What separates the men who get women in their bed every night from those who can hardly ever get laid?

Every guy out there knows of a guy who has been with an ungodly number of women if he just sat down and thought about it. Maybe, if we’re lucky, he’s even keeping track.

I am interested in conducting brief 15 to 30 minute phone interviews with men aged 21-45 who are “good with women”. For these purposes, I consider someone “good with women” to have slept with many more ladies than the average guy. (at least 50).

The whole point is to sit down and talk to hundreds of ordinary, regular guys who get lots of pu... and see just how they do it. And hear the stories straight from their mouths.

THIS IS A SERIOUS VENTURE! If you are interested in sharing your story, and are willing to answer a few questions like the one’s below then please respond back to me for more details. Thanks.

--S.B.


Sample Questions:
1) How many women have you been with? Do you know for sure?
2) What is the most unbelievable thing that's happened to you sexually? (ex. orgy, 3some, making out with 10 girls in one hour, etc.
3) Are you better with women your age (younger, older?) or does it even matter?
4) How old are you?
5) Have you ever told anyone how many women you've slept with?
6) Name one thing that you do different from other guys to make you good with women.
7) Why do you think women are attracted to you? (ex. sense of humor, jerk, pretty boy, musician)
8) Briefly describe your personality.
9) Where do you live?
10) How does money fit in with how you deal with women? (do you spend a lot on women, none at all, etc?)
11) When you go out to find women, are you in a group of guys or alone?
12) Do you have any “rules” that you use to decide whether or not you’ll deal with a woman?
13) Quickly, without thinking about it, tell me the name of the last woman you had sex with?
14) What is the most you’ve had in one day/ one week?
15) How can you tell if a woman is ready for a one night stand?

What do you intend to do with the data? Attempt to lose your virginity perhaps?

Originally posted by DrewM
What do you intend to do with the data? Attempt to lose your virginity perhaps?

LOL! and remember, guys lie alot. it is a status thing to get that many women. and those who do are usually rich and/or famous.
me? 3 total. two i've actually slept with, and one was just sex.

I've slept with 284 women and 30 men! I also have the body of a weightlifter and I invented the computer. Oh, and I own Microsoft, Disney, and GE.

Borg is also the father of Jesus, Buddha and Set and is currently the figurehead of the largest unknown religion in the world. Borgasm!

Once you give yourself to Borg you will finally be able to feel the Borgasm coming inside you and it is like nothing else

Originally posted by bargriff22
I am interested in conducting brief 15 to 30 minute phone interviews with men aged 21-45 who are “good with women”. For these purposes, I consider someone “good with women” to have slept with many more ladies than the average guy. (at least 50).

I should re-word your statement here. "Good with women" is not a very appropriate term for the callous, dangerous and immature type of behavior you are describing. A more appropriate term might be slick with women or user of women.

A man who is "good with women" treats them kindly, with respect and interacts with them maturely. They type of man you are describing is not "good with" women; he is a user of girls. Any mature, intelligent female would have little to do with a male slut.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I've slept with 284 women


and i am still not one of them :D

Lets cut the guy some slack; he's a newbie...

I haven't been with 50 women, and my guess would be that most of us Internet geeks haven't either. I do have a friend (high school buddy) who had a bedroom door that was revolving. I lived with him for two years in college, and I know for a fact that he has been with more than 50 girls. Is that a mark of his manliness...hardly. He is, as Echo put it, a male slut, period. An ex-bushman, so to speak. A better question would be how many girls does it take to make a man a "slut"? I'd say, before 30, 25 girls (IF he attended college). What do you guys think?

Originally posted by Echo2
I should re-word your statement here. "Good with women" is not a very appropriate term for the callous, dangerous and immature type of behavior you are describing. A more appropriate term might be slick with women or user of women.

A man who is "good with women" treats them kindly, with respect and interacts with them maturely. They type of man you are describing is not "good with" women; he is a user of girls. Any mature, intelligent female would have little to do with a male slut.

Your dreaming - you forgot the part about a good man being in shining armour and on a white horse.

Nature is nature. People still interact in mature ways - maturity and nature are not mutually exclusive !

A sleaze bag slut is a sleaze bag slut - no matter what their sex is.

Multiple, indiscriminate partners is a sign of a very poor self image. And when the person keeps track of their multiple indiscriminate partners they are even more pitifull.

Who'd want a dick that has been in every woman within 50 miles?

And then there are the jerks that are not "good with women" (as you put it) but who get lots of action because they have figured out that fat girls are easy.

