List of New Slogans for Fox News:

"We bought Dennis Miller too"

"WindbagsRUs"

"Making the the world safe for stupidity"


"If you haven't heard it before, it's because we made it up"

"Unfair and Unbalanced"

"It must be true because Karl Rove said so"

"Goose-stepping in time with Conservative Republicans"

"The gospel according to Rove"

"Let's all rant and rave"

"Home of the Bickering Bitches"

"Fair and Balance...NOT!"--from a viewer

"We distort, You decide."--from a viewer

"Propaganda the way you like it: Straight from the horse's ass"--from a viewer

"Baffle with Bullshit"--From Richard in Las Vegas, NV

"Sly As A Fox"--from a viewer

"Spin to the Right Starts Here"--from a viewer

"Fox in the Chicken Coop News"--from Jim Brewster, Tacoma, WA

"Waterwings of the Right Wing"--from a Canadian viewer

"Bought & Paid For"--from a viewer

"The President's overpaid whores"--from Bethlyn in CA

"Combining 'T&A' with Conservative Family Values.....that's us, we're FOX!"--from Stanley S. Churchill, MS

"Cuisinart for the RNC"--from Michael

"Rupert's World"--from Michael

"Rupert in the Middle"

"America's Most Wanton"

"Literally 'King of the Hill'"

"Arrested Development II"

"Right Shining Bright"

"One Viewpoint - Works for Us!"

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"Fox: The Enchanted Forest of Network News"
"Bill & Sean, Bill & Sean, makes you keep your t.v.'s on! Go Foux! (yourself)"
"The FoxCroft United States of America Official White House Network"
"Why settle for just news when you can settle for Fox?"--all from Maria from Chicago

"Bush Broadcasting Corporation [BBC


"Fox News, watch this and get fat and stupid"

"Fox: Proud to add our voices to the Republican echo chamber--from viewer, Raphaela

"We won't confuse the issue with the facts"--from viewer, Trisha

"We're here, we're too far right, get used to it"--from viewer, Mel McGee

"Fox News, Shit or Shinola, You Decide!"--from viewer, Patrick Stephens

"News, Shmooz...We can't be bothered with that - if ya' want news, try CNN"--from a viewer named Sunny

"Your News 'Bull' Market"--from viewer, Jim Ginch

"Fox Jazeera"--from a viewer named Dan

"Sheeples News! Maximum Cant, Minimum Balance!" --from viewer Lehmberg, AL

"We're so damn sly, we don't even have to try to lie!" --from viewer Nick, IL

"Fair & Balanced? Ask O'Reilly and Hannity!" --From viewer Vic, FL

"Let Freedom Re(s)ign" --from a viewer

"Fox News: Bushes Monica" -- from viewer Narine, NY

"The party line all the time, and if you disagree, go FOX yourselves!" --from viewer Steven, GA

"Your worst nightmare: A bunch of rabid right-wing zealots with a whole network as a fascist playground." --from viewer Drew, CO

"We distort it, you just listen." --from viewer John, OH

"Wecome to the Asylum" --from viewer Barbara, TX

"Right-wing Spin Zone" --from a viewer

"Stale smoke blowing from the right" --from a viewer

"The Subversion Zone" --from a viewer

"FOX NEWS: For those who can't handle the truth." --from a viewer

"FOX NEWS: Where up is down, black is white, hot is cold, and Bush is great." --from a viewer

"FOX NEWS: You don't have to be honest if you're right." --from a viewer

"Refusing to be trapped into mourning the loss of troops or asking out loud why we are in Iraq" --from a Doonesbury reference to a memo from an editor to Fox News staffers

"If you aren't getting dumber, we aren't doing our job."

"FOX NEWS: We will tell any lies to help Bush win a second term" --from viewer Ira, NY

"FOX NEWS: The Bush ass- kissing channel" --from viewer Ira, NY

"Bill O'Reilly - Not so O'Really!!" --from a viewer

"Take a Peak at Double Speak!" --from Sylvia, CA

"Agree with us or SHUT UP, JUST SHUT UP!" --from a viewer

"Outhenned by the Fox in the White House" --from a viewer

"For fox sake!" --from viewer Michael, South Africa

"Fox News supports George W.Bush,
Though he makes bad decisions while sitting on his tush,
Fox will glamorize what Dubya does,
Even though his brain cells are compressed, flaky fuzz." --from viewer Bill, PA

