I thought our little friend overdose would get a kick out of this, seeing as he is gay and the worlds biggest madonna fan.



Boy George: Madonna a hypocritical homophobe (http://www.examiner.ie/breaking/story.asp?j=166029118&p=y66xz998y&n=166030061&x=)

Boy George, now there is an outstanding citizen :D :D :D

From Article: He fumes: "I have a problem with Madonna's devotion to Kabbalah, because I watched a documentary that said that Kabbalah believes that gay people are diseased and can be cured.

"She's such a hypocrite. This is the woman who has embraced homosexuality and used it to her advantage."

"I watched a Micheal Moore documentary, it said that Al Gore would have prevented 9/11."

lmao...yeah the new big Hollywood spiritual experience... Kabbalahism... or some such name... Paris Hilton belongs...that should about show ya the level that they brought it down to....But then Boy George is not exactly a brainiac himself...

They should only offer it in Hebrew...see how many still get "into" it.

Originally posted by Blibblob
From Article: He fumes: "I have a problem with Madonna's devotion to Kabbalah, because I watched a documentary that said that Kabbalah believes that gay people are diseased and can be cured.

"She's such a hypocrite. This is the woman who has embraced homosexuality and used it to her advantage."

"I watched a Micheal Moore documentary, it said that Al Gore would have prevented 9/11."

ya, because I think Micheal Moore's "documentary" was full of shit I can not believe another documentary that says judism is agaisnt homosexuality. whatever.

ya, because I think Micheal Moore's "documentary" was full of shit I can not believe another documentary that says judism is agaisnt homosexuality. whatever.
I was commenting on Boy George's wonderful information source and how he said it. "...because I watched a documentary...".

it doesnt take a documentary or a religious scholar to know that the ancient religions are agaisnt homosexuality blibblob. It probably just made it click in his head that madonna the lesbian-when-convienient turned religious type was a hypocrite. I am sure he wasnt going through life thinking jews and chritians and muslims were cool with homosexuality until he saw a documentary that told him otherwise

1. Any proof that Madonna supports this religion? Besides what Boy George "says"

2. He saw a movie? So, now he knows for sure that this religion supports curing homosexuals? And thinking you can cure homosexuality does not mean you are a homophobe

3. Any quotes from Madonna that support her support for this? I'm waiting to see if Boy George has any proof that Madonna supports these people.

it doesnt take a documentary or a religious scholar to know that the ancient religions are agaisnt homosexuality blibblob. Not to take away from the context of this thread, but I don't think that ALL of the ancient religions were against homosexuality. I think it was tolerated by some and shunned by others.

Originally posted by Overdose
1. Any proof that Madonna supports this religion? Besides what Boy George "says"

2. He saw a movie? So, now he knows for sure that this religion supports curing homosexuals? And thinking you can cure homosexuality does not mean you are a homophobe

3. Any quotes from Madonna that support her support for this? I'm waiting to see if Boy George has any proof that Madonna supports these people.

WTF? what kind of a madonna fan are you if you dont even know she is into the kaballa? Even I know that and I think madonna music sucks. she changed her name to Ester after her favorite Bible character and went to jerusalem and everything, even wears the 25 dollar red string braclet. you better get educated on this

Who the heck gives a shit about what madonna or boy george think? They're both wackjobs not living in reality. I'm surprised that boy george has any brain cells left after all the heroin he used.

harldly anybody cares what they think. I just know that overdose happens to be gay and a madonna fan so I thougth he may find this information interesting

Originally posted by Travh20
WTF? what kind of a madonna fan are you if you dont even know she is into the kaballa? Even I know that and I think madonna music sucks. she changed her name to Ester after her favorite Bible character and went to jerusalem and everything, even wears the 25 dollar red string braclet. you better get educated on this

1. Kaballa is not a homophobic religion. Just because one may believe there may be a cure for homosexuality, does not mean you are a homophobe. So your title for this thread is false. Madonna does not hate gays...sorry to tell you.

2. Just because you may be apart of a religion, that does not mean you believe everything that is in that religion. Many people believe int he overall idea of a religion, but not EVERY aspect of that religion.

3. Until you can give me quotes of Madonna saying she thinks there is a cure, or until you can give me a quote of her saying something "homophboic" YOU have NO story.

