Blob mentioned starting a thread on Soul.
I wondered what other's opinions are as to:
Possibility of existance of such.
What they think it would consist of.
What its function would be.
Or anything else you might want to add.

I realize the existance of such is impossible to prove today, but would like to know what is believed and maybe why.

I have to go to town and will post my beliefs later.
Thanks

I can't dance or sing so I doubt I have much soul, honkey :D :D

I believe the soul is our energy source as to where that energy goes when we die is a mystery. If we could just get a ghost to go on TV we could prove what happens next :). Lets make a deal if one of us die then we have to go on Oprah and tell the rest of the world what happens after this life?

I believe that there is some sort of energy that exists within us.
Possibly attracted by the heat of the body. At death when the body cools it leaves, if not something about life forming attracts it and when life is gone it simply moves on.
This energy form may not be invisible, but consist of the smallest particle in our environment. A sort of parasite/hitchhiker that is linked in some way with others of its makeup.
Sort of like natures computers linked in a universal sharing of knowledge.
All living creatures would contain this, thus explaining the natural actions of what we call nature.
How bees, ants, etc., have the natural born knowledge to do things seemingly without any instruction. Those actions we describe as instinct.

The flow of these particles around us is what I have sometimes called the "river of knowledge."

This universal bank of knowledge would explain the times people get glimpses of the future or past without being able to completely control such. Certain things may occur that puts the thinking mind in touch with this (soul) and during this fleeting moment a sharing of knowledge occurs. Sort of like the temporary breakdown of a one way valve.

This could also explain why so many things are experienced during sleep that is not in our memory. We dream of places and people that we have never seen.
Many scientist have reported that they have worked on complicated projects only to hit a dead end and upon sleeping suddenly came up with the correct answer to the problem. Was this the brain at work or a link with the river of knowledge? I do not know. But, if the information furnished to the brain was incorrect this eliminates the brain alone as the solver of the problem.

I certainly do not have all the answers! I could be completely wrong. Life experiences have led me to believe that something is there that is more than me. Some access to information that is not in my stored memory experiences. Maybe evolution will help mankind access this "chip" of natural information. Maybe someday that which we call paranormal will be as normal as breathing. Understanding is the elusive key.

I do think that as long as we call it God and form religions to worship it, that we are prolonging our evolution of understanding.

Great post Dan. I have the same sort of feeling but could never quite verbalize as well as you. That which connects us all is someway realated to time.

Many scientist have reported that they have worked on complicated projects only to hit a dead end and upon sleeping suddenly came up with the correct answer to the problem.I'm not a scientist but did a degree in physics many moons ago. I got stuck during my final project and one night dreamt I solved it. I woke up and did so in about 30 minutes. I can't say I literally dreamt the solution - I didn't wake up with it imprinted in my mind - but in a dream state I did overcome a stumbling block in a less tangible sense.

Maybe evolution will help mankind access this "chip" of natural information. Gone are the days when I mistake you for a wide-eyed paranormalist as I did when I first joined this forum. I now agree with many of your posts. However I must take issue with this statement! (sorry ;) ) I realise this is a speculation not central to your main ideas and am not suggesting this undermines your position.

However, this conception of evolution suggests a move from "less good" forms to "superioir" forms. This is not the case - evolution does not unwrap potential improvements.

Also the critical mass of humans is far too large for evolution to be occuring within us right now. There would have to be a scenario in which a group of <100 humans is totally isolated for several thousand years for any evolution to take place.

But nice post Dan.

Thanks Blob, in the post above I did not go into great detail.
The evolution I speak of is the mental evolving of mans awareness due to new information being available thru research and investigation.
I thought my last statement of the post would make this more clear.
Sometimes I am quilty by what I do not say, in my haste, rather than what I do say.
It is quite easy, for me, to assume others understand fully what I am saying when I do not in actuality provide enough information.
I tend to not overwhelm others with too much written information at once on the forum.
Long posts are boring and usually not fully read.