LOL - Men are easy, any woman will tell you that.

Originally posted by Echo2
And when the person keeps track of their multiple indiscriminate partners they are even more pitifull.
Like you don't know how many people you've slept with. Most people have had indiscriminate partners, Echo - and I'm guessing you have too. Probably lots. :)

Having served a year in the U.S. Army in Korea in the early 1970's, I can definitely say that I had sex with more than 50 women. I was not particulairly "good with women", but the "business women" who inhabited the clubs outside the gates were always available. For me, it was experimentation. For them, it was a job. Since then, I have slept with two women. Before that, I slept with two women. Your terms don't specify whether prostitutes count.

Did you ever catch a disease?

Originally posted by Imagineer
Having served a year in the U.S. Army in Korea in the early 1970's, I can definitely say that I had sex with more than 50 women. I was not particulairly "good with women", but the "business women" who inhabited the clubs outside the gates were always available. For me, it was experimentation. For them, it was a job. Since then, I have slept with two women. Before that, I slept with two women. Your terms don't specify whether prostitutes count.

Great post!

He probably isn't interested in hookers - sounds like his "research" is focused on how to get free sex.

A sleaze bag slut is a sleaze bag slut - no matter what their sex is.

Multiple, indiscriminate partners is a sign of a very poor self image. And when the person keeps track of their multiple indiscriminate partners they are even more pitifull.

Who'd want a dick that has been in every woman within 50 miles?

And then there are the jerks that are not "good with women" (as you put it) but who get lots of action because they have figured out that fat girls are easy.

LOL - Men are easy, any woman will tell you that.

Jeez Echo you sound bitter (I sense some bad experiences boiling up - those bad men who fool women into...) either bitter or clueless one of the two. You may not like nature - but you have to accept it. We're just socialized annimals.

A hard dick's got no conscience, a wet pussy no mind.

What the hell does it matter how many women you've been with?Two score and a year or so ago when I got started, I didn't realize it was a numbers game. One would do better tracking the number of orgasms they've helped another to achieve, at least that would be more of an indication of success, rather than the "raw" data of quantity vs quality.

Echo, I'm shocked at your frankness! "Who'd want a dick that has been in every woman within 50 miles?" And I'm laughing my ass off too cause you said that anyone who keeps track is pitiful. I have kept track, only to make sure I can actually remember. I recite the names in song-like fashion. LOL

Prae, I'm thinking the number to make anyone a slut has to be 35+ even if in college or not. Does that sound reasonable? And, does that make YOU a slut?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Did you ever catch a disease?

Yes I did. It was not particulairly smart, especially considering that my job at the time was conducting VD contact interviews. I knew the risks, and ignored them.

Originally posted by saycricket
Prae, I'm thinking the number to make anyone a slut has to be 35+ even if in college or not. Does that sound reasonable? And, does that make YOU a slut?
You and I are in the same boat, Cricket...:)

Everyone (roughly) keeps track of the number of women/men they've slept with, and that certainly isn't enough to qualify them as pitiful. I'm 28 (just turned Jan 1st), and I had fun in college...lots of fun. In high school, I had sex with ONE girl, and when I graduated, I lost 40 lbs, bulked up, found parties, and started to live pretty precariously. That summer, I slept with 3 girls, followed by my freshman year at Illinois State, another 5, and pretty much with every concurrent year, the same number. I've probably been with about 25-30 women in total, and by your standard, I better cool my jets (unfortunately, nature has already done that for me, damn it! :(). I'm an old man now, and I find myself still staring at scantily clad 21 year-olds only to have them walk by and not pay me any attention. Oh well, we all get old.

28 isnt old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If i start talking about how I'm old when I'm still in my twenties, somebody smack me. hard.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
28 isnt old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is if you want to date nubile young women...

Something happens to a girl's body after they turn 23. The boobs start to sag, hips get larger, the ass gets bigger, and the worst part is, they start asking about marriage.

It reminds me of the priceless line Matthew McConaughey had in Dazed and Confused: "That's what I love about high school girls - the older I get, they stay the same age."

Originally posted by WhammyBar
28 isnt old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If i start talking about how I'm old when I'm still in my twenties, somebody smack me. hard.

hell when i was 36 i had 1 teenage girls flash me where i used to work. and another 16 year old out and out asked me if i wanted to fuck. damn, i thought, and 16 will get you 20. wished i was 18 then. until recently when most of the grey hair came out a lot of ladies would turn to give me another look. but not anymore. the grey turns them off. but, oh well.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
It is if you want to date nubile young women...

