Sexual offenders should receive a life sentence in light of young Jessica Lunsford who was recently raped and murdered by a repeat sex offender.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/20/lunsford.case/

This is just one story, there are many more out there.

I know this seems harsh but I'm becoming convinced that these people can be cured and will always have the urge.

The life sentence should apply to those who;

1) Commit any sex crime against a child
2) Those who commit violent rape (I know all rapes are violent)
3) Anybody who has committed more than one crimes where perverse action was involved (flashing, peeping, illegegal pornagraphy).

Put them in the general population of the prison with a yellow jumpsuit. This will solve the overcrowding problem.

The families should not have to deal with the loss of a child because of soft laws.

What exactly creates a sex offender? I mean, what factors in one's life would drive a person to commit these horrifying acts? I know that there is a name for adults that desire having sex with children, I think its called "pesophile" or something like that. (and this doesn't only pertain to just men, there also seems to be a growing number of women (like teachers for example) that are getting nailed for having sex with their grammar school students as well).

What factors in a persons life would drive them to commit these type of crimes?

I'm not sure what drives an individual to do these horrible things. It's a sick illness that does not seem to have a cure. The urge will alway be there. And women can be just as guilty as men.

How do we protect our children when a convicted pedophile can live next door to you?

Just found this article while surfing the news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4390199.stm

He was convicted of molesting an 11-year old back in the 70's and he is still doing it from his wheelchair. Once a pedophile, always a pedophile.

Pedophile, Dun.

Thanks

Originally posted by GW_Rules
Sexual offenders should receive a life sentence in light of young Jessica Lunsford who was recently raped and murdered by a repeat sex offender.

The bold caught my eye, why keep this piece flesh alive at all? Why waste 40,000+++ a year on this person, just so he can live, eat, and watch cable TV? You are correct the life sentence for this guy should be the end of his.



I know this seems harsh but I'm becoming convinced that these people can be cured and will always have the urge.

I agree there is something wrong with child sex abusers or for that matter any type of child abuser.

The life sentence should apply to those who;

1) Commit any sex crime against a child

I agree but lets take all of these comforts out of the jails, pool tables, weight rooms, cable TV. Replace this with solid work programs make people work 12-16hrs a day that way they'll be too tired to worry about cable TV. After all the last I knew jail was for punishment not catching up on Oprah?????


2) Those who commit violent rape (I know all rapes are violent)

same


3) Anybody who has committed more than one crimes where perverse action was involved (flashing, peeping, illegegal pornagraphy).

flashing, some folks do this at parties and for jokes is it really bad? Peeping is more of a treaspassing thing is it on the same level as a child molester? Illegal porn is the same as rape for the most part.

Put them in the general population of the prison with a yellow jumpsuit. This will solve the overcrowding problem.

With an X mark on there a**

The families should not have to deal with the loss of a child because of soft laws.

Whats even worse is when these freaks get out on some technicallity and hurt and kill another.

Originally posted by GW_Rules

3) Anybody who has committed more than one crimes where perverse action was involved (flashing, peeping, illegegal pornagraphy).



A life sentence for flashing, peeping, and illegal porn...

You are touched in the head.

Just for a moment.....imagine what life in prison would be like for Michael Jackson. I'll bet he will go through the doors wishing he hadn't feminized his facial features with all that surgury. An ugly black man would have better luck than a feminized freak. bwahahahahah... Bend over and touch your toes you pervert.

Back to the subject at hand. What if we sent pedophiles to prison but gave them no protection. Just throw them into the population and tell the guys they have a new pet to play with. That way they can experience what it is like to be helpless.

