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Echo2
04-05-2005, 11:17 AM
J Dread
4/4/05

You may have noticed that in the furor over the circumstances surrounding the death of Terri Schiavo, the radical right-wingers have gone a bit, um, over the top. Highlights of several stories - a man arrested for trying to steal a gun from a firearms store so he could "save Terri," a radio host who suggested that Jeb Bush should take her into custody and advocated the "killing of anyone who interferes with such rescue," a man arrested for offering a $250,000 reward for killing Terri's husband Michael, plus a $50,000 bonus for killing Judge Greer. The threats continued last week, extending as far as Michael Schiavo's family in Pennsylvania.

All of which makes Tom "The Snake" DeLay's (or is it DeLies) remarks last week particularly disturbing, if not downright dangerous. After learning of Terri Schiavo's passing, DeLay appeared in public and said, "This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change. The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today." Compare this to a quote from one of the nuts who called to threaten the Schiavos: "Your time will come. The time will come, for all of us, for all of us. Time will come. I wonder which way you will get to go when time does come." Creepily similar aren't they?

And I guess I'm not the only one who thought the House Majority Leader's comments sounded like a threat. Sen. Frank Lautenberg sent an official letter to DeLay last week which read in part, "You should be aware that your comments yesterday may violate a Federal criminal statute, 18 U.S.C. §115 (a)(1)(B) ... Threats against specific Federal judges are not only a serious crime, but also beneath a Member of Congress." When will Republicans wake up and realize what kind of people are leading their party?

Power-hungry Maniacs
Mind you, DeLay's outrageous comments are just the tip of the iceberg. It's becoming clear that for the right-wing radicals, the point of this whole exercise is to grab control of the only branch of government they don't have total power over yet - the judicial branch. DeLay also referred last week to "an arrogant, out of control, unaccountable judiciary that thumbed their nose at the Congress and the president." I mean, wow. How dare the judiciary not rubber-stamp all of Bush and DeLay's unconstitutional actions.

Radical groups were lining up last week to jump on the judge-bashing bandwagon - like the Council for Constitutional Restoration (whatever that means) who issued a press release saying "Our purpose is to draw up a plan of action to oppose the liberal judges who have abrogated our most precious human rights - including Terri Schiavo's right to life." Aha! Now we come to the crux of the matter. It's the liberal judges who are ruining America. You know, it often amazes me how much damage the liberals have done since Republicans gained control of the House, Senate, and White House.

So let's take a quick look at some of the liberal judges who've participated in the "murder" of Terri Schiavo. There was obviously the aforementioned Judge Greer - a conservative Christian and Republican. But there were plenty of other judges whose liberal credentials leave a little to be desired. Salon.com's breakdown of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals - who upheld the decision to not force-feed Terri Schiavo - reveals that "Of the appeals court's 12 active judges, only two dissented ... The remainder ... included six Republicans: Reagan appointee and Chief Judge J.L. Edmondson; George H.W. Bush appointees Carnes, Stanley Birch, Joel Dubina, Susan Black; and, most ironically, William Pryor Jr., who was given a recess appointment by George W. Bush two years ago in the midst of controversy and filibuster by Democratic senators." For those of you who are intersted, one of the two dissenting judges who thought that Schiavo's feeding tube should be reinserted was appointed by Bill Clinton. Oh yes, and let's not forget that the U.S. Supreme Court - who turned down the case five times - is comprised of a majority of Republicans.

In fact, Judge Birch - who, it should be noted, is an extremely conservative Republican - wrote that, "In resolving the Schiavo controversy, it is my judgment that, despite sincere and altruistic motivation, the legislative and executive branches of our government have acted in a manner demonstrably at odds with our Founding Fathers' blueprint for the governance of a free people - our Constitution."

Let's face it - there's no such thing as a "liberal judiciary." This is just a ploy by the radical right-wing to gain control of the judicial branch and fill it with their own radical right-wing judges. Sure, Republicans say they hate judicial activism - but then they used to hate interference by the federal government until they got control of it. Just wait until they get their own radical activists on the bench.