Something happens to a girl's body after they turn 23. The boobs start to sag, hips get larger, the ass gets bigger, and the worst part is, they start asking about marriage.

It reminds me of the priceless line Matthew McConaughey had in Dazed and Confused: "That's what I love about high school girls - the older I get, they stay the same age."

nothing wrong with a WOMAN. i don't mind them a bit as long as they ain't "fat". but my idea of fat isn't everyones.

Originally posted by ivan
another 16 year old out and out asked me if i wanted to fuck.
And you turned that down? WTF is the matter with you? Was she fat? Legality-schmagality, so don't give me any of that shit...

You do have a penis, right?

Originally posted by ivan
but my idea of fat isn't everyones.
Okay - prime figures:

5'4'' - 100lbs 34 B+ thru C+
5'5'' - 105lbs (same as above)
5'6'' - 110lbs 34 C thru D
5'7'' - 115lbs 34 C thru D
5'8'' - 120lbs 36 D and above

Originally posted by The Praetorian
And you turned that down? WTF is the matter with you? Was she fat? Legality-schmagality, so don't give me any of that shit...

You do have a penis, right?


no, she was a little hottie. i may be crazy, but i ain't stupid.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Okay - prime figures:

5'4'' - 100lbs 34 B+ thru C+
5'5'' - 105lbs (same as above)
5'6'' - 110lbs 34 C thru D
5'7'' - 115lbs 34 C thru D
5'8'' - 120lbs 36 D and above

what you just described is not in the frame of reality. a lady who is 5'4" and 100 pounds is rarely 34 bthru c. you ust like them stick thin and big tits. not reality. and rarely exists. my wife when we met was 5'7" and 140 pounds and was in no way by anyone seen as fat. she wasn't even curvy like she is now.

Reality is giving them a 10lb grace, but no woman whose 5'4'' should weigh over 110lbs. Most of the women I've dated fit into one of those categories, with some exceptions. Bar room tubbies are the best, you know – the grateful type.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Reality is giving them a 10lb grace, but no woman whose 5'4'' should weigh over 110lbs. Most of the women I've dated fit into one of those categories, with some exceptions. Bar room tubbies are the best, you know – the grateful type.

i'm sorry for ya prea. you are the poster child of what the media, tv, and advertising, has programmed into us. we grow up thinking "this is the sign of perfection" have it re-enforced by what we are assaulted with day in and day out and our friends think the same way.
my wife at 5'7" being 140 pounds was in no way fat. at all. you couldn't pinch an inch on her anywhere.
prea, you are looking at women as just objects. sex, or an image that must "be". not as individuals to be seen as someone with feelings.
not everyone is into "fatties", but some people are. not everyone is into skinny minnies, but a few are. over time, people change, no matter what you do. exercise, surgery, clothes, etc.. but what makes a relationship really survive is being friends. if i and my wife weren't friends, our relationships would not have survived all the crazy bullshit we've both been through, and the crazy stuff i've done, etc.. i'm glad of this.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Reality is giving them a 10lb grace, but no woman whose 5'4'' should weigh over 110lbs. Most of the women I've dated fit into one of those categories, with some exceptions. Bar room tubbies are the best, you know – the grateful type.
You have a highly unrealistic expectation here, Prae. No wonder you're so dissatisfied with your sex life.

Very very few women will fall into that little chart you gave. Personally, my chart ranges from a bit skinny (ribs showing = eeewww) to the lower echelons of medically overweight. And that's my "ideal" chart. And furthermore, I can find any size breast sexy: 32A to 38D and such, as long as they're real.

Really, Ivan is right. Women are people, not sex objects. I find it rather amazing that I have a more mature view of sex than you, and not only am I 16, I'm also a virgin. :)

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Okay - prime figures:

5'4'' - 100lbs 34 B+ thru C+
5'5'' - 105lbs (same as above)
5'6'' - 110lbs 34 C thru D
5'7'' - 115lbs 34 C thru D
5'8'' - 120lbs 36 D and above

Holy crapazoid...

That chart is unhealthy and damn near anorexic. Any women who is 5'4" and has a 34 B+ chest is also likely pumped full of silicone. Breasts are composed of fatty tissue. Therefore very few women with no fat on their body would be that well endowed.

Also she is not going to be physically fit. As soon as someone starts doing any type of resistance training or heavy duty work-outs they lose fat and if they are thin they will gain weight. You have to gain weight because you develop muscle and muscle weights more than fat. You may go down a size but you will still get heavier.