Originally posted by Echo2
Great post Dan. I have the same sort of feeling but could never quite verbalize as well as you. That which connects us all is someway realated to time.
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Thanks Echo.
Time would be involved.
I believe that the steps of accomplishments that we perceive as time will be someday recognized more as an asset rather than a liability.
When time is viewed more as slots of information, that can be accessed rather than merely as the ticking of a timepiece, it can become a vast source of information.

I believe that there is a relationship between time and even the most minute force of energy and energy can store the footprints of time. With consideration of my belief that energy is forever the stored time would continue forever.
Access of this time/energy combination would open worlds of possibilities.

Originally posted by Echo2
Great post Dan. I have the same sort of feeling but could never quite verbalize as well as you. That which connects us all is someway realated to time.

Only some sort of complete moron would believe in a mysterious "body fairy."

Obviously I'm being sarcastic, but I fail to see how one is somehow logical and Christianity is insane.

*In my belief there is no rules of what to eat or not eat, that is left up to the individual to interpret medical and scientific proof as to what is healthy and not.
*No chosen people to look down upon another and cause war and tribulation.
*Women have equal rights.
*All people are equal.
*No dress code or how to wear your hair.
*No forced covering of the female face in public.
*No rituals.
*No deity to worship.
*No idols to worship.
*No church.
*No minister.
*No looking down on another because of their sexual preference.
*No sin.
*Circumcision is up to the parents.
*No book is considered holy, only referenced for any good advice on everyday living.
*Man's common sense laws are considered for everyday living.
*There is no "religion" to mix with politics.
*Blood transfusions or any medical practice to save lives is considered helpful to man.
*A person is considered responsible for his/her own actions.
*No devil or demon to blame for the natural events in life.
*Nature is respected and enjoyed.
*There is no obligation to "share" these beliefs.
*You help another when you can.
*If you choose to pray it is merely a prayer to all forces to come together and assist you in accomplishing the task before you. A stimulation of the natural processes of life.
*What two consenting adults choose to do in private is strictly their business.
*There are no holy places to war and fight over.
*There are no holy days.
*Science is considered man's attempt at a more informed and better quality life.

The list could go on but I believe you get the idea.
Life is just common sense. What a prudent person would do in a given situation without regard given to gods and demons.


*Even the things I have listed above are not rules or regulations for another, just a brief explanation of how I personally look at life.
Have a great day....

:)

*What two consenting adults choose to do in private is strictly their business.I assume you are cool with two or more consenting adults doing as they choose.

Originally posted by Blob
I assume you are cool with two or more consenting adults doing as they choose.
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Yes, been there done that.

So Dan do you believe in Jung's theory of the Collective Unconscious...which is roughly the idea of all thought or knowledge being accessible and linked?

If the soul is just energy does it have a personality?

Do we exist after death as an individual or are we absorbed?


I will wait till you answer this first before I ask more.

Originally posted by ~Sal~
So Dan do you believe in Jung's theory of the Collective Unconscious...which is roughly the idea of all thought or knowledge being accessible and linked?
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Sal, I have not read about Jung. Will try to when I have time to see what it is all about, thanks. The things that I speak of I came up with on my own thru my own personal experiences.

If the soul is just energy does it have a personality?Quote.
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It contains, becomes much of the host thru the experiences and thoughts of the individual. The two sort of become one.

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I believe we are more individual yet connected with each other as in life. Time and distance exist no more.


I will wait till you answer this first before I ask more.
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O.k., feel free to ask anything. Just keep in mind that these are my beliefs and I am not in anyway trying to influence anyone to believe as I do.
I wish more people would post here of their own beliefs but many seem hesitant to put that much of themselves and inner thoughts in public.
Thanks for your interest.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
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O.k., feel free to ask anything. Just keep in mind that these are my beliefs and I am not in anyway trying to influence anyone to believe as I do.
I wish more people would post here of their own beliefs but many seem hesitant to put that much of themselves and inner thoughts in public.
Thanks for your interest.

Dan, Jung is bizarre in the extreme. I think he was brilliant...but he was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there. He began as a student of Freud. If I could go back and meet any dead person, it would be him. He works would fill a library quite literally. I have only skimmed the surface and to be honest most of it is over my head but I like it anyway.

Many, many present day aspects of psychology are based upon his work. If you have heard of the Myers-Brigg personality test, it mirrors his.