I thought long and hard about whether to post on this subject. I was the victim of a violent and sadistic pedophile when I was 9. As a result, I have studied this subject quite a bit to try and understand. One thing that stands out about pedophiles is that they have almost always been victimized as children. They were powerless as children to stop the abuse, and as adults they put other children in the same position in order to feel powerful. This is not an excuse, there is no excuse for that type of behavior, but it helps to understand their motivation.
Certainly, not all children who are sexually abused become pedophiles. I read once that the average pedophile has about 100 victims in their lifetime. Many of those victims will become alcohol or drug abusers. Many will have difficulties forming relationships as adults. A small percentage will become pedophiles.
Pedophiles need to be separated from society permanently. They do not need to be made to feel helpless, that was already done to them as children. They do not need to be abused, it was already done. We need to see not just the monster, but the scared child that became the monster to cope with their feelings. I believe that a safe incarceration for life is the best solution, and that therapy to help them cope with what they have endured and done to others should be provided.

Imagineer,

Sorry to hear about your past. You do indeed have greater insight into this matter. But suppose the person who molested you was "rehabilitated" back into society, would you want him living next door to you and your children, or anybody else's children? The chance that person being "cured" is not worth risking.

I urge everybody to visit a web site that lists the locations of convicted sex offenders in your neighborhood. The FBI has a site;

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/states.htm

Don't do anything illegal if you find you have one in your neighborhood. Just be aware, keep a cautious eye on him, and report anything you see as questionable. I was amazed at how many I had in my small town.

Thanks for the site but it doesn't do much good were I live I quess they would rather protect the criminal instead of the innocent{seems to becomming the norm} :( :(

Originally posted by Ed Blank
A life sentence for flashing, peeping, and illegal porn...

You are touched in the head.

Trust me, you're not the first to say that about me........

What if we sent pedophiles to prison but gave them no protection.
apparently you dont know how prisons work. Most guards see prisoners as animals and filth, not as human beings. As such most guards allow prisoners to rape and beat each other whenever they want. And a few guards even rape and beat prisoners themselves.

I guarentee you pedophiles dont get any protection in prison already.

GW_Rules, I thought I was clear on whether pedophiles should be let out to live next door to anyones children.

[i]Pedophiles need to be separated from society permanently. [/B]

The treatment I proposed was to help them live with themselves and to deal with what they have done. I want them treated fairly, and not abused in prison. I do not think they need to be raped in order to make them feel helpless, because that was already done to them when they were children.
I guess, to sum up my position, I hope we can learn to forgive them without forgetting what they did. They will need supervision for the rest of their lives. They must never be allowed near children. They should be allowed whatever they can make of their lives in custody.

Sorry Imagineer, I misread your post.

Originally posted by GW_Rules
The life sentence should apply to those who;

1) Commit any sex crime against a child


Before you go buy a rope, consider this...my ex's 18 year-old cousin had consensual sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend. When the girl's parents found out they went to the DA who happened to be facing re-election at the time. Concerned that she might be perceived as "soft" on crime, the DA filed charges and as a result this fine young man now has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Technically, the crime this young man committed was a "sex crime against a child" and thus would earn him a life sentence if we followed your suggestion.

Sex crimes are crimes, and real sexual predators need to be incarcerated where they can only harm each other, but let's not lose sight of the fact that when you make broad generalizations in regards to any crime, you end up punishing innocent people along with the guilty.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Before you go buy a rope, consider this...my ex's 18 year-old cousin had consensual sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend. When the girl's parents found out they went to the DA who happened to be facing re-election at the time. Concerned that she might be perceived as "soft" on crime, the DA filed charges and as a result this fine young man now has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Technically, the crime this young man committed was a "sex crime against a child" and thus would earn him a life sentence if we followed your suggestion.



Looking at that case, it seems the 18 yo boy had a very bad lawyer. It was consensual sex, even if the girl was underage. Aren't there laws about the consensual minimum age? I know in some countries are as low as 14 but I thought in the US was 16 in most of the States.

