75 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 5.21 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 4.27 deaths/1,000 live births (2005 est.)
As compared to the US's
total: 6.5 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 7.17 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.8 deaths/1,000 live births (2005 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 80.1 years
male: 76.73 years
female: 83.63 years (2005 est.)
as compared to:
total population: 77.71 years
male: 74.89 years
female: 80.67 years (2005 est.)

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
0.3% (2003 est.)
as compared to:
0.6% (2003 est.)

Also, with the US's extreme spending power, economic aid donations fall around 0.05% of the GDP, whereas Canada's is about 0.2%.

Oh, and the gap between the poor and the rich is smaller:
Household income or consumption by percentage share:
lowest 10%: 2.8%
highest 10%: 23.8% (1994)
as compared to:
lowest 10%: 1.8%
highest 10%: 30.5% (1997)

I think America gets the most people moving here (people from other countries) out of any country in the world. So, what is your point?

You think but you don't know.

Immigrants make up 12%of the U.S. population, and 19.1% of the Canadian population.

Creetwins

I think you are referring to the war in Iraq. It's our cops who are stetting a global example how to stop child porn on the net.
And you don't think people in America are trying to stop child porn?

It's our DART team who brought in the equipment for fresh water to the islands after the Tsunami.
And America gave the most money and used the Red Cross to help the Tsunami Victims.

We set an example by treating our citizens like equals and setting a high standard for living and health care.
Yes, how does that help the world community? Setting an example? Yeah, wow. Good job guys!

Do you know where the underground railrod ended? Canada bro.
Regardless, where did your country get their ideals that your Government is based around? America bro.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and patriotism is a good thing, but I think it is better to start taking care odf the people AT HOME before being qualified to "save the world"
You see, if your people are so "taken care of at home", then why don't you go out and start fighting terrorism the right way? Why don't you go out and start doing large amounts of good in the world? Instead of just laying back and screaming about how wrong the United States is. You say you lead by example...well then go out and actually set an example, don't just complain about how the United States is doing it wrong, if you can't offer and or do something better for the world community. I've yet to see something from Canada that has made a huge impact on any World Wars or any huge world issues. Care to name a few?

ANd if you must know, America and Canada took the idea of democracy from my people, so in no way is credit due to America.
Wrong. We may have gotten it from the Romans, but we were the first country in "modern times" to actually take these ideals and put them to extreme use in a Government system.

You think flashing guns and bombs is a good way to get things done.
In some cases yes.

The quality of life is much better in Canada, our people are healthier, and our country is less polluted, although we do enjoy mass amounts of pollution blowing up from your country . Thanks.
And our country has helped the world community in far more ways then your country will ever do. Just because a few of our decisions are incorrect, does not mean we can disregard all of the past good our nation has done. Thanks.

Cause no one wants to be caught dead being mistaken for an American. The world loves Canada.
The world is in-different about Canada, because you do nothing for the world to have a reason to hate you. But then you also do nothing for the world to have a reason to love you. Yeah, good plan you guys have going.

Vilepagan

Well, we did help bring about the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII, but Germany would have been defeated without our help.
I disagree. Here is why. Germany had control over France and was winning against the British. Yes, his war with Russia could have made him lose, but without America the war could have gone on for another 10, or even 20 years. Hitler was close to building an Atomic Bomb, in 10 or 20 years he could have created one. Also, what about the Japaneses? We were the main country fighting against them in the Pacific. Japan and Germany made treaties in the 30's (I think), and Japan could have attacked Russia. Japan was a strong nation, and they had a lot of control over China at the time. They could have attacked Russia from China and other places. And with the power of the Japanese, and Germans, I'm sure they could have defeated Russia. Had we not gotten invovled, the war was a toss up in my eyes on who was going to win.

Yes, Canada has helped win both World War I and II, in fact in both wars their troops were actively fighting long before we were involved as a nation.
Yes, they may have been fighting before, but please tell me, how many troops/money did they send total? And then compare it to how many troops/money we sent total.

As for your list, I'm sure America has a list just as long. Every nation gives something to the world in terms of "inventions"

.Yes, they may have been fighting before, but please tell me, how many troops/money did the send total? And then compare it to how many troops/money we sent total.


*sigh* check the population comparison...

As for the world, we do our part if you would care to look before attacking rabidly and displaying your ignorance. As for the rest, who gives a crap...I doubt you personally have done much for the universe in general at this point so attaching yourself to a country and puffing out your chest with pride hardly means much. Hopefully you will learn to check your facts and learn to embrace the diverse nature of every country without the need to feel superior... it isnt' a pretty display.

Originally posted by ~Sal~
*sigh* check the population comparison...

USSR (12,500,000); United States (12,245,000); Germany (10,938,000); British Empire and Commonwealth (8,720,000); Japan (7,193,000); and China (5,000,000).
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563737_15/World_War_II.html#s71

Okay, they didn't mention how many troops Canada sent over...I can't seem to find it...but I know 42,000 Canadians died in the war and 400,000 American died. If you could find how many troops Canada sent over with a link that is a "fact book" or something that is reasonable, we could figure it out.

Also,
The United States spent the most money on the war, an estimated $341 billion, including $50 billion for lend-lease supplies, of which $31 billion went to Britain, $11 billion to the Soviet Union, $5 billion to China, and $3 billion to 35 other countries. Germany was next, with $272 billion; followed by the Soviet Union, $192 billion; and then Britain, $120 billion; Italy, $94 billion; and Japan, $56 billion.

As for the world, we do our part if you would care to look before attacking rabidly and displaying your ignorance.
I've asked this many times. What has Canada done in a world event to be the main factor? What has Canada done in the world that has made a huge impact? Examples? Anything that the US hasn't done? We give some much aid across the world, donate tons of money, and send people to go help third world countries. All of which I'm sure Canada does as well. But what does Canada do to improve the world community, that no other nation does?

As for the rest, who gives a crap...I doubt you personally have done much for the universe in general at this point so attaching yourself to a country and puffing out your chest with pride hardly means much.
I'm talking about how I'm sick of people in Canada always attacking the US, but yet they offer nothing better and they don't do anything better. If you want to attack us, fine. But you better have something to stand on while you attack us. Right now, I see a country who attacks our war on terrorism (which I disagree with), but a nation that offers no plan that is better and a nation that does not go out and actually "do" what they think is better. And I can have pride in my nation, why is that a bad thing? I admit my nation is wrong, and I admit we have our faults. But, I'm sick of people in Canada attacking us, but then offering no better plan.

Hopefully you will learn to check your facts and learn to embrace the diverse nature of every country without the need to feel superior... it isnt' a pretty display.
:o

And America gave the most money and used the Red Cross to help the Tsunami Victims.
Ahem. Let us act intelligently for a second and do a wealth comparison. Canada's GDP is around 1 trillion, the United State's GDP is around 11 trillion. If one was to attempt to figure a properly proportioned value(a percentage, since the total values are not the same, a ratio must be used in order to have correct information to base opinons), you will find that the United states donated aproximately 0.009% of their GDP whereas Canada 0.08% of their GDP. (United States has donated $1 billion, Canada $80 million) (Donations to Tsunami aid).

Regardless, where did your country get their ideals that your Government is based around? America bro.
And where did the United States get their ideals to base their Government around? The French bro.



I disagree. Here is why. Germany had control over France and was winning against the British. Yes, his war with Russia could have made him lose, but without America the war could have gone on for another 10, or even 20 years. Hitler was close to building an Atomic Bomb, in 10 or 20 years he could have created one. Also, what about the Japaneses? We were the main country fighting against them in the Pacific. Japan and Germany made treaties in the 30's (I think), and Japan could have attacked Russia. Japan was a strong nation, and they had a lot of control over China at the time. They could have attacked Russia from China and other places. And with the power of the Japanese, and Germans, I'm sure they could have defeated Russia. Had we not gotten invovled, the war was a toss up in my eyes on who was going to win.
The Russians were closing on Berlin long before the United States joined in. The Russians were not going to be stopped, it was more dangerous for Russian troops to allow setbacks than to just die in front of a Panzer. Germany had pretty much exhausted their fuel reserves and would have been incapable of defending against the continued Russian agression. They were going to lose with or without US help. The only argument you can make would be whether or not the war in the Pacific could have been won in due time without American help. The European conflict was pretty much over and American assistance was inconsequential.

Yes, they may have been fighting before, but please tell me, how many troops/money did they send total? And then compare it to how many troops/money we sent total.
How the fuck can you attempt to base something on totals? What is the population ratio of these countries? An attempt to use a skewed total is a pathetic approach, it is unscientific and can be considered downright lying.
Countless Americans fled to the Canadians during WW2 in order to fight against Germany long before the United States even considered joining.