I know that what you have posted are your beliefs and that you are not trying to influence anyone to believe as you do.

I think I already posted mine in another thread just recently so thought I wouldn't jam it over again... :)

My beliefs are parallel to yours in someways but mine still encompass the Christian belief system as well. That would be because of my roots and I think there is some truth there as well.

So have I got this right: You believe that the expereince of the physical body that this energy inhabits affects the energy and thus begins to mold it?

When does the physical body get the energy or soul?

What made the energy to begin with?

What made the physical body?

Can a physical body be without that energy force?

Does evil exist?

enough for now... if I don't get the bbq cleaned there will be no dinner... if there is no dinner, there will be no wine and no dessert...

;) :D

Sal, thanks for the info. I will read some of Jung when I get a chance.

I will try to answer your questions as best I can. Leave room for error. For the things that I have experienced sometimes left me to my own interpretation. I surely do not know everything.

I feel that I am fortunate to have experienced many things.
As a young person I too was exposed to the religions of men.
Mainly baptist, mormon, and other southern beliefs.
These religions seemed incomplete and always slanted to anothers beliefs. The Bible was used as a directive and again it was filled with the words of others that I could not question.
My personal experiences, even as a youngster, were not explained in these religions. I was always encouraged to accept the words or books of others as complete truth without considering my own experiences that were in conflict.

I had dreams and "visions" while sleeping that seemed to explain things in a more understandable way to me. When I would have a 'dream' that would come true I began to put more faith in what I personally experienced than hear-say of others.
Why these things happen to me I do not know. My mother said possible because of my being born dead and the Dr.s giving up on me and after a while I came alive suddenly may have had something to do with it. I don't know, seems far fetched to me.

Never-the-less, I feelfortunate that I did not have to fit my experiences into a religion as possibly some of the writters of religious book had to.

When does the body get the energy or soul?

Seems to be at the joining of the egg and sperm. The soul being the smallest of particles has no problem with the smallness of conception.

What made the energy to begin with?

I really do not know. It is possible that energy has always been around. I know we have a problem considering no beginning as we know it but, some particles may have always been here.
It may get into the relationship of time and space where there is a continous loop.

What made the physical body?

I would think that it was the coming together of the basic building blocks of all that is. This could have been at the will of the "souls" for want of host. They seem to exist on a level that anything is created and maintained thru merely considering it. The only thing that seems to be missing in their existance is touch, emotion, smell, etc., the physical things we experience thru life. They carry these impressions back with them but they are still missing.

Can a physical body be without that energy force?

I believe so. My brother-in-law was hit by a car and lay on the pavement a long time without oxygen. For 13 years he was concious but "no one was home" so to speak. Could be that the life spark had left him, never to return. He eventually died.

Does evil exist?
That is a tough one for me to put into words.
I do not believe that a satan exists. No bad fighter for the soul of man. There appears to be souls that are in turmoil and not very pleasant. Possibly this is due to the influence of mentally deranged hosts that they came into contact with. Because the soul does take on much of the host. They seem harmless enough but if reincarnation does occur they might effect the new host in a negative way.
There may be a tendacy to reincarnate(if such occurs) to the same genetic line, therefore giving the inherited tendacies for certain medical weaknesses. There is an exchange of information between the soul and body.
Look at our genetic makeup as the basic blueprint of a building. When the soul joins the egg it is the "carpenter" that puts forth the effort to guide the work.

I know this seems "out there" in concept of life, but remember that we have always had to work off of the handed down nicely organized thinking of others. We have accepted much as fact that we truely do not know as truth.
Thanks again for your interest.

Look at our genetic makeup as the basic blueprint of a building.Some prefer the metaphor of a recipe for a cake. A blueprint is a literal mapping; a recipe is a set of instructions that have no resemblance and require processing.

That said, one strength of the blueprint metaphor is that blueprints are kept for further repairs and extensions; the recipe may be discarded and the cake eaten.

But neither analogy is fully satisfactory. The first implies an external sentient carpenter; the second a baker. Neither you nor I believe a separate sentient entity processes the recipe. Rather you seem to consider that something immaterial and possible self-consious but firmly intrinisic to the thing is the process; predictably I consider the laws of biochemistry which are not conscious but are external to thing to be the process.


