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Echo2
04-26-2005, 04:57 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. count of major world terrorist attacks more than tripled in 2004, a rise that may revive debate on whether the Bush administration is winning the war on terrorism, congressional aides said on Tuesday.

The number of "significant" international terrorist attacks rose to about 650 last year from about 175 in 2003, according to congressional aides briefed on the numbers by State Department and intelligence officials on Monday.

The aides were told the surge partly reflected an increased tally of violence in India and Pakistan related to the Himalayan region of Kashmir, which both countries claim, and the devotion of more manpower to the U.S. monitoring effort, which resulted in more attacks being counted overall.

The State Department last year initially released erroneous figures that understated the attacks and casualties in 2003 and used the figures to argue that the Bush administration was prevailing in the war on terrorism.

It later said the number of people killed and injured in 2003 was more than double its original count and said "significant" terrorist attacks -- those that kill or seriously injure someone, cause more than $10,000 in damage or attempt to do either of those things -- rose to a 20-year high of 175.

The State Department last week unleashed a new debate about the numbers by saying it would no longer release them in its annual terrorism report but that the newly created National Counterterrorism Center that compiles the data would do so.

A spokesman for the CIA, which is handling media inquiries for the NCTC, last week said no decisions had been made although other officials expected the data to be made public.

Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record), a California Democrat, wrote to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Tuesday asking her to release the data, which include only international attacks and exclude violence that is classified as purely domestic.

"The large increases in terrorist attacks reported in 2004 may undermine administration claims of success in the war on terror, but political inconvenience has never been a legitimate basis for withholding facts from the American people," Waxman said in the letter, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters.

BETTER TALLY RESPONSIBLE

Former intelligence official Larry Johnson last week first disclosed the 2004 increase in his Web log, saying the 2004 numbers would rise at least 655 from about 172 in 2003.

Waxman's letter said that of the about 650 significant attacks last year, about 300 reflected violence in India and Pakistan, leaving some 350 attacks elsewhere in the world -- double the total 2003 count.

He suggested this reflected enhanced U.S. efforts to monitor media reports of violence, thereby leading to the identification of "many more attacks in India and Pakistan related to Kashmir." He also said congressional aides were told of about 198 attacks in Iraq in 2004, up from 22 in 2003.

Congressional aides said about 10 full-time employees worked on the 2004 count, up from about three in past years, and that this produced a more complete count.

"What it effectively means is that the Bush administration and the CIA haven't been putting the staff resources necessary and have missed (two thirds) of the world's terrorist incidents," said a Democratic congressional aide. "How can you have an effective counterterrorism policy from that?"

A Republican congressional aide said it would be unfair of Democrats to claim terrorism was getting worse under the Bush administration, stressing that the 2004 and 2003 numbers were not counted in the same way and hence were not comparable.

"That is a conclusion that cannot be drawn because we have no baseline and certainly last year's revised numbers offer no accurate baseline of the universe of terrorist incidents," he said. "Without that you cannot reach an accurate conclusion."

Overdose
04-26-2005, 05:21 PM
Yay! Our war on terrorism is working!! Wait....

500lbguerilla
04-26-2005, 05:28 PM
This is old news.

The new part about it is that the US will no longer be publishing it "terror report" because it found this years findings not to be to their likings. Propaganda was the point, it just turned out being for the side they disagree with.

Travh20
04-26-2005, 07:32 PM
this is assuming they would have went down or stayed teh same if we didnt launch a war on terror. or, the old saying applies, if you want to make an omlet you have to break some eggs

Travh20
04-26-2005, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
This is old news.

The new part about it is that the US will no longer be publishing it "terror report" because it found this years findings not to be to their likings. Propaganda was the point, it just turned out being for the side they disagree with.

if the US was so evil, wouldnt they just publish whatever numbers they want?

Decka
04-26-2005, 10:03 PM
..... but i bet the numbers in iraq have probably gone down..... or they aren't directed at innocent iraqi's anymore.

korg
04-26-2005, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
this is assuming they would have went down or stayed teh same if we didnt launch a war on terror. or, the old saying applies, if you want to make an omlet you have to break some eggs and this will be the logic, because its the only thing people can say. if it gets worst in iraq, its the insurgents who dont want freedom, if it gets better, even 100 years from now, the last living of you guiys will say, in that old ass voice " i knew bush knew what he was doing, where are those last 2 democrats, so i can say i told you so ", because the next generation of people wont be dumb enough to be dictated to by a party.

korg
04-26-2005, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Decka
..... but i bet the numbers in iraq have probably gone down..... or they aren't directed at innocent iraqi's anymore. yeah, its like unemployment going down in america, its just that a large amount of people have run out of benefits, and there's less insurgents to kill.....yeah, its going down alright, we're dying, and so are they !

500lbguerilla
04-27-2005, 12:28 AM
You blindly faithful opitmists for the state truely are touching...Creating reality by bouncing words of each other. Its cute really.

Too bad its completely wrong.

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Rice changed terrorism report

A state department report which showed an increase in terrorism incidents around the world in 2004 was altered to strip it of its pessimistic statistics, it emerged yesterday.

The country-by-country report, Patterns of Global Terrorism, has come out every year since 1986, accompanied by statistical tables.

This year's edition showed a big increase, from 172 significant terrorist attacks in 2003 to 655 in 2004.

Much of the increase took place in Iraq, contradicting recent Pentagon claims that the insurgency there is waning.

It gets better...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1468541,00.html

or they aren't directed at innocent iraqi's anymore. Oh you mean like when the CIA was paying Allawi, the guy we appointed to be PM of Iraq, to set off car bombs in front of theaters in an attempt to destabilize Iraq in the 90's?

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Ex-C.I.A. Aides Say Iraq Leader Helped Agency in 90's Attacks
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Dr. Allawi is not believed to have ever spoken in public about the bombing campaign. But one Iraqi National Accord officer did. In 1996, Amneh al-Khadami, who described himself as the chief bomb maker for the Iraqi National Accord and as being based in Sulaimaniya, in northern Iraq, recorded a videotape in which he talked of the bombing campaign and complained that he was being shortchanged money and supplies. Two former intelligence officers confirmed the existence of the videotape.

Mr. Khadami said that "we blew up a car, and we were supposed to get $2,000" but got only $1,000, according to an account in the British newspaper The Independent in 1997. The newspaper had obtained a copy of the tape.

Mr. Khadami, it added, also said he worried that the C.I.A. might view him as "too much the terrorist."
...more...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0609-02.htm

Funny who they are promoting these days aint it?