LOL, it must be nice to base all of your beliefs on whats convienient

Well, Trav, he has an excellent point. Do you have any evidence that Madonna is homophobic, outside of her religion? Plenty of Christians think homosexuality is OK, even though the general view is that Christians think it's wrong. As OD said, until you post a quote from Madonna demonstrating that she's homophobic, it must be assumed (due to her previous behavior) that she's not.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Well, Trav, he has an excellent point. Do you have any evidence that Madonna is homophobic, outside of her religion? Plenty of Christians think homosexuality is OK, even though the general view is that Christians think it's wrong. As OD said, until you post a quote from Madonna demonstrating that she's homophobic, it must be assumed (due to her previous behavior) that she's not.

:) lalala

*waits for the quote*

I never said she was a homophobe, Boy George did. I always thought she was a homosexual or bi sexual or whatever. I dont doubt she is pro homosexual, as I have always thought this kaballa thing was another fad she was going through because she is a fake person with constantly changing convictions. What boy george said made a lot of sense though. She cant go around preaching kaballa and writing books on it and taking trips to its holy places and changing her name all of that and still be kissing other girls. it is hypocritical. if you want to say christians are hypocritical go ahead, because most of them are. I just thought it was an interesting article is all. I know overdose wont believe anything he doesnt have to.

from now I think I will just sit there with my head up my ass demanding a quote next time someone says bush wanted to invade iraq for oil. give me a quote where he says " I want to invade iraq for oil" otherwise its a bunch of BS, right overdose? thats what OD is saying about madonna. we cant take what she believes in and apply it to them, we have to get a quote. waht a joke, this kid has no clue what beliefs even are. So anyway, I would like to know how you think bush invaded irq for oil if he has never been quoted as saying that?

Originally posted by Travh20
I never said she was a homophobe, Boy George did.
Then he's wrong

Originally posted by Travh20
I dont doubt she is pro homosexual, as I have always thought this kaballa thing was another fad she was going through because she is a fake person with constantly changing convictions.
How is she fake? Just because she likes to change her mind on religion, does not make her fake. She is just trying to find out everything she can about all religions and thoughts, so she can make an informed opinion on what she thinks. It just so happens she changes what she thinks a lot, because she is so open to everything. Why is changing a bad thing? Why does it make you fake?

Originally posted by Travh20
She cant go around preaching kaballa and writing books on it and taking trips to its holy places and changing her name all of that and still be kissing other girls. it is hypocritical.
Again, many people don't believe in all aspects of the religion they are apart of. Do you know for sure Madonna thinks there is a cure? No. You just have her religion. Well, I guess now I can say all Christans want gays to die? No, I can't. You can't base someones opinions, off their religion. It just isn't logical. Many people believe in the core values of a religion, but not EVERYTHING that that religion believes.

If you cannot give me a quote to show she is anti-homosexual, or a hipocrite, then she isn't. All you have to say is "her religion!" well, her religion is very large, and entails a lot of different views. I'm SURE Madonna does not think there is a cure. Until you can prove me otherwise, you have no story.

As borg said, as showing her past actions, she isn't anti-homosexual.

Originally posted by Travh20
So anyway, I would like to know how you think bush invaded irq for oil if he has never been quoted as saying that?
I don't think he went in for oil.

If Boy George were to get a sex change would he/she be a boy or girl? :D

Originally posted by mad dog
If Boy George were to get a sex change would he/she be a boy or girl? :D

Yes. :)

Originally posted by Overdose
How is she fake? Just because she likes to change her mind on religion, does not make her fake. She is just trying to find out everything she can about all religions and thoughts, so she can make an informed opinion on what she thinks. It just so happens she changes what she thinks a lot, because she is so open to everything. Why is changing a bad thing? Why does it make you fake?
OD - you can't be serious...

The woman has made a career out of marketing her personalities. From daily hair and image changes, name changes, fake fucking accents, a veritable train wreck of exploited relationships, and pregnancies, to having pseudo religious convictions, and the like. The woman is about as phony as a celebrity can get, and that's NOT an exaggeration. Here's a question: does she write her own music?

I thought so...

(Most exceptionally famous people have less of an identity crisis, and there's a lot to say for that.)

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Here's a question: does she write her own music?

I thought so...