"Fox in the Bush-House: Virtual news from the virtual president." --from viewer Dr. Pam, SD

"Right, where we want you"
"Psychosis Television"
"Alternate Reality Television"
"Fo(lie Ã_ deu)x (Just us and you)" --from viewer Thane, Japan

"Don't be wise - Just buy our lies" --from viewer Jimmy, CA

"FNN - The Fascist News Network" --from viewer Robert, WV

"It really FOX with your brain."
"Be afraid. Stay home. Watch FOX."
"Yellow journalism never looked so white!"
"Fox Facts: From the White House to you!"
"Re-elect Bush or we'll run out of news."
"We look stupid so Bush doesn't have to."
"Keep your eyes on the Blue Dress!"
"Only leftist homos watch anything else."
"Don't worry, we'll become unpatriotic and unsupportive *if* President Kerry takes office; that's fair and balanced!" --from a viewer

"FOX News -- Spread it Around (Works great on the lawn!" --from a viewer

"We Distort, You Comply!"
"We Don't Tell You Anything We Don't Want You To Know!"
"Pay no attention to that smirking creep behind the curtain!"
"Lies! We are the Lying Liars who tell them!"
"Fox News...because we know what's good for you."
"Fox. We speak out if one side of our ass...the RIGHT side!"
"Fox News...We have "liberal" commentators...but they are pale and have no balls."
"Right is Might!"
"There IS no vast right-wing conspiracy! It's RIGHT out in the open on Fox!"
"Fox! Where Kobe is bigger than Kerry!"
"Fox...All Michael Jackson, all the time!"
"Fox! Our polls reflect how we really feel!"
"Put down your shotgun, pop open a beer and turn the antenna on your trailer to Fox! We won't disappoint you! "
"You know you're a redneck if you believe Fox News!" --from viewer Susan, TX

"Pox Vocali"
"Foxy Noose--for those too stupid to read and too lazy to think!" --from viewer "caretaker" in IN

"SHUT UP! LISTEN!... now do what you're TOLD!!" --from viewer J.P. in CA

"Trust us, we are smarter than you." --from a viewer

"Fox News - slanting the facts so you don't have to." --from a viewer

"America's snooze channel." --from a viewer

"The all Spin Zone." --from a viewer

"Your best source for trickle-down news." --from a viewer

"Fox News Channel. Proving why America needs to pay attention." --from a viewer

"Unbiased browbeating" --from a viewer

"Fox - America's news source (as long as you're not liberal)" --from a viewer

"When conservative just isn't conservative enough" --from a viewer

"Fox News: favoring Bush more than porno!" --from a viewer

"Don't let the news confuse you - that's our job." --from a viewer

"Demagogue Central!" --from a viewer

"Straight reporting, homo free!" --from a viewer

"FOX - News for the nucular family." --from a viewer

"Fair and balanced distorting" --from a viewer

"Always fair and balanced and stupid and ignorant and bigoted" --from a viewer

"Fanatically Narrow-minded Conceptions" --from a viewer

"FNC - Life Unexamined" --from a viewer

"FOX - Fostering O'Reillian Xenophobes" --from a viewer

"Fox News - a Bush league of its own" --from a viewer

"Fair and balanced regressivism" --from a viewer

"FNC - putting the "pure" in puerile" --from a viewer

"World news in the right light" --from a viewer

"Fox News: Hail to the Thief...I mean CHIEF!" --from a viewer

"Fox News: We don't lie! We just don't tell the truth!" --from viewer Moe, in England

"Fox News: Just cuz we made it up, doesn't mean it won't happen" --from a viewer in England

"FOX NEWS, Where PROPOGANDA IS KING" --from a viewer

"FNC: Fake News Conspiracy" --from a viewer

"The nation's misleading news source" --from a viewer

"Trust us because we can read you this crap and still keep a straight face!" --from a viewer

"We'd be even funnier if so many people did't think we were the voice of God" --from a viewer

"Don't call us if you don't agree" --from a viewer

"The home of Bully O'Reilly and his clone Sham Hannity" --from a viewer

"The news source George Orwell predicted" --from a viewer

"We can put a conservative spin on hog market reports" --from viewer Ken, IL

"Protecting the 'American Dream' for the few affluent actually living it" --from a viewer

