I am currently a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but I am thinking about getting out. Does anyone know of the Mormon Church, and if so, what are your thoughts on the Church--Christianity in it's purest form, or a cult??

ClassAction,

You are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you are not a Mormon.


Tentmaker

What is your point? "Mormon" is a nickname. That doesn't have anything to do with my question.

ClassAction,

Your question was:

"Does anyone know of the Mormon Church, and if so, what are your thoughts on the Church-"

Note that you identified the church as the "Mormon church". My response was that you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You are not a member of the Mormon Church, nor are you a Mormon.

To the contrary, Mormon is far more than merely a nickname for the followers of Joseph Smith.

Thus, I answered a critical portion of your question.


Tentmaker

Ok, if you want to be technical. Does anyone know about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? That is what I meant, and you know it.

You can always go to atheism, the belief system of logic and intelligence. All religion is is a primitive way of explaining things that weren't otherwise explainable in the past but now, with modern science, is quite explainable. There are even secular theories regarding the beginning of the universe.

ClassAction,

No, that is not what I would assume from the structure of your question.

I know plenty about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. However, in order to discuss the pertinent aspects relative to your question it would be necessary to know whether you are male or female, and if male are you and Elder (that is, have you been on a mission)?


Tentmaker

I am male. I am not an Elder. I have been a member for 7 months now. I am assuming that you are either knowledgable of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or you are a member yourself. Is either one of these assumptions correct?

ClassAction,

First, I am not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Yes, I am knowledgeable of the LDS and also of the true Mormon Church.

I am also knoweageable of "true Christianity".

So where do you wish to start? (I will assume you have no actual knowledge of the LDS, Mormonism, or Christianity).


Tentmaker

What differences are their between the LDS Church, Mormonism, and Christianity?

ClassAction,

The LDS was created to comply with a federal ultimatum, i.e., either do away with true Mormonism or be wiped out by the U.S. Calvary.

True Mormonism is simply that which Bro. Joe Smith claimed was revealled to him. You would need a real Book of Mormon to understand it.

True Christianity is anything but. It is better called Paulinism.


Tentmaker

ClassAction,

A deconstruction of the Book of Mormon-

In the Book of Mormon there are 16 animals and animal products mentioned:

Ass
Bull
Calf
Cattle
Cow
Butter
Elephants
Milk
Flocks
Goat (The Nephites claimed to have found the domestic goat.)
Herds
Horse (The horse plays a major role in the Nephite and Lamanite societies.)
Ox
Sheep (This was a major animal in the Book of Mormon.)
Sow
Swine

There has never been any independent (non-Mormon) archeological evidence that supports the existence of these animals and their products in the area and time frame of The Book of Mormon.


Tentmaker

More deconstruction of the Book of Mormon-

The gold plates are claimed to have been buried in 421 A.D. by Moroni. The King James Bible came out 1,190 years later. Thus the Book of Mormon couldn't be based on plates buried in 421 A.D. since the Book of Mormon contains translation errors that didn't occur until 1,190 years later. Additionally, the language of the King James Bible didn't exist in 421 A.D.

Tentmaker

Good points.

More deconstruction of the Book of Mormon-


The theory that the American Indians are descendants of the Hebrews is genetically incorrect. No one questions this anymore due to the DNA testing available today which wasn't available in the 1800's.

There never was a reformed Egyptian language. And Hebrews didn't write in Egyptian.

Egyptians were pagans during the Old Testament era, so why would the Book of Mormon be based on pagan Egyptian writings?

There were no eye (as in physical eye, not spiritual eye) witnesses to the gold plates, based on later admissions by the witnesses.

The Book of Mormon places Jesus' birth in Jerusalem, not in Bethlehem as in the Bible.

There was no religious revival in 1820. The revival occurred from 1824 to 1825. Thus there was no basis in 1820 for Joseph Smith to be confused about religious revivals which would not occur until several years later.

There have been 3,913 changes made to the Book of Mormon since the original 1830 edition.

