Dispute Over Leading Prayer
Va. County Biased Against Wiccan, ACLU Suit Says

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 7, 2002; Page B01

RICHMOND, Dec. 6 -- In Chesterfield County, elected leaders bow their heads for a brief prayer to start every meeting of the Board of Supervisors.

Local ministers, priests and the occasional rabbi, each of whom has volunteered to be on a list, offer words of inspiration before the meeting shifts to zoning laws, budget cuts and public hearings. It's been that way for years.

But when Cynthia Simpson, a witch and local Wiccan priestess, volunteered, she received a firm "no." In a letter from the county's attorney, she was told that only members of "Judeo-Christian" religions can pray on the board's behalf.

Today, two civil liberties groups filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the county's response to Simpson amounts to religious discrimination. The suit demands that the county either stop offering prayers before meetings or allow Simpson to participate.

"They are allowing people of some religious faiths to participate and not others," said Kent Willis, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia, one of the groups that sued. "It is virtually impossible for the government to get involved in religion without discriminating."

Barry W. Lynn, director of the D.C.-based Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which joined the lawsuit, accused Chesterfield supervisors of acting like "theological kingpins."

"This strikes at the core of the principle that we make no distinction about religion," Lynn said.

Simpson, a domestic violence consultant for the state Department of Health, says Wicca -- interchangeable, she says, with witchcraft -- is a peaceful religion in which reverence and respect for the cycles of nature are key.

She said she wanted to offer the prayer to help dispel images of wicked witches on broomsticks.

"I am being denied an opportunity here solely on the basis of my religion," Simpson said. "There's no other reason for it. In this case, a judgment is being made about what is a true religion and what is not. Government shouldn't be making that judgment."

In his letter to Simpson, County Attorney Steven L. Micas wrote that "Chesterfield's nonsectarian invocations are traditionally made to a divinity that is consistent with the Judeo-Christian tradition. Based upon our review of Wicca, it is neo-pagan and invokes polytheistic, pre-Christian deities."

Kelly E. Miller, chairman of the Chesterfield Board of Supervisors, vowed to fight the lawsuit. He said the county should continue to allow prayers only from Jews and Christians.

"That is basically a non-religion," Miller said of Wicca. "It doesn't recognize the God that we have recognized. My perspective is that we should continue to follow the Judeo-Christian perspective. In the name of diversity, we need not throw away our Christian heritage."

Miller said the policy is "the right course," even though it likely would bar Muslims and Hindus from offering the prayers as well.

But Lynn called it a violation of the First Amendment, which prohibits the establishment of a national religion. He predicted that a federal judge would quickly force Chesterfield to stop its current practice.

Lynn also urged Miller and the other board members to give up the fight. "It would be foolish for this Board of Supervisors to waste taxpayer funds to pursue a hopeless case," he said.

"Sometimes," Lynn added, "it looks like something is suspicious because they only pick, for example, Presbyterian ministers, and you say, 'I wonder if they are biased?' Here they frankly admit that it's done to promote one religious sentiment over others. This is about as blatant as you can get."

© 2002 The Washington Post Company

Views, anyone?

Appears there might be more idiots in Chesterfield County than the quota calls for. The oldest religions on earth share much with the Wiccan teachings. One might make the argument that Judaeo-Christian teachings do not constitute a religion in the truest sense of the word.

Tentmaker

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Dispute Over Leading Prayer
Va. County Biased Against Wiccan, ACLU Suit Says

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 7, 2002; Page B01

Miller said the policy is "the right course," even though it likely would bar Muslims and Hindus from offering the prayers as well.


© 2002 The Washington Post Company



I am very surprised that the Washington Post could make such a mistake ! Muslims worship the same god as christians and jews.

There should be no prayer at all in any non-specifically religious ceremony, if you want my opinion.

Astrapol2,

My disagreement could not be more complete. Muslims do not worship the same god as Christians and Jews. Any Muslim will tell you that Allah (al-lah) has no sons. In Christianity Jesus of the non-existing Nazarath is the Son of God. In Judaism there are numerous sons of Yahweh. Muslims say Christians and Jews are deluded. Christians and Jews call Muslims heretics.

Tentmaker

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BorgHunter
[B]Dispute Over Leading Prayer
Va. County Biased Against Wiccan, ACLU Suit Says

"That is basically a non-religion," Miller said of Wicca. "It doesn't recognize the God that we have recognized. My perspective is that we should continue to follow the Judeo-Christian perspective. In the name of diversity, we need not throw away our Christian heritage."