Update:
Regarding troop casualties in WW2, the Canadians lost 43,000 troops, the Americans 403,000. (Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties))

Using the population totals in 1939 we find the United States with a population of 130,879,718(Source (http://www.census.gov/popest/archives/1990s/popclockest.txt)) and Canada with a population of 11,267,000 (Source (http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/98-187-XIE/pop.htm)).

Taking the ratio we find that the United states lost 0.31% of its population and Canada lost 0.38% of its population. The difference is so small that it can be considered inconsequential and we can probably statistically say that they lost the same percentage of their population, meaning that neither country was harmed more than the other from their efforts in WW2.

Ahem. Let us act intelligently for a second and do a wealth comparison. Canada's GDP is around 1 trillion, the United State's GDP is around 11 trillion. If one was to attempt to figure a properly proportioned value(a percentage, since the total values are not the same, a ratio must be used in order to have correct information to base opinons), you will find that the United states donated aproximately 0.009% of their GDP whereas Canada 0.08% of their GDP. (United States has donated $1 billion, Canada $80 million) (Donations to Tsunami aid).
These are cited where (amount donated to the Tsunami fund)? If you could please cite where you got these numbers, then maybe we could debate this. However, the Red Cross has donated 535.5 million.

But, Blib, the reason I'm bringing up these issues is to show that everything Canada does, the United States does too, in terms of world issues. Everything Canada donates to, the United States donates to as well. What does Canada do on their own?

Regardless of our GDP, we donate more. What fules a GDP? The economy of a country and the people of a country. Yes, we have more people. But China has more people then us and only has a GDP of 7 trillion. It comes down to how smart your country is in terms of improving their economy and how the people choose to run their Government. We have more money to spend, because we as a country have tried to increase our GDP. We have more because we have tried to make more. Because of our people, we make more money. So, we can give more money because our people have tried hard to keep our economy very strong and alive. Because of our people, making our GDP so high, we can donate more. And we do donate more. We have donated more. And Canada, does not donate more because they as a country, do not try as hard to improve the amount of spending they can use for causes such as the Tsunami fund.

And where did the United States get their ideals to base their Government around? The French bro.
The American Revolution went from 1775-1783.http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569964/American_Revolution.html

The French Revolution lasted from 1789-1799.http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761557826/French_Revolution.html

Seems like our revolution was over before theirs was. And we were forming a solid Government before they had theirs figured out.

The Russians were closing on Berlin long before the United States joined in.
On June 22, 1941 Germany just invaded Russia. We were attacked by Japan on December 7, 1941. We then entered the war and a few months later we were in Europe. I doubt the Russians were closing in on Berlin, long before we got involved...for Germany just started their attack on June 22, 1941 with 3million troops. They also pushed the Russians back, but lost due to the cold winter.

The Russians were not going to be stopped, it was more dangerous for Russian troops to allow setbacks than to just die in front of a Panzer. Germany had pretty much exhausted their fuel reserves and would have been incapable of defending against the continued Russian agression.
The reason being, is because Germany was fighting from both sides of their country. On the east and the west. When they took over France, and were winning against GB they had the east some-what secured. Then they started against Russia. But once we went to Europe we saved France and GB...which made it hard for Germany to fight Russia since we were now in the East of Europe. Fighting on both sides of you, against two countries with large armies is impossible. If we had not gotten involved, Germany would have eventually taken over GB since they had already gotten France. Then, they would have had a better chance at attacking Russia and winning. However, you fail to factor in Japan. Japan was occupied with us in the Pacific...but if we had not gotten involved, the Japanese would have attacked Russia since they made a pact with Germany. Japan was a huge super-power. With Germany having Eastern Europe secured, and the Japanese then helping the Germans fight Russia, the war could have gone on for decades, and even ended in the Axis winning the war. If Japan had not attacked Russia, the war would have gone on for a long time anyway, because Germany would have had Eastern Europe for making weapons and training troops.

Blib, the main issue I have with Canada is that they attack the US Government all the time (Iraq War etc.). But yet they offer no solutions. They don't go out and do what is correct, they just bitch about how we are wrong. That is my main beef with Canada.

These are cited where (amount donated to the Tsunami fund)? If you could please cite where you got these numbers, then maybe we could debate this. However, the Red Cross has donated 535.5 million.
Canada (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/01/02/martin-meeting050102.html)
US (http://www.usaid.gov/locations/asia_near_east/tsunami/ngolist.html)

But, Blib, the reason I'm bringing up these issues is to show that everything Canada does, the United States does too, in terms of world issues. Everything Canada donates to, the United States donates to as well. What does Canada do on their own?
Everything the United States does, many others do too. Remember Poland? What does the United States do on their own? Oh, that's right, fuck shit up. I'm a staunch supporter of multilateralism and a vehement opponent of Nationalism in any form.

Regardless of our GDP, we donate more. What fules a GDP? The economy of a country and the people of a country. Yes, we have more people. But China has more people then us and only has a GDP of 7 trillion. It comes down to how smart your country is in terms of improving their economy and how the people choose to run their Government. We have more money to spend, because we as a country have tried to increase our GDP. We have more because we have tried to make more. Because of our people, we make more money. So, we can give more money because our people have tried hard to keep our economy very strong and alive. Because of our people, making our GDP so high, we can donate more. And we do donate more. We have donated more. And Canada, does not donate more because they as a country, do not try as hard to improve the amount of spending they can use for causes such as the Tsunami fund.
This is such a retarded statement. Try looking a bit into the way to accurately, statistically, determine effectiveness. You can never base anything on plain numbers because these numbers are not balanced. It's unscientific bullshit. But, if you wish to continue, go ahead, make yourself look like a dumbass.
Oh, and if you want a ratio of GDP and population, for the United States it's $39.73 per person, and $31.18 per person in Canada. These numbers are pretty much meaningless, but the gap isn't very big.

Seems like our revolution was over before theirs was. And we were forming a solid Government before they had theirs figured out.
First of all, our Constitution wasn't ratified until 1789. Second of all, you said ideals. The United States didn't just randomly create this set of ideals, they were adapted from French thinkers from many years previous, for example Rene Descartes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descartes) who lived from 1596 - 1650, Jean Jacques Rousseau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau) who lived from 1712 – 1778, and a Brit, John Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke), who lived from 1632 – 1704.

The reason being, is because Germany was fighting from both sides of their country.
Incorrect. The reason was because they fared pathetically in Northern Africa and lost their supply lines to oil. That was due to the British. Also, the Germans were never going to be capable of taking Britain. Their bombing attempts failed miserably and they wouldn't of had enough troops or resources to completely invade the island with the Russians on the other end. Russia would have swept right through their lines if they devoted a large force to taking England. However, if they didn't follow Hermann Göring's plan of blitzkrieg against England they probably would have succeded in taking it.

You are correct in that I didn't factor in Japan, the reason, however, was due to the fact that they didn't matter. The Japanese were intent on claiming total domination over the Pacific and couldn't care less about the European conflict. If Japan ever decided to send troops to Europe or Russia it would have been long after the Germans would have been defeated by the Russians, since they would have focused on taking all of the Pacific first. Although, frankly, I doubt they ever would have gotten to Europe since a lot of land in the Pacific was under US jurisdiction. You apparently didn't understand the motivations of the Japanese, they had no interest in Europe or Northern Asia(since it's all ice) and thusly don't factor into the European conflict.

Blib, the main issue I have with Canada is that they attack the US Government all the time (Iraq War etc.). But yet they offer no solutions. They don't go out and do what is correct, they just bitch about how we are wrong. That is my main beef with Canada.
The main issue I have is with people who blindly follow moronic nationalistic ideals. You cannot make a single proper argument that one developed country is better than another developed country. They are all uniquely different and it's a good thing that they don't do the same things as the United States. Imagine how it would have been if Spain(in their height) declared something similar to the Monroe Doctorine. The United States has been in a strategically valuable location, full of resources and was populated a number of highly intelligent men. Most of the United State's accomplishments have been because of luck and often due to the downfall of others. If it wasn't for WW1 and 2 the United States would never have gotten to where it is. So if it wasn't for Hitler, we'd still be broke and a pathetic developing country.

Myth of Democracy (http://canada.mediamonitors.net/headlines/the_puritans_and_the_myth_of_democracy)

Interesting Read.

