Thats trying to take control of Americas college campuses.

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Racists Feel “Intimidated”
Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing at Columbia

Political language…is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. -Orwell

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=7378
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The articles long so heres a synopsis:
Zionist make a movie trying to smear anyone who is willing to even mention that Palistinians are being murdered. Thankfully student opposition formed and the professors found the support they needed (ie: Jewish students sayng the movie is bullshit).

This has basically been happening all over America for the past decade. Zionist assholes who (pretend to*) think only jewish lives are worth anything have repeatedly laid unsubstantiated claims against college professors in a attempt to control information regarding Palistine and Israel. Anyone denouncing Israels delibrate destruction and occupation of Palistine are vilified with lies and are forced out through external pressures. They get organized religious groups to send massive mail campaigns to the president of the university. It happened at my school and I know of at least 3 others. Luckily this time it was thwarted.

* I say pretend to because Zionists care nothing about Jews. If someone actually cared about people they wouldnt build them free houses in the middle of a conflict zone. IE: Human shielded land grabs.

If someone actually cared about people they wouldnt build them free houses in the middle of a conflict zone.

The US government gave free parcels of land in Indian territories in the 1800s. Will you claim the US government didn't care about settlers? Your logic is bad, man.

Umm actually your point fits quite well. The US government didnt give a fuck about settlers. They cared about stealing land from the idigenous people.

Exactly, The U.S. government knew people would flock to the wild territories if it meant FREE land. They also knew that people are like rabbits. They breed and breed and breed. Do not underestimate your governments level of trickery and subterfuge. They have and still do use the american population to get what they want.

Oh man. They mention Ariel Beery in that article. That guy went to my summer camp! His name is written on the wall of one of our cabins! He's a former member of my youth movement! I knew he aquired some crazy right-wing views, but seeing him mentioned in an article like that is a bit scary.

Secondly, Guerilla, please stop oversimplifying. (I am well aware that the whole thing is an intensely complicated issue and it's hard NOT to oversimplify, but still.) There are many, many different varieties of Zionism (almost as many as there are varieties of Heinz Ketchup.) There's rightwing Zionism, Leftwing Zionism, Labour Zionism, Christian Zionism, People-Who-Don't-Even-Like-Jews-Zionism...the list goes on. I, myself, belong to a Socialist-Zionist youth movement, and what you and the article shovel under the umbrella-term of "Zionism" does not describe many of the Zionists I have met. I could write much more but I'll give you and others a chance to respond first.

Originally posted by sputnik
There are many, many different varieties of Zionism (almost as many as there are varieties of Heinz Ketchup.)
Actually, there's only one ketchup offered by Heinz, and from what I understand - they hardly sell it in Texas anymore. :)

LMAO @ Prae! I was thinking that Heinz only had 1 variety too...but shit, I'm probably wrong. Nice post, btw, Sputnik.

Originally posted by saycricket
LMAO @ Prae! I was thinking that Heinz only had 1 variety too...but shit, I'm probably wrong. Nice post, btw, Sputnik.
They have 57 varieties of products ranging from pickle relish to malt vinegar, but rest assured, there's only one ketchup. :)

Sorry I dont by the whole "because God said so" bullshit.

Are you saying 'Manifest Destiny' was a good thing?

Just because something was written a long time ago doesnt mean it hold any more validity than something that was written yesterday.

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

But please do descibe what you believe since I do not know of these varieties.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
They have 57 varieties of products ranging from pickle relish to malt vinegar, but rest assured, there's only one ketchup. :)
http://www.snopes.com/business/hidden/heinz57.asp

from the article Borg linked to:
Rather, Heinz was riding an elevated train in New York when he spied an advertising placard in the train car promoting "21 styles" of shoes; struck by the concept, and recognizing that catchiness and resonance were far more important qualities for a company slogan than literal accuracy, Heinz cast about for the perfect number to use for his own company's version of the phrase.

Wow, I never knew that. Has anyone here ever seen the original Manchurian Candidate, where the McCarthy-like character picks the number of Communists in the state department by looking at a bottle of Heinz Ketchup? Made me think of that.

Sorry I dont by the whole "because God said so" bullshit.

Are you saying 'Manifest Destiny' was a good thing?

Just because something was written a long time ago doesnt mean it hold any more validity than something that was written yesterday.

