are kidnapping people from anywhere in the world with absolutely no evidence, no trial and is toruring them, sometime to death.

U.S. faces questions over 'kidnappings' in Europe
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/headline/world/3190887

In U.S. Report, Brutal Details of 2 Afghan Inmates' Deaths

Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American jailers continued to torment him.

The prisoner, a slight, 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar, was hauled from his cell at the detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, at around 2 a.m. to answer questions about a rocket attack on an American base. When he arrived in the interrogation room, an interpreter who was present said, his legs were bouncing uncontrollably in the plastic chair and his hands were numb. He had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?hp&ex=1116648000&en=6cca0512a38427c3&ei=5094&partner=homepage

and now they want to be able to track anyone anywhere at anytime, I m sure for purely legitimate purposes...

US to push for global 'security envelope'
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/8c3251fe-c889-11d9-87c9-00000e2511c8.html

Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.

I am beginning to loose pride in being an America.

Yes, the torture and the violence and deaths are horrible. How dedicated or brainwashed are these terrorists?
The world is in a real tiff. Even America is downgrading its Constitution in a response to the terror threats. And when a great nation, like the good ole USA actually tortures prisoners, well ........we can expect the world to come to an end soon. God help us. God Be With us.

I have a question. If the media wasnt suppressed in WW2, and you were alive then hearing about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in japan and germany, would you act the same as you are now? woudl you spend every waking moment trying to bring down the US military effort overseas? or would you grudingly accept it as a neccessary evil?

Troll :rolleyes:

Speaking of US armed and trained terrorists...

Carriles Charged
Suspected Cuban terrorist Luis Posada Carriles was charged yesterday with illegally entering the United States and faces an immigration hearing on June 13. But the US has made it clear it does not intend to extradite Carriles to Venezuela where he faces prosecution on terror charges. Venezuela has officially demanded that the US hand him over in connection to the 1976 bombing of a Cubana airlines flight that killed 73 people, including the entire Cuban fencing team.

Chavez Demands Carriles Extradition
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez blasted Washington for only charging him with an immigration violation, saying not extraditing him would amount to sheltering a terrorist. In a televised speech in Venezuela, Chavez said "The CIA knew those lords of death were going to put the bomb on the Cuban plane.'' Carriles holds Venezuelan citizenship and the bombing was allegedly plotted in Caracas. What Chavez was referring to was a declassified State Department intelligence brief made public on Wednesday that says that an informant claimed that Posada said weeks before the bombing. "We are going to hit a Cuban airliner.'' Another declassified CIA document said the agency had a report from an informant in June 1976 that a group headed by Posada's associate Orlando Bosch planned "to place a bomb on a Cubana Airline flight traveling between Panama and Havana." Chavez also made clear that Venezuela would not hand Carriles over to Cuba if the US fulfills its obligations. The US has said it will not extradite Carriles to a country that "works on behalf of Cuba."

Congressmembers Call for Carriles Extradition
This comes as 20 members of Congress have called on President Bush to deny Carriles political asylum and to extradite him to Caracas. In the letter, the Congressmembers reference Bush's remarks of August, 2003 when Bush said that anyone who shelters a terrorist, or supports a terrorist, or feeds a terrorist, is as guilty as the terrorist himself. The letter also raises the issue of Carriles alleged involvement in the murder of former Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Letelier and his US assistant Ronnie Moffit on September 21, 1976 in a car bombing in Washington DC. Among the Congressmembers who signed the letter were Dennis Kucinich, Jose Serrano, Maxine Waters and Barbara Lee.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/20/1425231

"This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while. And the American people must be patient. I'm going to be patient. But I can assure the American people I am determined, I'm not going to be distracted, I will keep my focus to make sure that not only are these brought to justice, but anybody who's been associated will be brought to justice. Those who harbor terrorists will be brought to justice. It is time for us to win the first war of the 21st century decisively, so that our children and our grandchildren can live peacefully into the 21st century."
--George W. Bush

I guesss we'll see what happens

its a serious question guerilla, are you going to answer it or not?

Originally posted by Travh20
I have a question. If the media wasnt suppressed in WW2, and you were alive then hearing about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in japan and germany, would you act the same as you are now? woudl you spend every waking moment trying to bring down the US military effort overseas? or would you grudingly accept it as a neccessary evil?

This is not a serious question. It is full of your interpretation of others actions and obvious bias about the person.

woudl you spend every waking moment trying to bring down the US military effort overseas?

If you can prove that he is actually doing this the question might have more merrit. But untill then it is just more wingnut spin on a very serious issue.

echo, if you can prove I actually support george bush I will prove 500lb guerilla is trying to bring down the US military effort in Iraq.