"Laissez-faire imbalanced!" --from a viewer

"America's context-free news provider" --from a viewer

"News you can't get anywhere else, because we made it up" --from viewer Ken, IL

"Whadda you mean it was called propaganda in the Soviet Union? You gotta problem whit dat?" -- from viewer Ken, IL

"Information for the people by the Right, for the Right. No further discussion is needed nor allowed........unless you agree 100%" --from a viewer

"Real news covered up to the highest standards" --from a viewer

"Impaired and callous" --from a viewer

"SMEAR FACTOR" --from a viewer

"We won't bore you with confusing facts and the truth" --from a viewer

"There is no gravity, FOX SUCKS!" --from viewer Susan, CA

"WE'RE BUSH'S 527" --from viewer Ira, NY

"We get even with all those pointy-headed liberals that laugh at you" --from a viewer

"Keep it Right here!" --from a viewer

"Don't change the channel or you might miss more B**S**" --from viewer Ken, IL

"Helping Bush Fox the American public" --from viewer Greg, GA

"We can distort the news because our viewers don't require context"

"FOX SPEWS!"
"Fox News: The living embodiment of Joseph Geobbels"
"Fox News: Fair like cancer, balanced like Louis XV"
"Fox News: It's not just for Brown Shirts, anymore" --from viewer Lee, Mountain View

"Jingo is, jingo is, jingoism is the way..." --from a viewer

"Fox News: replacing cogent argumentation with good old-fashioned vitriol!" --from a viewer

"FNCGOP" --from a viewer

"Fox News: Because you're too stupid to know the truth" --from viewer Daniel, PA

"SHUT UP! Now, as we told you fifteen minutes ago.......SHUT UP!" --from viewer Ken, IL

"Stay tuned because bu..sh.. happens" --from viewer Ken, IL

"Fox news and convention production company" --from a viewer

"Are we really lying if it's for a good cause?" --from a viewer

"Fox News: Fairly Unbalanced" --from viewer John, LA

"Not Necessarily News" --from a viewer

"FOX W. NEWS: Is the dubya for White Supremacy or Warmongor? We'll let you decide. " --from a viewer

"Covering news across the Solar System - from our mouths to Uranus" --from a viewer

"FOX NEWS: If you want intelligent reporting go to Comedy Central's "The Daily Show", but for a good laugh tune into us." --from a viewer

"Specializing in news for the unedumacated" --from a viewer

"We really are fair and balanced because we let Juan Williams talk for a few seconds every Sunday morning (What are you thinking Juan?)" --from a viewer

"FoxNews: Fair and Balanced (I'm George W. Bush and I approved this message)" -- from a viewer

"Frighteningly Obvious Xcrement" --from viewer Gene, NC

"FOX out of the White(hen)House" --from viewer JS Boyd, MD

"We decide so you don't have to!" --from viewer Beth, GA

"Unfair and Biased" --from viewer Mark, Altoona

"The FCC should be fining us too for indecency"

"FOX SUX!" --from a viewer

"It's not Propaganda, it's Hypothetical Reporting!" --from a viewer

"Watch Fox News - No other channel has B.O." --from a viewer

"Uncovering sex scandals on The O'Reilly Factor" --from a viewer

"Direct news from the front lines of OIL (Operation Iraqi Liberation)" -- from a viewer

"We learned our cheap shots and dirty tricks from the Republicans" --from a viewer

"Oil's well that ends well!" --from a viewer

"FOX NEWS? Replace our "o" with a "u" 'cause that's what we do! --from a viewer

"You are watching FOX NEWS: the new CNN, where the "C" is for crap!" -- from viewer Murita

"Because you always need fear"
"All flair, no credibility"
"We spew diarrhea, so you don't have to!"
"Because we control the media"
"Because you're too lazy to discredit us"
"Self-righteous incompetence"
"The McDonald's of news networks" --from viewer Michael, NH