Tentmaker

ClassAction,

I'm not even warmed up, yet.


Tentmaker

That is good information, that I think I'm going to discuss with my Bishop. However, I doubt I'll get any "real" answers.

ClassAction,

You will get no answers. I've been at war with the LDS for years. They have yet to refute any of my charges. They know better than to try. Its a genealogy thing.

Tentmaker

More deconstruction of the Book of Mormon-


The Book of Mormon contains some 27,000 words from the King James Bible, approximately 25,000 from the Old Testament and approximately 2,000 from the New Testament. If the King James Bible was published 1,190 years after Moroni buried the gold plates in 621, how did Moroni incorporate the 1611 King James Bible (including two Hebrew to English translation errors) into his gold plates?

Tentmaker

So, question--what religious viewpoint do you come from?

ClassAction,

For a number of years I was a seminarian. I come from a long line of priests and ministers. As such, I disavow religious points of view.


Tentmaker

LDS Does Not Worship Biblical Christ


"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p. 7


Tentmaker

The Golden Plates of the Book of Mormon

The gold plates were reported to be 7" X 8" X 6". (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.)

Gold has a density of 19.3 and weighs 1204.7 lbs per cubic foot.

So we can deduce that the plates carried home by the boy Joe Smith weighed about 230 lbs.

He didn't make several trips.


Tentmaker

LDS Christ Not of the Holy Ghost


"Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. ...If the Son was begotten by the Holy Ghost, it would be very dangerous to baptize and confirm females, and give the Holy Ghost to them, lest he should beget children to be palmed upon the Elders by the people bringing the Elders into great difficulties." Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1:51

Tentmaker

Until a few years ago and before the LDS adopted a more liberal theology, adherents of the Mormon Temple ceremony, Temple patrons swore an oath to:

1. bind themselves to the penalty of having their throats cut from ear to ear

2. bind themselves to the penalty of having their hearts plucked out of their chests

3. bind themselves to the penalty of having their bodies disemboweled.


These three ghastly measures were takened directly from Freemasonry


Tentmaker

ClassAction,

Do you still have a taste for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?


Tentmaker

Starting to get a very bad taste in my mouth, and heart.

ClassAction,

Best it be done today than years from now.

The difficulties presented thus far are but minor. When I begin exposing the inter-workings of the LDS you will definitely need to puke.

I am all ears, trust me.

ClassAction,

This weekend. I don't have time to dig through my files right now. The promise is that they'll be interesting.

I will look forward to this!!

ClassAction,

Something you might consider in the meantime are these theological differences:

Mormon vs Biblical Teachings about God


(M) God is only one of many gods.

(B) There is only one God.

(M) The Trinity Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct Gods.

(B) There is one God with three distinct persons in the godhead.

(M) God was once a man who achieved godhood.

(B) God is unchangeable, has always been, will always be God.

(M) God has flesh and bones.

(B) God is a Spirit, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent.

(M) God has eternal wives.

(B) God stands alone as God and Creator.

(M) Adam was the God of this world.

(B) Adam was only a created man.

Here is the Ars Magna upon which Joseph Smith based his non-Christian teachings:

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circa 1247

Concerning the Aaronic Priesthood-

For whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods of which I have spoken, and the magnifying their calling, are sanctified by the Spirit unto the renewing of their bodies.

They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect, of God.

And also all they who receive this priesthood receive me, saith the Lord;

For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me;

And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father;

And he that receiveth my Father receiveth my Father’s kingdom; therefore all that my Father hath shall be given unto him.

D&C 84:33-38

THE DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

SECTION 107



Revelation on priesthood, given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, dated March 28, 1835. HC 2: 209-217. On the date named the Twelve met in council, confessing their individual weaknesses and shortcomings, expressing repentance, and seeking the further guidance of the Lord. They were about to separate on missions to districts assigned. Although portions of this section were received on the date named, the historical records affirm that various parts were received at sundry times, some as early as November 1831.