Also my boobs still don't sag and my butt isn't droopy either and I am 48 . But then I am not top heavy or anorexic. :D

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Really, Ivan is right. Women are people, not sex objects. I find it rather amazing that I have a more mature view of sex than you, and not only am I 16, I'm also a virgin. :)
Lmao. Your last line is like a good rip-off of the hair club for men commercial, Sy Sperling style. On the other hand, I suppose you're right. I don't look at women like "sex objects", but lets be realistic, it's women you have sex with, not their conversation. I, too, have been attracted to women who I'd consider "fat" in the general sense, and a powerful mind is something I find incredibly sexy. Unfortunately, the ugly ones are usually the bright ones - not the other way around.

People can't really help who they are attracted to. To leave a significant number of potential companions off your scope simply due to weight is ill considered. With the majority of Americans now viewed as overweight you're significantly reducing your opportunities for meeting a suitable companion.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Your last line is like a good rip-off of the hair club for men commercial, Sy Sperling style.
:D

Originally posted by es347fan
People can't really help who they are attracted to. To leave a significant number of potential companions off your scope simply due to weight is ill considered. With the majority of Americans now viewed as overweight you're significantly reducing your opportunities for meeting a suitable companion.

Errr... if you're not attracted to overweight people, they're off the scope already. So far as my 'scope' goes, I wouldn't date an overweight person, and I would never let myself get even the slightest bit chubby, let alone overweight. Wouldn't you agree it's better (and more natural too) to be attracted to people with a healthy lifestyle, who are more likely to have kids who will do the same.

PS: Since I despise children, the last part has no basis whatsoever. Box in a bar: Move it along, tubby, and make way for the hottie! :D So shallow... so going to hell...

Ok, ok.. get your pen out and jot this down. I'm agreeing with Ivan on this whole subject...and not because I weigh over 100lbs either. His point about being best friends with your spouse is right on.

I was married to Satan for 2 years. I got married at 22 and divorced at 24. Worst 2 years of my life. Then John (my hubby) comes along, and 5 months later we're married. You just know when it's right. We've been together for 10 years and think of each other as our best friend. When family and friends tell me that they compare their relationships to me and John as a high standard, that's flattery at it's finest.

Sooo, Prae...you're 28 and feel the nubile girls slipping away from your grasp... Just wait until you hit 30 or 35. Life seems to change drastically and you place value on things that previously didn't mean squat. Those girls that partied all night long at the club, are just that. You'll be more interested in the "settle down" and "friendship" type. You'll just know.

PS. I'm afraid to post my number here... you guys may think I'm slutty!! Prae, I'm behind you though. :D

Would it be superficial to ask for pictures?

Loki - look at the picture post here on Chat Central, you superficial twit. :D

Anybody that was hanging out in the 60's has slept with that many without even trying.

Next question?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Okay - prime figures:

5'4'' - 100lbs 34 B+ thru C+
5'5'' - 105lbs (same as above)
5'6'' - 110lbs 34 C thru D
5'7'' - 115lbs 34 C thru D
5'8'' - 120lbs 36 D and above

Those are barbie dolls, not women.
My wife is petite, 5'2" and 110lbs and she is thin; she wears a 0 size so I don't know where she would buy clothes if she would be less than 100lbs:rolleyes: I would actually like more curves but she always tells me to wait until we have children,then I will be happier :D
Anyhow I think you have a very weird image of women.
I have been with 25-30 women too (crazy college days) but I don't have a type. Each of them were different and attractive in a different way. I was lucky enough to find the one who is my best friend and whom I feel sexually attracted to. I married her.

Originally posted by Teddy
I was lucky enough to find the one who is my best friend and whom I feel sexually attracted to. I married her.
That's awesome, Teddy, and I'm really happy for you. Do I think it's possible to find such a person - absolutely, especially if she can put up with my temper, my obsessive-compulsive nature, and my smart-ass ways. I have been in love before, and the girl really hurt me. Jesus, come to think of it, that was 4 YEARS AGO. Yikes. I guess I'm scared, my walls are up, and because of it, I'm shallow.

I wish I could find a woman that I'd find pleasure in making feel special, but alas, nothing so far.