"FEAR and BALONEY" --from viewer Jesse, NV

"THE FOX REICH"
"FOX BLURB NATION"
"WE'RE FOX NEWS; AND WRONG IS RIGHT"
"FOX NEWS'05:THE LOBOTOMY TOUR" --from Turk, IN

"Baffled by the Bushshit...I mean BULLshit" -- from a viewer

"Fox News: Proud Home of the Hick Magnates" --from Jennifer, IN

"Leaning so far to the right we sometimes fall over..." --from Jack, MA

"We distort, you subscribe" --from Keith, OH

"Fox News---- where reality is not relevant" --from a viewer

"FNN (Fascist Neocon Network)---We tell you what to think!" --from a viewer

"Fox News - You're a terrorist if you watch anything else"
"Fox News - Because Bush said so"
"Fox News - KILL THE TERRORISTS!!!! No the Muslim ones not the Republicans"
"Fox News - All the truth, all the time, all the way from Bush's mouth"
"Fox News - Bush. If only all men were like you *sigh* In other news Fox would like to point out that it does not favour any administration"
"Fox News - Why the hell are you watching this shit?"
"Fox News - Bias towards Bush?!?!?!?!? What have you been watching!!!!!!" --from a viewer

"Thinking is tough work. Leave it to us." - The Fox News Channel - A refreshing start for brain-dead individuals" --from a viewer

"Either you are with us or you are against us" - Fox News Channel - "You can run but you cannot hide" --from a viewer

"O'Reilly Fact-err - The Nose Pin Zone" --from a viewer

"FOX - The Frustrated Old Xenophobes news network" --from Greg, PA

"Bush re-elected. Mission accomplished"
"Kerry's been shot. News at 3:00 AM"
"Tilted talking heads and proud of it"
"Catering to Bubbas and Biblethumpers for four elections now" --from viewer Rob

"The Stepford News----Held together with Screw---balls!"
"Listen and Watch ONLY to Find the Morals & Values-----NOT!"
"Stand with Us & Topple the United States" --from Debbie, NV

"Robots' Rhetoric and Stepford Women-24/7" --from a viewer

"An unfair and biased look at the wrong" --from a viewer

"Why go ask Alice? Try Fox!"
"Fox, right as reign!" --from viewer Waddie, CA

"Fox: The only only Network that shows were the troops WILL be."
"Fox: We will take you flip-floppers...Like Mr. Miller" --from viewer Chris, WV

"Maximum news with minimum Trust" --from Misbah, Pakistan

"Fox News - First in Right Wing Lemming Blather"
"Fox News - Can you believe this shit?"
"Fox News - Blindly lead by Bushisms" -- from a viewer in WA

"The Daily Show, no longer the only fake news" -- from Joseph, KY

"All the news we made up" -- submitted by a viewer

"FOX: Redefining 'A new low'"
"Fox: Fake news for fake people"
"FOX: Keeping the mass in a state of fear since the Republicans came to power" --from viewer Dan, PA

"99% bullshit - and we're working on the rest" --from Alice, UK

"9 out of 10 white supremists prefer us"--from a viewer

"Less content than porn without a plot"
"We're like the CIA...without the intelligence" --from a viewer

"Fox News: Blight Made Right"
"Dumbing down the news so everyone can understand it." --from a viewer

"Bullshit with flavour" --from Waqar in Pakistan

"News That Is Unbalanced And Fabricated - If You Want The Truth Find Another Source" --from viewer George, IA

"Keeping the People misinformed" --from a viewer in Germany

"I'm George Bush and I approve of this news."
"If you didn't hear it from us then I couldn't have happened." --from Arlough, UT

"We're always RIGHT!" --from Patricia, VA

"Fox News: THE Mother of Invention"
"Fox News: Air Heads of the Air Waves"
"Fox News: Fair and Balanced just like the Bush budget..."
"Fox--where we care enough to vend the very least"
"Fox--at the bottom of your television dial" -- from viewer GG

"Fox News-Fairly Biased" --from Mike, NJ

"Foxzi News"
"Dutchland under Ailes"
"Far Unbalanced"
"The Mistrusted Name in News"
"We distort, lie, and hide"
"Ratso Reilly"
" The No Spine Zone" --from Adam, MA

"Fox: We're so right we're wrong!" --from Justin, S. Africa

"73% opinion..the rest fact"

"Fox News: Because ignorance really is bliss!!"
"Fox News: The official "News" service of the Fatherland" --from a viewer

"Fare and Balanst" (the Fox slogan as meaningless gibberish) --from Rick

"Fox News: Are we right, or are we right?" --from a viewer

"Fox News: Simple News For Simple Minds" --from Mark, PA

And it's funny to hear them call themselves "The most unbiased news network on television.":rolleyes:

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
And it's funny to hear them call themselves "The most unbiased news network on television.":rolleyes:

It is part of the increasingly Orwellian world we live in.....where up is down, where the most aggregious and preposterous lies are called "the palin truth", where massive taxcuts for the wealthy are a dire necessity but programs that help the People are "government waste", where bombing people from 30,000 feet is "liberating" them and where those who are desperate to save the ecosphere for the future of the human race are labelled "envirowackos".