Myth of Democracy
Interesting Read.
It's a bunch of bullshit is what it is. Not a shred of primary documentation. For a good, and accurate, look at the creation of racism and subjugation of minorites read Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States. Racism wasn't created by the Puritans in a short period of time, it took a hundred years of Capitalism coupled with Federal laws to create that kind of atmosphere.

i thought it was Interesting!

Blibblob, your knowledge of history and world events is highly impressive...

As for democracy I believe it's roots date back to Athens and Greece (Socrates) they had a senate long before the new world was known, and certainly long, long before AD times.

As for democracy I believe it's roots date back to Athens and Greece (Socrates) they had a senate long before the new world was known, and certainly long, long before AD times.

Yes, and at the same time, we were having democracy here, and we had never even met the Romans. The only difference being that the Romans excluded women. We did not.

Originally posted by Overdose
On June 22, 1941 Germany just invaded Russia. We were attacked by Japan on December 7, 1941. We then entered the war and a few months later we were in Europe.

The US's involvement in the war in Europe before D-Day was primarily in the air war. We engaged in a bombing campaign of Germany for two years before we invaded at Normandy. The presence of American and British troops in England forced the Germans to garrison France which undoubtedly had some effect on the German's ability to wage successful war in the east, and the campaigns in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy also put the Germans in a very bad strategic position. The Germans suffered most from a lack of access to oil. Their campaigns in Russia, North Africa, and even the Middle East were primarily designed to secure access to oil supplies for Germany, and they were unsuccessful.


I doubt the Russians were closing in on Berlin, long before we got involved...for Germany just started their attack on June 22, 1941 with 3million troops. They also pushed the Russians back, but lost due to the cold winter.

Despite the fact that the Germans were severely restricted in their access to raw materials, the main factor that caused the defeat of the Germans was the sheer size of Russia as a country, and the size of Russia's population. When the Germans invaded in June 1941, it quickly became clear that they were going to cause a great deal of damage, and the Russians were going to be driven back for awhile. Realizing this, the Russians picked up the majority of their heavy industry and moved it thousands of miles to the east, out of range of German aircraft. For the rest of the war the Russians were able to produce war materiel faster than the Germans could destroy it. This fact combined with the pre-war disparity in population made the outcome something of a foregone conclusion.

Pop. of Russia 1939: 190,000,000

Pop. of Germany 1939: 78,000,000

http://www.worldwar-2.net/casualties/world-war-2-casualties-index.htm


The reason being, is because Germany was fighting from both sides of their country. On the east and the west. When they took over France, and were winning against GB they had the east some-what secured.

Yes, it was a bad position for Germany, to have enemies on both sides. They quickly knocked France out of the war, but were unable to do the same to England because of England's navy and air force. Germany was never able to put themselves in a position to conduct an invasion of England because of this.


Then they started against Russia. But once we went to Europe we saved France and GB...which made it hard for Germany to fight Russia since we were now in the East of Europe. Fighting on both sides of you, against two countries with large armies is impossible. If we had not gotten involved, Germany would have eventually taken over GB since they had already gotten France.

Supplies shipped to England, especially during the first years of the war, were directly responsible for keeping England alive, but it was English planes and ships which kept the Germans at arms length. By the time we became directly involved militarily in the war, the Battle of Britain had been won by the British, and the German plans for the invasion of England had been shelved.

When we invaded France in 1944, the Russians had already pushed the Germans back to their border, and the outcome of the war was pretty clear. When we laded in Normandy, it was as much to "save" France from the Russians as it was to liberate them from the Germans.


Then, they would have had a better chance at attacking Russia and winning. However, you fail to factor in Japan. Japan was occupied with us in the Pacific...but if we had not gotten involved, the Japanese would have attacked Russia since they made a pact with Germany. Japan was a huge super-power. With Germany having Eastern Europe secured, and the Japanese then helping the Germans fight Russia, the war could have gone on for decades, and even ended in the Axis winning the war. If Japan had not attacked Russia, the war would have gone on for a long time anyway, because Germany would have had Eastern Europe for making weapons and training troops.

Japan's army was primarily occupied in China, and their navy was occupied with the US. During Japan's invasion of China they actually did attack Russia in 1937-38. The Russian commander, Zhukov, dealt them a defeat, and from then on the Japanese showed little inclination to start another war with their giant neighbor.

Originally posted by creetwins
Yes, and at the same time, we were having democracy here, and we had never even met the Romans. The only difference being that the Romans excluded women. We did not.

That may well be. And even over in Europe or in Africa there may well have been tribes with a democratic process that predates that of the Greeks. It is merely that historically Greek democracy was well recorded.

Blibblob

Everything the United States does, many others do too.
I never said other nations didn't do many things our nations does, Blib. Please, cite where I said that. But I'm still waiting to see an example of how Canada has made a huge impact on any world issue.

What does the United States do on their own? Oh, that's right, fuck shit up.
Yes, all the US does is "fuck shit up" and we do nothing good in the world. Yeah, that makes total sense.

I'm a staunch supporter of multilateralism and a vehement opponent of Nationalism in any form.
Nationalism is blind support for ones country. As you know, I don't support the war in Iraq and many other things our Government does. How can I be a nationalist, if I disagree with our current Government? Being proud of our history does not mean nationalism, it means having pride in ones country. Sadly, you can't understand how someone could have pride, because you are so blinded by your hate for America.

This is such a retarded statement.
It's only retarded because you don't understand it.

Try looking a bit into the way to accurately, statistically, determine effectiveness.
I just did, and you didn't refute anything I said. The GDP is created by how good of an economy you have in many respects. America has always tried to have a strong economy and our people have always tried to do the best we can. Because of our people, we can donate more. We fuel our economy, which gives us a higher GDP.

You can never base anything on plain numbers because these numbers are not balanced. It's unscientific bullshit.
Blib, you must factor in all the other elements in terms of these "numbers" Yes, the donation is about the same if you compare the population. But that isn't all of what needs to be factored in. The reason we don't donate as much if you count the population, is because our people drive our economy to be the best it can be. Because of our people, we don't have to donate as high of a percent to make a huge impact, because we create a strong economy. Our country gives more, period. You can say we don't because you count in the population, but China has a lot more people then us but as a lower GDP. It's because of our people working hard we can give more, at a lower population percent.

But, if you wish to continue, go ahead, make yourself look like a dumbass.
Blib, the only reason you resort to childish attacks is because you lack maturity and respect.

Oh, and if you want a ratio of GDP and population, for the United States it's $39.73 per person, and $31.18 per person in Canada. These numbers are pretty much meaningless, but the gap isn't very big.
Yes, and our people drive our economy to the best it can be. So we don't have to donate as much, for we make it up in making our economy strong. China has more people, but a lower GDP, by a lot. You can't just say population is the difference, because China has a lower GDP then us.

First of all, our Constitution wasn't ratified until 1789. Second of all, you said ideals. The United States didn't just randomly create this set of ideals, they were adapted from French thinkers from many years previous, for example Rene Descartes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descartes) who lived from 1596 - 1650, Jean Jacques Rousseau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau) who lived from 1712 – 1778, and a Brit, John Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke), who lived from 1632 – 1704.
We took ideals, yes. I'll admit to that. But we didn't do the entire Government that they were calling for.

Incorrect. The reason was because they fared pathetically in Northern Africa and lost their supply lines to oil.
The turnabout in North Africa began on August 31, 1942, when Rommel attacked through the southern flank of the British line west of Al ‘Alamayn, was stopped at the ‘Alam al Ḩalfā' Ridge, and was thrown back by September 7. The newly appointed British commander, General Bernard Law Montgomery, hit the north flank on October 23 with a methodically prepared offensive and, by November 5, forced Rommel into a retreat. American and British Troops fighting together under General Dwight D. Eisenhower began landing in Morocco and Algeria on November 8, the Americans at Casablanca and Oran, the British at Algiers. The Germans sent reinforcements into Tunis and occupied all of France. They managed to get the Fifth Panzer Army under General Jürgen von Arnim on the scene in time to stop Eisenhower in western Tunisia by mid-December. Rommel went into the Mareth Line in southeastern Tunisia in early February 1943 and launched an attack against the Americans on February 14 that drove them back 80 km (50 mi) and out of the vital Kasserine Pass. It was his last success and one he could not exploit. Hitler recalled him in March, as the Americans and British closed in from the west and south. After being cut off from their bases at Bizerte and Tunis and driven back into pockets on the Cape Bon Peninsula, 275,000 Germans and Italians surrendered by May 13. http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563737_9/World_War_II.html#p73
Yes, because the British and Americans fought him in North Africa.