Originally posted by Saycricket
Sooo, Prae...you're 28 and feel the nubile girls slipping away from your grasp... Just wait until you hit 30 or 35. Life seems to change drastically and you place value on things that previously didn't mean squat. Those girls that partied all night long at the club, are just that. You'll be more interested in the "settle down" and "friendship" type. You'll just know.
Very true, Cricket. And, as always, thanks for the kind words.

prae, your attitude towards women is the reason you can't find one. if a guy approached me with an attitude like yours i would think of him as an asshole., as far as i know, you aren;t, but if you treat women lik crap, you're never going to find one thats willing to put up with you, and not screwed up in some sort of way. only women with really low self esteem put up with guys who treat them badly. if you start looking for women the way you look for a freind- by personality and common interests, not looks alone-then you'll find someone. if u look at a woman who weighs more than 100 pounds and might not have barbie doll boobs, then you'll find someone nice and pretty. and i promise, us smart women aren't all ugly.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
us smart women aren't all ugly.
We Grammar Nazis tend to revise our estimate of a person's intelligence downward when that person makes grammar errors. :) (You're not at all stupid, Whammy -- but you could type better.)

My experience has taught me that the beautiful people in the world have not developed their personalities and interpersonal relationship skills as much as non beautiful people. The simplistic answer to why that is would be that beauty opens doors for people.

I have experienced this with my own self and growing older. I used to be drop dead gorgeous with a Barbie doll figure. Somewhere in my late 40's the figure thickened out, I started getting little wrinkles and (how should I put this) I am no longer "perky". I don't get the customer service I used to or any other benefits that come from being beautiful. Now I am no longer beautiful and I am learning to develop my diplomatic skills and interpersonal skills to open doors that used to be open to me before.

It sucks, but then I think about all the people who were born with average looks and I envy them for having developed these skills and practiced them so that by my age they don't have to try and start from scratch (so to speak).

Your search for a lifelong companion should not be about how she looks, but about how she deals with stress, how she responds to you, her personality, intellegence and ability to interact and work as a team. No one is beautifull forever, and she will get wrinkles, get heavier, become non-perky and turn gray. Her personailty won't change that much but her looks will.

Heres a hint from an old song.

"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
never make a pretty woman your wife,
so from my personal point of view,
get an ugly girl to marry you."

Originally posted by Echo2
My experience has taught me that the beautiful people in the world have not developed their personalities and interpersonal relationship skills as much as non beautiful people. The simplistic answer to why that is would be that beauty opens doors for people.

I have experienced this with my own self and growing older. I used to be drop dead gorgeous with a Barbie doll figure. Somewhere in my late 40's the figure thickened out, I started getting little wrinkles and (how should I put this) I am no longer "perky". I don't get the customer service I used to or any other benefits that come from being beautiful. Now I am no longer beautiful and I am learning to develop my diplomatic skills and interpersonal skills to open doors that used to be open to me before.

It sucks, but then I think about all the people who were born with average looks and I envy them for having developed these skills and practiced them so that by my age they don't have to try and start from scratch (so to speak).

Your search for a lifelong companion should not be about how she looks, but about how she deals with stress, how she responds to you, her personality, intellegence and ability to interact and work as a team. No one is beautifull forever, and she will get wrinkles, get heavier, become non-perky and turn gray. Her personailty won't change that much but her looks will.

Heres a hint from an old song.

"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
never make a pretty woman your wife,
so from my personal point of view,
get an ugly girl to marry you."

Sounds like the plot of the star trek episode 'The Deadly Years'

"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
never make a pretty woman your wife,
so from my personal point of view,
get an ugly girl to marry you."

Echo, I was thinking of that very tune when I encountered this thread.

Originally posted by Echo2
Heres a hint from an old song.

"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
never make a pretty woman your wife,
so from my personal point of view,
get an ugly girl to marry you."

yeah, but what exactly IS ugly? the medias view? your own? dad's? your friends? sigh, questions, questions..........

Originally posted by ivan
yeah, but what exactly IS ugly? the medias view? your own? dad's? your friends? sigh, questions, questions..........

An excellent point. My partner tells me all the time that I am beautiful. Physically I am not beautiful...attractive maybe, but not close to what I would view as beautiful. I have come to realize over the years that he does in fact view me that way. Sometimes when we are out I will point out a woman that I think is beautiful, sometimes he will agree. Other times he will say her boobs are too big or her hips are too wide or her leg shape doesn't do it for him.

I think we have all met people whom we first viewed as plain. As we got to know them better we find things about their features that are indeed beautiful. Really I think what happens is we learn the beauty of the inner being.

Beauty is subjective. I like that song that says "she ain't pretty, she just looks that way'.

How can boobs be too big?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
How can boobs be too big?