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somone has wayyyyyyyyy too much time on their hands....

Fox News: The Truth Hurts

Uh oh - if all of this is in fact true, then I better get my news from a more reliable source like CBS...

Thanks for the "heads-up", FT.

Through non-American eyes Fox news is uncouth and distorted, certainly in contrast to the mainstream News channels of UK, France and Spain. The reports are sensationalist and uninformative; and the analysis is neither sober nor scholarly.

Originally posted by Blob
Through non-American eyes Fox news is uncouth and distorted, certainly in contrast to the mainstream News channels of UK, France and Spain. The reports are sensationalist and uninformative; and the analysis is neither sober nor scholarly.

You think Fox is bad, you should catch our "mainstream" junk.

How about, "We report, O'Reilly decides."

Gee guys,

If Fox is so bad, then why is it so popular? I mean, why is Fox THE most popular news outlet? Any time that people get sick and tired of all the supposed lies that Fox peddles, they can always change the channel. Problem is, people don't seem to be getting sick and tired of Fox, they keep on watching it. It's the free market thing, people can choose what to buy, and they aren't buying liberal spin. I guess that hurts, dammit.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Uh oh - if all of this is in fact true, then I better get my news from a more reliable source like CBS../
Try BBC.

Fox is sensatiolist garbage. I refuse to watch them.

Fox News: We Distort, You Deride.

CNN, MSNBC, and the local feeds out of Atlanta do the job pretty well. I don't watch FOX.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Gee guys,

If Fox is so bad, then why is it so popular? I mean, why is Fox THE most popular news outlet? Any time that people get sick and tired of all the supposed lies that Fox peddles, they can always change the channel. Problem is, people don't seem to be getting sick and tired of Fox, they keep on watching it. It's the free market thing, people can choose what to buy, and they aren't buying liberal spin. I guess that hurts, dammit.

Actually this issue speaks to the intellegence of the masses. Most Americans are too stupid to know when they are being peddled bullshit on a stick. Sad, but true. i.e. If fast food is so bad for us healthwise - why do Americans flock to it like flies to shit?

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Gee guys,

If Fox is so bad, then why is it so popular? I mean, why is Fox THE most popular news outlet? Any time that people get sick and tired of all the supposed lies that Fox peddles, they can always change the channel. Problem is, people don't seem to be getting sick and tired of Fox, they keep on watching it. It's the free market thing, people can choose what to buy, and they aren't buying liberal spin. I guess that hurts, dammit. So popularity means quality.

I guess bigmacs are nutritious, coke is healthy and microsoft more robust than apple.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal

If Fox is so bad, then why is it so popular? I mean, why is Fox THE most popular news outlet?

Because the masses that make up the incredibly ignorant American Public have become SO propagandized that they actually PREFER lies to the truth.

A perfect example is the war in Iraq.

The rightwing flagwavers here cannot face the truth that Bush led this country into a war on a false premise, throwing away several hundred billions of taxdollars and throwing away untold thousands of lives........they (i.e., the average dupe who watches and believes Faux News) will tell themselves anything to avoid facing the facts.

Other examples abound, on virtually every issue facing the gullible masses.

Echo and Freethinker,

You guys just don't have a lot of faith in the American people, do you?

The ironic thing about this "the average American is just stupid" argument is that the NEA is THE teacher's union here in the U.S. and they are decidedly liberal. So, if Joe Six Pack is just too stupid to understand complicated and quality news, the question asks itself, whose fault is it?

The bottom line is this, Fox news DOES allow for a conservative voice to be heard. Whether or not one agrees with what conservatives say or not, it's this side of the argument, that is almost entirely missing in the rest of the media, is what attracts people.