Miller said the policy is "the right course," even though it likely would bar Muslims and Hindus from offering the prayers as well.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Typical christian attitude towards other religions. astrapol2, I have to agree with you on this one.

There should be no prayer at all in any non-specifically religious ceremony, if you want my opinion.
:D thewalrus

Originally posted by Tentmaker
Muslims do not worship the same god as Christians and Jews.(…) Muslims say Christians and Jews are deluded. Christians and Jews call Muslims heretics.


Yes. Muslims, Jews and Christians do not have the same beliefs. Not the same religion. But basically the three worship the same God, the God of Abraham. There is even a church in Brittany, in western France, where there is avery year a celebration including catholics and muslims ! And the three religions have many holy places in common, starting with Jerusalem.

Astralpol2,

The god of Abraham was not Yahweh, nor the Christian god Johavah, nor Allah. Read the Old Testament or the Torah.

Tentmaker

Allah means God in arabic. The three religions refer to the same Old testament and have many things in common. You can point out their differences as long as you want, it won't change that fact.

Astrapol2,

The Name of Allah is the same as the name of Elohim:

a- In the Semetic languages Vowels do not count. Consonants form the words. These consonants are not written because they are not important and they do make the word sick and ill. So if we look at the name of Allah and the name of Elohim we will find the following:
Allah = L + H, Elohim = L+H+M (we will ignore the M and come back to it later).

b- In the Semetic languages, word roots are formed of three letters. It was found later on that these three letters were formed of two two-letter verbs. A complete study was made by several scholars among which is Fr. Marmarji S.J. in Lebanon.

c- L+H= LH (pronounced 'lahh') means "to him". God, Allah or Yahweh is not the name of God, Allah and Yahweh. God is not the name. He exists and no one knows his name. If we know His name then we will possess Him and understand Him, then He is not God the Omnopotents the Existant etc..


d- So instead we say "to Him" be the glory. "To Him" be the praise Look at the book of Revelation 5:13: Blessing and honor and glory and power be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. It is safe to say that instead of saying God you can say "To Him"

e- Till our present day, Christians and Moslems replace the name of God with "Taala" (pronounced 'Tah-ah-lah') the excelsior, the most high.

Tentmaker

Moses and the Name of Yahweh

a- Moses did not know the name of God even several hundred years after Abraham who is supposed to have known God and became the friend of God. Moses is from the descendents of Abraham, he is the leader and yet he did not know Him. The story is known where Moses says what is your name so I may tell them. God said "Yehyeh Asher Yehyeh" that means be who it be. He may have said I be who I am, or it is not your business to know my name. God definitely did not reveal his name to Moses. Moses used the verb to be in order to denote God, hence the word "existent" came to play a role. You have to know that the word of God when uttered does not go out in vain, it has to produce something. The "existent" has a triple chronological dimention in the semetic language. It means he who was, he who is and he who will be.Revelation again mentions these three dimentions.

b- The name got deformed adonai

Tentmaker

Thank you for this very intersting lecture that learned me many things. Do you speak hebrew and arabic ? I'm impressed.
Still, the three religions share the same basic beliefs. If you have been studying them you can't ignore it.

Maybe there are just no Wiccan people on the board. If not, then I could understand why they wouldn't want a wiccan prayer.

Astrapol2,

Merely the result of years of studying Semitic languages and religions. Those definitions are the cooperative efforts of a number of students.

Tentmaker

My comment was not ironical (for once) ! I really appreciated your post.

But honestly as a student in religions you have to agree that these 3 religions have the same roots and share many things ? To come back to the inital Washington Post article, if they accept prayers from chritistian and Jews, I don't see why they would not accept muslims too.

Astrapol2,

The roots of Judaism are Babylonian myth, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism. The roots of Christianity ancient Greek Roman myths. The roots of Islam are ancient tribal myths of the nomadic Arabs and Pythagorean speculation.

Tentmaker

Originally posted by Tentmaker
Astrapol2,

The roots of Judaism are Babylonian myth, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism. The roots of Christianity ancient Greek Roman myths. The roots of Islam are ancient tribal myths of the nomadic Arabs and Pythagorean speculation.