LMAO...well apparently some men think of humungo titties as revolting. :D

Actually a few of my male friends have made this comment.

I think it is sort of equivalent to the big d*ck myth. It isn't the size, it is how it is used. And it isn't how the man looks either. It's how he looks at me... :)

Each to his own, as they say. More than a mouthful's a waste.

Originally posted by ~Sal~
More than a mouthful's a waste.
Maybe to a baby. :) All joking aside, I don't like HUGE titties, but a fair c+ to a d is divine, especially if the areola isn't the size of a quarter dollar pancake.

Beauty must indeed be subjective - why else would bruised up fat old women get jobs in strip clubs.

Originally posted by DrewM
Beauty must indeed be subjective - why else would bruised up fat old women get jobs in strip clubs.
Speaking from experience?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Speaking from experience?

Yeah - i've been to plenty of strip clubs.

Originally posted by ~Sal~
I think it is sort of equivalent to the big d*ck myth. It isn't the size, it is how it is used.


You mean the type that look like a baby's arm holding an apple?

Originally posted by DrewM
You mean the type that look like a baby's arm holding an apple?

Ba...hahaha...yeah like that...it looks like a deformity... because it is...:D

Woman's voice: "Who in the hell do you expect to satisfy with that little thing?!?"

Man's voice: "Me!"

om my god, where the hell to start........

but there's oh so much to chooose from..................

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Something happens to a girl's body after they turn 23. The boobs start to sag, hips get larger, the ass gets bigger, and the worst part is, they start asking about marriage.

Wow, where do you live?

As a woman I am only starting to peak as i reach 30 this year. I have never been as tight and toned at 29 with TWINS than I have ever been in my life, I feel fabulous and I am loving who I have become. My mom, at 55 is the most gorgeous woman I know, and still turns the head of guys MY age.
I think maybe you should broaden your scope whn drooling after young tighties, and maybe you'd see how many vibrant woman there are your own age and older.

Perhaps a woman of this experience frightens you because they may see you for WHO you are........there must be a reason you don't want this.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Okay - prime figures:

5'4'' - 100lbs 34 B+ thru C+
5'5'' - 105lbs (same as above)
5'6'' - 110lbs 34 C thru D
5'7'' - 115lbs 34 C thru D
5'8'' - 120lbs 36 D and above

Huh? I bet you'd make a terrible weight guesser at the fair.

You do realize that the girls you've met who told you their weight were lying don't you? I am 5'7, and haven't weighed 115 since the eighth grade, and you would NEVER know it, everyone guesses me at 120, what a hoot........i'm more than that......

dude if you are so focused on numbers and stats, it'll be just you and your rag-eared stroke mags till death do you part I'm afraid.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I, too, have been attracted to women who I'd consider "fat" in the general sense, and a powerful mind is something I find incredibly sexy. Unfortunately, the ugly ones are usually the bright ones - not the other way around.

what's in the water where you live? Fat but smart, pretty but dumb, saggy wide and wrinkly after 23? Maybe the gorgeous gifted women are way out of your league?

Originally posted by creetwins
Maybe the gorgeous gifted women are way out of your league?
They're certainly out of mine! :(

Tell them how you really feel, creetwins!

Here's a story that was told to me a long time ago that you might want to remember. The name of it is called "Casanova and the Devil :(


Once there was a man named Casanova. Casanova was a great womanizer that many times over claimed to have had sex with over 10,000 women. The day finally came when Casanova died. When he tried to enter heaven, Jesus stopped him at the gates and told him “I’m very sorry to tell you that I cannot allow you entrance. There is no place for you here, you’ve had your heaven already, you’re heaven was in the bedroom. With this Casanova was cast from the gates of heaven and was forced to enter the pits of hell. When he finally stopped his descent, he found himself face down in soot at the Devils feet. When he looked up at him, the Devil stood over him staring down at him while all of his demons stood by. As they all began to surround him, Casanova, terrified, screamed out in horror and begged the Devil to spare him.

The Devil then said:

“Get Up. So you want to be spared do you? Well, I’m willing to make a deal with you. Make a deal with the Devil! I’m going to play your whole life back to you. With this, I’m going to show you every woman you’ve ever had sex with, all 10,000 of them. If you can remember just one of their names, I’ll let you become my right hand man. I’ll give you authority over every soul down here. But if you fail to name any one of the women you’ve been with, I’m going to do 10,000 worse to you than anything you could ever imagine. All I need is just one name.