I'd also like to mention the words energy and force. Presumably the former is a kind of potentiality (a 'noun') and the latter is a process (a 'verb'). But is this energy the same one that manifests itself as waves, motion and so on or is different? (and if so why call it energy?). And what is meant by the compound term "energy force" - perhaps this is a synonym for soul?

Blob thanks for the reply.
Yes, energy force is another word for soul. I consider it both latent and potential. I search for a name that I am satisfied with but as yet have found none. Will stick with soul because it is familiar to others.
Understand that I am having problems even puting the concept that I believe into words. So be patient in my wording of such.

You mention biochemistry. This is good. You see, I believe that everything has a scientific explanation. Just because we are incapable of explaining something thru modern methods does not mean the explanation is not there. Advancements in scientific research constantly brings about discoveries of conditions that we suspected but never were able to prove.

The processes that I have tried to explain, in my clumsy manner, I believe to be natural. Not processes of some being on a throne in a city of golden streets.
This I do not say to insult those of this belief but rather that I believe the investigation of such is hampered by superstitious beliefs going in the wrong direction.
There is no stimulation of discovery when one sits and waits for two deitys to fight each other and man's rewards to be in the afterlife.

Thanks for your input. Comments always welcome.

Yes I realised after I posted that I'd presented a false dichotomy implying you reject biochemistry in favour of another view. But you're not talking about how the molecules that make us up come together are you? I think you're interested in how consciouness arises from that system of molecules - an admittedly as of yet unexplained phenonemon.

I also put a typo in my energy comment; I meant to say of course if 'energy' is not that of waves, motion etc then why call it energy? I am interested because if it is the same then it is subject to the 1st law of thermodynamics (conservation) as well as quantifiable analysis; it can measured in Joules and its transformation ('power' in physics) can be measured in watts and so on.

Yes, my interest lies in the formation of what we call conciousness and how this conciousness could continue in some form after death.
On the type force or action involved:
I believe it to be kinetic in the sense that molecular movement can cause action and that action being measurable but not by todays equipment.
To give an example picture your hand in front of your eyes.
The view is obstructed. If the hand is put into action rapidly enough the view becomes somewhat unobstructed. If the hand can be moved rapidly enough it will seem to disappear from view.
Measurement of the bio-chemical action would be hard to detect because locating the minute action becomes a problem.
Time and action would have to be corolated perfectly.
As well the (energy) my be hidden by volt energy that we would pick up on present equipment that are also in the area.
The type of (energy) that I suspect is present may not register on Joules type equipment.

I know this seems "out there" in concept of life, but remember that we have always had to work off of the handed down nicely organized thinking of others. We have accepted much as fact that we truely do not know as truth.

Thanks for sharing Dan. When it comes down to it, we as humans can never really know "truth" at all at least not in absolute.

Yeah your stuff is out there alright, but no more so than my belief system or any other really.

I find it interesting that even as a child things you were taught just felt wrong to you. That definitely parallels my experience as well.

Also my mother like yours, encouraged me to seek my own way although she was far more Catholic in her structure than I, there was bizarre stuff handed down through our female line for generations...Second sight or a "knowing" being a part of that and was just seen as normal.

Having said that though, there was always the encouragement to "fit in" and not create waves or share much with others that would judge. I kind of quickly learned even as a child, when to speak and when to just let things pass and allow others to assume I thought in a "similar" manner to them. For the most part I still do that. Not because of fear but mainly because I find people either suck your energy or they share it, and then it flows.

If something is a huge energy drain with no return, it is foolish to waste it. I seldom argue with people who come from a completely different point of view unless I am drawn to them in some way. Then I will because there is a reason for it even though the reason may never be known. I also find we draw to ourselves the people and things that we need to grow. For me, every circumstance, every person, is an opportunity to grow, learn, and stretch ourselves which in turn makes life better.

I believe we return but not in the Buddhist sense for I do not embrace Karma. Although I do think every negative thing given out, draws a negative occurrence to us since like attracts like. I also think that we write sort of a loose script before our return and then we fill in the skeleton. Like we decide before we leave home who are parents will be, and what we need to achieve this time around.