1—6, There are two priesthoods: the Melchizedek and the Aaronic; 7—12, Those who hold the Melchizedek Priesthood have power to officiate in all offices in the Church; 13—17, The bishopric presides over the Aaronic Priesthood, which administers in outward ordinances; 18—20, The Melchizedek Priesthood holds the keys of all spiritual blessings; the Aaronic Priesthood holds the keys of the ministering of angels; 21—38, The First Presidency, the Twelve, and the Seventy constitute the presiding quorums, whose decisions are to be made in unity and righteousness; 39—52, Patriarchal order established from Adam to Noah; 53—57, Ancient saints assembled at Adam-ondi-Ahman, and the Lord appeared to them; 58—67, The Twelve are to set the officers of the Church in order; 68—76, Bishops serve as common judges in Israel; 77—84, The First Presidency and the Twelve constitute the highest court in the Church; 85—100, Priesthood presidents govern their respective quorums.

1 THERE are, in the church, two apriesthoods, namely, the Melchizedek and bAaronic, including the Levitical Priesthood.

2 Why the first is called the aMelchizedek• Priesthood is because bMelchizedek• was such a great high priest.

3 Before his day it was called the aHoly Priesthood, after the bOrder• of the Son of God.

4 But out of arespect or breverence to the name of the Supreme Being, to avoid the too frequent repetition of his name, they, the church, in ancient days, called that priesthood after Melchizedek, or the Melchizedek Priesthood.

5 All other authorities or offices in the church are aappendages• to this priesthood.

6 But there are two divisions or grand heads—one is the Melchizedek Priesthood, and the other is the Aaronic or aLevitical• Priesthood.

7 The office of an aelder comes under the priesthood of Melchizedek.

8 The aMelchizedek• Priesthood holds the right of presidency, and has power and bauthority over all the offices in the church in all ages of the world, to administer in spiritual things.

9 The aPresidency• of the High Priesthood, after the order of Melchizedek, have a right to officiate in all the offices in the church.

10 aHigh priests after the order of the Melchizedek Priesthood have a bright• to officiate in their own cstanding•, under the direction of the presidency, in administering spiritual things, and also in the office of an elder, dpriest (of the Levitical order), teacher, deacon, and member.

11 An elder has a right to officiate in his stead when the high priest is not present.

12 The high priest and aelder• are to administer in spiritual things, agreeable to the covenants and commandments of the church; and they have a right to officiate in all these offices of the church when there are no higher authorities present.

13 The second priesthood is called the Priesthood of aAaron•, because it was conferred upon Aaron and his seed, throughout all their generations.

14 Why it is called the lesser priesthood is because it is an aappendage• to the greater, or the Melchizedek Priesthood, and has power in administering outward ordinances.

15 The abishopric• is the presidency of this priesthood, and holds the bkeys or authority of the same.

16 No man has a legal right to this office, to hold the keys of this priesthood, except he be a aliteral• descendant of bAaron•.

17 But as a high priest of the aMelchizedek Priesthood has authority to officiate in all the lesser offices, he may officiate in the office of bbishop when no literal descendant of Aaron can be found, provided he is called and cset apart and ordained unto this power by the hands of the dPresidency• of the Melchizedek Priesthood.

18 The power and authority of the higher, or Melchizedek Priesthood, is to hold the akeys of all the spiritual blessings of the church—

19 To have the privilege of receiving the amysteries• of the kingdom of heaven, to have the bheavens• opened unto them, to commune with the cgeneral• assembly and church of the dFirstborn, and to enjoy the communion and epresence of God the Father, and Jesus the fmediator of the new covenant.

20 The apower• and authority of the lesser, or bAaronic Priesthood, is to hold the ckeys• of the ministering of angels, and to dadminister• in outward eordinances, the letter of the gospel, the baptism of repentance for the fremission of sins, agreeable to the covenants and commandments.

21 Of necessity there are presidents, or presiding aofficers• growing out of, or appointed of or from among those who are ordained to the several offices in these two priesthoods.