Travh20
04-05-2005, 11:23 AM
find a new website did ya?

GW_Rules
04-05-2005, 12:04 PM
You may have noticed that in the furor over the circumstances surrounding the death of Terri Schiavo, the radical right-wingers have gone a bit, um, over the top. Highlights of several stories - a man arrested for trying to steal a gun from a firearms store so he could "save Terri," a radio host who suggested that Jeb Bush should take her into custody and advocated the "killing of anyone who interferes with such rescue," a man arrested for offering a $250,000 reward for killing Terri's husband Michael, plus a $50,000 bonus for killing Judge Greer. The threats continued last week, extending as far as Michael Schiavo's family in Pennsylvania.

Did I miss something? Was it reported that these people were Republicans?

As I remember, not all Republicans were against the tube being removed and not all Democrats were for it.

korg
04-05-2005, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by GW_Rules
[B]

Did I miss something? Was it reported that these people were Republicans?

As I remember, not all Republicans were against the tube being removed and not all Democrats were for it. look around, not one dem does that violent shit. those are the " i can get away with this shit now because that asshole bush is in office " republicans !! you get real, you guys always want us to look at shit realistically, but you never do !!@

Lungdop Philing
04-05-2005, 12:41 PM
They found a dead judge today in Houston.

korg
04-05-2005, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
They found a dead judge today in Houston. with a crowd in front of his house yelling "we love bush", no doubt !

korg
04-05-2005, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by GW_Rules
[B]
Did I miss something? Was it reported that these people were Republicans?

yeah, its called thinking for yourself. selfrighteous bush clonies

Travh20
04-05-2005, 12:52 PM
I know you guys think highly of judges, but they are not imortal, they do die you know

The Praetorian
04-05-2005, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by korg
with a crowd in front of his house yelling "we love bush", no doubt !
Wtf???

GW_Rules
04-05-2005, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by korg
yeah, its called thinking for yourself. selfrighteous bush clonies

I'll I was asking for is proof that it was a Republican. I looked myself but could not find it. If you can't actually prove it, own up to it. Otherwise the first paragraph of the post is baseless.

Brooks
04-05-2005, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by korg
look around, not one dem does that violent shit.

What violent s___?

The Praetorian
04-05-2005, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Brooks
What violent s___?
Killing babies...er, uh...people.

Freethinker
04-05-2005, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
When will Republicans wake up and realize what kind of people are leading their party?

But a few short moments after they see the first mushroom cloud spreading above the American landscape, perhaps.

Or, maybe the grand epiphany of the simpleminded Conserva-sheep will occur at some point in time in the not-so-distant future, when they are standing knee deep in each other's effluvia, wearing a gas mask in order to breathe the poisonous atmosphere, as the days grow increasingly warmer and the oceans begin to rise dramatically.

Then again, the more likely answer is --"Never".

Travh20
04-05-2005, 03:45 PM
people come and go, but flawed ideaology like that of the american liberals is forever

The Praetorian
04-05-2005, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker
But a few short moments after they see the first mushroom cloud spreading above the American landscape, perhaps.
No sooner than that - those bastards would be witnessing the same thing in their skies, except they'd be bigger, more powerful, and probably laced with a chemical agent 5000 times more lethal than VX gas.

China: done - 2 bombs. Everybody dies.

Freethinker
04-05-2005, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Echo2

Let's face it - there's no such thing as a "liberal judiciary."

Of course not.

But it provides the conservative majority SUCH a delicious fantasy that they are being somehow oppressed and marginalized.

Travh20
04-05-2005, 03:52 PM
there is no such thing as a liberal judiciary if you are a liberal, same as the media. Like I have siad before, its like a smoker cant smell cigarette smoke on another smoker. If there were a conservative judiciary you sure as hell would see that, and not even put two and two together that if it is now conservative then more then likely it was liberal before that. as long as you are getting the results you want there are no biases, unfortunantly, there is always someone who is not getting what he wants

Freethinker
04-05-2005, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
No sooner than that - those bastards would be witnessing the same thing in their skies, except they'd be bigger, more powerful, and probably laced with a chemical agent 5000 times more lethal than VX gas.