The ironic thing about this "the average American is just stupid" argument is that the NEA is THE teacher's union here in the U.S. and they are decidedly liberal. So, if Joe Six Pack is just too stupid to understand complicated and quality news, the question asks itself, whose fault is it?
How does "teachers" being more liberal have anything to do with "smart people in America"? My mother was a teacher, and she taught in a very conservative town, where the parents didn't give a flying fuck about homework or grades. The teacher can only do so much. It's really up to the parents, most of the time. The kids that do well, are the kids that have parents who are squared away and actually care and help their children with school. Typically, those are the only kids that do well. The kids with parents who don't care, flunk out, usually. This isn't in all cases, but most of them.

The bottom line is this, Fox news DOES allow for a conservative voice to be heard.
So do the other stations. I was watching MSNBC the other night and they had the 2000 Gore advisor and the 2000 Bush advisor debating some issue, I forget which. Most stations are fairly equal, you just think they aren't because you are brainwashed by right-wing idiots.

that is almost entirely missing in the rest of the media, is what attracts people.
Yes, the "liberal media" ruined Clinton over him getting a blow job. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Overdose
Yes, the "liberal media" ruined Clinton over him getting a blow job. :rolleyes:
Overdose - that had nothing to do with media bias, and everything to do with popular news. People were blown away by the fact that the president of the United States could cheat on his wife, while lying about it under oath. It was simply unfathomable...

I would guess that the average american who voted in the 2000 election has a 10th grade education, doesn't read the newspaper and gets what little news they do hear about from TV sound bites. They are easily swayed with emotional maipulation and have almost no understanding of economics, foriegn affairs or how our government works.

Remember, that election had a bigger turnout than normal. Thousands of people voted who normally don't vote, don't know what's going on and don't care. Their paster told them to vote so they did.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Overdose - that had nothing to do with media bias, and everything to do with popular news. People were blown away by the fact that the president of the United States could cheat on his wife, while lying about it under oath. It was simply unfathomable...
Of course it was going to be in the media. But instead of attacking Clinton for getting a blow job and lying, they ruined him as President. They took away everything he did well as President, because of this one incident that had nothing to do with how he was as President. That's where the bias comes in and shows the media is hardly liberal.

Gee, if Fox is so bad, why is it so popular? Too many people watch cable news and think it is gospel.
One thing I have noticed. If they had a guest on saying that the US should be more of a republic (elected officials rather than appointed), Fox would have two people in favor of rule by Royality. Is that all bad$$$$$$$$.

The idea of a free press is not that all media sources be unbiased, or indeed that any of them be so. The idea of a free press is that all viewpoints be allowed to be published. If you don't like the views and news on FOX, don't listen to it. If PBS offends you, ignore it. Even better; listen to both, think about what you have heard, and make up your own mind. Some effort on the part of the citizens is required to make the free press and democracy work.
The real threat to American democracy is not the lack of diverse views in the press, because those diverse views exist. The real threat to American democracy is the laziness of the American citizens in finding, reading, and thinking about what they have learned.

Nice post, Imagineer - I fully concur. :)

Originally posted by Echo2
I would guess that the average american who voted in the 2000 election has a 10th grade education, doesn't read the newspaper and gets what little news they do hear about from TV sound bites. They are easily swayed with emotional maipulation and have almost no understanding of economics, foriegn affairs or how our government works.



I agree. Who got more votes that year?

2004 had an even larger turn out. That year, every idiot that was old enough to vote was driven down to the local voteing place by his fellow parishoners so he could vote the christain line and keep that tree huggin, pinko commie, god hateing kerry from becoming president. Amen and jesus loves ya!

Originally posted by Echo2
2004 had an even larger turn out. That year, every idiot that was old enough to vote was driven down to the local voteing place by his fellow parishoners so he could vote the christain line and keep that tree huggin, pinko commie, god hateing kerry from becoming president. Amen and jesus loves ya!
Way to ignore Brooks...

Originally posted by Echo2
2004 had an even larger turn out. That year, every idiot that was old enough to vote was driven down to the local voteing place by his fellow parishoners so he could vote the christain line and keep that tree huggin, pinko commie, god hateing kerry from becoming president. Amen and jesus loves ya!

Most of the church get out the vote campaigns are run by Rainbow/Push in primarily African-American communities. Not exactly a major Republican voting block.

As for media bias, it's not as simple as having a Republican and a Democrat debate an issue, it's how the debate is presented, what news is presented, how the issues are framed, etc. It's not something that's going to jump right out at you.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
As for media bias, it's not as simple as having a Republican and a Democrat debate an issue, it's how the debate is presented, what news is presented, how the issues are framed, etc. It's not something that's going to jump right out at you.
I agree. I don't think the media is "one or the other" it's a mix. Sometimes shows on stations can be more liberal, sometimes they can be more conservative. It just depends. There is no "mainstream liberal or conservative" media.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
So, if Joe Six Pack is just too stupid to understand complicated and quality news, the question asks itself, whose fault is it?