Their bombing attempts failed miserably and they wouldn't of had enough troops or resources to completely invade the island with the Russians on the other end.
Between September and May 1941 they made 71 major raids on London and 56 on other cities. They did not "fail miserably", Blib. Without us the war could have gone on for 10 more years. We ended the war more quickly. We spent the most money on this war and we had the second highest amount of troops. Also, Hitlers scientists were on the edge of creating an Atomic Bomb. That could have shifted the entire war around, and if he had a few more years he could have very well created one.

You are correct in that I didn't factor in Japan, the reason, however, was due to the fact that they didn't matter.
Yes, they matter actually.

The Japanese were intent on claiming total domination over the Pacific and couldn't care less about the European conflict.
Incorrect. When Germany attacked Russia, that could have meant for Japan to be attacked by Russian since they were allied with eachother. You fail to remember that Japan had control over many parts of China and that China is right under Russia. If we had not gotten involved, the Japanese could have very well fought Russia. Russia could have attacked Japan in China just because they were allied with Germany. Russia also attacked Japan after the fall of Germany proving that if we had not gotten involved, conflics may have arised.

You apparently didn't understand the motivations of the Japanese, they had no interest in Europe or Northern Asia(since it's all ice) and thusly don't factor into the European conflict.
Yes, they didn't have the motives to fight Russia. But, if we had given them Midway and Pearl Harbor, they would have had the Pacific. Do you think a military power like Japan would just "stay" out of Russia? Doubtful.

The main issue I have is with people who blindly follow moronic nationalistic ideals. You cannot make a single proper argument that one developed country is better than another developed country. They are all uniquely different and it's a good thing that they don't do the same things as the United States. Imagine how it would have been if Spain(in their height) declared something similar to the Monroe Doctorine. The United States has been in a strategically valuable location, full of resources and was populated a number of highly intelligent men. Most of the United State's accomplishments have been because of luck and often due to the downfall of others. If it wasn't for WW1 and 2 the United States would never have gotten to where it is. So if it wasn't for Hitler, we'd still be broke and a pathetic developing country.
Blib, you replied to nothing I said. The issue, again, that I have with Canada is that they attack our Government for doing things that our wrong. However, they offer no better solutions and they don't go out and do anything better for the world. You can't attack us for doing something, but then don't give solutions on how to do it better or even go out and do what IS better. You can't just sit down and attack us, you have to actually act befroe I'll take you seriously.

Vile

All of the points you brought up are very valid points, in which I respect. But here is what I still think. If America had not gotten involved, the war could have dragged on for many more years to come. Japan could have attacked Russia (maybe), and Hitler could have created an Atomic Bomb, which could have changed everything. We did help World War II, and we made a large impact on this war. It's not so much that we saved the war, but we helped it in many respects. I've still yet to see what Canada has done, that has made even a large impact on any world issue. But World War II isn't the main issue I have, it's that they have fun attacking our actions in the world, but yet they don't have any actions at all in the world. How can you attack us, yet offer no better solutions? How can you attack us, if you aren't actually doing anything of huge impact in the world?

I've still yet to see what Canada has done, that has made even a large impact on any world issue. But World War II isn't the main issue I have, it's that they have fun attacking our actions in the world, but yet they don't have any actions at all in the world. How can you attack us, yet offer no better solutions? How can you attack us, if you aren't actually doing anything of huge impact in the world?

You would like to see? I will show you then.

53,589 people work in the entire UN system worldwide, which includes the Secretariat and 25 other organizations such as UNICEF, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Three times as many people work for McDonald's, while Disney World and Disneyland employ 50,000.

Some 1,700 Canadians are employed by the UN system. Canadians also currently hold the top posts in the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) and the International Maritime Organization (IMO).

Member States share the risks of maintaining peace and security. Canada has played a central role in UN peace-keeping, which was initiated by Canadian Nobel Peace Prize winner Lester B. Pearson. More than 100,000 Canadians have served as peace-keepers since 1956, involved in nearly all peace-keeping and observer operations initiated in that period.

Canadians’ expertise in organizing and monitoring elections -- under the UN -- in countries including Cambodia, Namibia, and El Salvador helped build peace and save lives around the world.

As early as 1960, the United Nations called on South Africa to end apartheid (It should be noted that Canada also strongly opposed South Africa’s racist policies. In fact, Canadian-led opposition to apartheid within the Commonwealth caused South Africa to withdraw from the Commonwealth of Nations in 1961). Over time, UN members took progressively stronger steps to pressure South Africa to end apartheid. The international pressure, which effectively isolated South Africa, resulted in the abandonment of apartheid and the country’s first free, multiracial elections in 1994.

Canadians have been instrumental in assisting the UN in raising global awareness of issues related to the environment. Maurice Strong has been very active on the environmental front as Secretary-General of both the 1972 and 1992 UN environmental conferences and as the first Executive Director of UNEP. The current Executive Director, Elisabeth Dowdeswell, is also a Canadian.

Unlike Canada, many states do not pay their regular membership or peacekeeping dues to the UN (for a number of reasons). This has placed the UN in a precarious financial situation that is threatening its activities. Article 19 of the UN Charter states that members two years in arrears should lose their voting rights. One reform should be the enforcement of this article, thereby encouraging states to pay their dues. UN expenditures have also been a problem, leading to charges of inefficiency, mismanagement, and, in extreme cases, fraud within the UN. To improve the situation, an Auditor-General, responsible to and appointed by the General Assembly, should be appointed, while an internal management review system, accountable to the Secretary-General, should be implemented.

Canada has a significant role to play in influencing how the world body will approach emerging global issues. The United Nations Association in Canada (UNA-Canada) is committed to fostering an ongoing dialogue between the UN, Canadian government officials, and the Canadian public. Through its public awareness campaigns, educational forums, seminars, and audiences with officials, UNA-Canada seeks to ensure that Canada will continue to have an impact on the UN's process of redefinition and revitalization.

Just a few snippets from The U.N. Canada fact sheets.

UNA CANADA (http://www.unac.org/en/link_learn/fact_sheets/index.asp)

This is from the Humanitarion Assistance page...

Over two million tons of food are distributed each year by the World Food Programme (WFP) - nearly 30 million people facing acute food shortages benefited from this assistance in 1994. Canada has been one of the top two multilateral contributors of food aid in the world for many years. Countries which have received food aid recently include Somalia, Liberia, the former Yugoslavia, Haiti and several in Southern Africa.

It seems so easy for you Overdose to turn something into "nothing". Canada hardly does nothing and our population is piddly in comparison to America's. Imagine what we could do, with Canada's brains, and America's braun. Then would we see some real progress.

Creetwins, I read over those things your country has done. All of those things your country does are good for the world. But, what has your country done to directly affect a major world issue in a huge, positive way? You don't think America gives more then your country, dealing with those issues? That list does have world issues but I don't think they are major world issues that Canada affects in a huge way.

As for your population comment, it's rather flawed. America does more for the world in aid and many other things. This is not all because we have more people, but because our people drive our economy. We have created a strong economy, which gives us more money to spend on aid. Because of our people, working hard, we can give more aid. China has more people then us, but makes less in the GDP. Proving that the amount of people does not matter, it's how hard they workd towards making enough money to give in aid. We give more because we work with dedication towards making more to give.

As for your brains comment, well, whatever. Have you checked Americas fact sheet? I suggest you do.

Overdose, I like you I really do, but your attitude still sucks.

We manage to be the wealthiest per capita in the world. Now, if we couple that with America's numbers, well, you do the math.

This comment becomes rather flawed. Use your melon.



As for your population comment, it's rather flawed. America does more for the world in aid and many other things. This is not all because we have more people, but because our people drive our economy. We have created a strong economy, which gives us more money to spend on aid. Because of our people, working hard, we can give more aid.

I don't understand how you don't think these are major things. The only "major" examples you come up with involve wars and armed conflict. These aren't the wishes of Grandmother Earth.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not include a description of practical steps governments can take to ensure that human rights are protected. It provides guiding principles, but lacks instructions on how each country should implement them. Even if human rights are protected in theory by a constitution, they could still be violated in practice. This is a dangerous gap that many countries have not adequately addressed.

Canada has attempted to bridge this gap by creating human rights commissions at both the federal and provincial levels. Human rights commissions investigate complaints regarding human rights violations, provide legal channels to hear the complaints, and attempt to find solutions to human rights problems. They work to educate us about human rights and promote equality of opportunity for groups in society that are frequently the target of discrimination.

If you have experienced sexual harassment or discrimination, for example, you have the right to contact your provincial human rights commission and file a complaint. If you have a disability and a bank or post office is not accessible, you can file a complaint with the federal human rights commission. In many countries people have no way to have their human rights complaints heard or resolved, nor do they have adequate laws to protect their human rights. Human rights commissions are therefore a tremendously valuable resource for Canadians.

