Powerful stuff

http://www.mutterati.com/neverforget.html

Dop

No takers from the right on this one?

Can't blame ya -- hard to defend the fact america is now the most hated and embarrassed country in the world.

Dop

Your posts should be relegated to the hall of shaman.

Havok - you don't decide what I get to say ... borg does that (and the 1st ammendment.)

Sounds to me like the truth hurts.

Dop

yawn. bush = hitler. Bush is a demon sent from hell to start the apocalypse. He hates everyone and wants all non christians to die. yeah, like i havent heard any of this before.

I think this might have been one of the rejected john kerry ads.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Powerful stuff

http://www.mutterati.com/neverforget.html

Dop

Good post , Dop.

Very clearly highlights the current crop of ConservaFascists and their anti-human agenda.

Many of the pronouncements Bush gets up on the national stage and makes in order to stir up the mindless herd are virtual quotes of things Hitler said to incite his supporters to carry out a Holocaust against the "bad" people.

For Hitler and his Nazis, the "bad" people were the Jews and gypsies.

For BushCo and the Religious Right, the "bad" people are the evil wrong-god Muslims and the homosexuals.

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The dictionary describes Fascism as -- "a political philosophy or regime characterized by dictatorial or one party rule, regimentation of industry and commerce, forcible suppression of opposition and criticism, emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism". If there exists a more precise description of the current Conservative regime in this country, I have not heard it.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
yawn. bush = hitler. Bush is a demon sent from hell to start the apocalypse. He hates everyone and wants all non christians to die.
Nahhhhhhhhhh........you must be thinking of Alberto's Inquisition-exercises.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Ewizardofwhimsy/torquegonzales.jpg

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
No takers from the right on this one?

Can't blame ya -- hard to defend the fact america is now the most hated and embarrassed country in the world.

Dop

A "country" can't be embarassed, only individuals can. My country doesn't embarass me.

The irony of that film is that it relies so heavily on the holocaust. When the holocaust is invoked on these threads, the ONLY people who don't see it as relevant or are tired of hearing about it are on the left (I'm not saying all of you). So the only time the suffering of those poor souls matters is when it can be used against the administration.

Yea... this is really digging deep.....

First off, war is an ugly thing. Its not good that people have to die. Obviously Shaman doesnt know this.

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
hard to defend the fact america is now the most hated and embarrassed country in the world.

that is a fact? I think it is a way for you far lefties to "get back" at Bush for winning the election. Think about it, if Bush had lost would you be reaming Kerry? million bucks says you'd be praising america LOL. But that is laughable that you would say that is a fact.

Originally posted by FreeThinker
For BushCo and the Religious Right, the "bad" people are the evil wrong-god Muslims and the homosexuals.

I dont think so, i can tell you this much. We don't like the muslims who fly airplanes into our buildings and kill our citizens, and we dont like the muslims who set off car bombs and conduct terrorism in the middle east. It has nothing to do with their religion, it has everything to do with their acts IMO. Its so fitting that you would accept that just because we are going after muslims who attack us, it must be that we hate them and their religion.... wrong junior.

Originally posted by FreeThinker
Many of the pronouncements Bush gets up on the national stage and makes in order to stir up the mindless herd are virtual quotes of things Hitler said to incite his supporters to carry out a Holocaust against the "bad" people.

Actually, besides hitler's whole "kill millions of jews and love doing it" spree and his "white power" egoism..... he was actually a very capable political leader. I bet almost every leader of every nation has alot in common with hitler.... except for the whole holocaust thing.......lol. But its so fitting that you would just point out bush.

Anyone catch bush's use of the word uber in his SS talk?

He's not even trying to hide the nazism.

Dop

Originally posted by Decka
Yea... this is really digging deep.....

First off, war is an ugly thing. Its not good that people have to die. Obviously Shaman doesnt know this.



How would you know war is an ugly thing? You been there?

How do you know it was muslims that flew the planes into the towers? Rush tell you that or are you taking the word of Colin Powell who just last week admited to lieing to the UN?

Get some proof and stop back.

Dop

I think it is generally understood that war is ugly.

and dop i think you're starting to go off the deep end with this conspiracy stuff.

oh and finally: KILL ALL HUMANS!

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

How do you know it was muslims that flew the planes into the towers?

Dop

That's right, I remember Dopguerillafree saying it was the Mossad. As usual, the Jews.

As an aside, has anyone ever been able to confirm some of those quotes attributed to Bush? Especially the "God told me to attack Iraq so I did" one. I'm not saying he did and I'm not saying he didn't - I'd just like to see a quote from Newsweek instead of tvnewslies.