I also think that once we attain a certain level of enlightenment, that if we chose to return then we return and lead... such as the Dalia Lama... or the pope, or a Mother Theresa. Although the religious affiliation itself is unimportant, it is the positive energy given to the world and the love produced etc.

Old souls and young or new souls...determines level...

Bizarre but works for me. My partner has a fundamentalist background and though he finds it and me strange at times... it still works. That's also something I have learned... even opposite beliefs can be fine together as long as there is mutual respect there and perhaps a bit of weirdness on the part of both involved... ;)

Thanks for sharing Sal.
I believe there are true aspects of belief in all of us. A bit shared here and there is probably a total sum. This is one reason a sharing of information is very important.

It seem in this life we have two types of people in conversations.
One speaking and listening and another listening for a chance to talk. But, I learned a long time ago that when I speak I can only say what I already know. When I listen I might learn.

I believe the "second sight" or "knowing" you speak of is a natural ability. I am not speaking of the 900 number psychic type thing but the human ability to sometimes perceive things that come not by the usual senses of sight, touch, etc., but by a process that we do not yet understand.

I believe the open minded person that is able to process information and personal experiences will progress rapidly and those that are somewhat closeminded by the following of one set of rules and guidelines are destined to slow expansion of awareness.

The main thing that I tell people that discuss such things with me is to become more aware. Notice more of the things that are occuring around you. What did that passing stranger say in a one time conversation? What was that dream really about? What bit of learning did I miss today because I was so caught up in busy work? Information can come from strange sources.

Thanks again for the posting.

Good post Dan well explained

I do have some questions about this next post though and your statement about common senseOriginally posted by Dan Fussell

*No looking down on another because of their sexual preference.

I do agree we should not look down on another for being homosexual, but does this make homosexualism correct. If we as a race were just starting out what good would being homosexual be? common sense would tell us it takes man - woman to exist not woman - woman
*No sin.

There are sins not those in the Bible{mans} but sins against nature and ourselfs.
*Circumcision is up to the parents.

This is the one I found most interesting, why fix something that is not broke? What is the purpose of circumcistion? there really is none. Also why should a parent have the right to cut up a child shouldn't we wait and let the child figure this out for themself?


*Man's common sense laws are considered for everyday living.

So should we use the majority of mans common sense or should we use what is good for all of society? example; 1000 people say it would be common sense to put up a new walsh** store. 100 people say you are destroying another wet land {many plants and animals} just so you don't have to drive an extra 10 miles. So common sense would be leave the land alone.


*There is no "religion" to mix with politics.

Just a comment, mans religion and politics are almost the same thing, a struggle for power. who ever forms the larger group gets the most power.


*A person is considered responsible for his/her own actions.

What about those with physical or mental problems? Most killers are not demons{I doubt any} but they do have a problem which causes them to kill.


*Nature is respected and enjoyed.

I agree with this very much but who sets the rules on how to follow nature, man or mother nature? Something that comes to mind, buildings, do we have the right to destroy so that we can have a Mc D's?

The list could go on but I believe you get the idea.
Life is just common sense. What a prudent person would do in a given situation without regard given to gods and demons.

As I said I agree with you, I just wanted to pick at a couple things and also ask who's common sense do we use? Man has a way of twisting what things are and even the definition of common sense is getting abused. What is good for man may not be good for nature. Just as what is good for 1 person may not be worth a squat for another.

mad dog, thanks for the questions. I do not have all the answers your replies are as good as mine. I can give you my opinions.
My attempts are only to try to encourage people to think on their own. To not necessarily follow handed down information at face value but to look at all information and form their own ideas of what works best.

*Homosexuality is a part of the human race. It probably began early in our existance and the human race has grown by leaps and bounds. I do not believe it effects the birth rate that much.

I will take this time to give my thoughts on why it exists.
If my belief on souls recycling is correct and the soul has retained an imprint of the previous life and what was male or female comes into the opposite genger in the next life by accident it could carry the traits of the previous gender with it. This would explain the "I have just always been this way" statement that I have had said to me by gay people.