With the Canadian Charter of Human Rights, the Canadian Human Rights Act, and human rights commissions at the federal and provincial levels working to protect and promote our human rights, we can feel confident that the principles outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are incorporated into Canadian law. Fifty years after its creation, we can see just how much the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has affected our lives. The next section of the Action Guide will respond to key questions you may have about human rights. It will also address questions concerning the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, related international agreements, and your role in promoting human rights during the 50th Anniversary.

In my culture, we teach our children by setting an example, and leading them this way. This is also very important in the world community. To set a working example for the rest of the world to aspire to.

Originally posted by creetwins
Overdose, I like you I really do, but your attitude still sucks.

We manage to be the wealthiest per capita in the world. Now, if we couple that with America's numbers, well, you do the math.

This comment becomes rather flawed. Use your melon.

Canada - purchasing power parity - $1.023 trillion (2004 est.) http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html

United States- purchasing power parity - $11.75 trillion (2004 est.)http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

China- purchasing power parity - $7.262 trillion (2004 est.)http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html

I'm talking about the economy that gives the Government money to send to aid around the world, that helps the entire world. We have more because we drive a strong economy. As you see, China has less to spend, but they have more people. It does not matter how many people you have, but how strong you run your economy. We have more money, because we run a better economy. Our people drive our economy, so we do more for the world because our people try the hardest.

Creetwins, if you could give me the UN factbook for the United States I bet I could come up with more examples then you have for your country. I searched for it, but I can't find it. Again, look at our factbook...and compare it to yours.

Overdose, people have posted numerous arguments which you have not addressed. And all you keep asking for is more, more, more. For some reason you have a bug up your ass about Canada. Not that I really give a crap about your hate for your Northern neighbours of which I am one. What bugs me the most is your lousy attitude towards those who have bothered to give you fact after fact after fact which you dismiss because they do not suit you.

You keep saying Canadians criticize the US so prove that they are better. What the hell are you even arguing about. This is like the other thread which got deleted in which I debated you. You give vague answers to things and think they are facts. You do circles of thought which can not be addressed.

What the hell criticisms are you talking about to start with and who are these Canadians you speak of... who on this thread are you specifically refering to and what thread specifically. Or are you doing generalities again. I can be as vague and general about the States as you are about Canada but it would serve no purpose. Your premise is as vague as vapour.

Originally posted by ~Sal~
Overdose, people have posted numerous arguments which you have not addressed.
Wrong, I have addressed them.

And all you keep asking for is more, more, more. For some reason you have a bug up your ass about Canada.
I have an issue with Canada, because many people in your country and in your Government attack the United States for our war in Iraq and other issues that we cause around the world, however your nation offers no plan to win the war on terrorism and your nation does not go out and do what is correct, they just tell us how incorrect we are.

Not that I really give a crap about your hate for your Northern neighbours of which I am one.
I never said I hated Canada. I just get rather annoyed with many people from Canada who say things about the United States.

What bugs me the most is your lousy attitude towards those who have bothered to give you fact after fact after fact which you dismiss because they do not suit you.
Wrong. I have either given facts myself against their facts, or I have agreed with them. Yes, your nation does stuff for the world. But I don't see Canada doing anything major to solve the worlds major issues.

What the hell criticisms are you talking about to start with and who are these Canadians you speak of... who on this thread are you specifically refering to and what thread specifically.
I'm talking about the people in Canada I met when I visited. The people I hear on the news, the people in your Government attacking my Government. That is who I'm talking about.

Or are you doing generalities again. I can be as vague and general about the States as you are about Canada but it would serve no purpose. Your premise is as vague as vapour.
Don't deny that many people in your country attack our policies. I know many people who live in Canada, and I've been there several times. Yes, I'm making a generalization that many people in Canada dislike our war/what we do in the world. I think there was a poll done in your country, and most if not all were against our course of action and did not have a good opinion of the people in America or our Government...however I can't find the poll right now.

I never said other nations didn't do many things our nations does, Blib. Please, cite where I said that. But I'm still waiting to see an example of how Canada has made a huge impact on any world issue.
Give me an example of out the United States has made a huge impact. You can't use WW1 and 2, since the facts are directly against that one. It's impossible to make a huge impact if you join in years late and for the most part just reinforce. That's not what one would call "huge". You can't use the fall of the cold war since Russia was going to fall anyways(it was bloody inevitable, there is no valid argument that one can make that it was, in a large part, due to the United States. I seem to not be seeing any huge accomplishments of the United States. Hell, no huge accomplishments from any country. The world is shaped not from big powerful forces, but because of small events that stack up to yield only one possible outcome.

Yes, all the US does is "fuck shit up" and we do nothing good in the world. Yeah, that makes total sense.
Read it again. "What does the United States do on their own?"

Nationalism is blind support for ones country. As you know, I don't support the war in Iraq and many other things our Government does. How can I be a nationalist, if I disagree with our current Government? Being proud of our history does not mean nationalism, it means having pride in ones country. Sadly, you can't understand how someone could have pride, because you are so blinded by your hate for America
Nationalism also falls under blindly attacking another country and defending your own against logical sense. I have no love or hate for any country. They are meaningless borders with a centralized power. I certainly hope that one day people will realize that the person sitting on the opposite side of that imaginary line is no better or worse then they are.

I just did, and you didn't refute anything I said. The GDP is created by how good of an economy you have in many respects. America has always tried to have a strong economy and our people have always tried to do the best we can. Because of our people, we can donate more. We fuel our economy, which gives us a higher GDP.
Again with the lack of statistic knowledge! A GDP is also greatly influenced by a country's location. Where is Canada? This is a simple geography question. In the middle of a frozen wasteland. Where is the United States? In the middle of resource rich land with ample growth space where it will still be comfortable. Why has England been successful for so many years? They're on an island that is really hard to invade. It's not always because the people work so hard. The United States has pretty much always had it easy regarding growth. They had no properly organized forces to deal with, they had a massive amount of land to expand into, this land had countless riches and resources, and they were already sufficiently advanced when it was founded. Canada. They were trappers. There was little to no family life, it was really fricking cold up there, and there were two countries fighting for that land(three if you include the United States' attempts to anex them so many times). GDP is not only due to the people, it's a large part due to resources and ability to gather them. China has a big population but a repressive horrible government. You can't work to your fullest potential without an education and with a big muscular guy whipping or beating you when you slow down.

Between September and May 1941 they made 71 major raids on London and 56 on other cities. They did not "fail miserably", Blib. Without us the war could have gone on for 10 more years. We ended the war more quickly. We spent the most money on this war and we had the second highest amount of troops. Also, Hitlers scientists were on the edge of creating an Atomic Bomb. That could have shifted the entire war around, and if he had a few more years he could have very well created one.
Was their country ever invaded? Where there any land grabs, successful land assaults? No. It failed misserably. Constant bombing by airplane is not going to work, eventually people will go underground, build better structures, etc. Not to mention they had pathetic aim. So many buildings came out unscathed. It was not successful, it was a giant waste of resources and troops. It was downright pathetic. Do you have any evidence that they were close to completing the bomb? They certainly didn't at the time. They only had speculations that it had begun. And apparently they were being internally sabotaged (http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/atombomb/OOF100202.html). I highly doubt they were close, or that they even would have finished by 1950 if the United States hadn't completed it first. From my knowledge of Niels Bohr, it makes perfect sense that he would have purposely impaired his ability to work on nuclear weapons.

Incorrect. When Germany attacked Russia, that could have meant for Japan to be attacked by Russian since they were allied with eachother. You fail to remember that Japan had control over many parts of China and that China is right under Russia. If we had not gotten involved, the Japanese could have very well fought Russia. Russia could have attacked Japan in China just because they were allied with Germany. Russia also attacked Japan after the fall of Germany proving that if we had not gotten involved, conflics may have arised.
Conflicts would have arisen. We were discussing the European conflict first of all. Second, I highly doubt Russia would have attacked Japan had it not been for the ongoing war in the Pacific between Japan and the US.

Yes, they didn't have the motives to fight Russia. But, if we had given them Midway and Pearl Harbor, they would have had the Pacific. Do you think a military power like Japan would just "stay" out of Russia? Doubtful.
For a number of decades, yes. Why would anybody want frozen tundra? Anything they'd want would be in Europe, and all Japan wanted was the Pacific and to take revenge on the Chinese.