Tentmaker

I have read several books by theologist and I have NEVER heard such as this. As you liberals always say to me: give me proof.

Dave,

I am far from being a Liberal.

You want proof? You couldn't take the proof. The proof of the lie you believe would choke you to death.

Tentmaker

Oh good answer. You've sure convinced me!

I have read books by theologians with FAR more credibility than you, so I don't even begin to believe you over them.

Dave,

"I have read books by theologians with FAR more credibility than you,"
***

Sure you have. Your probbing questions are proof of it.

Tentmaker

Well, Dave, tentmaker is partly right. The influences of Zoroastrianism on Judaism, Greek civilization on chistianity and the myths of nomadic arabs on Islam are real. In fact in Zoroastrianism lays the roots of all these monotheist religions.
But the fact that, coming from different cultures and being born in various parts of the world, these three religions have been influenced by various older civilization and myths does not mean that they are not linked, for hebraism influenced both christianity and Islam ! They share the old testament and many prophets. Islam even recognizes Jesus as a major prophet (though not the messiah, of course - this is a major difference !)

"Mithras, God of the Morning, our trumpets waken the Wall!
Rome is above the Nations, but Thou art over all!"
Rudyard Kipling, British author and poet
A Song to Mithras


For over three hundred years the rulers of the Roman Empire worshipped the god Mithras. Known throughout Europe and Asia by the names Mithra, Mitra, Meitros, Mihr, Mehr, and Meher, the veneration of this god began some 4000 years ago in Persia, where it was soon imbedded with Babylonian doctrines. The faith spread east through India to China, and reached west throughout the entire length of the Roman frontier; from Scotland to the Sahara Desert, and from Spain to the Black Sea. Sites of Mithraic worship have been found in Britain, Italy, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkey, Persia, Armenia, Syria, Israel, and North Africa.

In Rome, more than a hundred inscriptions dedicated to Mithras have been found, in addition to 75 sculpture fragments, and a series of Mithraic temples situated in all parts of the city. One of the largest Mithraic temples built in Italy now lies under the present site of the Church of St. Clemente, near the Colosseum in Rome.

The widespread popularity and appeal of Mithraism as the final and most refined form of pre-Christian paganism was discussed by the Greek historian Herodotus, the Greek biographer Plutarch, the neoplatonic philosopher Porphyry, the Gnostic heretic Origen, and St. Jerome the church Father. Mithraism was quite often noted by many historians for its many astonishing similarities to Christianity.

The faithful referred to Mithras as "the Light of the World", symbol of truth, justice, and loyalty. He was mediator between heaven and earth and was a member of a Holy Trinity. According to Persian mythology, Mithras was born of a virgin given the title 'Mother of God'. The god remained celibate throughout his life, and valued self-control, renunciation and resistance to sensuality among his worshippers. Mithras represented a system of ethics in which brotherhood was encouraged in order to unify against the forces of evil.

The worshippers of Mithras held strong beliefs in a celestial heaven and an infernal hell. They believed that the benevolent powers of the god would sympathize with their suffering and grant them the final justice of immortality and eternal salvation in the world to come. They looked forward to a final day of judgement in which the dead would resurrect, and to a final conflict that would destroy the existing order of all things to bring about the triumph of light over darkness.

Purification through a ritualistic baptism was required of the faithful, who also took part in a ceremony in which they drank wine and ate bread to symbolize the body and blood of the god. Sundays were held sacred, and the birth of the god was celebrated annually on December the 25th. After the earthly mission of this god had been accomplished, he took part in a Last Supper with his companions before ascending to heaven, to forever protect the faithful from above.

However, it would be a vast oversimplification to suggest that Mithraism was the single forerunner of early Christianity. Aside from Christ and Mithras, there were plenty of other deities (such as Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, Balder, Attis, and Dionysus) said to have died and resurrected. Many classical heroic figures, such as Hercules, Perseus, and Theseus, were said to have been born through the union of a virgin mother and divine father. Virtually every pagan religious practice and festivity that couldn't be suppressed or driven underground was eventually incorporated into the rites of Christianity as it spread across Europe and throughout the world.

www.ukans.edu

If Christianity is, indeed, a revealed religion, then why is it made up almost entirely of Mithraism and Greek myth?