22 Of the aMelchizedek Priesthood, three bPresiding• High Priests, chosen by the body, appointed and ordained to that office, and cupheld by the confidence, faith, and prayer of the church, form a quorum of the Presidency of the Church.

23 The atwelve• traveling councilors are called to be the Twelve bApostles•, or special cwitnesses of the name of Christ in all the world—thus differing from other officers in the church in the duties of their calling.

24 And they form a quorum, aequal• in authority and power to the three presidents previously mentioned.

25 The aSeventy• are also called to bpreach the gospel, and to be especial witnesses unto the Gentiles and in all the world—thus differing from other officers in the church in the duties of their calling.

26 And they form a quorum, equal in aauthority• to that of the Twelve special witnesses or Apostles just named.

27 And every decision made by either of these quorums must be by the aunanimous voice of the same; that is, every member in each quorum must be agreed to its decisions, in order to make their decisions of the same power or validity one with the other—

28 A majority may form a quorum when circumstances render it impossible to be otherwise—

29 Unless this is the case, their decisions are not entitled to the same blessings which the decisions of a quorum of three presidents were anciently, who were ordained after the order of Melchizedek, and were arighteous• and holy men.

30 The decisions of these quorums, or either of them, are to be made in all arighteousness•, in holiness, and lowliness of heart, meekness and blong suffering, and in cfaith•, and dvirtue•, and knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness and charity;

31 Because the promise is, if these things abound in them they shall not be aunfruitful• in the knowledge of the Lord.

32 And in case that any decision of these quorums is made in unrighteousness, it may be brought before a general assembly of the several quorums, which constitute the spiritual authorities of the church; otherwise there can be no aappeal• from their decision.

33 The aTwelve• are a bTraveling• Presiding High Council, to officiate in the name of the Lord, under the direction of the Presidency of the Church, agreeable to the institution of heaven; to build up the church, and regulate all the affairs of the same in all nations, first unto the cGentiles• and secondly unto the Jews.

34 The aSeventy• are to act in the name of the Lord, under the direction of the bTwelve• or the traveling high council, in building up the church and regulating all the affairs of the same in all nations, first unto the Gentiles and then to the Jews;

35 The Twelve being asent• out, holding the keys, to open the door by the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and first unto the Gentiles and then unto the Jews.

36 The standing ahigh• councils, at the stakes of Zion, form a quorum equal in authority in the affairs of the church, in all their decisions, to the quorum of the presidency, or to the traveling high council.

37 The ahigh• council in Zion form a quorum equal in authority in the affairs of the church, in all their decisions, to the councils of the Twelve at the stakes of Zion.

38 It is the duty of the traveling high council to call upon the aSeventy•, when they need assistance, to fill the several calls for preaching and administering the gospel, instead of any others.

39 It is the duty of the aTwelve•, in all large branches of the church, to ordain bevangelical• ministers, as they shall be designated unto them by revelation—

40 The order of this priesthood was confirmed to be handed down from father to son, and rightly belongs to the literal descendants of the chosen seed, to whom the promises were made.

41 This aorder• was instituted in the days of bAdam•, and came down by clineage• in the following manner:

42 From Adam to aSeth•, who was bordained• by Adam at the age of sixty-nine years, and was blessed by him three years previous to his (Adam’s) death, and received the promise of God by his father, that his posterity should be the chosen of the Lord, and that they should be cpreserved• unto the end of the earth;

43 Because he (Seth) was a aperfect man, and his blikeness• was the express likeness of his father, insomuch that he seemed to be like unto his father in all things, and could be distinguished from him only by his age.

44 Enos was ordained at the age of one hundred and thirty-four years and four months, by the hand of Adam.

45 God called upon Cainan in the wilderness in the fortieth year of his age; and he met Adam in journeying to the place Shedolamak. He was eighty-seven years old when he received his ordination.


Even so. Amen.

ClassAction,

What do you understand is meant by Adam-ondi-Ahman?

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The Prophet

ClassAction,

What do you understand is meant by Adam-ondi-Ahman?