Blib, you replied to nothing I said. The issue, again, that I have with Canada is that they attack our Government for doing things that our wrong. However, they offer no better solutions and they don't go out and do anything better for the world. You can't attack us for doing something, but then don't give solutions on how to do it better or even go out and do what IS better. You can't just sit down and attack us, you have to actually act befroe I'll take you seriously.
What the fuck do you expect them to do? Invade the US? As Cree has pointed out so many times regarding so many topics, Canada does a lot of shit. What exactly is that they must do before they can attack the actions of the United States? Invade poor countries that are a "threat"?

I'm talking about the economy that gives the Government money to send to aid around the world, that helps the entire world. We have more because we drive a strong economy. As you see, China has less to spend, but they have more people. It does not matter how many people you have, but how strong you run your economy. We have more money, because we run a better economy. Our people drive our economy, so we do more for the world because our people try the hardest.
First of all, you pulled the wrong numbers. Cree said "wealth per capita", you gave the GDP, they are completely different. Here's GNP per capita (http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/rank/PNBH2.html), in which Cree is wrong on, the wealthiest per capita are the more socialist oriented countries(which makes perfect sense).
Here's (http://www.portrait.public.lu/en/economic_development/growth/wealth) an excelent explaination regarding the fallacy of using just the GDP.
And Wikipedia's article on it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income).

Blib

Give me an example of out the United States has made a huge impact.

· U.S. Support for UN Peacekeeping: The U.S. pays about 27 percent of the cost for UN peacekeeping missions. This represents a reduction from the 30 percent assessment rate applied previously and is the result of a broad agreement reached in December 2000 to place UN peacekeeping on a more stable financial footing. The cost of UN peacekeeping has fluctuated widely in recent years in response to conditions in trouble spots around the world. At present, U.S. troops and civilian police account for 375 of the 66,547 UN peacekeepers worldwidehttp://www.un.int/usa/iofact3.htm
We pay for 27% of all the peacekeeping missions. We are one nation paying 27% of the peacekeeping missions. That's a big issue in which we help out a great deal. Without us the United Nations would have a tuff time doing all of what they do.

That's not what one would call "huge". You can't use the fall of the cold war since Russia was going to fall anyways(it was bloody inevitable, there is no valid argument that one can make that it was, in a large part, due to the United States. I seem to not be seeing any huge accomplishments of the United States.
Again, Blib, the United States does more to help the world in a larger way then Canada does. Huge is making a large impact on a world event. Has Canada made a large impact on a world event? No. We hade a large impact on World War II and the Cold War. We didn't stop WWII or the Cold War, but we made a large impact on both of those events in history.

"What does the United States do on their own?"
We don't really do anything on our own, Blib. But we tend to do far more then the other countries we are doing it with.

Nationalism also falls under blindly attacking another country and defending your own against logical sense.
I don't blindly attack Canada, Blib. That is just your interpretation. I have facts and logic to back it up. As with defending my country. Nationalism is when you love everything about your country and when you think your country can never be wrong. I don't think that, and that means I have not fallen to Nationalism.

Again with the lack of statistic knowledge! A GDP is also greatly influenced by a country's location. Where is Canada? This is a simple geography question. In the middle of a frozen wasteland.
Japan has a GDP of $3.745 trillion. They are very limited on resources and they are a small, small, island. Yet, they have more GDP then Canada. They have more people then Canada. They have a stronger economy then Canada. Again, it matters more about the people and their dedication, then the land, amount of people, or resources if you include Japan and China into the equation. Just because Canada does not have as many resources, people, does not mean they should have such a low GDP. We do more, because we strive for more.

China has a big population but a repressive horrible government. You can't work to your fullest potential without an education and with a big muscular guy whipping or beating you when you slow down.
Again, the reason we have a great GDP is because we as a people decided we wanted a free Government. Because of our people, we have a strong GDP.

So many buildings came out unscathed.
And so many were in ruins.

Conflicts would have arisen. We were discussing the European conflict first of all. Second, I highly doubt Russia would have attacked Japan had it not been for the ongoing war in the Pacific between Japan and the US.
I disagree. If Japan had the Pacific, and was allied with Germany, Russia would be fearful Japan would attack them since Germany and Japan were allied.

But Blib, I really don't care how much of an impact we had on the WWII. We still made it end faster then it would have. We had many troops die and we had many troops fight to make the Allies win. Weather or not any of this would have happened, the United States basically, on our own stopped Japan from taking over the Pacific and killing and raping the Chinese. We stopped Japan on our own from becoming a horrible Government. That is something we as Americans can be proud of. It is something we did on our own and something we should be proud of.

What the fuck do you expect them to do? Invade the US?
Go out and fight terrorism the correct way. Terrorisim is a world issue, and instead of attacking our policy, they should go out and fight it the "correct" way.

As Cree has pointed out so many times regarding so many topics, Canada does a lot of shit.
And we, for the most part, do more.

What exactly is that they must do before they can attack the actions of the United States? Invade poor countries that are a "threat"?
They must go out and actually try to improve the situation.

I have an issue with Canada, because many people in your country and in your Government attack the United States for our war in Iraq and other issues that we cause around the world, however your nation offers no plan to win the war on terrorism and your nation does not go out and do what is correct, they just tell us how incorrect we are.

What does the war in Iraq have to do with terrorism?
I never said I hated Canada. I just get rather annoyed with many people from Canada who say things about the United States.

You're right you never said that... sorry that was a low blow...

I'm talking about the people in Canada I met when I visited. The people I hear on the news, the people in your Government attacking my Government. That is who I'm talking about.

I would suggest you take up your argument with them because I have no idea what they were talking about when you visited. As for hearing people attack your government on the news, that is doubtful. Our politicians don't have the balls because you guard our back-door and our army is fucking falling apart because they put zero money into it. The stuff our troops cope with is amazing: there is a lack of everything. It's a wonder they don't feed them from the food banks.

Don't deny that many people in your country attack our policies. I know many people who live in Canada, and I've been there several times. Yes, I'm making a generalization that many people in Canada dislike our war/what we do in the world. I think there was a poll done in your country, and most if not all were against our course of action and did not have a good opinion of the people in America or our Government...however I can't find the poll right now.

I have no idea whether or not "many" people in my country attack your policies but I will tell you most people have many opinions on many things so it is likely that they may. I do not like your war. I am glad that the asshole Prime Minister that we had in power at the time basically told Bush to fuck off. It's one of the few good things Cretien did.

We were asked to join...we did not. It is likely many Canadians have feelings about getting involved in a war that was deemed meaningless by most of the world. Especially since people have a tendency to come home in body bags.

Now you say you are against the war. So... are Canadians not allowed an opinion on the war. MOST countries in the world did not want to get involved in Bushes war... So WTF is your point?

You are pissed we don't like the war? YOU don't like the war....

America is definitely one of the most giving countries in the world in many situations where there is need. You are also one of the most "taking" countries in the world when you want something.

Most Americans don't even know the capital of Canada. Soooooooooooooo ?

Originally posted by ~Sal~
What does the war in Iraq have to do with terrorism?
To you and me the war in Iraq does not deal with terrorism. To Bush the war in Iraq deals with terrorism. So, if you think the war in Iraq does not deal with terrorism, then why dosen't your Government go out and actually fight global terrorism for the greater good of humanity?

I would suggest you take up your argument with them because I have no idea what they were talking about when you visited.
I'm taking my arguments up with the general feeling in Canada towards the United States. My friend who is 30, her name is Casandra, has a mother who hates the United States. She was appalled that she would move her. And the people I met there hated us...they tried to pick a fight with me. It's VERY clear that most people in Canada dislike/hate the United States.

I do not like your war. I am glad that the asshole Prime Minister that we had in power at the time basically told Bush to fuck off. It's one of the few good things Cretien did.
So, why does your Government not go out and fight terrorism the correct way? How can you attack the United States for doing something when yet your country does nothing at all in terms of going out and stopping terrorism. At least we try to stop terrorism. At least we have legs to stand on.

Now you say you are against the war. So... are Canadians not allowed an opinion on the war. MOST countries in the world did not want to get involved in Bushes war... So WTF is your point?
Sure, Canada can have an opinion. But you better actually back up what you say. To attack our war and deem it incorrect, but offer no suggestions on how to fight it correctly, or to do nothing or take no course of action to fight it the right way, makes everything you say meaingless.

You are pissed we don't like the war? YOU don't like the war....
And I try to change what is going on and I try to offer new solutions. I've written my Congressmen. I've protested Bush when he has come to my city. I've tried to help John Kerry win the election so we could begin to start fighting it the correct way. I can only do so much as one person. Your entire Government can do a lot more, yet I see them just attacking our war, but not going out and doing what is the correct way to fight terrorism.