Tentmaker

Hesiod, the Homeric Hymns and Homerica
THE THEOGONY


(ll. 1-25) From the Heliconian Muses let us begin to sing, who
hold the great and holy mount of Helicon, and dance on soft feet
about the deep-blue spring and the altar of the almighty son of
Cronos, and, when they have washed their tender bodies in
Permessus or in the Horse's Spring or Olmeius, make their fair,
lovely dances upon highest Helicon and move with vigorous feet.
Thence they arise and go abroad by night, veiled in thick mist,
and utter their song with lovely voice, praising Zeus the aegis-
holder and queenly Hera of Argos who walks on golden sandals and
the daughter of Zeus the aegis-holder bright-eyed Athene, and
Phoebus Apollo, and Artemis who delights in arrows, and Poseidon
the earth-holder who shakes the earth, and reverend Themis and
quick-glancing (1) Aphrodite, and Hebe with the crown of gold,
and fair Dione, Leto, Iapetus, and Cronos the crafty counsellor,
Eos and great Helius and bright Selene, Earth too, and great
Oceanus, and dark Night, and the holy race of all the other
deathless ones that are for ever. And one day they taught Hesiod
glorious song while he was shepherding his lambs under holy
Helicon, and this word first the goddesses said to me -- the
Muses of Olympus, daughters of Zeus who holds the aegis:

(ll. 26-28) `Shepherds of the wilderness, wretched things of
shame, mere bellies, we know how to speak many false things as
though they were true; but we know, when we will, to utter true
things.'

Tell why the authors of the Synoptic Gospels borrowed so liberally from Homer and Hesiod? Where they, pewrchance, not on speaking terms with the god of their revealed religion?

Tentmaker

The first thing I would like to say is in regards to the original post, which is its a shame. Unfortunately, we live in a pro-Christian country. From the beginning, our laws were based on Christianity.
I don't know if you recall the woman who went after the town for a fish symbol. She won. She lost her business, her home, her children were terrorized and she was run out of town. So she may as well have lost.
I think that its unfortunate, and I wish that we lived in a different place or time but I think that you have to be really careful when going after something like this.

The next thing that I would like to address is the fact that yes, all three religions share the same God. The whole messiah thing came up because the Romans were closing in on the Jews. And there were a heck of a lot of messiah's stepping forward at the time. Somebody was coming to save them. (that is what the original deal was about- you worship me and I will kick some butt on your behalf)
Christians believe the Messiah has come and the war with Satan is pretty well over. Muslums believe that Jesus was a prophet and in fact mention him 3 times, but that the war with Satan is happening right now. In Judaism, the messiah has not come yet.
The last thing that I would like to address is that there truly is no difference between a God that will save his chosen people and kick butt( Judaism), the Christian army (God, apple pie, Chevy, baseball- achieved partially through things such as repetition of the things like the Pledge of Allegiance) and the Muslim Jihad. No difference.

Ok, the last thing: Yes, Christians borrowed extensively from the Platonists, who were trying at the time to take all religions and find the common denominator...... at least before they outlawed philosophy schools and shut them down. However, they did some great rearranging. The birth of Christ was originally celebrated on January 6, it was changed to December 25 which was the B-day of the Sol Invictus. Sunday was also just a trade off.

Pan,

Afraid to go on with the truth serum?

Sol Invictus was based on what religion?

Was not that religion transformed into that called Christianity?

Tentmaker

Tent,
Mithraism, anything else you need to know?

Oh wait, lets not forget the fact that we aren't dealing with one little christian group that "took over." We are dealing with several sects and one won.... and in the beginning they weren't ready to separate from Judaism. It took another 200 years for that to happen and by that point they just wanted to make it look like an unbroken chain. Which they have managed to do as succesfully as they wanted to. So do you need any more truth? Or is that enough for now?

Originally posted by Pandamonium
Tent,
Mithraism, anything else you need to know?
***

Pan,

Excellent answer.

Yes. There is one thing I need to know? Why is your Christian theology so confused?

Tentmaker

Trent,
I was wondering the same thing about you.

Obviously, mine is the correct version.

Pan,

It would being that your confused state is in a feedback loop.

Tentmaker

My disagreement could not be more complete. Muslims do not worship the same god as Christians and Jews. Any Muslim will tell you that Allah (al-lah) has no sons. In Christianity Jesus of the non-existing Nazarath is the Son of God. In Judaism there are numerous sons of Yahweh. Muslims say Christians and Jews are deluded. Christians and Jews call Muslims heretics.