Answer:

I have no clue

ClassAction,

"53—57, Ancient saints assembled at Adam-ondi-Ahman, and the Lord appeared to them;"

It is a central theological doctrine of the original Mormons, and it is the teaching of the LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). LDS officials don't recommend making it generally known to the faithful because they know it is a poisonous pill for which there is no antidote. I'll get into it later on.

Doctrine of the Promised Land Personified as Land of Adam
~ Adam-ondi-Ahman ~
(America ~ Land of Liberty, Land of Promise,
A Key to the Book of Mormon Geography)
by Don R. Hender



Near the center of the United States is a place we Mormons call Adam-ondi-Ahman. It is located at Spring Hill, Daviess County, Missouri. This is near were Adam, after being expelled from the Garden of Eden, built an altar and offered prayer and sacrifice unto the Lord. Three years before his death, Adam called his righteous posterity before him at this site and blessed them and the Lord appeared unto them.(D&C 107:53-57) This site has been called the 'Valley of God, where Adam dwelt."(JD 18:343) This is the central lands of Father Adam and his people. Now this land that God gave to man and Adam was given on the premise of worshipping God and living righteously, doing as God commanded. It has always been God's intention to not allow man to defile his own spirit beyond the point were man has completely rejected God the father of spirits, and has fully ripened in there state of wickedness. It has ever been so upon the face of this land, this promised land of Father Adam, this promised land of America.

The Fate of the Wicked Children of Adam

The first great annihilation of wickedness upon this Promised Land was that of the wicked children of Adam. In the days of Noah, the descendants of Adam had ripped in their sins to a state of awful wickedness. They had violated the law of the land of righteousness and they needed to be destroyed from off of the face of this land. At that date and time, the Lord brought the destruction upon the people by the universal flood that destroyed all that was living upon the face of the land. And the wickedness was removed as they were drowned upon the land of Adam which in that day was all one land. The ark came to rest, as is believed today, on Mt. Ararat on the eastern Turkey border with Russia as pictured at the left. Perhaps half way around the world, perhaps not as the land had yet to be divided.

The Fate of the Jaredites

After the flood and in the days of Peleg, the Lord effected a division of the land so that the central lands of Adams and the lands of promise might be removed from the rest of the world. Later during the time of the Tower of Babel, God once again brought the people of Jared to the promised lands of Adam, America. The Jaredite history is in the Book of Mormon in the Book of Ether. Listen to the narative of that record as it speaks of the Promised Land as the Jaredites are brought to America from Ether chapter 2:7-11:

After the flood and in the days of Peleg, the Lord effected a division of the land so that the central lands of Adams and the lands of promise might be removed from the rest of the world. Later during the time of the Tower of Babel, God once again brought the people of Jared to the promised lands of Adam, America. The Jaredite history is in the Book of Mormon in the Book of Ether. Listen to the narative of that record as it speaks of the Promised Land as the Jaredites are brought to America from Ether chapter 2:7-11:


7 And the Lord would not suffer that they should stop beyond the sea in the wilderness, but he would that they should come forth even unto the land of promise [this America], which was [and is] choice above all other lands, which the Lord God had preserved for a righteous people [even down to the restoration of His gospel in the last days and in preparation for His Second Coming and the meeting at Adam-ondi-Ahman].

8 And he had sworn in his wrath unto the brother of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever [even like unto the people in the days of Noah], should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.

9 And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land [this America], that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God [as In God We Trust] , or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity.

10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.

11 And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God--that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.

12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written.