*On sins- I believe what we call sin is just bad decisions.

*Circumcision- I was mainly speaking of certain religious instructions that make this practice a requirement.

*Common sense laws- At the point man is at in his/her mental development we apparantly need laws/rules to protect people from those that would act without regard to the privacy and health of others. What a prudent person would do in a given situation is all we have as an example. Somehow all the informations available must be gathered and a decision made.
Unfortunately, as in your store example, presently the dollar influence makes the decisions not what is good for all people in general.

*Those people with incapacitating mental problems must rely on caretakers helping them make prudent decisions. We have many laws in place to help these decisions be correct. Occasionally we see abuse of these decisions but hopefully are found out and corrected.

* I am not sure what you are saying about criminals but the best method of handling them at present is removing their influence from society. This is truly a result of their own actions.
In some circles of learning,by the influence of the local environment, that which is acceptable locally is not necessary what is accepted nationally.

*I believe man must learn to view the normal flow of nature and adjust his greed and expansion to co-exist. Man must learn to blend in rather than replace.
At present we clear a field of every living thing and pour concrete.
A method must be found where the building is in place but trees and habitats are intact. At some time financial profit must give way to what is good for the earth. For what is good for the earth is in the long run good for humanity.
I just hope these mental adjustments that we need will come before too much damage is done.

Thanks again.

DAN
My personal experiences, even as a youngster, were not explained in these religions. I was always encouraged to accept the words or books of others as complete truth without considering my own experiences that were in conflict.

I had dreams and "visions" while sleeping that seemed to explain things in a more understandable way to me. When I would have a 'dream' that would come true I began to put more faith in what I personally experienced than hear-say of others.

SAL
I find it interesting that even as a child things you were taught just felt wrong to you. That definitely parallels my experience as well.
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Having said that though, there was always the encouragement to "fit in" and not create waves or share much with others that would judge. I kind of quickly learned even as a child, when to speak and when to just let things pass and allow others to assume I thought in a "similar" manner to them. For the most part I still do that. Not because of fear but mainly because I find people either suck your energy or they share it, and then it flows.As a child I remember a feeling I couldn't verbalise at the time that there was something fundamentally wrong with people. I had dreams of the nuclear sirens going (this was the early eighties) and everyone in the dream acting ludicrously calm and normal whilst I panicked. I felt as though life and everything had an urgency and importance that no one else had any interest in. Everyone seemed so assured and disinterested in what it all means and how profound it all seems to be. I sometimes wondered if there was a great secret everyone got told on their 18th birthday so that everything makes sense; a secret that children could not be told for some unfathomable reason.

But then when you grow up you realise most people just don't know what they are talking about most of the time! AAAARRRRGGGGG!

As a young child I also struggled to understand myself and would stare closely into my own eyes wondering where I was in there.

A profound moment came as a teenager when I read 1984 by George Orwell. Here was a wimpy hero lost in a terrible and strange world; a world all the other characters in the book passively and mindlessly accept, or at least they pretend to. It is still my favourite book and I have read it many times.


I would relate my own feelings here as analogous with those you have both discussed. For me I suspect it is the result of living in age when we have vast amounts of knowledge and alternative viewpoints at our fingertips yet live in a fragmented, isolationist western society (I'm assuming you both do too).

To clarify: I'm assuming you both live in a western country (not that you agree with my views).

EDIT: And now I've actually remembered I could have just read your locations!!

Blob, I appreciate the depth of your post. Once again I have food for thought.

.I would relate my own feelings here as analogous with those you have both discussed. For me I suspect it is the result of living in age when we have vast amounts of knowledge and alternative viewpoints at our fingertips yet live in a fragmented, isolationist western society (I'm assuming you both do too).
I wonder just how many kids actually have such thoughts, questions, and feelings only to find that if they are expressed, they get stomped on, the feeling are then repressed and later forgotten since they serve no purpose for physical survival in the "real" world. But stomping on such things certainly kill a part of us.

I watched a documentary six or seven months ago. It was about a child genius. He was quite open in expressing his belief that he remembered God allowing him to choose his mother himself before he was born. He said he choose her because his genius was such a a gift that must be used for mankind's benefit and he knew this woman would love and support him in every possible which would in turn allow him to give in the way he needed to.