Going back to the start with this post in mind, from you. Your argument is crap. You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about and it is quite evident. Your not bright, nor clever.
Because they call each other names doesn't hold water. Go do your homework, stay out of the fiction section, and try to stay as close to accuracy as possible.

Now, either think of something intelligent to say or talk to someone else, your ignorance is boring the hell out of me.

Pan(brainless),

Your stupidity knows no limits:

1. "Jihad is a religious duty imposed by Muslim law for the spread of Islam ... Believers are under obligation to wage war against all unbelievers" (Encyclopedia Britannica).

2. Muhammad said, "The best deed of man is to believe in Allah and his apostle ... The second best deed is to participate in Jihad in Allah's cause" (Hadith, Volume 125).

3. "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. Seize them. Beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them" (Qur'an, Surah 9:5).

4. "Fight them. Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace" (Qur'an, Surah 9:15).

5. "O' ye that believe, take not Jews and Christians as your friends and protectors" (Qur'an, Surah 5:54).

6. "Fight with them until there is no more persecution. Religion should only be for Allah" (Qur'an, Surah 8:39).

7. "The punishment for those who war against Islam is execution or crucifixion. Cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides" (Qur'an, Surah 5:36).

8. The Qur'an teaches that the world exists in two parts, Islam versus the infidels. Muslims are to forcibly convert all people.

9. Muhammad said, "The last hour will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them" (Mishkat, page 147).

Tentmaker

Qu'ran, 60:8
God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.

Of racism:
Qur'an, 49:13
O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female and have made you into nations and tribes for you to know one another. Truly, God is All-knowing, All-Aware.

Hey, can we break out the bible yet..... we could do this all day.

I would like to point out the obvious, which is that the Bible, starting with just the New Testament, also speaks of Christians avoiding all others and that they would also have to be against all others........ or did you somehow forget this small part?

Then when you look in the O.T. you have the chosen people with the very same message and why is that? Because that was the original deal.... remember? The whole covenant w/ the "Lord"? The God of Abraham? Follow me and I will kick butt for you.....
Sure your not a bible thumper? You just want to pull verses out of context. I can do that to. I know how.

I know where your getting off track....... you need to step back off the texts and start looking at what was happening at specific time periods. If your arguments are all based on the texts as is.... rather than what was actually happening at the time, you have just sunk to the same level of someone who argues that those texts are the only truth. That makes this almost sad.

Pan(brainless),

So your contention is that the Sahih Bukhari translations are invalid? Interesting.

Tentmaker

Here, I am going to write slowly for you. I am telling you take your idiotic numnut butt down to your local library and start checking out books that deal with history. History only. This way you will be more accurate because you will have a better understanding.
And the next time you attempt to engage in a religious debate you might actually sound like you know what your talking about. :D

Pan(brainless),

Even though your mindless and genetic crudity weighs heavily on your post, you do make an interesting suggestion. Perhaps, I shall re-visit my own library of some 12,000 volumes. I think there may be a tome or two on history in it.

But in all honesty, I still think my years as a seminarian at a fairly well known and highly respected religious institution prepared me rather well in the area of history. However, I could be mistaken.

Tentmaker

I think your full of crapola. But you can call it mistaken if you like.

Nice try though. You do spend quite a bit of time talking but you don't say a damn thing.

Pan(brainless),

Those without ears cannot hear; those without eyes cannot see; those without a brain cannot know.

He who is nothing can receive nothing though the universal vault of wisdom be ope to him.

You have been conditioned by the wretched culture of your time. Thus are you not expected to see, hear, or understand.

Tentmaker

Aw.. my little jackoff has returned w/ more...... drivel.
But seriously, have you taken your meds today?

Originally posted by Pandamonium
Aw.. my little jackoff has returned w/ more...... drivel.
But seriously, have you taken your meds today?
***

Pan, your relatives are gathered.


http://www.tommythamat.com/hillbillies/images/hillbillyfestival.jpg


Tentmaker

Originally posted by Tentmaker
Astrapol2,

The roots of Judaism are Babylonian myth, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism. The roots of Christianity ancient Greek Roman myths. The roots of Islam are ancient tribal myths of the nomadic Arabs and Pythagorean speculation.