Most Americans don't even know the capital of Canada. Soooooooooooooo ?
Maybe it's because your country does not do enough to get noticed...

We pay for 27% of all the peacekeeping missions. We are one nation paying 27% of the peacekeeping missions. That's a big issue in which we help out a great deal. Without us the United Nations would have a tuff time doing all of what they do.
And what do these "peacekeeping" missions do? Honestly, nothing. That's because they can't do anything, they don't have enough power to accomplish any task. Peacekeeping missions was the primary topic for Policy debate this year, they don't and can't do anything and that is what most of the problems center around. It's not a huge impact if it doesn't do anything. Money does not equate to success.

Again, Blib, the United States does more to help the world in a larger way then Canada does. Huge is making a large impact on a world event. Has Canada made a large impact on a world event? No. We hade a large impact on World War II and the Cold War. We didn't stop WWII or the Cold War, but we made a large impact on both of those events in history.
As Cree pointed out, Canada has helped with the UN far more than the United States ever will. And you're lessening it now? From "huge", to "large"? Just so you can use examples that will count? Nice tactic. If you're going to use large now, read back, you'll find your examples.

We don't really do anything on our own, Blib. But we tend to do far more then the other countries we are doing it with.
Your point? You keep changing your qulifications. Eventually we'll reach you claiming that since the United States assists 1% more than Canada in something, the United States is so much better.

Japan has a GDP of $3.745 trillion. They are very limited on resources and they are a small, small, island. Yet, they have more GDP then Canada. They have more people then Canada. They have a stronger economy then Canada. Again, it matters more about the people and their dedication, then the land, amount of people, or resources if you include Japan and China into the equation. Just because Canada does not have as many resources, people, does not mean they should have such a low GDP. We do more, because we strive for more.
First of all, Japan has a vast amount of resources at their demand. Second of all, Japan has been given billions upon billions of dollars in aid from countless countries to help them through depression and to recover from WW2. Finally, you apparenly missed all three of those links that I posted regarding wealth per capita.

Again, the reason we have a great GDP is because we as a people decided we wanted a free Government. Because of our people, we have a strong GDP.
AND because of the amount of resources, starting industrial status, blah blah blah, reread what I wrote. No one thing that you are using lends more to the GDP than anything I've said. You can't just go "we're better because we make more money".

I disagree. If Japan had the Pacific, and was allied with Germany, Russia would be fearful Japan would attack them since Germany and Japan were allied.
No they wouldn't. Russia didn't have to fear any threat of invasion. They could easily of withstood it. It's quite difficult to march through a frozen wasteland only to find yourself outnumbered 100 to one.

But Blib, I really don't care how much of an impact we had on the WWII. We still made it end faster then it would have. We had many troops die and we had many troops fight to make the Allies win. Weather or not any of this would have happened, the United States basically, on our own stopped Japan from taking over the Pacific and killing and raping the Chinese. We stopped Japan on our own from becoming a horrible Government. That is something we as Americans can be proud of. It is something we did on our own and something we should be proud of.
Now you don't care? The past few pages of outrageously long posts are all for naught? Good god, this is taking too long, just conceed already. I mean, you just conceeded a point you were pushing so hard...

Go out and fight terrorism the correct way. Terrorisim is a world issue, and instead of attacking our policy, they should go out and fight it the "correct" way.
With their paltry budget? Alone? Right now I think they're just trying to stop the United States from making it worse. Second of all, unless they are attacked, what reason would they have to hunt terrorist organizations that have yet to do anything by tresspassing on a soverign nation's land? Terrorism is a local issue. Unless a country is attacked or they pledge to assist a small country under attack you cannot hold somebody accountable for something that they cannot do. It is far better for them to focus their efforts at home instead of spreading themselves out and making themselves more vulnerable.

They must go out and actually try to improve the situation.
Is try emphasised? Because they do in small amounts. Try must be emphasised, because the United States is "trying", but failing miserably.

To you and me the war in Iraq does not deal with terrorism.

Correct....so end of that argument.

It's VERY clear that most people in Canada dislike/hate the United States

NO it is very clear that the people you dealt with did. Get new friends or relatives. End of that argument.

How can you attack the United States for doing something when yet your country does nothing at all in terms of going out and stopping terrorism. At least we try to stop terrorism. At least we have legs to stand on.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Maybe it's because your country does not do enough to get noticed...
That certainly could be one reason....

Have a good evening... I am tired of the circle game...

Originally posted by Overdose
It's VERY clear that most people in Canada dislike/hate the United States.

Really? I've never seen or heard anything slightly resembling an insult when I've gone to Canada.

Originally posted by Overdose


Most Americans don't even know the capital of Canada. Soooooooooooooo ?
Maybe it's because your country does not do enough to get noticed...

Now you're defending ignorance?

I can't believe this is coming from the same person that apologized to our French friend for the war in Iraq on behalf of the 48% of Americans that didn't vote for Bush.

Dear Canadians - I'd like to apologize on behalf of the 93% of Americans that don't agree with OD. :)

Blib

And what do these "peacekeeping" missions do? Honestly, nothing.
U.S. Interests and UN Peacekeeping: The map of UN peacekeeping deployments closely parallels the pattern of U.S. interests. For instance, UN peacekeepers play a key role in the Middle East, in Cyprus, in the former Yugoslavia, and on the border between India and Pakistan. These and other missions (currently 17 missions worldwide) have helped nurture new democracies, lower the global tide of refugees, reduced the likelihood of unwelcome intervention by regional powers, and prevented small wars from growing into larger scale conflicts with much higher costs in terms of lives and resources.http://www.un.int/usa/iofact3.htm
They do a lot more then you think.

Money does not equate to success.
In order for anything to succeed you have to be able to fund it. The US funds more then our fair share of things in the UN.

As Cree pointed out, Canada has helped with the UN far more than the United States ever will.
Wrong. Blib, just because Cree has an easy link to everything Canada has done, does not mean the United States has done less then them. If I could actually find the USFact sheet for everything we've done since the 50's through the UN and Global issues, I could have a list equally if not better then what she came up with.

And you're lessening it now? From "huge", to "large"? Just so you can use examples that will count? Nice tactic. If you're going to use large now, read back, you'll find your examples.
You can use "huge" or "large". I didn't change the word to make a difference. Blib, you look too deep into this.

Your point? You keep changing your qulifications. Eventually we'll reach you claiming that since the United States assists 1% more than Canada in something, the United States is so much better.
I haven't changed my qulifications, Blib.

First of all, Japan has a vast amount of resources at their demand.
No more then Canada.

Second of all, Japan has been given billions upon billions of dollars in aid from countless countries to help them through depression and to recover from WW2.
Your point? The reason they have so much GDP is because their people buy, and buy and buy and buy. The people of Japan buy everything "new" and "hip" The people of Japan make their economy what it is today, not the money we gave them. Just like the people of America drive our economy. So as for donations, we give more becaue our people make more so we can give more.

AND because of the amount of resources, starting industrial status, blah blah blah, reread what I wrote. No one thing that you are using lends more to the GDP than anything I've said. You can't just go "we're better because we make more money".
Canada - Natural resources:
Definition Field Listing
iron ore, nickel, zinc, copper, gold, lead, molybdenum, potash, diamonds, silver, fish, timber, wildlife, coal, petroleum, natural gas, hydropower

Japan-Natural resources:
Definition Field Listing
negligible mineral resources, fish http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

Canada has far more natural resources. And Japan has more GDP because their people drive their economy. Population and resources don't make as much of a difference as the people of a country. Our people drive our GDP.

No they wouldn't. Russia didn't have to fear any threat of invasion
Of course Russia didn't have fear of invasion, because we were in the war. Had we not gotten in the war, they may have feared invasion.

They could easily of withstood it. It's quite difficult to march through a frozen wasteland only to find yourself outnumbered 100 to one.
Do you know how easy it is to bomb Russia from China and Japan?

Now you don't care? The past few pages of outrageously long posts are all for naught? Good god, this is taking too long, just conceed already. I mean, you just conceeded a point you were pushing so hard...
Why would I conceed? We did make a HUGE impact on World War II. We took out the other main member of the Axis. Japan was in WWII, and we took out Japan almost all on our own. Without us, Japan would have become an imperial power throughout the world and created much chaos across the world. That is just another event we hae made a huge impact on.

With their paltry budget? Alone?
That is their countries choice to have a bad budget. I suggest they increase it and actually go out and do something.

Right now I think they're just trying to stop the United States from making it worse.
How? By sitting on their ass and bitching? Yeah, right.