How true, how true.

I mean, really, what good is the multi-trillion dollar nuclear war machine of the Corporate State if they cannot use it to extract their revenge on the billions of little foreigners on the rest of the planet who had the audacity to fight back.....???

Freethinker
04-05-2005, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
If there were a conservative judiciary you sure as hell would see that, and not even put two and two together that if it is now conservative then more then likely it was liberal before that. as long as you are getting the results you want there are no biases

?!?!?!WTF?!?!?!?!?!

HEEEEEEELLLP!!!!!

Is there anyone out there fluent in the Redneckese language who might possibly translate that for us?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

The Praetorian
04-05-2005, 04:01 PM
:eek:

You're such a pompous dick, FT. His point was rather transparent, and you know it. Someone of your intellectual caliber doesn't need any assistance figuring out what he meant.

Echo2
04-05-2005, 04:06 PM
H may be transparant but his posts are mostly incoherant dribble that have no logic or evidence behind them.

Travh20
04-05-2005, 04:08 PM
poor freethinker, all brains and no smarts

The Praetorian
04-05-2005, 04:10 PM
Btw, FT - are all conservatives "rednecks" to you, or are you just generally contented by selectively choosing to be a cock when given the right opportunity?

;)

The Praetorian
04-05-2005, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
H may be transparant but his posts are mostly incoherant dribble that have no logic or evidence behind them.
That's not true, Echo. Trav's made some great points in the past, and I respect his ability to sift through copious quantities of garbage and write a one liner that really nips shit in the bud. He does that a lot, but you wouldn’t notice because you’re too busy trying to pick him apart in the process.

Echo2
04-05-2005, 04:30 PM
Just keep drinking the Kool-Aid prae. When you are your family are knee deep in pollution, have no clean water, can't afford petroleum products, food, or basic housing, have had your jobs out-sourced and are breathing polluted air as you read your draft notice that's sending you off to fight in some foreign land without enough ammunition, for a cause that can't be pinned down- then maybe you will get it. But as you have shown over and over again, you just can't grasp sequential though process long enough to see the shit in the sewer- until you are knee deep in it.

Homeland security alert status is mauve today.

Travh20
04-05-2005, 04:42 PM
thank you Praetorian. this predictable, unscrupulous gelatoid asshat Echo2 doesnt know what she is talking about :D

Freethinker
04-05-2005, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
Btw, FT - are all conservatives "rednecks" to you, or are you just generally contented by selectively choosing to be a cock when given the right opportunity?

;)

The latter.

:D

500lbguerilla
04-05-2005, 09:39 PM
When will Republicans wake up and realize what kind of people are leading their party? When will the democrats realize what kind of people are leading their party?

Speaking of veiled threats and Tomato Terri:

SENATOR JOHN CORNYN: "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. Certainly nothing new, but we seem to have run through a spate of courthouse violence recently that's been on the news and I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters on some occasions where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in - engage in violence. Certainly without any justification but a concern that I have that I wanted to share." [Senate Floor, 4/4/05]

Hilarious to hear a senator talking about someone else being unaccoutable to the people. You know if someone said this about him he'd call the Dept. of Motherland Security. Nice little backtrack on the end there too.

Is he claiming that a rapist on the run is petitioning the government on lack of judicial accoutability?

Freethinker
04-05-2005, 10:12 PM
quote: "When will Republicans wake up and realize what kind of people are leading their party?"

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
When will the democrats realize what kind of people are leading their party?


Again, they will NEVER figure it out.

BOTH the Dems and the Repubs are in thrall --completely-- to Corporate interests.

IOW, the Rightwingers currently in control are the epitome of what Mussolini termed *fascists*.

Rightwingers unfailingly support theocracy and fascism -- they actually crave a unified authority over their lives and even their afterlives. They support censorship. They want to impose their religious views on everyone, whether that person believes in invisible deities or not. They punish anyone who strays from the fold. They brutally suppress anyone who questions authority, and they always obey abusive controllers.

Rightwingers are afraid of their own freedom. They are even more afraid of yours.