I don't know if she writes all of it, but I'm pretty sure she's written most of it.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
I don't know if she writes all of it, but I'm pretty sure she's written most of it.
Right you are Lionel, I stand corrected. However, it hardly changes the fact that the bitch is a raging phony.

it doesnt change the fact that it sucks

Originally posted by The Praetorian
From daily hair and image changes
Ummm, she likes to be unique and change herself. That makes you an individual, and someone who isn't plain and boring.

name changes
??

fake fucking accents
How does that make you a fake person? And when does she have a fake accent? And how does changing your voice, make you an all around fake person?

a veritable train wreck of exploited relationships
Haven't you had love and relationship troubles? I'm sure you have. And if you were famous, they would have been a "train wreck of exploited relationships." Just because she is famous, does not mean she can't have a love life. Love is always confusing and a lot of the time it ends in hurt. It just so happens her love is in the eye of the public, because she is famous.

to having pseudo religious convictions
Changing religions means you are open to everything, and willing to learn and change. Why does change make you fake?

Here's a question: does she write her own music?
Most of it, yes.

Originally posted by Travh20
it doesnt change the fact that it sucks

50 Total Commercial Singles
24 Gold Singles
04 Platinum Singles
45 Top 40 Singles
41 Top 20 Singles
35 Top 10 Singles
12 No. 1 Singles
32 Total Weeks at No. 1

This is how many copies she has sold of her records in
America: 61.0 million
Worldwide: 157.0 million

668 Weeks in the top 100 in America, for her albums.

Originally posted by Overdose
50 Total Commercial Singles
24 Gold Singles
04 Platinum Singles
45 Top 40 Singles
41 Top 20 Singles
35 Top 10 Singles
12 No. 1 Singles
32 Total Weeks at No. 1

This is how many copies she has sold of her records in
America: 61.0 million
Worldwide: 157.0 million

668 Weeks in the top 100 in America, for her albums.
Popularity does not necessarily equal quality...

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Popularity does not necessarily equal quality...
When did I say it did? I just am showing that she does have a successful career...and that MANY people DO think her music IS quality otherwise, I don't think they would buy it.

She has had a very successful career. But like it or not, popularity does not necessarily equal quality. However, if you think Madonna's music is great, then more power to you. I think it sucks, therefore I don't listen to it.

I love choice. :)

Originally posted by BorgHunter
She has had a very successful career.
That's all I was trying to show, Borg. And that, many people do find her music good, otherwise they wouldn't buy it.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
But like it or not, popularity does not necessarily equal quality.
That's your opinion. However, many, as shown with her success, find it to be quality music.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I think it sucks, therefore I don't listen to it.
Considering she has released so many songs...I bet there would be a few songs you would like. I think that goes for MOST people. She has had so many different types of songs...that if everyone were to honestly listen to all of the music she has put out, I'm betting everyone could find a few songs they like. But hey, that's just what I think.

Originally posted by Overdose
Ummm, she likes to be unique and change herself. That makes you an individual, and someone who isn't plain and boring.

Not when you do it as a pre-planned self-promotion rather than due to changing interests and self-exploration.

But I have no proof of that, it's just my guess.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Not when you do it as a pre-planned self-promotion rather than due to changing interests and self-exploration.

But I have no proof of that, it's just my guess.
Err, she has been an artist for over 20 years. I doubt anyone has dressed, acted, or even thought the same for that long of a time span.

why bother with the kid, he sees flip flopping flakiness as a virtue, just go back and read his defense of John Kerry

Originally posted by Travh20
why bother with the kid, he sees flip flopping flakiness as a virtue, just go back and read his defense of John Kerry

Only you could take a discussion about Madonna and try to turn it into a discussion about OD and John Kerry. Get a grip Trav, not everything is about politics.

C'mon Vile, that wasn't a bad comparison...

While we're on the subject of Madonna's flakiness - let me ask, do you think she's a phony?

Not when you do it as a pre-planned self-promotion rather than due to changing interests and self-exploration.

But I have no proof of that, it's just my guess.
Well said, Lionel.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
While we're on the subject of Madonna's flakiness - let me ask, do you think she's a phony?

To be very honest I know little about her life, her interests, or her career. As a general rule I don't follow the lives of celebrities.

I'd also like to say, I'm not sure what you mean by a "phony"? I doubt she does what she does to impress people...she has enough money not to worry about what ather people think.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
I'd also like to say, I'm not sure what you mean by a "phony"? I doubt she does what she does to impress people...she has enough money not to worry about what ather people think.
Are you kidding? People like Madonna base their ENTIRE career on what people think of them, their fashion, and their faux personas. If you think the only thing Madonna sold was her music, then you've entirely missed the boat.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
If you think the only thing Madonna sold was her music, then you've entirely missed the boat.

This may shock you, seeing as I'm gay and all, but I've never bought any of her music, and the only time I've seen her videos is at a bar, and I really don't pay much attention to music videos. I think music is for listening to, not watching. Madonna is one boat I'm not sorry to have missed.