Second of all, unless they are attacked, what reason would they have to hunt terrorist organizations that have yet to do anything by tresspassing on a soverign nation's land?
Ummm, to stop Global Terror and for the good of humanity?

Terrorism is a local issue.
Incorrect. It affects everyone.

Is try emphasised? Because they do in small amounts. Try must be emphasised, because the United States is "trying", but failing miserably.
Yes, we may be failing, but at least we are trying. Canada does not even try to do anything to improve the situation.


Sal

You avoided my main points, and the main things I said and only cutting out little points in which I explained further in my post. Nice try, Sal. I disagree with the war, but I try to change it. Your country disagrees with the war, but does almost nothing to change or improve the situation. I've seen polls and I've had many people I know from Canada tell me that most people there disagree with the war and hate Bush.

Overdose, Blib, you guys are being idiots. I mean, you've lost sight of who really matters...Poland! Don't forget Poland! ;)

They do a lot more then you think.
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Wrong. Blib, just because Cree has an easy link to everything Canada has done, does not mean the United States has done less then them. If I could actually find the USFact sheet for everything we've done since the 50's through the UN and Global issues, I could have a list equally if not better then what she came up with.
The United States fell into an isolationist mindset after WW2. Contributions to the UN in general were rather bad. Not to mention we haven't payed our dues in quite a few years. The amount of money that we can send to peacekeeping operations has been capped(Clinton did this). And we've disregarded UN resolutions a number of times in favour of our own interests.

You can use "huge" or "large". I didn't change the word to make a difference. Blib, you look too deep into this.
No, those two words are entirely different and require a vastly differing amount to reach. You even emphasized "huge" and then switched to large. Keep yourself consistant if you are going to try and argue.

Canada has far more natural resources. And Japan has more GDP because their people drive their economy. Population and resources don't make as much of a difference as the people of a country. Our people drive our GDP.
You try harvesting resources in a frozen wasteland. Also, where did Japan get that money to spend? United States taxpayer's pockets. Japan would have failed if it wasn't for foreign contributions. Did Canada recieve billions of dollars in aid each year?

Of course Russia didn't have fear of invasion, because we were in the war. Had we not gotten in the war, they may have feared invasion.
They didn't have fear of an invation because they had the manpower, resources and natural defenses to protect themselves. They could easily of held off an invasion. How many times has Russia lost land during an invasion?

Do you know how easy it is to bomb Russia from China and Japan?
You have got to be kidding me. The B-17 flying fortress had one of the longest combat ranges at that time. It could go almost 2000 miles. Japan's longest flying aircraft, the Zero, could barely go 1000 miles. It is thousands upon thousands of miles from Japan to a valuable Russian city. They couldn't even have made it if they flew from the most northern and western part of China. Not to mention bombing in that age was horribly ineffective, it was inaccurate and it required constant bombing day and night to have any effect on a location. Something Japan couldn't have done in their wildest dreams

Why would I conceed? We did make a HUGE impact on World War II. We took out the other main member of the Axis. Japan was in WWII, and we took out Japan almost all on our own. Without us, Japan would have become an imperial power throughout the world and created much chaos across the world. That is just another event we hae made a huge impact on.
Every shred of evidence that Vile, myself and others have given disprove that. You have been incapable of providing sufficient evidence to counter his or my arguements. Not to mention you conceeded to one of his entire posts on the subject. The United States had an effect, but it certainly wasn't huge and they certainly could have done it without us in time.

That is their countries choice to have a bad budget. I suggest they increase it and actually go out and do something.
I meant they don't have much money to spend at all. Especially since a lot of their budget goes to far better things for their population.

How? By sitting on their ass and bitching? Yeah, right.
Lessening the amount of troops and assistance the United States had in Iraq, their help with attempting to disallow the United States through the UN. The United States doesn't give a rats ass what another country thinks and it would be impossible to try and stop the US' worsening actions without a military force. The US doesn't listen to diplomatic measures.

Ummm, to stop Global Terror and for the good of humanity?
Is this what the United States is doing?

Incorrect. It affects everyone
Only because you say it does. Only because you give the terrorists that kind of power. They only have the ability to effect a small number of people. It is fear that makes their efforts world wide. Terrorism is a local issue. To make it global means that they are winning to some extent.

You avoided my main points, and the main things I said and only cutting out little points in which I explained further in my post. Nice try, Sal. I disagree with the war, but I try to change it. Your country disagrees with the war, but does almost nothing to change or improve the situation. I've seen polls and I've had many people I know from Canada tell me that most people there disagree with the war and hate Bush.
Polls trump the actual citizens again!



Overdose, Blib, you guys are being idiots. I mean, you've lost sight of who really matters...Poland! Don't forget Poland!
I mentioned Poland! Apparently OD doesn't care about Poland...

Go out and fight terrorism the correct way. Terrorisim is a world issue, and instead of attacking our policy, they should go out and fight it the "correct" way.

You are suggesting we go and solve your problem, clean up your mess? You should be perfectly capable, with your funds, and renewable resourse of troops.

Terrortism is a local issue, It does not directly affect me. Was terrorism a world issue before 911? Or just more so now, because the U.S. was proven to be mortal.

Let me pose this to you in another way OD.

How safe did you feel after 911? Personally.

I will tell you how I felt. I was 5 mos. pregnant with my girls. I was up early that morning as I wasn't sleeping so well any more, and it was 40 degrees celcius. I turned on the T.V. and every channel reported the same images, and I was transfixed and terrified for those peope. But personally I was not afraid for my life. I was living in a remote Northern community of 500 people in N.Saskatchewan. In a different time zone at a different lattitude. I was fearful for my family in Ontario, they are surrounded by the US. But personallly I was not worried, because I was way safe up in the prairies. Why would anyone attack us up there?

How safe did you feel?

I find your attitudes towards Canada pretty intolerant. We started this conversation talking about pot. You had to throw in a comment about "what good does Canada do anywhere?" Your attitudes towards our position on the war, have swayed your perspective on other non-war-related matters, and it shows, you've basically admitted it.

I'm taking my arguments up with the general feeling in Canada towards the United States. My friend who is 30, her name is Casandra, has a mother who hates the United States. She was appalled that she would move her. And the people I met there hated us...they tried to pick a fight with me. It's VERY clear that most people in Canada dislike/hate the United States.

Overdose that is like me saying "I've met two Americans, and they both like peach pie so to me it is VERY clear that most people in America like peach pie."

I'd really like you to find my presense in any discussions here regarding your war.

The way you are acting towards me, to me is a little like, me beating up the brother of the kid who keyed my car, because I couldn't find the kid.

That was a good post Cree.

Cree

You are suggesting we go and solve your problem, clean up your mess? You should be perfectly capable, with your funds, and renewable resourse of troops.
Terrorism is a world problem, Cree. There has been terrorists attacks in several countries. And terrorism is only getting worse for everyone. It's silly to say it's only an American issue.

Terrortism is a local issue, It does not directly affect me. Was terrorism a world issue before 911? Or just more so now, because the U.S. was proven to be mortal.
It has always been an issue, Cree. And Clinton went after terrorism while he was President and he worked to stop terrorism. Since Clinton took control, we have focused on terrorism.

How safe did you feel after 911? Personally.
I didn't feel safe to go on a plane...but to be honest, it happened in New York...and I'm in Oregon. We don't have many targets here. I was scared, but not as scared as many people are.

I will tell you how I felt. I was 5 mos. pregnant with my girls. I was up early that morning as I wasn't sleeping so well any more, and it was 40 degrees celcius. I turned on the T.V. and every channel reported the same images, and I was transfixed and terrified for those peope. But personally I was not afraid for my life. I was living in a remote Northern community of 500 people in N.Saskatchewan. In a different time zone at a different lattitude. I was fearful for my family in Ontario, they are surrounded by the US. But personallly I was not worried, because I was way safe up in the prairies. Why would anyone attack us up there?
This is fairly sad, Cree. So, just because you are not in danger, you feel it's okay for other nations to be in danger? Or other cities in your country? That is SO narrow-minded of you. If it does not affect you, you will just ignore it? Wow.

That was a good post Cree.

Thanks Blib :D

I'd better retire for the day, I'm starting to feel like jumping through the sliding glass door.....:@@:

This is fairly sad, Cree. So, just because you are not in danger, you feel it's okay for other nations to be in danger? Or other cities in your country? That is SO narrow-minded of you. If it does not affect you, you will just ignore it? Wow.

Dude, like I said I was 5 months pregnant with twins, what should I have done? What did you do? My position allows me the time to ponder WHY the US is getting attacked.

If you are in a battlefied, and your neighbour stands up