"Mormonism is one of the monstrosities of the age in which we live. It seems to have been left for the model Republic of the world, for, the nineteenth century, when the light of knowledge is more generally diffused than ever before, when in art, science and philosophy we have surpassed all that ages of the pant can show, to produce an idle, worthless vagabond of an impostor, who heralds forth a creed repulsive to every refined mind, opposed to every generous impulse of the human heart, and a faith which commands a violation of the rights of hospitality, sanctities falsehood, enforces the systematic degradation of women, not only permits, but orders, the commission of the vilest lusts, in the name of Almighty God himself, and teaches that it is a sacred duty to commit the crimes of theft and murder. It is surprising that such faith, taught too, in the coarsest and most vulgar way, should meet with any success. Yet in less than a century it girdles the globe. Its missionaries are planted in every place. You find them all over Europe, thick through. England and Vales, traversing Asia and Africa, and braving the billows of the southern oceans to seek proselytes. And, as if to crown its achievements, it establishes itself in the heart of one of the greatest and most powerful governments of the world, establishes therein a theocratic government overriding all other government, putting the laws at defiance, and now seeks to consummate and perpetuate itself by acquiring a State

sovereignty, and by being placed on an equality with the other Mates of the Union.

Mormonism is in part a conglomeration of illy cemented creeds from other religions, and in part founded upon the eccentric production of one Spaulding, who, having failed as a preacher and shopkeeper, undertook to write a historic novel. He had a smattering of biblical knowledge, and chose for his subject 'the history of the lost tribes of Israel.' The whole was supposed to be communicated by the Indians, and the last of the series was named Mormon, representing that he had buried the book. It was a dull, tedious, interminable volume,

marked by ignorance and folly. The work was so flat, stupid and insipid, that no publisher could be induced to bring it before the world.
-by Mormon Bishop John D. Lee

Do you agree with the past President and Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, John Taylor when he said that the black race was safely brought through the flood for this reason? "And after the flood we are told that the curse that had been pronounced upon Cain was continued through Ham's wife, as he had married a wife of that seed. And why did it pass through the flood? Because it was necessary that the devil should have a representation upon the earth as well as God;..." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 22 pg. 304).
The Prophet Joseph Smith answered a question in reference to the Negro in this life, quoting:

"I replied, 'they came into the world as slaves, mentally and physically." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg. 269).
"Had I anything to do with the Negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species". (IBID pg. 270)

In the Book of Mormon, II Nephi 5:20-21"Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were cut off from his presence. And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

In II Nephi 30:6 we read,

"And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a pure and a delightsome people."

The "pure and delightsome" was "white and delightsome" in all the Books of Mormon until after their 1980 edition. But they haven't changed their book enough yet. Let's verify their prejudice attitude still today in their Book of Mormon by reading III Nephi 2:14,15 which says,

"And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites;
And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites;"
So we see that it still has to do with skin color.

Alma 3:6-11
In verse 9 we see, "And it came to pass that whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed."
So those who were "White and delightsome" and mixed with the "cursed race" or black race based on Mormonism their children will be "cursed" with the skin of blackness.

II Nephi 5:20-21-24

To bring more insight to what we just saw in Alma, based on these verses, we see that the this skin of blackness that he is going to curse the people with will make them loathsome to his people. So from this, those who are white and delightsome and don't think the black race is loathsome would be in sin themselves. Wouldn't that be a correct assumption based on the way it is worded here?

Prophet Brigham Young asks a queston and it goes like this, "Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with the sin of blackness?" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11 pg. 272).

He answers his question by telling those listening that they rejected the power of the holy priesthood and the law of God on page 272 of the same book above.

"Cain, Ham and the whole Negro race have been cursed with black skin, the mark of Cain, so they can be identified as a "caste apart". A people with whom the other descendants of Adam should not intermarry." (Mormon Doctrine, Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, pg. 114)
Bruce is showing me that God's word in the KJV is not true, that he does look on the outward appearance and not the heart as he says that he does in II Sam. 16:7. If he really did curse them with black skin then he wouldn't have to look on the heart, he could just look on the outward appearance and see who are the "sinners" and who are the "saints".

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have been a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race...that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree. How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, and they can never hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other decendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. " (Journal Of Discourses, Vol. 7, pgs. 290-291)

Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. (Abra. 1:20-27)
(Mormon Doctrine, pg. 527, Bruce R. McConkie )

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regards to the African Race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal Of Discourses ,Vol. 10, pg. 110, Brigham Young).

The Pearl of Great Price", we read, "For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people." (Moses 7:8)