For someone who is not interested in Madonna, you sure are posting a lot in this thread.

Trav has made 9 posts in this thread. Is he a Madonna fan as well?

That's not fair, K. I've asked him questions and he's replied. We're not a Madonna fan club; we're just casually conversing - that's all.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Are you kidding? People like Madonna base their ENTIRE career on what people think of them, their fashion, and their faux personas. If you think the only thing Madonna sold was her music, then you've entirely missed the boat.
Isn't it true that every artist has an image? And tries to gain attention with that image? No matter if it's the country-cowboy look, preppy pretty boy look, crazy devil goth look, or the ever changing wild look? Every artist has an image. I don't see why you think Madonna is OH so fake because she tries to have an image? Every artist has an image, and they try to make their music known by exposing their image. Not to say all artists do this, but the vast majority do. It seems you unfairly attack Madonna on her "image"

As for Madonna changing all the time, isn't it true that she has been around for over 20 years? Don't trends, fashion, hair, and everything change? Why is it so bad that Madonna changes? Are you the same as you were 20 years ago? Do you think you'll be the same 20 years from now? It's doubful to say the least.

Your point is well taken OD, and to be honest with you - I'd never given Madonna much thought, but after her marriage to Guy Ritchie surfaced along with that obnoxiously fake accent, I lost all respect for her. Truth be told, she's a talented lady and a marketing genius, but her lack of a general capacity for making decent decisions has caused me to question the quality of her character, and rightfully so.

While I find myself agreeing that people do change, I also find myself questioning what constitutes an acceptable degree of change, or simply, if it's a positive change. I don't see her as changing as much as I see her reinventing herself as Esther, the British nobler, who's part of a newly found Tinsel town clique that celebrates their uniqueness by all doing the same thing: embracing new religions, marrying whoever they can to garner cheap publicity, etc., etc. Yeah, I have to say that it's unique all right – nobody real does it.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
but after her marriage to Guy Ritchie surfaced along with that obnoxiously fake accent, I lost all respect for her.
Honestly, who she decides to marry, is her bussiness. And as for the fake accent? Why is that a reason to lose respect for someone? Who the fuck cares?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
but her lack of a general capacity for making decent decisions has caused me to question the quality of her character, and rightfully so.
Err, I think most adults who are in their 50's have made some sort of mistakes in terms of decision making. Madonna is no different. People learn and grow from their mistakes. It just so happens everything she fucks up on, is in the media. But, it's really no different then anyone else...aside from the fact she is famous.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I also find myself questioning what constitutes an acceptable degree of change, and if it's a positive change.
I think that Madonna does change more-so then the average person. That's because of the lifestyle she lives. Everyone in Hollywood changes far more then the average person. But regardless, everyone changes. And she is no different, it just so happens everything she changes is in the media and made out to be 10 times worse then it really is.

Originally posted by Overdose
And as for the fake accent? Why is that a reason to lose respect for someone? Who the fuck cares?
Wow, I was hoping I wouldn't have to explain this.:( Your flippant attitude concerning something so utterly noxious kinda scares me...

Psst...SHE'S NOT BRITISH!

Originally posted by Overdose
Err, I think most adults who are in their 50's have made some sort of mistakes in terms of decision making. Madonna is no different. People learn and grow from their mistakes. It just so happens everything she fucks up on, is in the media. But, it's really no different then anyone else...aside from the fact she is famous.
Yeah, most people get married a multitude of times, change their name, embrace new religions, and have babies out of wedlock.

Are you kidding me?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Wow, I was hoping I wouldn't have to explain this.:( Your flippant attitude concerning something so utterly noxious kinda scares me...

Psst...SHE'S NOT BRITISH!
Right, and that's a reason to dislike her?

Yeah, most people get married a multitude of times
Most people in hollywood do. Most people living the lifestyle she lives, do. It's not uncommon for people in hollywood to marry many times. That's why in my previous post, I said that she is living the typical hollywood lifestyle.

But the divorce rate is 50% in America, so, yes, I would say that a lot of people DO get married at least a few times.

change their name
I know people who have done that. But err, I'm failing to see why that matters? Most stars change their names. But how does changing your name make you a bad person? Or stupid?

embrace new religions
Yep. I have been in a few religions in my lifetime and I'm only 15. She's far older then me.

And as if changing religions, or being open to new religions is a bad thing?

Okay, OD, you win. Your argument is too compelling for me to think she's a phony anymore.

Thanks :)