Looking at that case, it seems the 18 yo boy had a very bad lawyer. It was consensual sex, even if the girl was underage. Aren't there laws about the consensual minimum age? I know in some countries are as low as 14 but I thought in the US was 16 in most of the States.
In many states the age of consent is 18, before that you aren't considered responsible enough to make a choice and it would qualify as rape. There are states in which the untold law is 16, while 18 is written, you wont get arrested unless you are something like 20 years older. The problem is that it ends up being too subjective and you could just end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I know in some states there is a separate law for concensual sex with a minor 16 years and older.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Before you go buy a rope, consider this...my ex's 18 year-old cousin had consensual sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend. When the girl's parents found out they went to the DA who happened to be facing re-election at the time. Concerned that she might be perceived as "soft" on crime, the DA filed charges and as a result this fine young man now has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Technically, the crime this young man committed was a "sex crime against a child" and thus would earn him a life sentence if we followed your suggestion.

Sex crimes are crimes, and real sexual predators need to be incarcerated where they can only harm each other, but let's not lose sight of the fact that when you make broad generalizations in regards to any crime, you end up punishing innocent people along with the guilty.

I have been wonderig how easy it is to be labeled a sex offender (apparently pretty easy).

That's the bullshit. "Sex crime" is too nebulous. They should have to be labeled "peeping tom" "rapist" etc... instead of just "sex offender".

Another thought: If "sex offsenders" have to register, why shouldn't all criminals register as "violent offender" "drug offender" "money offender" etc..?

First of all you have to separate a sexual offender from a pedophile because statistically sex offenders have the lowest rate of recidivism. Pedophilia on the other hand is at this time deemed incurable.

You can not lump them all together like that. It is unjust and does not prevent the problem. Is your goal prevention or punishment or just revenge?

One has to clearly identify that first.

To lock them up and mark them so that they too suffer unspeakable horrors is an emotional response that I can at times understand but it is certainly not the answer to the problem.

Also to take away all recreational activities creates a jail population which the jail guards can not control. This is not even a reasonable option.

Imagineer...

Obviously you have chosen prevention rather than revenge. Truly sorry for your experience!!!!! But kudos to you for being able to see clearly in spite of your experience or perhaps because of your experience.

Recently a little girl named Jetsetta was kidnapped and murdered by a friend of her mothers. He was on the child molester list. Turns out Jetsetta was the one whom he was convicted of molesting the first time. Tell me, why was he allowed around her again? Sometimes the parents are so obvivious in their own lives, or refuse to admit to themselves that something is wrong... Look how many step-fathers can abuse their wives daughters and they don't do a damn thing about it.... But I agree, once you do such a horrible act to a child, any child, you should not be allowed to be released into society again. Or you should be branded. No sane human should ever have pervertted thoughts about a child. Man or woman, you should get life. And I hope they all get raped up the bum for what they did.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Before you go buy a rope, consider this...my ex's 18 year-old cousin had consensual sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend. When the girl's parents found out they went to the DA who happened to be facing re-election at the time. Concerned that she might be perceived as "soft" on crime, the DA filed charges and as a result this fine young man now has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Technically, the crime this young man committed was a "sex crime against a child" and thus would earn him a life sentence if we followed your suggestion.

see i think he should have just gotten stat rape, not be labeled... This case should have been thrown out for iodicity. Most states set 16 or 17 as age to have consentual sex as long as the other person is not over 5 years over or younger. When I was 17 I was with a 25 year old. Yes he could have gotten tossed in jail. It was seduction on his part, but as a willing partner, I would not permit my parent to prosecute him if she found out.

Did your cousin's girlfriend speak up against this? For if she didn't, that she is just as guilty and I hope she has to live with the knowledge that she helped ruin this young man's life.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Before you go buy a rope, consider this...my ex's 18 year-old cousin had consensual sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend. When the girl's parents found out they went to the DA who happened to be facing re-election at the time. Concerned that she might be perceived as "soft" on crime, the DA filed charges and as a result this fine young man now has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Technically, the crime this young man committed was a "sex crime against a child" and thus would earn him a life sentence if we followed your suggestion.

Sex crimes are crimes, and real sexual predators need to be incarcerated where they can only harm each other, but let's not lose sight of the fact that when you make broad generalizations in regards to any crime, you end up punishing innocent people along with the guilty.