I do believe that children having been on earth only for a short time have a thinner membrane between here and there and thus sometimes see and hear and know things that an adult has been programmed not to pick up.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
mad dog, thanks for the questions. I do not have all the answers your replies are as good as mine. I can give you my opinions.
My attempts are only to try to encourage people to think on their own. To not necessarily follow handed down information at face value but to look at all information and form their own ideas of what works best.

I agree with this statement and also feel it is sad when people just do something because that is what so-and-so did.

*Homosexuality is a part of the human race. It probably began early in our existance and the human race has grown by leaps and bounds. I do not believe it effects the birth rate that much.

I will take this time to give my thoughts on why it exists.
If my belief on souls recycling is correct and the soul has retained an imprint of the previous life and what was male or female comes into the opposite genger in the next life by accident it could carry the traits of the previous gender with it. This would explain the "I have just always been this way" statement that I have had said to me by gay people.

I am not against homosexuals, their life their choice. My point is, as a species humans need to breed to survive being homosexual will not keep the species alive. I do understand your point about imprints, and in todays life being a homosexual doesn't really have an impact on the human survival rate. BUT in yesteryear if we had Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve there would have been a problem. I know this isn't the best example, sorry I hope you understand my point.


*On sins- I believe what we call sin is just bad decisions.

I agree sin and bad decision is close to the same thing. What I would label as a sin is when we kill the last of an animal for personal gain. When we destroy a wet land so some fat a** can get richer. What I consider a sin is something done by us against the natural order of things, that can not be reversed. A bad decision doesn't seem such a bad term but a sin seems everlasting. When I talk about sin I'm not judging who is going to heaven but more or less who as destroyed something that can never be replaced.

*Common sense laws- At the point man is at in his/her mental development we apparantly need laws/rules to protect people from those that would act without regard to the privacy and health of others. What a prudent person would do in a given situation is all we have as an example. Somehow all the informations available must be gathered and a decision made.
Unfortunately, as in your store example, presently the dollar influence makes the decisions not what is good for all people in general.

This is the problem, it makes sense to build a store so we can get even fatter and more lazy. The truth is we need another store like a hole in the head.

* I am not sure what you are saying about criminals but the best method of handling them at present is removing their influence from society. This is truly a result of their own actions.
In some circles of learning,by the influence of the local environment, that which is acceptable locally is not necessary what is accepted nationally.

I agree it is the persons actions that brought on his/her problem. The thing is that some people don't see killing as a bad thing. You are correct these people need to be removed from the rest. I was just making a comment about your statement of responsibility. Some day we may find the tic that makes a person kill and be able to remove it.

*I believe man must learn to view the normal flow of nature and adjust his greed and expansion to co-exist. Man must learn to blend in rather than replace.

Some day I would like to meet you I agree 1000%. My wife kids and I have adjusted our lifes very much not to abuse nature at 1st it was a little tuff but now it is a walk in the park, best of all it feels great not to be just another walking garbage pile. I am not perfect by no means, but if everyone could just do something small to help save energy, not polute etc.. things could change.


At present we clear a field of every living thing and pour concrete.
A method must be found where the building is in place but trees and habitats are intact. At some time financial profit must give way to what is good for the earth. For what is good for the earth is in the long run good for humanity.

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I just hope these mental adjustments that we need will come before too much damage is done.

The problem is that too much damage has allready been done. This does not mean we can't save what we have but 1st we have to want to then we need to make a real effort.

Mad dog, enough like minded people can make a change.
It has taken a long time to even reach the point we are at now, but it is a big world.
So many people are striving to stay alive that little attention is given to the things that make a difference.

If world wide attention could be given to nature as a living thing that bleeds when we cut it mankind would stand a chance of long term survival.
We as a species have been here a blink-of-the-eye. Yet we have reaped havock in those short years.

I can set in a forest and feel awe at what is going on around me. Yet, feel ashamed at what men do in the name of progress.

soul's what's left after they eat your spirit. john trudell.

yeah i got one, i believe in it, wanna see it?