Casanova’s heart jumped! He thought to himself, Man, this is just too good to be true. Of all the women I’ve had all I’ve got to do is just give one name, just one and I’ll be home free. “Sure”, he told the Devil. You’ve got a deal. The Devil then gave him a very dark and evil grin and said. “Casanova, gaze upon this wall. He pointed to a wall that suddenly became engulfed with flames that shot up from the ground. The wall soon became white hot, as white as a movie screen. The Devil then said, “Look Casanova, THIS IS YOUR LIFE”!

The First scene showed him when he was five years old. He was peeping through a keyhole watching his older brother having sex with his girlfriend. Casanova then went outside and found a girl is same age and took her in the bushes. He then told her that he would give her some candy if she dropped her pants. From there he proceeded to do the same things to her that he saw his brother do to his girlfriend. The Devil asked him, “Do you remember her name?” Casanova laughed and said “Surely you can’t expect me to remember her name, I was only five years old. The Devil said “Nope, a deal is a deal, DO YOU REMEMBER HER NAME?. Casanova said “No”. The Devil said, “That’s one”

The next scene showed him at age 10. He was at his brothers wedding. While everyone was singing, dancing, and enjoying all of the festivities, Casanova noticed an extremely heavy chested woman who was very drunk. The woman got so drunk that she completely passed out. While no one was looking, Casanova dragged her into the coatroom, locked the door behind her, and then raped her while she was unconscious. The Devil asked him “Do you remember her name? Casanova said. Wait, no one saw me do that! The Devil said” It doesn’t matter, I SAW YOU DO IT, CAN YOU REMEMBER HER NAME?” Casanova said “No”. The devil said, “That’s two”

The Devil went on and on showing him woman, after woman, after woman, after woman. Some were prostitutes; some were wives and girlfriends of friends that he had. Many more were from distant lands and were from almost every type of background anyone could imagine. Casanova could remember ALL of them by their physical characteristics. Their breast size, Their hairstyle, Their clothes, The firmness of both their asses and legs, everything. He could even remember them by the type of perfume they wore

But he could not remember a single one of their names….

By now the Devil had shown him a total of 9,999 women. Casanova remembered everything about them, but couldn't remember a single one of their names. The Devil then told him “There is just one woman left Casanova, one last woman, one last chance . Now I believe in saving the best for last. This woman was very special, and was far unlike any of the others. This woman was a virgin when you met her. This woman truly, truly loved you so. The Devil then showed him how he took away her virginity, then proceeded to use her vulnerability to rob her family blind, then ran throughout all the land bragging about what he had done. This woman was now left with child “his child and one of many that he deserted at birth”. Her family were great nobles with strong values and very high standards. When they discovered their daughter was pregnant by the very man that robbed them, they told her that they were not going to allow her to disgrace their families name and image by bringing a bastard child into the world by a thief. They then told her to GET OUT and don’t come back until you find the father of your child.

This poor girl who had never alone before, was now completely alone in the world. Desperately she searched through every hill; every valley, every street, and every alley in a search for them man who would be the father of her first and only child. There was not a place she could turn her head where she was not met with mockery and gossip from the stories, for he (Casanova) had beaten her to every place she had been, bragging to everyone along the way about what he had done. Finally the burden had become too great for her to bear. With no skills to find a job to hold her own, and no one to offer assistance to her, she eventually went insane. She went down to the river, drowned the newborn child that she could not provide for, and then killed herself by slitting her wrist.

Now suicide is the one sin that God will never forgive. So because of this, she, (like Casanova), was rejected from heaven and cast into hell.

The Devil then yelled to Casanova, Turn you attention to this pile of stones. From this pile of stones a pillar of fire spiraled up from them. Inside this pillar was an image (or soul) this girl nude body. The Devil then angrily yelled at Casanova:


The love she felft for you was true, now I have her soul because of you!

Look at her body and study it well, Look at her breasts, her ass, her legs, look at anything and everything that you feel will help you identify her. Here she is Casanova:
ONE LAST WOMAN, ONE LAST CHANCE, FOR THE FATE OF YOUR ETERNAL SOUL, WHAT WAS HER NAME”?