That's odd. In TX, being within 3 or 4 years of your partner is an absolute defense to statutory rape. I'm pretty sure most states have a similar law to prevent situations like this from happening. Besides that DA's aren't eager to prosecute 18 years olds having sex with 17 year olds....they have much bigger fish to fry. Are you sure you're being told the truth (it's much, much more likely that the criminal is distorting the facts of the crime he was convicted of)?

Originally posted by cheerios
see i think he should have just gotten stat rape, not be labeled... This case should have been thrown out for iodicity. Most states set 16 or 17 as age to have consentual sex as long as the other person is not over 5 years over or younger. When I was 17 I was with a 25 year old. Yes he could have gotten tossed in jail. It was seduction on his part, but as a willing partner, I would not permit my parent to prosecute him if she found out.

Did your cousin's girlfriend speak up against this? For if she didn't, that she is just as guilty and I hope she has to live with the knowledge that she helped ruin this young man's life.

Although DA's often listen to their victims for guidance as to whether to pursue the charges, victims don't control whether a case is prosecuted; the state (e.g. the prosecutor) does. Otherwise, domestic violence charges would be very rarely filed. Statutory rape seems like a similar situation.

Originally posted by Leper
Although DA's often listen to their victims for guidance as to whether to pursue the charges, victims don't control whether a case is prosecuted; the state (e.g. the prosecutor) does. Otherwise, domestic violence charges would be very rarely filed. Statutory rape seems like a similar situation.

without a victim there is no case. the only reason this could have gone through is because she is a minor. There was a woman who was being beaten by her husband. Neighbors called the cops. She refused to press charges. Not a damn thing that they could do. She ended up dead.

Originally posted by Leper
Although DA's often listen to their victims for guidance as to whether to pursue the charges, victims don't control whether a case is prosecuted; the state (e.g. the prosecutor) does. Otherwise, domestic violence charges would be very rarely filed. Statutory rape seems like a similar situation.

There has to be a victim to have a crime. And I honestly don't think consensual sex between two people with only a year or two between them should contitute as a crime. Its a fine line that could ruin the boy's life if crossed.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Aren't there laws about the consensual minimum age? I know in some countries are as low as 14 but I thought in the US was 16 in most of the States.

Here in Canada it is 14 if the sexual partner is within 3 years. If not it is stat rape. I personally think that is a tad young...

Originally posted by ~Sal~
Here in Canada it is 14 if the sexual partner is within 3 years. If not it is stat rape. I personally think that is a tad young...

I agree at 14, they are in Junior Highschool and does not need to be having sex let alone with someon in highschool... I know a girl who lost her virginity at 12, and hadn't had her first period yet and thought she couldn't get pregnant... Nevermind the fact you ovulate before the first bloody day... Anyways, she was a hoe doing all sorts of people. One got charged with Stat, she almost had 2 guys go to jail for actaul rape, but I spoke up because I was there that day and no rape took place... Anyways, if the girl is a known hoe like that, I don't think the guy should get charged. Though he should have to endure his dick being boiled. She didn't use condoms.

Sex offenders that kill and molest kids should not get life.

They should get death.

Slow, painful death.

I would be happy to administer the punishment in these cases.

I didn't think like this until I had my own child. The thought of anybody harming him just so they can blow their load....well - that simply deserves death.

Pedophiles need to be separated from society permanently. We should send them to an island filled with nympho midgets.

BTW Im cross posting this thread. Its about a millionaire pedophile rapist who got off virtually scot free do to his money
http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11247

Originally posted by Blibblob
Looking at that case, it seems the 18 yo boy had a very bad lawyer. It was consensual sex, even if the girl was underage. Aren't there laws about the consensual minimum age? I know in some countries are as low as 14 but I thought in the US was 16 in most of the States.
In many states the age of consent is 18, before that you aren't considered responsible enough to make a choice and it would qualify as rape. There are states in which the untold law is 16, while 18 is written, you wont get arrested unless you are something like 20 years older. The problem is that it ends up being too subjective and you could just end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Actually most states have a written law on 16. I looked it up once, there are charts all over stating it.