Tentmaker

I don't think this quote is true. I've read articles documenting remarkable similarities between Christianity and Hinduism. I did a search for "Christianity Hinduism similarities" and here's the first page that came up (there were many):
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christianity's_similarities_with_hinduism.htm

Feel free to explore the idea yourself, although I'm suprised someone claiming such profound knowledge of the subject is unaware of such undeniable similarities.

Leper,

Why would I wish to deny the amazing likeness of Christianity and Hinduism? The teachings of the ancient Aryans permeated just about every society and culture of the day. I've been writing on these things for many a year.

Your accusation is that of a novice. Till you are conversant with the myths, beginning with the Aryans and Sumerians and ending with the Greeks and Romans, the Celts and Wicca, then you are ill-suited to challenge anyone.

I try not to talk over people's heads. Its not a practice conducive to communication.

I think one can find similarities between most religions. But as regard to historic links, the roots of the main monotheist religions (judaism, then christianity and islam) lay in Zoroastrianism according to the (rather academic) books I have read.

Astrapol2,

Only a foundational principle of Judaism has its root in

Zoroastrianism. That is, the Judaism based on the Torah. The Judaism

based on Talmudic principles has its roots in Babylonian myth.


Christianity is a blending of myth of Homer and Hesiod, of Talmudic

Judaism, and Eastern theologies (Hinduism and Buddhism).


Islam is, perhaps, the greatest of the religious lies. Its roots lie

in the myths of the nomadic Arab tribes. The basic beliefs common to

those tribes were incorporated and given credence by linking to

biblical Judaism.


Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are no mono-the-istic religions.

Their teachings make no pretense of being monotheism.

Tent,

Hmmm...unless you're blatantly contradicting yourself, it seems I misunderstood this sentence you wrote: "The roots of Christianity ancient Greek Roman myths." Clearly there's some sort of typo here.

Btw, this is just a ridiculous statement: "Till you are conversant with the myths, beginning with the Aryans and Sumerians and ending with the Greeks and Romans, the Celts and Wicca, then you are ill-suited to challenge anyone." Basically, you're saying anyone who hasn't wasted their life studying myths shouldn't discuss the origins of Christianity. Kindof like saying, if youhaven't spent 30 years playing sports, then you can't argue balls and strikes in baseball. Ridiculous.

Leper,

You don't know enough about the subject material to even offer an opinion on it. Till you have a basic grounding in myth and religion, why trouble yourself?

The roots of Christianity as presented in the Synoptic Gospels do lie in Greek and Roman myth, i.e., Homer and Hesiod. St. Luke was a student of myth and borrowed extensively from them in the creating of Christianity. Matthew and John followed his lead, though John dipped liberally into Gnosticism. St Mark seems to have been an admirer of the Essenes.

Your last paragraph is one of ignorance. You are trying to make calls in a game of which you apparently know nothing.

Astopol's comment:

"My comment was not ironical (for once) ! I really appreciated your post.

But honestly as a student in religions you have to agree that these 3 religions have the same roots and share many things ? To come back to the inital Washington Post article, if they accept prayers from chritistian and Jews, I don't see why they would not accept muslims too."

Tentmaker's response:
__________________

"Astrapol2,

The roots of Judaism are Babylonian myth, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism. The roots of Christianity ancient Greek Roman myths. The roots of Islam are ancient tribal myths of the nomadic Arabs and Pythagorean speculation.

Tentmaker"


__________________


Tentmaker,

Remember this exchange? This is why I'm troubling myself. Your response is clearly designed to represent that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have different roots to someone who submits to your expertise. Now you concede and, at the same time, call me ignorant for pointing out that Christianity has roots in Hinduism as well. Basically, you're misrepresenting facts simply to further your argument, a far greater sin than ignorance ever was in my book.

And you say I know nothing while reinforcing that I was correct in saying that Christianity has roots in Hinduism. How many times are you going to contradict yourself before you admit you made a mistake?

I mis-represent nothing. What I have no intention of doing is writing a book setting forth the inter-connections of the so-called monotheistic religions for people who have no conception of what is being posted.

Your ignorance leads you to assume that a tree (religion, philosophy, ideology, etc) have has but one root.

I mis-represent nothing. What I have no intention of doing is writing a book setting forth the inter-connections of the so-called monotheistic religions for people who have no conception of what is being posted.

Your ignorance leads you to assume that a tree (religion, philosophy, ideology, etc) have but one root.