As he asked him this, the Devil leaned toward him with a very eerie grin while all of his demons formed a very tight circle around Casanova. The Devil then yelled out:

This is it,
You’ve run out of time,
Either give me a name,
Or you soul is mine

As Casanova’s time ended "without a name to be called", so did any chance he had of being spared. Th Devil knew that he wouldn’t be able to pull this off even before Casanova had even died. So while he was still on earth the Devil had prepared a special pit in a remote part of hell, with a special flame that burned just for him. The flame in this pit was 10,000 times hotter than all the other fires in all of hell, and in this pit were 10,000 Demons (one Demon for every woman he had dogged throughout his life) This pit...became Casanova's new eternal home :(

Originally posted by creetwins
Perhaps a woman of this experience frightens you because they may see you for WHO you are........there must be a reason you don't want this.
Thanks Freud. ;)
Originally posted by creetwins
Maybe the gorgeous gifted women are way out of your league?
Either that, or maybe you're bitter. Come to think of it, with a mouth like that, I'm surprised you don't chase your hubby away.
Originally posted by creetwins
dude if you are so focused on numbers and stats, it'll be just you and your rag-eared stroke mags till death do you part I'm afraid.
Wow - more rank cynicism – there’s a shocker. I didn't say I couldn't get laid - I said I'm getting older, and quite frankly, the task of finding an older woman is a daunting one. Put a spin on it if you so desire, but the fact remains: younger girls (18-23) look better than older ones (28-35). I'm sure your husband sings a different tune, especially when asked by a chick who undoubtedly sports a nicely packaged, condescending, German accent.

Thanks Freud.

anytime.......



Either that, or maybe you're bitter.

Huh? Bitter over what? The fact that I have grown up, and no longer allow anyone to walk on me?

Come to think of it, with a mouth like that, I'm surprised you don't chase your hubby away.

A mouth like what? And for your info, I walked away from my partner a long time ago, and no matter how much he begs and pleads to change, I ain't letting him back......if I was 23 I'd probably let the bugger, and feed him and wash his dirty gitch, and take whatever crap he'd sling my way too.......






I said I'm getting older, and quite frankly, the task of finding an older woman is a daunting one. Put a spin on it if you so desire, but the fact remains: younger girls (18-23) look better than older ones (28-35).


Poppycock.....you just get an easy lay without putting any effort into it........remember, you get what you give. Give a half-assed effort, your result will be less than satisfactory. Dig a little deeper, look a little harder, you will know what I am talking about.

Fair enough, but I have a question: what's a "dirty gitch"?

I would suggest that the reason you can't get laid by mature women is because they ARE mature and can spot a shallow man a mile away.

The younger ones are easier to "get" because they are more gullible than the mature ones.

One wonders about men that can't or wont interact romantically with women their own age.

We've all seen balding middle aged men with the arm candy. And we've all laughed at them for being insecure.

Like Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones. It's so laughable. He's older than her father and I will bet money that when he gets feable that hot little mama will dump him like a bad meal.

Originally posted by Echo2
I would suggest that the reason you can't get laid by mature women is because they ARE mature and can spot a shallow man a mile away.
I didn't say I couldn't get laid by them - I said I didn't want to. I've had sex with plenty of older women, and after the novelty of having sex with a chick who has been screwed by a ton of dudes wears off, you're left with an old broad. Not appealing.
Originally posted by Echo2
The younger ones are easier to "get" because they are more gullible than the mature ones.
Au contraire, mon fraire - they're much harder to get, and that was my point. Aren't you the one who paints Trav a sufferer of comprehension problems? Well pot, meet kettle.
Originally posted by Echo2
We've all seen balding middle aged men with the arm candy. And we've all laughed at them for being insecure.
And what do they care; they're getting a hot piece of ass, and you're getting wrinkled.
Originally posted by Echo2
Like Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones. It's so laughable. He's older than her father and I will bet money that when he gets feable that hot little mama will dump him like a bad meal.
"Dump him like a bad meal", Echo? Colorful simile, not to mention rather gross...

If she dumps him, wtf does he care - he's been banging her for quite some time. In the immortal words of Andrew Silverstein, "Go ahead...I'm done".

In the immortal words of Andrew Silverstein, "Go ahead...I'm done". Prae, that's just gross!! Ewwww! Don't worry about the relationship thing. The more you look for it, the less you'll find it. Screw it for now. It will probably, quite literally, fall into your lap. (You're hoping, huh?!)

Originally posted by saycricket
Prae, that's just gross!! Ewwww! Don't worry about the relationship thing. The more you look for it, the less you'll find it. Screw it for now. It will probably, quite literally, fall into your lap. (You're hoping, huh?!)

I'll bet he's hoping it falls into his lap face down.

LOL - you KNOW it Echo!

Originally posted by Echo2
I'll bet he's hoping it falls into his lap face down. :D