?!?!?!

Maybe 1% of the news output in the US is **quality** news that takes a complex, critical and unflinchingly honest view [I would include Amy Goodman of *Democracy Now*, and Seder/Garafalo of *the Majority Report*] of the social and political events of the world......and Joe Sixpack sees virtually NONE of it, nor ever has occasion to come into contact with it.

Originally posted by Imagineer

The real threat to American democracy is not the lack of diverse views in the press, because those diverse views exist. The real threat to American democracy is the laziness of the American citizens in finding, reading, and thinking about what they have learned.

I disagree.

The one view --and it might be the most important of all-- that does NOT exist in any mainstream Media source is the view that demands accountability of the people who control this nation; the Corporate Masters.

Corporations OWN all of the primary (IOW, commonly accessible) sources of news/information that reach Joe and Jane Sixpack.........and they do NOT ---to put it mildly-- allow their crimes and machinations and predatory practices and destruction of the environment to be disseminated on their nationally televised nightly "news" programs.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Maybe 1% of the news output in the US is **quality** news that takes a complex, critical and unflinchingly honest view .

Right, the view that coincides with your preconceived notions.

Originally posted by Freethinker
I disagree.

The one view --and it might be the most important of all-- that does NOT exist in any mainstream Media source is the view that demands accountability of the people who control this nation; the Corporate Masters.

How would you hold them accountable?

Originally posted by Vilepagan
How would you hold them accountable?

Reporting the truth about them is the only way to hold their feet to the fire.

Even then, many will ---because of the systematic **God-Guns-n-Guts** brainwashing that has gone on in this society for decades--- refuse to listen, even when the facts are incontrovertible, such as the case with Iraq not having any WMDs.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Right, the view that coincides with your preconceived notions.


As a freethinker, I don't really go in for *pre-conceived* notions. Its better to judge the facts of each circumstance or issue on their own merit.

Sadly, the facts --especially when it concerns Corporate wrongdoing or wrongdoing by powerful (IOW, conservative) people in politics--- rarely if ever see the light of day in this country.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Reporting the truth about them is the only way to hold their feet to the fire.

Even then, many will ---because of the systematic **God-Guns-n-Guts** brainwashing that has gone on in this society for decades--- refuse to listen, even when the facts are incontrovertible, such as the case with Iraq not having any WMDs.

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As a freethinker, I don't really go in for *pre-conceived* notions. Its better to judge the facts of each circumstance or issue on their own merit.

Sadly, the facts --especially when it concerns Corporate wrongdoing or wrongdoing by powerful (IOW, conservative) people in politics--- rarely if ever see the light of day in this country.

You are wrong about your point of view not being reported, it is. The many links posted on this forum to such information prove that. You are also correct that most of that reporting isn't available on the corporate media. It requires some slight effort to find it. That most people don't bother is a matter caused by several factors. First, people don't take the time. They are busy, and not all that interested anyway. Their families, jobs, and lives take up all their time. Unless their own personal life is falling apart they will pay no attention.
Another factor is that many people do work for those corporations. They see attacks on corporations as attacks on their security. To step outside that box disturbs them.
Another group actively agrees with an agenda that you disagree with. It is absolutely their right to do so. Not I, nor you, nor anyone else has a monopoly on the truth. You are absolutely free to promote your opinions, and to publicize the facts that support them. If enough people are interested you will become the mainstream.
It has happened before, witness the news coverage of Vietnam. The first few years of the war all the coverage on the networks was pro-war. Then for another year or two, it was mixed. By the last couple of years, most of the coverage of the war was negative. What changed was the weight of public opinion, and it changed because the alternative media reported the facts.

Originally posted by Freethinker

Corporations OWN all of the primary (IOW, commonly accessible) sources of news/information that reach Joe and Jane Sixpack.........and they do NOT ---to put it mildly-- allow their crimes and machinations and predatory practices and destruction of the environment to be disseminated on their nationally televised nightly "news" programs.

You act as though the corporations are a sort of "Shamanfreeguerilladop" single thought multi-headed hydra.