I think nothing of the sort. And if you'd paid closer attention, you'd know that I'm an Atheist. In fact, I've said much of the same things you're saying now when confronted with rightwing Zionism. However, not all Zionists are like that.

Indeed, there are many people who believe that the land of Israel is promised to them by God, and some of those Zionists settle in the West Bank or Gaza Strip. However, around the time of World War Two, many Jews went to Israel because it was their ancestral homeland and they really had nowhere else to go. Even Jews who had not been affected by the holocaust were frightened by the fact that Germany, which had been tolerant of Jews before the rise of Nazism, could turn around and start persecuting them so hideously. Some wondered whether Jews could ever live safely as a minority in any country. Unfortunately, many Zionists simply did not consider the fact that people were already living in Palestine as a problem. Theodor Herzl, the founder of Political Zionism, did not even mention the Palestinians in any of his speeches or books. I'm not defending the point of view that the Palestinians aren't important, since I certianly think they are. However, this sympathy held by the Jewish refugees who wished to Palestine doesn't make them evil or cruel. Perhaps, so overcome with their own suffering, they couldn't bring themselves to think of the suffering of others.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla

Just because something was written a long time ago doesnt mean it hold any more validity than something that was written yesterday.

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

I don't know if it's intentional, but that juxtaposition is hysterical.







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LOL, the dude says he doesnt think something should have any more validity if it was written a long time ago but continues to use quotes form a long time ago to try and prove his points, whatever those may be. I dont know what juxtaposition means, but if that it I noticed it, LOL

Originally posted by Travh20
LOL, the dude says he doesnt think something should have any more validity if it was written a long time ago but continues to use quotes form a long time ago to try and prove his points, whatever those may be.
Gee, thanks for explaining what Brooks said, Trav, I never would have gotten it myself...

first of all, I would like to second everything sputnik has said, being of nearly identical opinions to her on most things, and belonging to the same youth movement as her.
zionism has a long and vaired history. it is very much a cultural thing, and it comes in all politcal stripes. if you want us cool, socialisty ones, visit www.hashomerhatzair.org . thats th website for my youth movement (it might be down now, i apologize). if you look up ber borochov (flip my triangle sputnik) you'll learn a lot about our basic philosophies. there r ones who actually like fascism, literally, and who even supported mussolini and hitler unti lthey become anti-semitic (although they always were, but they just liked authoritatiran government so much.....)
look up Zeev Jabotinsky, and you will find out about their philosophy. there are many things in between, those represetn pretty muh the extemes on left and right. its a complex issue, and it involves soooo much more than politics. everyone should really learn as muh as possible about it, and i will tell you anything you wnat to know, or point you towards good sources (not the propoganda bullshit you got here).

What like these:

1.. Jews NOT Zionist
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

2.. Jewish Peace Fellowship
http://www.jewishpeacefellowship.org/index.htm

3.. Neturei Karta Homepage
http://www.nkusa.org

4.. Yesh Gvul, The movement for IDF men refusing to serve in the Occupied Territories.
http://www.diak.org/

5.. Gush Shalom
http://www.gush-shalom.org/

6.. Bat Shalom, Israeli Women for Peace
http://www.batshalom.org/

7.. Deutsch-Isrelischer Arbeitskreis fur Frieden im Nahen Osten (DIAK)
http://www.batshalom.org/

8.. Eda Haredit, A hundred thousand anti-Zionist Hasidim all at one place.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/satmar.html

9.. B'Tselem
http://www.btselem.org/

10.. "Occupied Territory"
http://www.occupied.org/

11.. Rabbis for Human Rights
http://www.rhr.israel.net/indexa.html

12.. Not in Our Name Coalition
http://www.diak.org/not_in_our_name.htm

13.. Oz v'Shalom - Netivot Shalom (religious Zionist anti-Occupation)
http://www.ariga.com/ozveshalom/index.asp

14.. The Hidden History of Zionism by Ralph Schoenman:
http://www.balkanunity.org/mideast/english/zionism/

15.. Association for Civil Rights in Israel
http://www.nif.org/

And I use quotes because if someone who came before has already stated my opinion so eloquantly why should I restate such? Also I repect her opinion for the accomplishments she made in her life not because she lived a long time ago. The authors of the bible and torah are anonymous. For all we know they were insane hermits who thought god talked to them. God talks to people now and days to. telling them to kill their family members, invade countries, and bomb abortion clinics. So which one is really the voice of god?...Your comparison is flawed...