It has to be true, Shamanfreeguerilladop found it on a website.

Your posts should be relegated to the hall of shaman.

LOL!!!

ummmm how about Al Quaida took credit for it a few hours after it happened..... 9-11 im talking about.

that might be a good hint.

Yeah sure and just what does an al queada look like when I see one?

You are seriously naive.

Dop

i would have to say like someone from Afghanistan. There are probably some who arent, but considering that Afghanistan was their home base, yeah, ill have to go with that.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
i would have to say like someone from Afghanistan. There are probably some who arent, but considering that Afghanistan was their home base, yeah, ill have to go with that.
Please be kidding...please be kidding...

Ive never seen an Al Quaida member that wasn't of middle eastern desent......

Originally posted by Evil Homer
i would have to say like someone from Afghanistan. There are probably some who arent, but considering that Afghanistan was their home base, yeah, ill have to go with that.
Most al Qaeda members are Arabs, not Afghans. Their base was in Afghanistan because they were given refuge by the Taliban, and also because many of them were still there after fighting against the Soviets.

Originally posted by Decka
Ive never seen an Al Quaida member that wasn't of middle eastern desent......
Richard Reid (British descent), Jose Padilla (Puerto Rican descent), Ahmed Khalafan Ghailani (Tanzanian descent) to name a few. It's true that most al Qaeda are of Middle Eastern descent, but if that's the only characteristic we're looking for then we're in trouble.

so everyone that looks like an arab or like their from afghanistan is al quida?

Why do we need homeland security, fti, cia and intel ... you guys have it all solved. We should just go and kill all those people ... wait a minute ... we are...

Dop

Originally posted by LionelHutz
As an aside, has anyone ever been able to confirm some of those quotes attributed to Bush?

Is that a "no" then?

They're all over the web ... google it.

Dop

I didn't say that all of them looked like that. I just said that Afghanistan might be a good place to start looking. If you heard of violent KKK activities, not all of their members are from the south, but that might be a good place to start looking for them.

Oh, also, I had just noticed this, for the general knowlege of everyone; someone can not look Muslim. That refers to their religious oreintation, but someone can look Arab.

Post-it note to Lionel

A while back I promised to find a link to the hump belly plane ... remember?

Well, here's one that the white house missed while trying to scrub all this info from the web.

http://www.letsroll911.org/part2.html

Now, being an open minded person, I offer a pointer to the best I've seen contradicting this conspiracy theory. It's not a link but it does a good job so it's worth note...

While at Sky Harbor airport (Phoenix) this morning waiting for my flight to San Diego, on the magazine rack I find the March issue of Popular Mechanics. Go to page 72. It's actually a good read that tries to debunk the hump belly plane.

Sorry, I'm not going to buy the magazine for you.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
They're all over the web ... google it.

Yeah, but it's almost all anti-Bush sites quoting it.

Anyway, as near as I can tell from reputable sites, there are no direct quotes of him saying either of those things, but it does seem like he said something similar to someone.

The "God wants me to run for President" quote was actually "I feel like God wants me to run for President" which isn't quite the same, but close enough. I guess the difference would be "God chose me" vs. "I feel like God has chosen me." Supposedly he said that to some evangelist, who then reported it. This seems to be backed up by enough legit sources.

The "God told me to strike Al Queada, so I did, God told me to strike Saddam, so I did" quote was reported in the Ha'aretz newspaper in Israel, which is supposedly a legit newspaper. The quote was from Mahmoud Abbas, who was repeating what Bush told him in private. One paper pointed out that Bush doesn't speak Arabic and Abbas doesn't speak English, so there's a lot of room for misinterpretation there, but whatever Bush said couldn't have been too far away from Abbas' quote, assuming Abbas isn't lying, and there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he was. Whether Bush brought God into it or not I guess no one really knows except Abbas, who may not be entirely sure himself.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Post-it note to Lionel

A while back I promised to find a link to the hump belly plane ... remember?