You don't think right wing Rupert Murdoch would love to nail the corporations that fall under the aegis of left wing Time Warner, and visa-versa?

This conspiracies-everywhere vision is starting to look like paranoia.

Just because you are paranoid does not meen everone isn't out to get you. LOL.

Originally posted by Freethinker
As a freethinker, I don't really go in for *pre-conceived* notions. Its better to judge the facts of each circumstance or issue on their own merit.

I have little doubt that you perceive yourself to be a freethinker. But I've seen absolutely no indication of it yet.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Its better to judge the facts of each circumstance or issue on their own merit.
It's good to know you always do that accurately...

Originally posted by The Praetorian
It's good to know you always do that accurately...

It may well be the case that I do not always do it *accurately*.

But I do reject all preconceived notions.......they are the antithesisis of freethought. Freethinkers rely on logic combined with empiricism.

Freethinkers form opinions about issues, happenings, suppositions or ideas witg NO dependence on tradition, authority, or establihsed belief. That ---regardless of what Lionel says-- describes my approach exactly.

Originally posted by Brooks
You don't think right wing Rupert Murdoch For the record Rupet Murdoch is a shrewd and opportunistic businessman, and his political colours are correspondingly variable. For several years in the UK he has explicitly supported Tony Blair. His crappy but popular sensationalist newspaper The Sun has explicitly supported Labour since 1997.

When the Tories were popular prior to that he explicitly supported them. (Although it's more complex than that in reality - depressingly The Sun is Britain's best selling daily and its views have some impact on the outcome of elections).

Originally posted by Blob
For the record Rupet Murdoch is a shrewd and opportunistic businessman, and his political colours are correspondingly variable.

Then I'll re-word it to say " You don't think shrewd and opportunistic businessman Rupert Murdoch....."

Originally posted by Freethinker
But I do reject all preconceived notions.......they are the antithesisis of freethought. Freethinkers rely on logic combined with empiricism.

Freethinkers form opinions about issues, happenings, suppositions or ideas witg NO dependence on tradition, authority, or establihsed belief. That ---regardless of what Lionel says-- describes my approach exactly.


"Free"thinker - I'm as pro President Bush as anyone here, but I don't think anyone can be 100% right or wrong. I disagree with the President on global warming possibilities, his laid back approach to the environment, the Mexican border, undocumented worker amnesty among other things.

My opinions aren't stifled by my politics. What are some issues in which a true "Free"thinker believes the president and the Republicans are doing a good job?

Originally posted by Brooks
"Free"thinker - I'm as pro President Bush as anyone here, but I don't think anyone can be 100% right or wrong.

I would agree.......but i would add that it IS at least possible for a dishonest group of political operatives to gain power and to have a negative effect on the vast majority of issues ofimportance to a society.

Originally posted by Brooks
My opinions aren't stifled by my politics.

Neither are mine. I look at every issue or political initiative ---regardless of what letter a politician has by their name-- and judge it on it's own merits or failings.

Originally posted by Brooks
What are some issues in which a true "Free"thinker believes the president and the Republicans are doing a good job?

I can think of several areas, off the top of my head, where they deserve praise.

They did an excellent job paying homage to the new Pope, making him feel welcome, and feel like he can have some input on world issues.

They are doing an excellent job of making sure that the voices and opinions of religious people in America are heard in Washington, and that they are deeply intertwined with governmental policy.

Also, in cutting veteran's benefits, they are doing a very good job of reducing government spending -- in that area.

Originally posted by Freethinker
I can think of several areas, off the top of my head, where they deserve praise.

They did an excellent job paying homage to the new Pope, making him feel welcome, and feel like he can have some input on world issues.

They are doing an excellent job of making sure that the voices and opinions of religious people in America are heard in Washington, and that they are deeply intertwined with governmental policy.

Also, in cutting veteran's benefits, they are doing a very good job of reducing government spending -- in that area. Yeah, Brooks - you see...FT is totally objective when he looks at the "big picture". :thumbs:

Originally posted by The Praetorian
...FT is totally objective when he looks at the "big picture".

Yes actually, I am.

If Bush and his fellow Rightwingers in Washington were to do something, support something or impliment some initiative or policy that is fair, just and humane, that is beneficial to the People, that places their needs and interests above the interests of Corporations, I will be more than happy to laud them and congratulate them.