Another article I found while surfing the 'net. Amazingly good one as well.

It's written by Richard Bernstein for the International Herald Tribune.

Bernstien also wonders if Bush did do the right thing, seeing as how so many things are going right in the Middle East. When one of the correspondents for the International Herald Tribune (IHC) in Washington actually DARED to suggest that maybe Bush and his axis of evil thing was right, it was met with strenuous objections from the IHC staff. They dismiss it as luck. They wonder if two years of bloodshed was worth what is being gained. The Euros question whether democracy can truly take root. It's been pointed out that the vote in Iraq fell along ethnic and religious lines. BUT it's possible to bring out a few bright spots in what is referred to as a "uniformally dark framework."

Anyway, one really can't expect, after all the bitter opposition to America's ideals for a seismic shift in public opinion. But the Euros do wonder if Bush was right after all.


Article (http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/17/news/europa.html)

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal

Bernstien also wonders if Bush did do the right thing, seeing as how so many things are going right in the Middle East.........

?!?!

""So many things are going right in the Middle East""..............?!?!?!?

This guy can NOT be serious.

Also, wouldn't saying "Some Euros wonder if Bush is right" be a bit akin to saying -- "Some Americans wonder if in reality the Earth is flat"..........?

"The pictures of the people voting, even though it's hard to say it was worth two years of war, psychologically it was a turning point," Hassner said.

That was very clear on this forum as well. The conservative posters were having a field day while the liberal posters were extremely quiet. It was very similar to the days following the presidential election. I find it amusing that the liberals saw the election results in such a bad light. This phenomenom backs up what Darth Be'lal was talking about in his thread, A lib finally admits its........... (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=118287#post118287).

Originally posted by Karankawa
quoting the French political scientist Hassner----

"The pictures of the people voting, even though it's hard to say it was worth two years of war, psychologically it was a turning point," Hassner said.

In the next paragraph, it is noted ---""Hassner and government officials in France and Germany, the countries most vociferously against the war, point out that there is still the question of cost: were all those lost lives, all that chaos, the kidnappings, the suicide bombings, the vicious and unending insurgency a price worth paying for what has been gained?""

Indeed there are numerous sentences and phrases within the article that give a VERY different picture of the Euro's true feelings, as opposed to the --- ""Some Euros wonder of Bush might have been right""-- spin that instigated this thread.

""A specter is haunting Europe and it is the possibility, after the elections in Iraq, that perhaps Bush is less of a dangerous bungler than so many Europeans previously believed him to be.""

LOL. Doesn't exactly seem to be a ringing endorsement of Bush....merely an admission that he is **not as dangerous a bungler** as previously thought.


""Here in Berlin over the past couple of weeks, for example, a spirited debate has taken place at the German daily Der Tagesspiegel, the issue of which was just how far to go in acknowledging that some good might now be coming out of the Bush foreign policy....But after the election, when the paper's Washington correspondent suggested on Page 1 that maybe, after all, Bush sniffed out a truth about the "axis of evil," the staff strenuously objected. "The idea that Bush might actually have been right - that was a little much for our staff," Marschall said.""

"Most Europeans think that improvements in the Middle East - elections in Afghanistan, Palestine and Iraq - have come about because Bush is lucky, that it was because of chance," Dassu said in a telephone conversation.

A recent poll by the German Marshall Fund, conducted after the election in the United States but before the election in Iraq, shows vividly how deep the European distrust of America is. Among the findings: 65 percent of the French and 57 percent of the Germans found strong American leadership in world affairs to be either somewhat or strongly undesirable.

Taken as a whole, the impetus of the article seems to be --"A small number of people in Europe now regard Bush as slightly less of a dangerous and bumbling idiot than they thought of him previously"

Originally posted by Freethinker
?!?!

""So many things are going right in the Middle East""..............?!?!?!?

This guy can NOT be serious.

Also, wouldn't saying "Some Euros wonder if Bush is right" be a bit akin to saying -- "Some Americans wonder if in reality the Earth is flat"..........?

ya, how dare you say democratic reform is better then the old status quo. If those people wanted democracy they would have voted saddam out of office already damnit!

and arth, it isnt news that bush was right, it is news that the left is finally admiting they are wrong, again.

Grasping at rumors wont help your cause guys. But if it makes you feel better................

Bwahahahahaha

your a walking contradiction echo

Originally posted by Travh20

and arth, it isnt news that bush was right, it is news that the left is finally admiting they are wrong,

No one in the article heading this thread says --"Hey, Bush was right!".

About the closest anyone from over there comes to lauding Bush is when they say --"Bush might not be quite as dangerous a bungler as we previously thought him to be".

It's hilarious that you and other head-in-the-sand Righties see the article as a huge positive endorsement for Bush.

wouldnt a right wing controlled media be full of positive endorsements for bush freethinker? why would we have to cling to this one?

Originally posted by Travh20
wouldnt a right wing controlled media be full of positive endorsements for bush freethinker?

Yes....or else simply a refusal to examine or criticize any of his faiures and wrongdoings.

Just as we see happening.

Originally posted by Travh20
why would we have to cling to this one?

Childlike immaturity and extreme insecurity would be my guess.

The media does nothing but question Bush and his actions. I think you have this crazy idea that the media should somehow be making our national policy, and if they are not running the country in spite of bush they somehow are 100% behind him. wake up freethinker, the media is there to report what happens, not decide what is right or wrong or what should happen next.

Originally posted by Travh20
The media does nothing but question Bush and his actions.

Right-o.

I guess that's what what kept us out of the war in Iraq.

That's why there was talk of impeaching Bush for failing to stop the 9/11 attacks.

That's why Bush came under a thunderstorm of criticism from the Press for blocking investigations into 9/11.





Originally posted by Travh20
wake up freethinker, the media is there to report what happens, not decide what is right or wrong

They are failing miserably at the job of reporting what is happening.

The mainstream Media is a virtual subsidiary of the GOP, and dare not print or broadcast any story truly critical of Bush.

Yeah, I guess, if you try hard enough, you can rationalize 100,000 dead women and children as making things better.

WTF???

Dop