Well, here's one that the white house missed while trying to scrub all this info from the web.

http://www.letsroll911.org/part2.html

Cool thanks. I dunno, it still just looks like the wing root to me. It's pretty big, especially when you look at this picture:

767 (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=790385&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20767-323%2FRE&WdsYXMg=Nzrevpna%20Nveyvarf&QtODMg=Mhevpu%20%28-%20Xybgra%29%20%28MEU%20%2F%20YFMU%29&ERDLTkt=Fjvgmreynaq&ktODMp=Sroehnel%2017%2C%202005&BP=0&WNEb25u=Snovna%20Tlfry&xsIERvdWdsY=A366NN&MgTUQtODMgKE=Nf%20gur%20pb-cvybg%20vf%20gnxvat%20bss%2C%20gur%20pncgnva%20-%20oyvaqrq%20ol%20gur%20yvtug%20-%20frrzf%20gb%20or%20ybbxvat%20evtug%20ng%20zr%21% 20Nyfb%20abgr%20gur%20ornhgvshy%20wrgoynfg%20naq%2 0gur%20terng%20ersyrpgvbaf.%20Vs%20bayl%20gur%20jb hyq%20fraq%20va%20gurve%20njrfbzr%20G7f%21&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=78&NEb25uZWxs=2005-03-06%2022%3A02%3A55&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20YVXR%20%27Obr vat%20767%25%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QR FP&photo_nr=12&prev_id=790427&next_id=790342&size=M)

Some planes have even bigger wing root boxes:

Cessna Citation X (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=783364&WxsIERv=Prffan%20750%20Pvgngvba%20K&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fpbggfqnyr%20%28-%20Zhavpvcny%29%20%28FPS%20%2F%20FQY%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Nevmban&ktODMp=Sroehnel%2013%2C%202005&BP=0&WNEb25u=Gvz%20Ynpuraznvre&xsIERvdWdsY=A99OO&MgTUQtODMgKE=Ybir%20gung%20cnvag%20wbo%21%20%3E%3E Pnaba%20300Q%3B%20100-400zz%3C%3C&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=1268&NEb25uZWxs=2005-02-24%2019%3A34%3A23&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=750-0005&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27Prff an%20750%20Pvgngvba%20K%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cu bgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=8&prev_id=783366&next_id=783314&size=M)

I'm not quite sure what that website is even arguing - on one hand they seem to be saying that the plane shot a missile at the WTC right before impact, but then the pictures they show seem to be saying that the missile hit the plane itself?

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread too much.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
so everyone that looks like an arab or like their from afghanistan is al quida?


no! noone said that.... how you got that out of what i said is ridiculous... geez you sure do like to spin dont ya

Hey too bad congress used the black ops beheading of Nick Berg as an excuse to not release all the other photos of the atrocities being commited in Iraq. Child rape, rape with foreign objects, Rape, Murder, torure etc etc.... They said that it would piss people off and bring our troops to undue harm...What happned to personal responsibility?

Sigh Dop - the Pod theory is complete crap and meant to discredit what actually happened.


Heres a little Anti-Nazi propaganda poster the US put out to show how horrible they were treating people. Look familiar? http://www.internationalposter.com/vintage_poster/anti_nazi_poster.htm

BTW - the guy who wrote the "debunking" article for PM is Ben Chertoff, none other than the cousin of Michael Chertoff the new head of the department of motherland security.

nepotism loves company...

Originally posted by Decka
no! noone said that.... how you got that out of what i said is ridiculous... geez you sure do like to spin dont ya

Then I'll ask the question again ... how do I know an Al-Quida when I see one? Has anyone ever seen one? Who? What did that person look like? Dunno? Then how do we know we're killing Al-Quidas if we don't know what they look like? If we kill enough arabs can we safely say we killed some Al-Quidas?

C'mon all you wingers ... tell me what this enemy looks like and how to spot one.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
C'mon all you wingers ... tell me what this enemy looks like and how to spot one.

Dop

Wish i could dop...

But all of the ones that have made statements on a videotape and all the ones i see on TV are of middle eastern decent.....

I can hear it now..... DOP: "oohhhh just because its on TV you follow it like sheep blah blah blah"..... well, no. I never said that if you are an Al Quaida you are middle eastern, but you have to agree with me that a very high percentage of them are.

Unlike other people..i see no problem with giving more attention to a stereotype. I have said time and time again that if an american terrorist flew a plane into the eiffle tower, and i went to france, i would EXPECT to be looked at more, searched, whatever. So if most Al Quaida and terrorists that are trying to kill us ARE of middle eastern decent, i dont see a problem with giving them more attention.... hey, if they are innocent, what do they have to hide?

Originally posted by Decka
So if most Al Quaida and terrorists that are trying to kill us ARE of middle eastern decent, i dont see a problem with giving them more attention.... hey, if they are innocent, what do they have to hide? They already are given more attention, sometimes more than is necessary. Not that it's done any good, considering that the last two al Qaeda plots uncovered were to be carried out by a Brit and a Puerto Rican.